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GAY RIGHTS: Why appease the Christian gay bashers?

Letter by Laura Billington, Maple Valley on Oct. 14, 2011 at 11:52 am with 38 Comments »
October 14, 2011 12:17 pm

Re: “Lacey woman to receive presidential honor” (TNT, 10-14).

The News Tribune ran an article about prostate cancer. It didn’t include a statement from a local Christian Science practitioner about how disease has nothing to do with viruses and bacteria but results from a lack of grace.

The article about Clarence Alford, who founded a group to encourage black students to succeed in school, didn’t have any quotes from the Washington chapter of the Ku Klux Klan.

The writer of the article about the platelet shortage in Idaho spoke to someone from the Red Cross. He didn’t follow it up with a trip to Kingdom Hall to score an interview with a Jehovah’s Witness elder.

But every story which tells of an advance in gay rights, or which honors someone who fought for equality for all people, has to contain the obligatory unpleasantry from some Christian “leader” who thinks discrimination against gays is just peachy keen – in fact, that God wants it that way.

What’s wrong with this picture?


Leave a comment Comments → 38
  1. What in world are you talking about? I fear you are attempting to make something out of nothing.

    For the record, that you would equate the Christian clergy with leaders of the Klan says more about you perhaps, that you want to actually disclose.

  2. Let me help, Laura…since it appears that some readers are too lazy to click the link to see the comment of which you refer…

    Gary Randall of the Faith & Freedom Network, who helped lead the campaign to repeal R-71’ s provisions, commented in an email: “ I think people should be able to visit and help those whom they love in any crises. That is a Christian principle. However redefining natural marriage, a corner stone in every civilization for the past 5000 years, is not the proper way to address that and similar needs.”

    Now…that being posted….I can’t agree more, Laura. Seeking that quote was a stretch of “investigative journalism”. Don’t expect those that are apologists for biogoted behavior to attempt to comprehend your analogies.

    As to Christian clergy and the KKK….some try to cover up that the KKK touts Christianity and members did come from the clergy. Some think that if you just deny it….it’s not factual.

    Four years ago, Tony Perkins addressed the Louisiana chapter of the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), America’s premier white supremacist organization, the successor to the White Citizens Councils, which battled integration in the South. In 1996 Perkins paid former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke $82,500 for his mailing list. At the time, Perkins was the campaign manager for a right-wing Republican candidate for the US Senate in Louisiana. The Federal Election Commission fined the campaign Perkins ran $3,000 for attempting to hide the money paid to Duke.

    Nope….there’s no connection.

  3. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Kard and his problem with race somehow finds it’s way on every thread. Kard- Go get help. You have a fear of race, women, and Christianity that screams that you need professional counseling. You will not find it on a community newspaper’s blog.

  4. SadujTogracse says:

    Good question, what does race have to do with this thread? Oh yeah, we weren’t the ones who brought up the KKK (eyeroll)

  5. For the slow learners….

    The letter writer used analogies.

    Analogy is a cognitive process of transferring information or meaning from a particular subject (the analogue or source) to another particular subject (the target), and a linguistic expression corresponding to such a process.

    I’m sure I lost you, but you can look up the big words on the screen in front of your nose.

  6. SadujTogracse says:

    Blabbing? Moi? No snails here, not a fan of gastropods.

  7. AlabamaGeorge says:

    Interesting new format. The bold jumps off the screen.

    The author of the letter used the Ku Klux Klan as an example of a source that would have nothing to do with a story on the success of black students. True, it would have nothing to do with the subject.

    I cannot see the reason to quote an anti-gay Christian for a story such as the letter author referred.

    I wonder why people would be so defensive over a literary example.

  8. theglovesRoff says:

    The letter was a bunch of babbling crap, yet karnitos was there to defend it.

    Isn’t it time to hug your Casio keyboard?

    And what happened to the letter about Remann Hall? Did karnitos blow that one up?

    Welcome back backwards snail! If that is you….

  9. bobcat1a says:

    “I wonder why people would be so defensive over a literary example.”
    Answer: Inadequate reading comprehension skills.

