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Letter by Ned Heisler, Steilacoom on Oct. 3, 2011 at 9:21 am with 67 Comments »
October 3, 2011 9:21 am

Re: ” U.S. drone executes two American citizens” (TNT, 10-1).

That is the worst headline I have seen in your paper in more than 40 years. You could have said “U.S. drone executes 2 traitors” or “U.S. drone executes 2 al-Qaida terrorists”; either would have been OK.

What you did was imply was that the two men killed were just citizens. You insulted every person killed on 9/11. You insulted every member of the armed forces who has died protecting your right to print such an outrageous statement. The editor and paper owe everyone a front-page apology.

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  1. aislander says:

    You’re surprised that the Trib runs an editorial opinion on the news pages?

  2. hartacres says:

    Well done. They chose not to publish my letter which was along the same lines. Maybe OK on the Opinion page but not on the front page above the fold

  3. Cool down Ned. Many reasonable people have legitimate questions about the policy in place that allows killing an American citizen without having a legal process take place first.
    There is a potential slippery slope here.
    Remember, the newspaper can do as it pleases most of the time.

  4. As far as the TNT – they can publish any headline they deem fit to print. In this case the headline is factual, they were American Citizens.

    That being said I would need to read the content to determine whether the headline was “fair”, did they editorialize or stretch, etc… I can’t seem to find the article via the title though I have found other articles about the incident. That tells me they may have changed the title.

    Either way, the headline is factual and correct, our US government using drones, killed two American Citizens, now for the rest of the story….

  5. slugoxyz says:

    yeah. I don’t object that much. The same can be said when we execute a death row inmate. We are executing a US citizen…albeit legally. It is the President’s right to protect Americans from people who pose a clear and present danger. You don’t have to like it. You might even disagree with it. But if you really want to do something about it, you should run for President. Lord knows the Republicans could use a decent candidate. Then again… so could the Democrats. Be that as it may, it’s a hard job. You can sit at your computer and say US policy is messed up but you clearly don’t know all the details and good thing that you don’t. The Intelligence Community protects information because if they told you, the bad guys would know they’re being monitored. They will then shut off the information. In WWII, bombings of cities in England were allowed to happen in order to not reveal that we had the German encryption system and were monitoring it. If they had known, they would have taken steps and the war might have taken a different course. Nobody likes secrets but they are sometimes a necessary evil. We killed a couple US citizens. You don’t like the fact that there was not due process? Maybe there was due process but you weren’t privy to it. You don’t need to know everything. You just think you do.

  6. old_benjamin says:

    There were more than a few American citizens who chose to return to the Vaterland and fight for the Nazis. Should those who were killed in battle have been given a trial witht he rights of U.S. citizens? Get serious. When you take up arms agains the U.S. on foreign soil, you are a walking dead man, and rightly so.

  7. “We killed a couple US citizens. You don’t like the fact that there was not due process? Maybe there was due process but you weren’t privy to it. You don’t need to know everything. You just think you do.”

    That’s what’s so scary. Under the cover of national security, the government can do what ever they want to you, including assassination.

  8. aislander says:

    I object to the use of the word “execute” in the headline. This human refuse were casualties of war, killed as enemies of the United States. You don’t “execute” an assailant while defending yourself, you “stop” him any way you are able to. A Hellfire missile has admirable stopping power.

    Besides, there is a long, storied, and–dare I say–exalted tradition of killing American citizens when they have crossed the line. Does the phrase “wanted dead or alive” ring a bell? Saves the cost of a trial in the case of terrorists, if you are so fatuous as to view their activities as criminal rather than warlike…

  9. slugoxyz, I read that the justice department stated he wasn’t given due process because he was considered an enemy combatant.

  10. Yes, you are correct pawl, under the cover of national security two American citizens were deemed enenmy combants by moving from the role of propergansdist to operational leader directing the actions of others.

    With that he becomes a legitimate target. Your concern about “the cover of national security” is also legitimate.

    That being said, elections have ramifications.

