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TAXES: The rich must pay more

Letter by Jim R. Friedman, Gig Harbor on Oct. 5, 2011 at 11:40 am with 44 Comments »
October 5, 2011 11:40 am

A class war exists between the haves and the have-nots. It could be reversed if it were not for greed and complacency.

The Republican Party’s strategy is to throw an ever-growing population of low-income and unemployed people under the bus for their only goal, making Barack Obama a one-term president.

The only way out of this financial crisis is to get America to work. The wealthy, who hold the purse strings over most politicians, would rather have us trash functioning Social Security and Medicare systems so our children and their children will have little or no later-in-life protections.

Tax increases to the rich are a must. Don’t be fooled by political ads that say the middle class will bear this burden. Those who have the resources continue to provide half-truths to maintain their positions of money and power. Let’s wake up and stand up.

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  1. BlaineCGarver says:

    Pure whimsy, again. I refuse to count the generational welfare bums that are sucking the system dry. After eleminating those riff-raff, let’s demand, or even mandate returning jobs back to America. There are plenty of jobs out there, let’s bring them home. Someone smack Obama, and explain to him that outragious regulations are killing us…one example is the CFB law: GE is going to close an American plant making lightbulbs and send the work to Mexico, and the rumer is that they are asking Americans to go to Mexico to train the new workers…..Anyone getting tired of the Gubment telling us it’s raining, all the while they are urinating down our necks????

  2. LarryFine says:

    Gosh Jim, a “friend” of mine once said ‘anyone who thinks he knows how others think is a fool’… based on your letter and my ‘friend’s’ quote I think you fit the bill.

    Yeah ! “Standup Chuck”…

  3. itwasntmethistime says:

    just to fuel the fire………. another way we could curb the ever-gorwing population of low-income people is if people would quit making babies they can’t take care of themselves. There are enough people already on the government dole, please stop making more.

  4. SwordofPerseus says:

    It is a fact that a society does better at every level of human need if the people in that society are more equal in income and social status.

    People in more equal societies live longer, a smaller proportion of children die in infancy and self-rated health is better, are far less likely to experience mental illness, are less likely to do drugs, have teen pregnancy, go to prison. People in more equal societies do better in school, are less likely to be overweight and more likely to have a good and trusting relationship with friends and neighbors, and have lower rates of crime, especially violent crime.
    The benefits outweigh the negatives by a wide margin in my opinion.

    http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/why/evidence

  5. the3rdpigshouse says:

    Hey Jim – where did all those “shovel-ready jobs” go??! What did you realize from the undefined “Hope” & “Change” babbled by the incompetent “OH-Bummer”??? Have you realized the benefits realized by moving to transform our nation into a socialist pit??

    Why do you believe that 40-50% of taxpayers should pay zero taxes?? Maybe they should have a little “skin” in the game!!? Jimmie – please to provide the phone numbers of all those poor people who are waiting to hire the unemployed!!

    Real solutions:

    1. Move our manufactturing base back inside U.S. borders!
    2. For those mentally & physically able citizens drawing a welfare check, subsidized housing, food stamps, et al benefits – require them to work to receive their benefits!

    Wake up Jimmie – the “free lunch” you are seeking should not exist!!

  6. Well Jim you sound like a typical welfare recipient with your attitude. Welfare should be only for citizens that hit a hole in the road so to speak, not a way of life. Individuals that are wealthy pay way more tax on an average compared to low income, most that pay nothing. The ones with the huge loopholes are the corporations and to deny anyone that worked hard for their money deserve it. We need to move jobs back to America, stop importing crap from china and the likes, get back to basics and above all work for what we receive, not sit around boo hooing for more free stuff. I would bet you voted for o’bummer fool.

  7. LarryFine says:

    What, praytell, are you babbling about bB ?

  8. LarryFine says:

    … never mind.

  9. old_benjamin says:

    Capitalism distributes wealth unequally.
    Socialism distributes misery equally.
    Take your pick.

