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Letter by Barbara J. Ullrich, Tacoma on Sep. 29, 2011 at 12:36 pm with 80 Comments »
September 29, 2011 12:36 pm

The Constitution’s preamble clearly states that one of the nation’s goals is to “promote the general welfare.”

The U.S. Postal Service, for example, pays for itself. What more could you ask? It even delivers to rural areas for the other companies because it’s cost-effective. Prices would go up with privatization because private owners would require profits.

Members of Congress have wonderful single-payer health care. As patients, I wonder if they think it is dangerously socialist. I doubt it. Medicare is less generous but is also run by the government, and should not be privatized.

There must be good people in Congress. Do they think there is no way around letting large corporations and the super-rich manipulate laws, clearly not promoting the general welfare? I believe there is another way. Let’s encourage our representatives to go there.

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  1. You got it right Barbara. Thanks for writing it. Stand by for derogatory comments from those who have little or no compassion for their fellow man.

  2. smthompson says:

    You are so right. Prepare to be attacked by the berserkers.

  3. stetsonwalker says:

    “The U.S. Postal Service, for example, pays for itself. What more could you ask? It even delivers to rural areas for the other companies because it’s cost-effective. Prices would go up with privatization because private owners would require profits.”

    You cannot be serious! If the USPS was privatized meaning government OUT of the service, it would have increased efficiency AND lots of room for profit. this is why there are protection laws for the post office. the Post Office is a protected racket and no one can legally compete for the business! This is no less than a monopoly, which is illegal in private enterprise.

  4. The USPS is bankrupt. I do believe it could and should be privatized. When you have an exclusive contract with no competitors, it leads to serious abuse and waste.
    The Founders, when they said “to promote the general welfare”, they meant, health, happiness and prosperity. It was never meant to be legislated, as upheld by the Supreme Court. Making the argument that “general welfare” is a legislative goal, is corrupt and totally against what the founders intoned. The founders defined “welfare” as a result, a natural consequence…

  5. Barbara the Post Office is currently at a few billion dollar loss and is projected to lose 8.5billion dollars this year.

    “…pays for itself…” not sure what you mean by this…

  6. and Barbara about Congressional health care….

    “Members of Congress have good health insurance by any standard, but it’s not free and not reserved only for them – and it’s not government insurance. House and Senate members are allowed to purchase private health insurance offered through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, which covers more than 8 million other federal employees, retirees and their families.

    It’s not a “single-payer” system where the government acts as the one and only health insurance company.

    Appreciate the letter and the opportunity to provide some input.

    (From FactCheck.org)

  7. qballrail says:

    I agree with the opposers statements regarding the USPS. It is, however run by 1 very rich and greedy slug. If he’d see past the end of his nose and drop perhaps just about 3-5% off his outrageous salary which I heard was well into the six-digits, we would see less in the way of layoffs and improving service. USPS may reach far and wide but it is poorly run and is going bankrupt for it’s own mistakes and greed. I think the economy may have played SOME part but not much into it’s demise. Potter makes about $800,000, all told. There is no excuse for the problems he’s been whining about. There was a probe into this in 2009, here’s the article if you don’t believe me: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/23/congress-will-investigate-postmasters-pay/?page=all.

  8. Everyone and his dog knows how the law was manipulated on health care insurance coverage and pensions to make the USPS look broke….

    I’m just wondering why the Conservatives pretend that we don’t know…..

  9. When will the government act as a single payer??????

    I haven’t heard about that…..

  10. FederalTimes.com

    iNewspapers across the country are describing the U.S. Postal Service’s financial difficulties and how service cuts may be needed. The alarm is not exaggerated. The Postal Service expects to lose $11 billion this year before its aggressive plan for cost reductions.

    Yet in the discussion of the Postal Service’s financial problems, a huge contributing factor is often ignored.

    Each year, before the Postal Service even opens its doors for business, it is saddled with paying a $7 billion-a-year overcharge for retiree health care — more than 10 percent of revenues. My office believes these $7 billion payments are erroneous and the result of exaggerated health care forecasting, excessive pre-funding levels for the retiree health care and pension funds, and an unfair transfer of federal pension obligations to the Postal Service.

    We believe the estimate of the Postal Service’s future burden for retiree health care has been exaggerated because the government has assumed a health care forecast 2 percent higher than the industry standard.

    Secondly, the Postal Service is currently required to fund 100 percent of its retiree health and pension obligations — more than the standard 80 percent pension funding levels found in the Standard & Poor’s 500 and the federal government’s own funding level of 41 percent.