  11. So much for the great defenders of the Constitution……

  12. I’m surprised that the Conservatives haven’t been defending the dead terrorists, since Obama gave the order to have them eliminated

  13. “That’s what’s so scary. Under the cover of national security, the government can do what ever they want to you, including assassination.”

    yes, typically a crises is created and/or exploited so that under the cover of national whatever, laws are passed to do exactly that, whatever they want.

    As a famous California politician once said, you need to pass the bill te read and understand what’s in the bill… except that it’s way too late by then.

  14. “I’m surprised that the Conservatives haven’t been defending the dead terrorists, since Obama gave the order to have them eliminated.”

    Why, Obama is finally seeing the national security light. All that Bush bashing during the election cycle was just to get elected.

    I gotta give that boyz some props, killin’ dem terrorist gangsta style…

  15. BlaineCGarver says:

    Those “men” were Americans in name only….I pray for max doom on America’s enemies and those that support for real or policital reasons.

  16. LarryFine says:

    Surprised ??? Nah… typical bedwetter nonsense.

  17. aislander says:

    In deference to beerboy’s selective regard for the Constitution (which regard never seems to manifest itself where limitations on the scope of government are concerned), I would not be opposed to some sort of judicial panel that could declare American citizens who meet certain criteria to be enemy combatants, either individually or en masse. If a case can be made that those criteria have been met posthumously, well, no harm done…

    If those citizens ARE declared to be enemy combatants and are captured, they should be interrogated and tried for treason by military tribunals. They should NEVER see the inside of a US civilian court…

  18. beerBoy says:

    this human refuse were casualties of war

    When did we declare war on Yemen?

  19. Remember Ruby Ridge or Waco? This government has been killing Americans at home for years. It used to be standard procedure for the cops to shoot first and ask questions later. Remember Bonney and Clyde? Or any number of gangsters in the 20’s and 30’s who were killed without “due process”? In this particular case, I say great job! We need to execute more of those slime balls. Slippery slope eh? We went beyond that with Waco.

  20. xx98411 says:

    Not quite a conservative but here ya go karnos, one for your conservative bashing scarpbook…

    Ron Paul said Monday that President Barack Obama’s targeted killing of Anwar al-Awlaki might be an impeachable offense.

    Asked at a Manchester, N.H. town hall meeting about last week’s killing of the American-born Al Qaeda leader, the Texas congressman said impeachment would be “possible,” but that he wants to know more about how the administration “flouted the law.”

    Paul called the killing a movement toward “tyranny.”

    “I put responsibility on the president because this is obviously a step in the wrong direction,” Paul said. “We have just totally disrespected the Constitution.”

  21. aislander says:

    beerBoy writes: “When did we declare war on Yemen?”

    Were we at war with, say, Belgium, during WWII, when we killed German soldiers there?

  22. blakeshouse says:

    Aislander you may as well try and teach a dog to walk upright and speak english as to use logic and common sense on either BB or Kard.

  23. Publico says:

    “xx98411 says:
    October 3, 2011 at 12:12 pm
    As a famous California politician once said, you need to pass the bill te read and understand what’s in the bill… except that it’s way too late by then.”

    That is a cheap shot using a statement out of context and is a simplistic ploy used by people who are intellectually dishonest.
    The TNT deleted my first comment.

  24. aislander says:

    Perhaps I just like to annoy the dog…

  25. xx98411 says:

    Yes, it is a cheap shot Publico. I am not intelectually dishonest, I knew exactly what I was doing. No aplogies here…

    so no more out of context statements from either of us anymore, never, never ever…

    woof, woof… ;)

  26. KARDNOS says:

    I guess the Conservatives think that the rest of us forgot their reaction to Obama giving the orders for the execution of Bin Laden. They did everything possible to discredit his actions.

    Common sense and logic say “they’ve done it before…..”

    Hey…a bit off topic…but…..

    Where is all the hullabalo about the opening of the New York Muslim Center??

    I guess that is old outrage…..

  27. KARDNOS says:

    xx……wait until they all get together for the next ObamaBash…er uh….debate….

  28. KARDNOS says:

    Is there a non-edited version of Pelosi’s quote?

    When you search the internet you get two pages of edited versions….

