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HPV: Abstinence preferable to vaccination

Letter by Ralph W. Emerson, Tacoma on Oct. 31, 2011 at 11:30 am with 26 Comments »
October 31, 2011 11:31 am

Re: “Federal panel endorses HPV vaccine for boys” (TNT, 10-26).

In the sincere concern and effort that goes to protect our precious children, we often overlook the real causes of their difficulties.

Drugs to prevent sexually transmitted disease in youngsters don’t get at the cause of the trouble. Mary Baker Eddy states, in her book” Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures,” that “Chastity is the cement of civilization and progress. Without it there is no stability in society, and without it one cannot attain the Science of Life.”

The stability of our society seems to be going to the dogs. Teen pregnancy, drug addiction, the highest rate of imprisonment in the world, drunkenness, a 50% divorce rate, crime so rampant parents can no longer let their children out of sight, a child in the US dying every five hours from neglect or abuse – the list goes on. Sexual abstinence leading to stable families is of vital importance. It’s the glue that holds society together

Eddy also says, “Children should obey their parents; insubordination is an evil, blighting the buddings of self-government. Parents should teach their children at the earliest possible period the truths of health and holiness. Children are more tractable than adults, and learn more readily to love the simple verities that will make them happy and good.”

If we can follow such guidelines as Eddy suggests, we won’t have to be drugging 11-year-old boys against STDs.

Leave a comment Comments → 26
  1. surething says:

    Be realistic.

  2. LarryFine says:

    Prepare to be attacked Ralph.

  3. bedtime4bozos says:

    Ralph – there are many that would disagree. I’m one. If abstinence worked, Bristol Palin wouldn’t be famous. I’m sure you didn’t expect the entire readership of the Trib to agree did you?

  4. LarryFine says:

    Kard… Bristol wasn’t abstinent === eye roll === .

  5. leehallfae says:

    Oh my gosh. People, if you are able, remove Sexual Activity from the equation and think of this as similar to preventing polio.

    Viruses are not picky about where they land. Maybe it will take some Species Jumping to get the attention of some humans. Think Ebola Ziare air borne.

  6. Voltaire says:

    Bristol Palin wasn’t abstinent. Abstinence traing failed

  7. Sexual abstinence is a great ideal, like always telling the truth and praying for peace.

    However, we are humans, and vaccinations, condoms and other messy necessities are more realistic, practical and responsible when we act like the humans we are, as are strong armies when prayer doesn’t keep the enemy at bay.

  8. Looktheresanother1 says:

    didn’t Bristol’s mom teach her about abstinence?

  9. “Chastity is the cement of civilization and progress. Without it there is no stability in society, and without it one cannot attain the Science of Life.”

    Not sure what the “Science of Life” is……but, if we all practiced Chastity perfectly, there would be no more new life.

  10. Do not expect people to take you seriously in a culture that insists you abstain from fat, sugar tobacco (weed excepted) while it also insists one cannot possible restrain himself sexually. That’s the sort of “realism” you’ll get from mainstream culture.

  11. old_benjamin says:

    Who says Bristols’s mom taught her about abstinence?

  12. a culture that insists you abstain from fat, sugar tobacco (weed excepted)

    The obesity and smoking rates clearly demonstrate that abstinence training doesn’t work for fat, sugar and tobacco, why do you think it should work against sexual urges?

    btw – “weed” is still illegal while high fat, high sugar foods and tobacco are legal so your generalization doesn’t really stand up to reality.

  13. aislander says:

    Sexual activity isn’t illegal, either, beerBoy, but responsibility is something that a culture should enforce in other ways. We see those other ways in action with respect to high-fat, high-sugar foods, tobacco use (although the law is more and more involved in that).

    Unfortunately, the law debars society’s enforcement of cultural norms in many cases…

  14. A study by Janet Elise Rosenbaum, PhD, AM (Patient Teenagers? A Comparison of the Sexual Behavior of Virginity Pledgers and Matched Nonpledgers, PEDIATRICS Vol. 123 No. 1 January 2009) found that teens who pledge to abstain from sex have just as much sex as those who don’t, and that those who pledge not to have sex until marriage don’t wait longer to have sex than those who don’t make that pledge.

    Pledgers did not differ in number of lifetime sexual partners and age of first sex. Fewer pledgers than matched nonpledgers used birth control and condoms in the past year and birth control at last sex. Pledgers had a slightly higher rate of pre-marital pregnancies.

  15. Asilander,
    Name one law the debars society’s enforcement of cultural norms.

  16. twentymuLeteamhas1more says:

    good point. from what we’ve heard Bristol’s mom was too busy with Taco Bell to teach abstinence

  17. itwasntmethistime says:

    leehallfae — You’re not suggesting that HPV will soon mutate so that it is spread without contact? Did your Mama tell you that you could get pregnant kissing in a bathing suit?

  18. Any attempts to require a vaccine for an STD should be resisted.

    However, abstinence education has been proven ineffective.

    This, is now way, suggests that abstinence is not a good way to avoid STDs. But, as public policy, it makes no sense.

  19. took14theteam says:

    “If abstinence worked, Bristol Palin wouldn’t be famous.”

    Seriously Kard/ehill/sharkie/snail/lefty et al.