    Lastly, by our calculation, the Postal Service has been overcharged $75 billion for its pension obligations. When the Post Office Department became the Postal Service in 1971, employees who belonged to the federal pension fund started contributing to the Postal Service.

  11. qball….see if you can find another source to support Washington Times’ claim:

    The Washington Times is a daily broadsheet newspaper published in Washington, D.C., the capital of the United States. It was founded in 1982 by Unification Church founder Sun Myung Moon, and until 2010 was owned by News World Communications, an international media conglomerate associated with the church. The Times is known for presenting socially and politically conservative views

  12. hmmm….

    “Postmaster General John E. Potter has come under criticism for his total 2008 compensation of nearly $800,000, but the agency’s board of governors says the pay is less than what leaders of several other independent government agencies receive.

    And the amount is far below that given to CEOs in the private sector, even though compensation and benefit packages for postal service officers are required by law to be comparable to those given to private-sector employees doing similar work, the board of governors says.”

  13. oh…that was CNN….

  14. karnos – you post was from an editorial from the Inspector General of the Postal Service and you are chiding someone else for their choice of information.

  15. aislander says:

    The operative word in the phrase “general welfare” is “general, Barbara” Until the progressive Theodore Roosevelt, most presidents (see Grover Cleveland and the Texas agricultural crisis) didn’t use Federal funds unless that spending was beneficial to ALL Americans. Transfer payments violate that principle…

    If we HAD adhered to that principle, we would not be so terribly mired in debt, and, in that regard, I find it unbelievable and unpatriotic that certain people seem reluctant to seriously address that issue…

  16. aislander says:

    That should have read “general,” Barbara. Commas: they save dignity….

  17. alindasue says:

    “Postmaster General John E. Potter has come under criticism for his total 2008 compensation of nearly $800,000, but the agency’s board of governors says the pay is less than what leaders of several other independent government agencies receive.” (quote attributed to CNN by KARDNOS)

    According to the Forbes website, the CEO of FedEx had a $1.28 million base salary in 2010 with a total compensation of $8.67 million. Yahoo Finance cites the total 2010 compensation for the CEO of UPS at $9.5 million, $1million of that being his base salary and the rest paid in the form of stock awards.

    The USPS is not a monopoly, as stetsonwalker states. There are at least two other major postal carriers that compete with it. I receive packages, and sometimes even letters, delivered to my house on numerous occasions from both carriers – but then I live in the city. The competing carriers have the option of not delivering to outlying areas or charging more for doing so. USPS delivers your letter for 42cents per ounce no matter where in the USA you live.

    On a related note: Pierce Transit recently stated in a press release that by cutting out service to less used outlying areas and reducing service outside of peak runs, they have a “…reduction in the overall cost-per-passenger trip from the previous level of $9.00 a trip to an average of $4.00 per passenger trip, a 44% reduction.”

    If you want to mail a birthday card to your Aunt Millie living about 30 miles north of Arco, Idaho, UPS or FedEx will probably deliver it, but they’re going to charge a lot more than 42cents per ounce to do it – because it cost more per letter to deliver to those outlying areas.

    That may be what USPS ends up doing too if they want to remain solvent – despite the fact that people throw a fit every time they try to raise postage by even a couple cents per ounce.

  18. stetsonwalker says:

    alindasue
    The USPS is not a monopoly, as stetsonwalker states. There are at least two other major postal carriers that compete with it. I receive packages, and sometimes even letters, delivered to my house on numerous occasions from both carriers – but then I live in the city. The competing carriers have the option of not delivering to outlying areas or charging more for doing so. USPS delivers your letter for 42cents per ounce no matter where in the USA you live.

    If you are getting mail (letters) from anyone except the USPS the law is being broken.

  19. stetsonwalker says:

    Article I, section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution grants Congress the power to establish post offices and post roads, which has been interpreted as a de facto Congressional monopoly over the delivery of mail. Accordingly, no other system for delivering mail – public or private – can be established, absent Congress’s consent. Congress has delegated to the Postal Service the power to decide whether others may compete with it, and the Postal Service has allowed an exception to its monopoly for extremely urgent letters.

  20. alindasue says:

    stetsonwalker said, “If you are getting mail (letters) from anyone except the USPS the law is being broken.”

    Wrong. If I am getting letters delivered into the mailbox (which is labelled for USPS only) then the law is being broken. They can deliver a letter to my door (or their own receptacle, like newspaper delivery does) without breaking the law.