  10. beerBoy says:

    Larry, tell me again about how there must be some conspiracy against you because you are a conservative and some of your posts get deleted!

  11. JimmyEOlson says:

    Greed is coveting things you do not have. Responsibility is earning your own wealth and keeping it. Who are the greedy in our society?

    For liberals compassion equals giving the poor other people’s money.

  12. beerBoy says:

    o_b

    none of the above is my pick or, actually, some of each.

  13. aislander says:

    Who WANTS equality? It’s boring.

    Capitalism creates wealth that is distributed unequally. O_B is right about socialism, but what’s funny is that socialists (lefties, libs–I don’t care what you call ‘em, although lefties seem to. But I don’t care about that, either…) want to redistribute wealth, but know nothing about creating it–Friedman’s letter is proof of that. So what the hell will they redistribute?

  14. SwordofPerseus says:

    @aislander – Capitalism is an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market.
    Unfortunately there is no such thing as a “free market” it is a myth.

    Wealth is created only by mixing labor with talent and natural resources, capitalism is not required.

    Capitalism is a failed idea, which requires infinite growth within the constraints of a finite system. It is without a doubt the greatest mental deception ever created by the human mind. An economy is defined as : thrifty and efficient use of material resources : frugality in expenditures; also : an instance or a means of economizing. Capitalism fails on every level to provide a sustainable stable economy, a new paradigm is needed if humanity is to survive. Your old ideas are over with ai.(See the 99%)

  15. Capitalism works just fine for those who have the ambition to get out of bed and pound the pavement looking for work. It doesn’t work so well for socialists who feel that they need to only walk as far as the mailbox to get their welfare check. “Efficient use of material resources” like our petrolium deposits sitting in the ground are helping no one. The use of phrases such as “finite system” are unfounded. Such commentary should be followed with “finite proof” that we have run out of options. That is why some people get rich and others don’t. They show the willingness to risk all that they have to develope a new concept that others want. So don’t say that capitalism is dead, there will always be those who step out of the box and create wealth.

  16. LarryFine says:

    @ bB… who has the obsession ?

  17. itwasntmethistime says:

    If you don’t feel your welfare check buys you enough, move to Mexico and apply for welfare there.

  18. SwordofPerseus says:

    @Frosty – No one is saying capitalism is dead, I said it is a failed system. Simply look around you and every single system is in a state of decline, decay, or crisis. Air, water, fisheries, etc…

    As for your definition of efficient use of petroleum resources, there can be no more inefficient and wasteful use of fossil fuel than to burn it, you are a dim one on that point.

    As for a finite system, I assume you understand the definition of finite, since we have only the one planet, there can be no debate about it, it is in fact, a closed finite system.

  19. KARDNOS says:

    “frosty says:
    October 5, 2011 at 5:29 pm
    Capitalism works just fine for those who have the ambition to get out of bed and pound the pavement looking for work.”

    So capitalism doesn’t work well for the fortunate sons that were born to wealth and never worked a day in their lives, living off the labor of others?

  20. aislander says:

    Just look at Europe RIGHT NOW for the exemplar of a system that doesn’t work. Why would we wish to copy that?

    Medusa is correct that we don’t have a free market, but that is not the fault of the market, but of government and corporatism, which could not exist WITHOUT government’s involvement in commerce.

  21. theglovesRoff says:

    And the stock market goes down every day because of Europe, or so I am told.

    So why aren’t the leftists complaining about the surfs retirements now?

    Is it because BHO is prez and not Bush?

  22. The market was up today about 1.8%.

    And to answer your question, its because today’s BHO Dow of 10,950 is a darn nice improvement over a GWB Dow of 6600. The “surfs”, as you say, are smart enough not to complain about a 11.5% yearly return.

  23. The author states that “The only way out of this financial crisis is to get America to work”, but then he gets attacked by one poster for, “Sounding like a typical welfare recipient”, by another for “seeking a free lunch”, and a third poster tells him to “move to Mexico if he doesn’t feel his welfare check is big enough”.

