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BUDGET: Do Democrats have no shame?

Letter by Robert L. Humphries, Puyallup on Sep. 28, 2011 at 1:44 pm with 50 Comments »
September 28, 2011 1:44 pm

Re: “Democrats may float tax hike in special election to patch budget” (TNT, 9-27).

Have they no shame? On the very same day The News Tribune reported that more than $2 million may have been overpaid to child care providers? Seems to me that not enough fat has yet been trimmed from current government expenditures – especially in a poor economy with less tax revenue coming in.

Our elected officials and senior bureaucrats need to tighten their belts like the rest of us. Furthermore, they need to become better watchdogs for fraud, waste and abuse of the tax revenues they are already entrusted with.

Who do they suppose will vote for higher taxes? Even those with secure jobs are seeing necessities like health care, food and clothing continue to rise in cost. The housing market has devalued home values below property tax assessments – with property taxes still increasing in areas where voters approved school measures or increased support for their fire districts.

No one can tell when this economy may turn around – with ominous reports that the economic woes in Europe may even cause a deeper recession than we are currently experiencing. Couldn’t our elected official at least try and give the public the perception that they are trying to be more fiscally responsible?

 

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  1. In all fairness, both Democrats and Republicans are equally shameless when it comes to asking us to give more and more. Just look at Proposition 1, a sales tax increase that the Pierce County Council has forced onto the November ballot.

    Asking to increase taxes during these economic times, especially for a project that is so over the top and wasteful, shows Politician in general just don’t get it.

    To them it is “only a penny” but for some families those pennies add up to getting through to the next payday.

    Besides there are many projects and programs more worthy of my penny.

  2. There are plenty of people who can afford to pay more. The question is how to effectively narrow it down to them.

  3. If someone is going to overpay anybody, I hope they overpay childcare providers. Next would be the military wounded followed by educators.

  4. “On the very same day The News Tribune reported that more than $2 million may have been overpaid to child care providers?”

    How can you equate this action to “Democrats”? The state employees and managers that made this mistake could have very well all voted a straight Republican ticket in the last 10 elections.

    Different day, same blameshifting….

  5. stetsonwalker says:

    Publico says:
    “If someone is going to overpay anybody, I hope they overpay childcare providers. Next would be the military wounded followed by educators.”

    That made you feel warm and fuzzy did it? You should have read more carefully! 2 million of that money went to one provider! Does not exactly sound like granny trying to stretch her social security to me! No it sounds like one of the “fatcats” that you so dearly love pocketed a windfall!

  6. stetsonwalker says:

    KARDNOS says:
    “How can you equate this action to “Democrats”? The state employees and managers that made this mistake could have very well all voted a straight Republican ticket in the last 10 elections.”

    If that was a joke, the punch line never made it. You were kidding…right?

  7. stetson……if you think all state workers are Democrats, you haven’t spent enough time in Olympia and you don’t realize there are offices ALL OVER THE STATE….

  8. Well, gloves; I could pay more if I had to. Right now I give it away.
    How about you?

  9. Am I missing something but the proposal was to put some tax increases up for a vote. Mr Humphries are you afraid to let the people vote?

  10. SandHills says:

    Lucky you Publico…funny, but commonsense tells me anyone with significant amount of disposable income generally goes about keeping their affairs private and they usually see no need to make as a$$ out of themselves on a public forum – why should they, because money talks… and the BS you throw around on this forum generally doesn’t even have the legs to walk. In any event – even though you seem to take pleasure in making an a$$ out of yourself – I’m glad I don’t have to worry too much about our care givers, wounded warriors, or educators, because of your generosity.

  11. SandHills says:

    afret, not speaking for the letter writer, but I think he made it clear that it would be a waste of time (not to mention the extra cost of such an election). The letter and commonsense tells me that the current economy – which might get worse before it gets better – has made most people tighten their belts a bit, and expect our elected officials to do the same before asking for more funds. Now there might be a few in this state that the bad economy has not affected too much, but I can probably read from his letter that the writer speaks for many whom this economy has affected drastically. Maybe the Warren Buffet argument applies to the wealthy, but many who are working to keep their heads above water may have a hard time voting to raise their own taxes. Maybe at the local level for schools and fire protection they may vote to raise property taxes, but not nameless state/federal bureaucrats who enjoy getting blank checks from the taxpayers to fund mismanaged programs with dubious benefit to the majority (the bus service vote is a good example)

  12. stetsonwalker says:

    Publico says:
    “Well, gloves; I could pay more if I had to. Right now I give it away.
    How about you?”

    I give and give, government wants more…at least the plasma center says you have given enough!

  13. Does theglovesRoff have anything to contribute to discussions other than ad hominem attacks upon “liberals”?

  14. Sand Hills……excluding the recent find in DSHS, which is resolved by audit….

    Tell us one issue of waste or fraud….please be precise.

    Oh…and since this is state funds, you can’t use Halliburton’s waste of $9 billion in cash in Iraq.

  15. emmo……schlepping water….when the bossman allows….LOL

  16. LarryFine says:

    Washington State Ferry System.

  17. @Kardnos: Thanks!

  18. “LarryFine says:
    September 29, 2011 at 8:20 am
    Washington State Ferry System.

    What part of the word “precise” don’t you understand?

  19. Department of Social and Health Services, specifically Medicaid

  20. Department of Commerce – Community Services and Housing Division specifically the Low-Income Weatherization Assistance Program.