  21. alindasue says:

    stetsonwalker said, “Article I, section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution grants Congress the power to establish post offices and post roads, which has been interpreted as a de facto Congressional monopoly over the delivery of mail…
    …the Postal Service has allowed an exception to its monopoly for extremely urgent letters.”

    To begin with,”mail” is not just letters. Secondly, if USPS only allowed exception for “extremely urgent” letters, UPS, FedEx, and DHL would not be able to operate.

    I don’t know about DHL, but UPS and FedEx both have regular non-express service options.

  22. stetsonwalker says:

    alindasue

    Call it what you will, I gave you article, section and clause of the law! By the way, who bought your mailbox? I bought mine. USPS did not make my mailbox, nor did I buy or lease it from them. Who are they to say what goes in my mailbox?

  23. stetsonwalker says:

    By the way, it does not say “USPS only” anywhere on my privately bought mailbox.

  24. The Post Office and Universal Healthcare paid through a single provider are services we can afford and are appropriate for a federal government subsidy. Proper oversight will insure that corruption and waste do not exceed that of private businesses.

  25. “If you are getting mail (letters) from anyone except the USPS the law is being broken.”

    Email.

    Private Carrier

    FEDEX

    UPS

    DHL

    Why bluff?

    Now…the cute part is that if FEDEX or UPS needs something delivered to a remote area in….say….Alaska…..

    Guess who delivers it?

  26. Can you imagine all those attorneys breaking the law by using a private carrier for legal communications?

  27. stetsonwalker says:

    KARDNOS

    When I worked for Boeing, they had to pay a substantial fine for using the company courier system to transfer “mail” from plant to plant and to vendors.

  28. stetsonwalker says:

    KARDNOS
    “Can you imagine all those attorneys breaking the law by using a private carrier for legal communications?”

    I will bet none of them are sending letters and x-mas cards to mom with a private carrier….

  29. stetsonwalker says:

    USPS Monopoly
    1) Has a below-market-rate revolving credit line with the Department of Treasury for $15 billion, including the ability to borrow $600 million on “same-day notice.”
    2) Is exempt from local zoning laws
    3) Is exempt from most federal, state, and local taxes
    4) Has the right of eminent domain (although it is only permitted to use it when there is no other “reasonable alternative”)
    5) Does not have to pay parking tickets or vehicle registration costs, both of which are substantial costs for private competitors
    6) Is exempt from many employment-related laws
    7) Is allowed to regulate its own competition. Regulations include requiring that competitors charge the greater of $3.00 or twice the applicable U.S. Postage.
    8) Cannot go bankrupt and can take advantage of sterling credit backed by the full faith of the U.S. government in contracting with suppliers
    9) Enjoys exemption from U.S. anti-trust laws in areas where it has a monopoly “commanded by government as sovereign.”
    10) Is represented by the U.S. Attorney General in court, with all the special procedural and other advantages enjoyed by the U.S. Department of Justice.

  30. “Can you imagine all those attorneys breaking the law by using a private carrier for legal communications?”

    One – once again that is not what anyone is saying

    two – a special messanger service can be used with limited exceptions or

    three – those legal communications are not considered “letters” but parcels or

    four – if letters then the carrier must charge more than a certain amount, meet a time constraint and marked a certain way

  31. xx98411: the USPS is at a deficit because repuke pigs in the congress passed legislation demanding 75 year of retiree benefits and pensions be finded for 75 years in advance, paid to the treasury in ten years. Otherwise they would be ok.

  32. stetson bluffed: “If you are getting mail (letters) from anyone except the USPS the law is being broken.”

    xx proved he can’t read: “once again that is not what anyone is saying”

    Stetson and xx are bleeting the Conservative line…..and it ain’t selling…

  33. stetsonwalker says:

    Publico says:
    “The Post Office and Universal Healthcare paid through a single provider are services we can afford and are appropriate for a federal government subsidy. Proper oversight will insure that corruption and waste do not exceed that of private businesses”

    Seriously??? You mean like Sally Mae…Freddie Mac? Those military contracts I have saw you going on about? That kind of oversight? I hope you live in Seattle so you can get taste of the next Big Dig going that way! i am certain with proper government oversight (ha ha), it will come in below budget with little graft and waste!

  34. I’m 60 years old and cannot remember anyone complaining about the Postal Service (other than when they raise postage) until lately when a Conservative business interest wants the USPS out of business to privatize the service for a profit.

    Hell, I remember the good old days when the Postal carriers used to get Xmas cards with a cash tip in them…..