    I would suppose those responses make sense to conservatives, and to the posters themselves, at least.

  24. Untill all the redneck gun owners realize that republican only reason they are pro gun so they will vote for them and that they actually don’t care about them.The rich will never have to pay there fair share

  25. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Kard, only 10% or so of millionaires inherited it, if I remember correctly. This country is not flooded with trust fund babies. Today’s rich are way more likely to have earned it. But, who cares if they did not? Only the jealous.

    Sword- your view that America is becoming a wasteland is unfounded. Bald Eagles are back, you can take whale watching tours minutes from The Statue of Liberty. We have 9% unemployment. Even those unemployed have food provided by the taxpayer as well as emergency care. Welfare households have tv’s, washing machines, cell phones, etc. Yes, our roads have a lot of potholes, but we are still the greatest country on the planet.

  26. xx98411 says:

    pssst… Sword…

    I am losing the hope, I want some of that change that was promised to me. I’m workin’ my buttocks off and feel like I spinning in circles. I want to change how I live, what I do… I hear you telling how it is a failed system… so I’m askin’…

    …what are you offering? What is your system of choice? How is that going to help me get my piece of the pie, my fair share?

  27. beerBoy says:

    Just look at Europe RIGHT NOW for the exemplar of a system that doesn’t work.

    Ummm…..the one country that seems to be doing just fine is COMMUNIST China which is using a mix of capitalist and socialist policies. They also don’t really care about poisoning their environment (remember that they had to ban cars to try to make the air a little less toxic for the Olympics), paying living wages or maintaining safe working places. If that is your model…….go for it……but count me out.

  28. tellnolies says:

    “The use of phrases such as “finite system” are unfounded” ROFLMAO!!!
    Yeah, let’s just discard reality, that’ll certainly help.

    “Sword- your view that America is becoming a wasteland is unfounded”

    …no it’s not. While there are a few success stories regarding species, such as the Bald Eagle coming back, there are many more indications that the carrying capacity of the planet is being damaged.

    Good posts Sword, but of course the ideologists won’t buy (chuckle) anything that doesn’t support their ideology, regardless of it’s truth.

  29. harleyrider1 says:

    Those Republicans Jim are just terrible. Throwing the elderly, the poor, the young under the bus just to sink Obama. Keep your window shades pulled and listen for any sound – you could be next!

    And the rich? My gosh, you’re so right Jim. We need to take their money from them. They have no right to have such large sums when you have so little. I don’t know what kind of student you were in school, what your goals were, if you’ve worked two jobs all your life and saved, saved, saved – but it doesn’t matter Jim, does it? Just take their money. You’re entitled to it.

  30. “But, who cares if they did not? Only the jealous. ”

    So, the poor are parasitic if they don’t earn the little they have, while wealthy “trust fund babies” that did nothing to earn it, are not?

    Seems to me that both would be parasitic, the only difference is accident of birth.

    So much for the “level playing field”

  31. KARDNOS says:

    “concernedtacoma7 says:
    October 6, 2011 at 3:22 am
    Kard, only 10% or so of millionaires inherited it, if I remember correctly.”

    Instead of “remembering”…..try looking it up on that thing in front of you. There is a wealth of support data on the internets (yes…plural intended)

  32. KARDNOS says:

    First of all, Concerned….don’t include those “wannabes” whose house is “worth a million dollars” and couldn’t sell it in todays market to save their soul.

    Look to income.

  33. KARDNOS says:

    Would Bill Gates had been able to fool around with computers instead of bagging groceries to pay the bills…..if Sr. didn’t have money?

  34. KARDNOS says:

    “cirrus says:
    October 5, 2011 at 9:21 pm
    The market was up today about 1.8%.

    And to answer your question, its because today’s BHO Dow of 10,950 is a darn nice improvement over a GWB Dow of 6600. The “surfs”, as you say, are smart enough not to complain about a 11.5% yearly return.”