    Your favorite whipping girl is gonna give you away…. Did you get a spanking from the TNT last week?

    I don’t have a problem with vaccinations if they are voluntary. Never hurts to protect yourself from the evils out there if you might/will succumb to the temptations of the flesh, which we all do.

  20. LarryFine says:

    LMAO @ voltnos/bednosehillnos/etc. … … … … … …

  21. sandblower says:

    So Ralph, what’s the plan that will negate the need for the vaccine? You can make millions here.

  22. I’ve always thought the pledge thing was pretty flimsy, but I HAVE known many kids who have made the choice to wait to have sex until marriage. This is anecdotal evidence of course. I have no statistics, but the presumption that young people are incapable of restraint is very insulting and, frankly, unrealistic.

    My primary problem with sex ed as it’s currently handled in the schools, is that they operate from this presumption. I also have a problem with all the ways schools permit parents to abdicate personal responsibility for parenting their children. The system as it works now presumes that kids have no self-control and their parents are too stupid to do their jobs.

    Sound like a slave plantation? It does to me.

  23. sozo, A reputable study was done, as I pointed out in my post above. There are other studies with fewer subjects and not as rigorous peer review as the one I cited that all come to the same conclusion. Abstinence pledges do npot lower the rate of pre-marital sex among those who take them compared with those who do not.

    The rate of unwed pregnancies was dropping significantly until 1996 when it started rising again at a fairly high rate. Coincidentally, (or maybe not) abstinence-only sex ed started being implemented in schools across the nation after pressure from Evangelical Christians in 1996. No study has shown a cause and effect. It ios just an interesting phenomenon right now.

    I think sex ed that presents options with information about cause and effect as well as prevention methods is the best way to provide guidance, especially in light of cold hard facts from studies that show that 95% of all people in America have had pre-marital sex of a type that may cause pregnancies or STD’s by age 20. With those facts, I think it is safe to assume that we need to teach at least some of our high school students effective methods of prevention.

    The decision to abstain on religious or moral grounds should be taught at home and in churches. I have no problems with families and groups, even including schools honoring children and teens who make such decisions and pledges.

    However, the facts about pregnancies and STD’s and how to prevent them should be given at school because we live in the real world and we are trying to prevent the burden on society of unwanted children, uneducated workers, medical treatment costs, etc. The real world doeswn’t necessarily mean we are on a slave plantatioin or that parents are stupid. It does mean that abstinence pledges have been shown not to work, abstinence-only education ahs been shown not to work, that people are human, not perfect, and temptations are often too hard to resist for manhy.

    Information should include the fact that total abstinence will be the safest decision, that “playing around” even without penetration can still cause pregnancies and STD’s, depending on the nature of the activity, and intercourse is even more likely to cause problems, plus, as I said, ways to prevent serious consequences.

    As much as you would like them to be, high school students are not the “slaves” of their church or their parents, either, and will make their own decisions, and some of those decisions will be unwise. The worse thing we can do is to have them make decisions out of ignorance.

  24. “Information should include the fact that total abstinence will be the safest decision, that “playing around” even without penetration can still cause pregnancies and STD’s, depending on the nature of the activity, and intercourse is even more likely to cause problems, plus, as I said, ways to prevent serious consequences.”

    I won’t argue with this tuddo. I understand the world we live in today. It’s never been easy to wait, and now that it’s considered old-fashioned and virtually impossible, even kids with the best intentions need to have all the facts.

    The plantation metaphor was more generalized. As you know from previous conversations we’ve had, I am disillusioned by the ever-growing involvement of government in private lives and the eventual dependence folks will have ON government to solve all their problems. I’d like to see people take back their right to think and make decisions for themselves and their families. That’s all.

  25. sozo, I can’t argue with you on most of your statement. Education and information is the key to making good decisions. I didn’t even mind the experiements with abstinence-only educational efforts I wish they had proved me wrong when I speculated it was a dangerous thing to do. Sometimes we have to experiment with people in real situations to find out if something works. Parents who wanted to teach their children about STDs and condoms had every right to do so.

    Also, it was instituted by “we the people” who are the government (I think Tea Partiers and others forget that sometimes. When they attack “the government” they are really attacking “we the people”).

    If abstinence-only education is imposed in the schools now, however, when we know that it is not effective and may even be harmful to society, then I would say that government is imposing inappropriately in our private lives. It is censoring sound scientific knowledge and keeping it away from people needing to make decisions.

    Now that we’ve had our little experiment that shows abstinence-only education doesn’t work, we need to provide information based on sound science. In every school district I have known about, sex-ed is optional and parents can choose to keep their kids ignorant or teach them themselves. That is not imposing government into private lives and there is no need to “take back their right to think”, since they’ve had it all the time.

  26. “That is not imposing government into private lives and there is no need to “take back their right to think”, since they’ve had it all the time.”

    Please note tuddo, that I fault the people, parents in particular, for abdicating their role in making the republic work as it was intended.
    Far too many have preferred to have the government dictate and define; far too many have permitted things to go on at school without ever questioning any of it. The result is a PC-compliant, hedonistic, self-serving generation…and much of it was spawned by their parents who moved in that direction in the 60’s. Flower children indeed.

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