  35. Trying seaching “Boeing fined for transfering mail betwen plants” and see what you get…..

  36. Hell….the State of Washington has it’s own mail operation…….

  37. Hey stetsonhat, I said that the USPS deserved a gov. subsidy for the service it performs. All your monopoly nonsense are parts of a subsidy in kind. The right does not want to fund anything over and above the minimum. The minimum leaves out oversight. It is a true case of getting what you pay for. That works on the state level as well. Look at the child care issue in the TNT that last couple days. They have the funds to provide for child care. They do not have the funds to provide for oversight nor is it mandated in the law. It comes to light after the fact and everyone screams. A leaky roof installation is great until it rains. Remember “pay me now or pay me later”? That philosophy applies to lots of issues.
    2 cents on a bottle of water or soda. Remember that? Higher taxes for those who can best afford them? Remember that?

  38. stetsonwalker says:

    Publico
    But is it not true that Sally Mae and Freddie Mac had exactly that, a congressional oversight committee? Headed by no other but that eagle eye Barney Frank?

  39. stetsonwalker says:

    Publico
    USPS has had a congressional oversight committee for years, I can see that is working well!

  40. stetsonwalker says:

    DOE, an entire oversight agency for education… site me one improvement since inception that it has made in education!

  41. Barb,
    What Pub failed to say was thatthe sock puppets attacking you would do so with lies and ignorance.
    .

  42. “stetsonwalker says:
    September 29, 2011 at 8:06 pm
    Publico
    USPS has had a congressional oversight committee for years, I can see that is working well!”
    Do you know what their task is as set out by law? Is their defined task in line with what you are claiming? Is their funding adequate to carry out their prescribed duties?
    Your tendency and that of your friends is to make molehills out of mountains. You insinuate that the tasks are simpler than they are and that the solutions are simpler than they are. It is called antigovenment sympathies and it is a syndrome found in TEA Party nutcases among others.

  43. Sally and Freddie are totally different issues and your attempt to change the subject is a common ploy among those who do not know what they are talking about. It is yet another case of making mole hills out of a mountain. I’ll give you that.

  44. stetsonwalker says:

    Publico says:
    “your attempt to change the subject is a common ploy among those who do not know what they are talking about.”

    I tried to change nothing, just pointing out that government oversight and congressional oversight are oxymoron’s and should never be used in the same sentence together.

  45. Dave98373 says:

    “Sally and Freddie are totally different issues.”

    No they are not. They both are examples of what happens when government sticks its nose into our lives in the name of regulation and government self-preservation. Whenever the government tries to run a business or regulate it, it fails…miserably. We are already seeing higher medical costs right now due to the Obamacare legislation. And by the way Barbara, the USPS does NOT pay for itself. It only survives because the government always gives them money. Same goes for Amtrak, another heavily subsidized government experiment.

  46. stetsonwalker says:

    Dave98373
    Thanks for the backing!

  47. stetsonwalker says:

    I do not get the liberal mindset, when the government tries to protect the country from outside interests that want to do us harm, they are going too far and causing problems. When the government wants to strangle us with new regulations and laws, the libs think they have our best interest at heart! What gives?

  48. Sroldguy says:

    “… in 1993, armed postal inspectors entered the headquarters of Equifax Inc. in Atlanta. The postal inspectors demanded to know if all the mail sent by Equifax through Federal Express was indeed “extremely urgent,” as mandated by the Postal Service’s criteria for suspension of the Private Express Statutes. Equifax paid the Postal Service a fine of $30,000. The Postal Service reportedly collected $521,000 for similar fines from twenty-one mailers between 1991 and 1994…”
    http://www.aei.org/paper/17488
    Search for Equifax Inc.

    Does this article remind you of anything?
    USPS labor contracts limit agency flexibility, report finds
    http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0911/092711l2.htm

    I found some of the articles interesting…
    Man admits to role in scheme to dodge $1.3 million in postal fees
    http://www.postalreporter.com/

  49. publico – why does any government agency that charges for a service “deserve” any government subsidy. First, check your expenses and cost of operation or, though I loath to say this, the fees are too low.

    Oversight – you kidding aren’t you. The government makes regulation and then is incabaple of providing the oversight. It has been a historical song over the life of government. Please, government needs to clean its house up before they demand more from us, otherwise it is a black hole we are throwing money at.

  50. On a point stetsonwalker made about Seattle’s coming “big dig”. That project is going to turn alot of you liberals into at least fiscal conservatives.