    ::::notes that Roff got strangely silent after the place putting by cirrus::::::

  35. KARDNOS says:

    “itwasntmethistime says:
    October 5, 2011 at 1:29 pm
    just to fuel the fire………. another way we could curb the ever-gorwing population of low-income people is if people would quit making babies they can’t take care of themselves. There are enough people already on the government dole, please stop making more.”

    defund Planned Parenthood….that’ll help

  36. xx98411 says:

    karnos – inheritance of great wealth is low and your attempts to paint individuals as undeserving is a classic BS argument. First – so what and second you are wrong in your assessment.

    A house is considered an asset and its worth is tax as such. Income is a vehicle to wealth, the management of that income is the difference between those that accumulate great wealth and those that dont.

    Bill Gates – yes, he still could have, second, we’ll never know, only speculate.

    The Dow was also at 14,400 under the Bush administration. The return is dependent on the individual stocks one owns.

    No one said anything about planned parenthood and/or defunding it. Straw again

  37. aislander says:

    Life isn’t fair. Nothing is perfect and nothing is perfectible. For a government to try to impose perfect fairness means that government must be unfair. Where political solutions are the only solutions, everything becomes political. Get over it lefties and leave us the hell alone…

  38. SwordofPerseus says:

    ai;

    Do you read what you type?

    On October 6, 2011 at 11:33 a.m. you wrote;

    “Nothing is perfect and nothing is perfectible. For a government to try to impose perfect fairness means that government must be unfair.”

    Didn’t have your coffee yet? Double negatives and other non sense.
    What are you trying to say, that there is no way to make society equitable for all? Don’t try to tell me with all the resources and wealth of this world we cannot provide for the needs of everyone? Fairly so all can enjoy the joy of a full belly and a little time in the sun. It is time we solved the worlds problems scientifically, like adults, not the way we have been.

  39. xx98411 says:

    It is time we solved the worlds problems scientifically…

    what are you proposing as a solution?

  40. Swordof Perseus, I understand fully what ‘finite” means. Are you saying that because there’s a finite amount of natural resources on this planet that all hope is lost and we should all commit suicide? Or should we all just return to the caves and await our doom? Use of the term “dim” applies more to your intellect than it does to me. I believe that there’s enough resources on this planet to support life for centuries to come, so I’ll just continue to burn all of that fossil fuel for my comfort and convenience. You can run around gathering wood and living in a cave.

  41. SwordofPerseus says:

    Frosty;

    Why the melodrama? We don’t have to resort to your all or nothing approach, as I said, we need to apply scientific methods to solve our problems. That does not require we return to cave dwelling and burn decaying flora for heat. I overestimated you, thought you were brighter than that.

    Finite means a limited amount, that meas that we will run out, consume all of the commodity. When that happens with oil, which is coming in less that two decades yes 20 years. If we have not had the foresight, that means right now not five years from now, to replace our addiction to oil and gas and coal, the planet is doomed. WE are cooking the planet, human life will not be pleasant if this happens. If we care about the future of our children and that of humanity we need to change now, otherwise it will be just like Armageddon. Enough energy from sunlight falls on the earth to power everything for a year. We need to harness this energy in all of its forms. And not for profit but for the good of all humanity.

  42. SwordofPerseus says:

    Correction;

    Enough energy from sunlight falls on the earth every day to power everything on the planet for one year. We need to harness this energy in all of its forms. And not for profit but for the good of all humanity.

  43. aislander says:

    Medusa: It is simple enough: One cannot impose fairness. If you perceive a situation to be unfair and step in to correct it, you simply impose UNfairness on someone else. All you can fairly do is to attempt to allow equal opportunity. As soon as you try for equal outcomes, somebody gets screwed. Ergo: Imposing putative fairness creates unfairness.

    By your patronizing tone, Medusa, I infer that you have touching faith in your unaided abilities. You shouldn’t…

  44. xx98411 says:

    “Why the melodrama?”

    “… the planet is doomed.”

    “…otherwise it will be just like Armageddon.”

    Why indeed…

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