  10. Hmmm…the new format won’t allow you to post a link to another letter.

    I guess Roff will have to find the Remann Hall letter on her own.

    It seems her reading comprehension skills and her ability to find letters on the site are equally match

    Greeting yourself? creepy

  11. SadujTogracse says:

    Thank you theglovesroff! I can’t remember when I was here last, wanted to check out the new format! Pay no attention to you-know-who, his paranoia is getting the better of him again. I guess I’m supposed to be you and everyone else who disagress with him, LOL!

  12. I can’t remember when I was here last, wanted to check out the new format!

    I’m confused…..if you came here to check out the new format, how did you know there was a new format – as soon as there was a new format?

  13. beerboy…in case you didn’t know…and you do….Roff is Saduj and vice versa. It is now talking to itself

  14. OH…AND BOTH are the name that shall not be mentioned on the TNT forum (try posting it and your comment is deleted)


  15. SadujTogracse says:

    beerboy, I still read the comments from time to time but I just haven’t posted until yesterday.

    And no I am not “Roff”, but I am the name that shall not be mentioned. I have no reason to lie.

  16. :::::::eyeroll:::::::

  17. monmornQB says:

    This letter is a joke right? Oh that’s right, people really think that hate is the message Jesus brought to us.

  18. monmornQB….The “Jesus Message” has been contaminated for millenia

    Consider the Army of God who think that Jesus would want them to kill doctors and bomb clinics and innocent people.

    That is but one example of many

  19. I know dipping beneath the surface is difficult for you, Kard, but try.
    Yes, the KKK (as well as Hitler) attempted to co-opt Christianity for their evil purposes. It happens. It’s ugly, and it has nothing to do with the larger community of faith known as Christians.

    If you are willing to recgognize that Al Qaeda does not represent the totality of Islam, you must (assuming you have intellectual integrity which is a big assumption) recognize that KKK does not represent Christianity. See how that works?

  20. theglovesRoff says:

    Sorry Kard, I am not Saduj, but it does flatter me that you think that.

    I did see that Saduj busted into your special blog a few weeks ago, that was pretty funny. But now that the format has changed, there is no more voyeurism on the blog.

  21. SadujTogracse says:

    Gloves, you notice that huh? Now that the blog is private again all I have to say is MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!

  22. theglovesRoff says:

    Not that anyone cares, but I am done with this forum because of the new format. I can’t go back in time to read what was posted anymore. I just went to a thread that had 117 comments, but I cannot go back to where I left off, it only shows the latest block of 50 ( I tried what xx posted, but it is not working). So if it is at 117, I only see 17 comments.

    I guess I will have more time to do other things now.

    Thanks TNT.

  23. alindasue says:

    I’m not liking the new format either because we have to constantly click on links just to see the entire content of each letter, never mind the comments! I hope they fix that soon. It’s very annoying.

  24. concernedtacoma7 says:

    I doubt Kard has ever stepped into a church. Who on this board has ever, personally, been in a church that preached anything but positive messages?

    I am not a religous man but I have been to numerous services. Never once have I heard a violent/negative message (minus rev wright on tv).

  25. Not that anyone cares, but I am done with this forum because of the new format.

    I share you frustration.

    However…..since the vast majority of your posts tend to be KARDNOS-baiting, you self-assessment about whether anyone cares if you leave may be accurate.

  26. Sheesh….Every time I come in here to see whats going on, I get the distinct impression that the TNT comment section is NOT a place for the free exchange of ideas….but a place to bash anyone who doesn’t agree with someone else to the point of behaving like five year old kids slinging mud in a puddle! (Shakes my head and goes back to a book)

  27. Sadly you are correct DCR. You will notice that when I challenged Kardnos to exercise intellectual integrity, he fell silent.

  28. Concerned: Wrong again. I was the Youth Director for a United Methodist church, thus very close to the inner sanctum. Unlike you, I got inside and saw the wrongs, where as you were a part-timer and didn’t dig deep enough.

    If you need to hear a negative message from Christianity…just check out Pat Robertson and friends on their very own TV channel.