    Oversight has occured, legitimate concerns have been raised and the politicians aren’t listening. Oversight is there publico, not only by the government but some civilian watchdogs also. We can’t plead ignorance of the issues nor potential problems.

    This is about a dysfunctional government that is operating well beyond its original mandate and purpose. You can blame conservatives all you want but in this state (and the two south of us) that don’t fly.

  51. ClamDigger says:

    “Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.” – Thomas Jefferson

    “With respect to the two words “general welfare,” I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators. – James Madison

  52. This crisis was created by a 2006 law from Congress:

    ut many postal workers say the much-touted crisis facing the U.S. Postal Service is not what it seems. They argue the greatest volume of mail handled in the 236-year history of the postal service was 2006. They also point to a 2006 law that forced the USPS to become the only agency required to fund 75 years of retiree health benefits over just a 10-year span, and say the law’s requirements account for 100 percent of the service’s $20 billion in losses over the previous four years, without which the service would have turned a profit.

    http://www.truth-out.org/shock-doctrine-us-postal-service-manufactured-crisis-behind-push-toward-privatization/1317149379

  53. the Postal Service, every September 30th, has to write a check from its operating funds, that’s the only place they can come from, for $5.5 billion to the U.S. Treasury to partially—-it’s involved in fully pre-funding future retirees’ health benefits for 75 years. You’re talking about funding the retirement benefits for people who haven’t even been born yet, let alone working in the postal service.

    ibid.

  54. bb – the “crisis” was well before 2006, the USPS has been losing money for a relatively long period of time. One is the business model, subsidizing routes that will never be profitable. Two – decisions that affect the business and changing dynamics of the marketplace are made in Congress, that is a slow motion train wreck in progress.

    “The Postal Service will announce Friday that it lost up to $10 billion this fiscal year, a historic sum triggered by declining mail volume and growing labor costs. The shortfall is forcing postal officials to renege on mandatory annual payments of about $5.5 billion required to prefund future retirement benefits.”

    right, it has to come up with $5.5 billion today, but the loss is estimated to be $10 billion… Ok, you wanna blame the losses on the prefunding, cool… what about the other $4.5 billion.

    It is a dying business model. Mail volume is dropping and projections are they will continue to drop.

    “(Joyce) Carrier said every 1 percent decline in overall mail volume equals $300 million in lost revenue. And with more declines anticipated, “we just want to slow it down,” she said.”

    $300 million… $300,000,000.00 That is quite a chunk of change to lose on such a relatively small volume of mail and projections showing that mail volume will continue to drop.

    What cracks me up is a new campaign ad that shows bills being delivered by humans… why do they think that is a model they can continue to thrive?

  55. The USPS has some relatively easy fixes that will solve the problem.

    This is a manufactured crisis by the privatizing ideologues.

  56. What’s stopping them from implementing them?

    When you are a business, that takes money to provide a service, and you can’t at least break even then something is wrong with your business model, you spend to much, you make too little, your costs are too high or… something and it needs to change to solve that issue.

    “manufactured crises” how so…?

  57. scooter6139 says:

    Those easy fixes the USPS want to implement have to be approved by congress.

    At least that is what I believe you are referring to beerboy. If not, feel free to add.

  58. correct scooter.

  59. Educator1 says:

    US Postal Service is a private corporation subsidized with federal tax dollars. This has been the situation for many years. It may be time to return to federal total control.

  60. stetsonwalker says:

    Educator1
    Yes, the same people that brought you Solyndra! Not just one example there are plenty of others!

  61. beerBoy says:

    stetsonwalker – I didn’t know that Benjamin Franklin had anything to do with Solyndra.

  62. beerBoy says:

    So -stetson – are you suggesting that we turn over the USPS to the same people who brought us electrocuting showers and water unsafe to drink in Iraq? $60 bn in fraud in 10 years in Iraqistan……..

  63. stetsonwalker says:

    beerBoy

    I am thinking someone such as UPS or Fed Ex might want to pick up the contract. I am not sure DHL could handle the magnitude, but it could be possible they might want to put together a consortium of sorts to either take it over or take up managing the system.

  64. “stetsonwalker says:
    October 1, 2011 at 7:16 pm
    beerBoy

    I am thinking someone such as UPS or Fed Ex might want to pick up the contract. I am not sure DHL could handle the magnitude, but it could be possible they might want to put together a consortium of sorts to either take it over or take up managing the system.

    Who do you think Fedex and UPS turn to for deliveries in areas where they can’t be profitable????????