  29. KARDNOS says:

    “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy. Furthermore, we believe that health care reform, again I said at the beginning of my remarks, that we sent the three pillars that the President’s economic stabilization and job creation initiatives were education and innovation—innovation begins in the classroom—clean energy and climate, addressing the climate issues in an innovative way to keep us number one and competitive in the world with the new technology, and the third, first among equals I may say, is health care, health insurance reform.”

    No wonder the Conservatives stick to three word phrases…..They leave off all the of text that is in italics…..

  30. xx98411 says:

    They’ll pretty much say what they are saying now, it was a good use of President powers, it shows leadership to take affirmative action… yep, pretty much what I am hearing…

    oh yeah, it would be nice if the President would apologize for all the bad things he said about Bush and what he did, considering he is not only following the Bush War on Terror playbook, but is actually doubleling down on the Predator attacks.

    Obama is goin’ gangsta in the Casa de Blanca

  31. beerBoy says:

    Were we at war with, say, Belgium, during WWII, when we killed German soldiers there?

    So when did al Qaeda invade and conquer Yemen?

  32. beerBoy says:

    aislander – when someone compliments you upon your logic and common sense you consider the source: “noun, verb, socialist/ neo marxist”

    Most sane men might wonder if they are slipping……..

  33. KARDNOS says:

    “oh yeah, it would be nice if the President would apologize for all the bad things he said about Bush and what he did”

    And that would be???????????

  34. KARDNOS says:

    Add Dirty Dick to the list of people slamming Obama for the execution….

    Cheney speaks from both sides of his mouth, as usual….

    Former veep Dick Cheney praised President Obama for killing American-born jihadist Anwar al-Awlaki, but said Obama should now apologize for slamming the Bush administration’s own legally-questionable anti-terror actions.

    In particular, Cheney said Obama should offer a mea culpa for accusing the Bush administration of okaying torture.

    “They need to go back and reconsider some of the criticisms they offered about our policies over the past years,” Cheney told CNN on Sunday.

    “He said in his Cairo speech that he had quote, ‘banned torture,'” Cheney said. “What he said then was inaccurate – especially in light of what they’re doing now.”

  35. xx98411 says:

    Dick Cheney PRAISED… dude sounds like a kudo pat on the bakc to me.

    I am just pointing out Obama’s hypocrisy…. like I said, slamming Bush but doublin’ down on the killin’

    you must be proud of the boy king in the White House.

  36. xx98411 says:

    And that would be???????????

    Dude, keep askin’ questions like this and I will think a person is that misinformed… you are not new here… you know what was said.

    Obama needs to apologize to Bush and Cheney for talkin’ bad about them and their policies and heuting their feelings. Be a man, apologize…

  37. xx98411 says:

    “So when did al Qaeda invade and conquer Yemen? “

    dude, make a friggin’ point on one of these threads…

  38. aislander says:

    beerBoy writes: “So when did al Qaeda invade and conquer Yemen?”

    So…were we at war with Long Island when we captured and killed the German infiltrators?

    And, apparently I did annoy the…er…student…

  39. KARDNOS says:

    I’m not sure who you are talking about….”boy king”….

    Maybe you’re talking about the former President that talked about “his daddy”….

  40. KARDNOS says:

    Yeah…the one that never had to grow up and always had someone changing his diapers…..

  41. aislander says:

    I wouldn’t say that Al Qaeda invaded AND conquered Yemen, but they have certainly invaded. They’re there aren’t they? And it isn’t necessary to conquer if you have co-opted…

  42. KARDNOS says:

    “”He said in his Cairo speech that he had quote, ‘banned torture,'” Cheney said. “What he said then was inaccurate – especially in light of what they’re doing now.”

    I guess in Dick’s world killing with a drone is the same as torture.

    What would he classify shooting someone in the face with a shotgun?

  43. LarryFine says:

    The Kookiest part of all this is how the resident haters of America grab their ankles for the Islamic terrorists who have declared war on us

  44. xx98411 says:

    karnos – off topic again…

  45. xx98411 says:

    I guess in Dick’s world killing with a drone is the same as torture.

    The US did not torture and does not torture….

    What would he classify shooting someone in the face with a shotgun?