  29. sozo….I’m sorry I didn’t pay attention to you…I had things to do…like watch college football.

    True, the KKK doesn’t speak for all of Christendom, but to deny their affiliation is intellectually dishonest, as history proves differently. Again…the writer used an analogy. I’m not sure why you found the need to be defensive. The analogy had nothing to do with Christianity. Maybe you need to examine your motives. I didn’t notice you defending the Jehovah’s Witnesses or that analogy.

    In the case of Nazi Germany. You claim they “co-opt” Please refer accordingly:

    co·opt   /koʊˈɒpt/ Show Spelled[koh-opt] Show IPA
    verb (used with object)
    1. to elect into a body by the votes of the existing members.
    2. to assimilate, take, or win over into a larger or established group: The fledgling Labor party was coopted by the Socialist party.
    3. to appropriate as one’s own; preempt: The dissidents have coopted the title of her novel for their slogan.

    You have a bit of proving to do to establish that Hitler wasn’t a lifelong Christian….but it would be fun to watch you, so have at it.

    Now…to the Muslim extremists…thanks for that admission.

    So…in conclusion…as I ALWAYS will say….ALL religions cause the same problems.

  30. beerBoy…fear not….she’ll be back with new monikers. She cannot live without me.

  31. Ah, a UMC Youth Director. The picture gets clearer and clearer.

  32. sozo…..would you like to elaborate on your statement, or just say nothing of substance?

    Here..let me help….

    Being an evangelical, you have a bone in your throat with the United Methodist Church. Of course, you probably don’t know that the evangelical movement, launched in the late 1890s to 1900s was a group of Methodists with a resentment. “Pentecostals” would be the correct term.

    It seems that the Methodists, founded in the early 1700s, weren’t quite enough in to the dog and pony show of “gifts of the spirit” and up sprang the Pentecostals (aka “Holy Rollers” at one time).

    Is that helping your picture get clearer?

    Frankly, the UMC was no different in the big picture than the Assembly of God church I attended, for awhile. Both were full of personal politics and back biting among the fellowship (a word I have to chuckle at the reference). Oh…and yes….all about the money.

    I will say that the UMC didn’t spend a whole lot of time down grading other demoninations, but the Assembly churches are big on letting you know that no one has their act together as well as they do. And WOW…do they have a resentment with the Catholic church!

    Since I was married to a Catholic, I’ve had plenty of feedback on what is wrong with Protestantism and have known enough Jews to catch their eyerolling at the entire Christian concept.

    So….how clear is your picture? Probably pretty stained, I’m guessing.

  33. I’m waiting for sozo to prove her stand that Hitler wasn’t a life long Christian.

  34. SadujTogracse says:

    People can “claim” a lot of things. Manson claimed he was Jesus, that didn’t make it so. Hitler can claim to be a Christian, but obviously he was not.

  35. And you claimed you were leaving us…..

    From “carm.org”….

    Some people think that to be a Christian means you can’t see movies, that you can’t dance, can’t have a drink, or that you can’t have any more fun. That isn’t true. Christianity isn’t about rules and regulations to follow. It is about a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Now…who can prove that Manson didn’t have a “relationship” with Jesus?

    Since it is rather difficult to prove “Jesus”, proving “relationships with Jesus” is even more difficult.

    As to proving Manson wasn’t “Jesus”….see above…..

    I wonder if Jim Bakker is a Christian…..LOL

  36. SadujTogracse says:

    Very simple: “Ye shall know them by their fruits”. Not much fruit there from Hitler and Manson is there? Now I guess it’s possible Hitler repented before he put a gun in his mouth, and I suppose Manson has been born again in prison. It’s also possible that I’ll win the lottery tomorrow.

  37. You’ll wait a long time, Kardnos. I shan’t be attempting to prove something I didn’t assert.

    As for the UMC crack, that was crummy of me actually and I apologize. Just a little crumb left in my craw. I was actually a UMC Youth Minister for two congregations back in the day. Long story, of little interest to anyone here.

  38. sozo….so you have a resentment with UMC and tried to smear me….

    How deflective of you!!!

    I guess that was your “fruits”….

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