  65. Solyndra…..the newest Conservative talking point.

    How many companies did George Bush flush down the toilet?

    Businesses…..especially those in new fields….fail. Consider that the Chinese have flooded the market with cheap solar panels…..the US takes hind teet again. When we get government regulation to protect our R&D business in America, we might have a chance……oh..and JOBS also

  66. xx98411 says:

    Solyndra – the issue is that they tried and failed… that really is not the issue.

    The issue is that the business model, all projections, warnings, they were turned down before, literrally everything projected that this was not a good business to invest any money into…. but the Obama administration did it anyway.

    That’s the issue with Solyndra…

  67. AlabamaGeorge says:

    If Solyndra hadn’t failed, there would have been some other issue brought up.

    If solar isn’t a good business why is China selling so much of it worldwide?

  68. xx98411 says:

    …because the companies in China have a better, more sustainable business model… definately better than Solyndra’s

  69. stetsonwalker says:

    KARDNOS says:
    October 2, 2011 at 11:47 am
    “Who do you think Fedex and UPS turn to for deliveries in areas where they can’t be profitable????????”

    That service is officially now called “UPS Mail Solutions”, and it’s similar to FedEx SmartPost. You get this anytime a shipper sends a package “UPS Basic”. A UPS Ground carrier (usually a combination of long haul box trailers and rail) delivers the package to your local post office, where a letter carrier delivers the parcel to your home.
    The USPS is exempt from all taxes. Taxes all the private delivery firms have to pay. The USPS for instance does not pay federal or state tax on the gasoline or diesel fuel they use, which lowers their per gallon cost by 50 cents per gallon or more in every state. They do not pay real estate taxes on the buildings they own and they do not pay state sales taxes on anything the buy. They do not pay for building permits or need any local approvals to build whatever they want to build, anywhere they want to build it. They are also exempt from paying into state disability and unemployment insurance funds. The post office is exempt from filing and paying state and federal income taxes even when they are profitable. Whereas, Federal Express and United Parcel must hire numerous accountants and file tax returns in every state they operate in.

  70. theglovesRoff says:

    I am sure there will be a “but” coming soon from karnitos…

  71. stetsonwalker says:

    KARDNOS

    Come back buddy… it is lonely at the top here…..

  72. xx98411 says:

    with the list provided by stetsonwalker, highlighting the many business advantages the USPS has over similar package delivery business, the only conclusion I can draw at this point is that executive management must really… really suck at their jobs if they can’t pull a profit out of the USPS.

    bb – I understand the charge for the pension thingy but even without that charge they still suck, they have a crappy business model.

    karnos – I get it, the really, really, boondock routes are not cost effective. My question to you is of the total number of routes that the USPS runs, which are the most profitable, which are “break-even” and which are the losers. Then you can take a look at the number and by how much to determine the cost necessary to make the company at least break even.

  73. KARDNOS says:

    “That service is officially now called “UPS Mail Solutions”, and it’s similar to FedEx SmartPost.”

    The “service” is provided by the USPS, according to a friend I had dinner with on Saturday night….who happens to be a supervisor for UPS in Auburn.

    You can paint stripes on a horse, but that doesn’t make it a zebra.

  74. beerBoy says:

    ..because the companies in China have a better, more sustainable business model…

    Yikes!

  75. stetsonwalker says:

    KARDNOS
    That was your best shot? You must be slipping!

  76. China Post (Chinese: 中国邮政), which is the name used by the State Post Bureau of PRC in business, is the official postal service of the People’s Republic of China. China Post is operated by the State Post Bureau of the People’s Republic of China. The State Post Bureau, commonly referred to as China Post, is both a regulatory authority and government owned enterprise. Thus it is responsible for the regulation of the national postal industry and the management of national postal enterprises.

  77. stetsonwalker says:

    beerBoy

    What does that have to do with the price of beans in America?

  78. beerBoy says:

    stetson – it was xx who suggested that China has a better business model, referring to Solyndra, in response to AlabamaGeorge who stated that China is doing quite well selling solar, in response to you who brought up Solyndra.

    I just tried to bring the tangent initiated by you back to the original topic.

  79. xx98411 says:

    bb- good try but I was talking Solyndra and solar panels… China does it better than we do right now. Solyndra doesn’t help the cause.

    The USPS executive managment sucks at their job. With all the advantages they have and they still can’t turn a profit. They suck, we could blame Congress… ok

    UPS executive management and Congress suck at running a for profit (at least friggin’ break even company)

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