    An accident…

  46. xx98411 says:

    I’m not sure who you are talking about….”boy king”….

    you are not that misinformed nor ignorant.

    besides it’s Maddow approved….

  47. xx98411 says:

    karnos – are you proud of our President, defending you and I by deciding two American citizens are now an enemy combatents over a cup of coffee, signing the order, persuing, targeting and ultimately killing them, two American citizens…

    Forget about us nasty conservatives and the GOP, you must be proud of President Barack Hussein Obama, Commander in Chief of the greatest arm forces in the history of this planet.

    I am and you should be too.

    Sleep well tonight my karnitos and ignore the buzzing sound high in the sky, that is the sound of freedom… nighty, nite…

  48. KARDNOS says:

    I can see your pride swelling out of both sides of your mouth.

    But…this has nothing to do with George Bush.

  49. KARDNOS says:

    xx98411 says:
    October 3, 2011 at 7:58 pm
    karnos – off topic again…

    We were talking about Dick Cheney’s opinions…..right????????

  50. beerBoy says:

    aislander – was the Yemen government provided prior knowledge of the attack? Did they give permission? Or was it another example of the US not caring about national sovereignty?

    xx – I will say it for you since, as a “lib” I am expected to defend the Demoncrats: Obama is a war criminal just like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al.

  51. KARDNOS says:

    The US did not torture and does not torture….

    http://www.seattlepi.com/default/article/Bush-admits-he-approved-torture-1272163.php

    Ahem…….

  52. xx98411 says:

    karnos – forget about me and my pride, what about you and your pride in this country, what our President did to defend it… do you not just have a little, just a little tingle coming up you left leg… just a little.

  53. xx98411 says:

    We already did the “torture” thingy… you guys got words, pontifications, demonizations and it was clear when the simplist of questions was asked….

    If we can’t use enhanced interrogation techniques, as Commander in Chief – what would you do, how far will you go to defend this nation from all enemies, foriegn and domestic?

    what I heard

    http://youtu.be/K8E_zMLCRNg

  54. xx98411 says:

    Coming back to reality…

    Obama = war criminal… wow, bb, no tingle for you. A little harsh don’t ya think.

    I will credit that at least you (and it appears only you, not sure about karnos yet, he hasn’t answered, keeps lookin’ backwards for some reason) are consistant in your critiques of the war mongering (I just threw that in their to kick up some sand) of the current Commander in Chief.

    OK, so gotta ask, what would you (or if third person is better, the President) do to “neutralize”, render impotent, shut him the heck up, or however you wanna characterize it, the Anwar al Alwaki dude and his internet sidekick?

    Since you call the boy king (I think that Maddow approved term is quite fitting here) a “war criminal” are we talking impeachment and trial (pay per view baby), really?

  55. Obama a war criminal ? Of course he is. Invading Pakistan, Yemen, as well as promoting our 3rd war and calling for the removal of the Libyan leader that was removed for our arbitrary list of terrorists by the Bush administration.

  56. slugoxyz says:

    I support the office of the President of the United States no matter who sits in it. His success is my success. Now, as a moderate conservative, I reserve the right to whine about policies I do not approve of. Lord knows I’m begging the Republican Party to come up with someone (ANYONE) who is even slightly appealing to run against the guy. But I never stop supporting my CinC and hoping for his/her success. I whined about a ton of things “W” did. Did I vote for him? Reluctantly since for me, he was the better of two idiots. But you won’t generally find me applauding too many politicians. I’m an old soldier. Soldiers do not generally like politicians but that may only be because we do their bidding in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Somalia etc.

    Yemen has allowed us to kill varmints in their nation. We are an invited guest to kill pests more efficiently, more expediently and politically more palatable than them killing terrorists themselves. I am relatively sure, that Yemen is being rewarded financially. Fine. That is how the world goes round isn’t it?

    I am relatively weary of the hard left folks and the hard right folks throwing mud at each other. I come on here to learn. Hopefully, some of you share some tidbit of useful information but mostly what I hear is this somewhat childish (albeit educated) bickering about past leaders, present leaders, tit for tat. If all these ‘great” minds actually sought solutions to our issues, it would be refreshing. No huh?

    So, without calling anyone names (you knuckleheads), does anyone have a viable alternative to the War on Terror? A viable alternative to killing terrorists in a foreign nation? I firmly believe in killing them there rather than waiting for them to come kill us here. Of course, I sure wish we could figure a way to get them to stop wanting to kill us. I firmly believe the pendulum is swinging in the Muslim world. The women and the young are getting tired of being bullied by their clerics and the violent followers of said clerics. It will take a while but the pendulum will swing. I just hope we here in America can financially last long enough to see that happen. In the meantime… load up another unmanned drone and go down the list. Who cares where the terrorist is from? I’m just glad I’m not on that list…I think…

  57. slugoxyz: Does anyone have an alternative to our “war on terror” ? Well , lets stop taking sides in the Israeli / Palestinian issue for one. You do know that a stated goal of Al Quieda was to bankrupt the USA do you not? Are they achieving their goal, with our help?

  58. ipsut – you are a brave man to make that obvious suggestion, prepare to be flamed.

    So, without calling anyone names (you knuckleheads)
    ;-)

    xx and slugo. I am not a tactician. However I do think that, even in times of “war” (a war on terror – a tactic of war – is only a war in a metaphoric sense), we must not give away what makes the US special in the first place. Allowing the President the power to put forward a death sentence without any due process is returning us to pre-Magna Carta governance.

  59. bb – ok, not a “tactician”… hmmm,

    here’s an article for ya, their is a process (whether it is a “due enough process” I am not so sure) have at it. It is only an article and the classic “unnamed sources” but a nibble for thought.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/the-secret-memo-that-explains-why-obama-can-kill-americans/246004/

    That being said, can get you (bb) to commit that the war on terror is NOT a law enforcement action beyond the borders of the United States? Can we agree on that?

  60. “You do know that a stated goal of Al Quieda was to bankrupt the USA do you not? Are they achieving their goal, with our help? “

    No flammin’ you are correcto. The bearded one said that in no uncertain terms.

    Considering the growth and scope of the Homeland Security department as well as the scrotal check prior to flying, I would add loss of self-respect to the list of goals for al Queada.

  61. xx – thanks for the link. The intro to the article pretty much sums it up:
    The Secret Memo That Explains Why Obama Can Kill Americans
    The Department of Justice produced it prior to the assassination of Anwar al-Awlaki. But they won’t release it.

    Yah sure, ya betcha!

    Reminds me of W’s claim that it wasn’t torture because his lawyer wrote a memo saying it wasn’t torture.

    As bad as the terrorism is, or could be, there is no way it could do as much harm to our way of life as the reaction by our government to the terrorism has been.

  62. The War on Terror ™, while neither, is more akin to a police action than to a war.

  63. The problem I have with the GWOT is that it seems eerily similar to the war by Oceania with Eastasia

  64. xx98411 says:

    “The War on Terror ™, while neither, is more akin to a police action than to a war. “

    “… more akin…” sigh… fornication… umm… ok… For the purpose of conversation can I safely assume that you prefer a police type prosecution for the disagreement between us and the really scary people who wanna blow us up?

    If you can string more than a few sentences together educating the TNT masses on your position that will be great… akin to a police action… ok I’m all pixels.

  65. xx98411 says:

    Oceania… Eurasia…. again with sigh… an exclamation – fornication… and a look at the screen that is more akin to a WTF are you alluding to here type of look and the 1984 Orwellian post…

    ummm, ok… back to square one… so a little surreal to you, ok sounds… interesting… if you care to string a few more sentences here together that would be great….

    thanks…

  66. beerBoy says:

    Actually….what I want is something a little more James Bond…you know license to kill, small, below the radar with plausible deniability….kinda like what Mossad excels at….

  67. xx98411 says:

    ok, so from the little nibbles you have toss on the ground…

    though the “kill’ list is a little creepy and you probably won’t know your on it until you hear a helicopter landing in your back yard or you are wondering what that trail of smoke is heading your way, your ok with a little bad guy killin as long as it’s not too messy… I assume preferably outside the boundaries of the 57 states…

    am I off…?

    4 sentences, thanks, moving right along.

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