  21. Crime Victims Programs

    Department of Commerce
    Department of Labor & Industries
    Department of Social and Heath Services

    All three departments have overlapping programs that have been documented to be duplicative and therefore wasteful in their administration.

  22. Does emoo have anything to contribute to discussions other than ad hominem attacks upon “other posters”?

    I figured I’d help you out bb, considering how fair and balanced you are… your welcome.

  23. Washington State Ferries was complying with union contractural language.

    It became a media event.

    Now we have Ernst and Young concluding that the system “provides a level of service above what traffic volumes demand”. Never met an auditor or consultant that can’t find anything wrong……

    How can you project “traffic volumes”?

    Ask any of the buinesses on state islands or areas served by the ferry system if the service is ‘too much”……

  24. “All three departments have overlapping programs that have been documented to be duplicative and therefore wasteful in their administration. ”

    DOCUMENTENTED???? Then you won’t mind sharing the documents to be PRECISE….right?

  25. “DOCUMENTENTED???? Then you won’t mind sharing the documents to be PRECISE….right?”

    Washington State Auditors Office

    Crime Victims Programs
    Department of Commerce
    Department of Labor & Industries
    Department of Social and Heath Services

    The above was on the cover of the report… have at it…

  26. SandHills says:

    Kardnos,

    How about this new proposal to spend $50,000 to add Vietnamese soldiers names to the state Vietnam memorial?

    And the beat goes on down in Olympia….

  27. My guess is that sandyhills thinks the Bush tax cuts were are are appropriate while we waged two wars, one necessary and one not which encourage the deficit higher and higher.
    The income discrepancy in the USA is an abomination. I am not saying that everyone needs to be equal so keep your socialist admonitions to yourself. There does need to be less of a difference. Progressive taxing is only one way to accomplish that goal. Mr. Buffet said he can pay more. Why not pick on him sandy or is he too genuine for your common sense?

  28. SandHills says:

    Pubic, just because you have a hard-on against Bush, don’t try and paint me as one of his proponent – especially war without cost (both in terms of money and that it rarely touched the wealthy with Ivy League kids who will never face any danger in the service of their nation).

    This was about Washington State politicians – who happened to be democrats – thinking the old tried and true method of balancing a shortfall in the budget is to raise taxes before doing a bit of trimming some fat. If there is enough for $2M overpayments, or a $50k here and there for getting Vietnamese soldiers names added to the state memorial, then all the fat has not been trimmed well enough to dip into economically stressed general public for higher taxes to bail them out.

    Seems you and Karnos always have another agenda to side track any issue down some ideological rabbit hole.

    If it’s ok with you that elected officials can mismanage, without any realization of the current economy – and you just want to hand them more money, then just say so as clearly as the letter writer put forth his opinion.

    An argument about Bush, or so some convaluted reasoning from Kardnos is the rabbit holes of which I speak.

  29. ItalianSpring says:

    Democrats? A modern day curse word.

  30. LarryFine says:

    Good point Sandhills… how about $10 million annually for unecessary ferry routes?

    btw, it took 25 years for the W.S. Ferry System to pass an audit and actually acount for their funding…

  31. Hey theglovesroff: Don’t call people a POS and we won’t respond in kind. OH, does is not count when you do it? Are you too special?

  32. LarryFIne: The Department of Defense, you know where 30% of ALL of the money goes, has never been able to pass and audit and account for the TRILLIONS in spending. I bet that’s okay right? Gotta support the troops! Give away the farm for false nationalism! Dear Lemmings, there are many cliffs to run off of around here.

  33. Italian Springs: Republicans: a modern day legal crime syndicate. Unless of course you count Tom Delay, former speaker and convicted felon.

  34. actually the comment was not directed at you but at another poster who calls himself balanced but in practice is not… I just used your words…

    On that note, you wanna dish it out, bring it…

    got no beef with dat…

  35. SandHills – if we can’t talk about Bush (or any of the other Administrations in the past 3 decades) then we are being autistic about the situation – everything is forever new – there is a pattern that is well established that needs to be seen in order to be fixed.

    That being said – discussions about the previous Administration utilized as a way to not see the problems of the current Administration (which is problematic precisely because there has been no change from the basic tactics that brought us to this point in the first place) – are just partisan tit-for-tat.

  36. In the simplest, reductive terms – the problem lies with the Neo-LIberal Credit-Capitalist Party of which the Republicans and Democrats form two right wings.

  37. theglovesRoff says:

    emoo, did I type out the words? No. Did you type out an inappropriate word word? Yes.

    I guess from your 8:28 comment that you approve of class warfare.

    And to answer your question, yes I am special.

  38. theglovesRoff says:

    Oh, emoo, you will notice that my original comment was deleted and I didn’t whine about it like you did. It is part of commenting here, unless you are kardnos, who can say and do anything he likes. Must be because he is a 60 year old paperboy……

  39. Oh…..owie glovie…….this 60 year old paperboy controls the editorial department of the daily newspaper (not to mention the corporation that owns them) and you have a knot in your undies…….

    Whinemakers Local 69 is now in order.

  40. SandHills says:
    September 29, 2011 at 6:19 pm
    Kardnos,

    How about this new proposal to spend $50,000 to add Vietnamese soldiers names to the state Vietnam memorial?

    And the beat goes on down in Olympia….

    Yeah….Sand Hills….we should not recognize Vietnamese soldiers who gave their lives fighting along side Americans.

    Yes…..there were the “bad guys”…from the North and our friends from the South…..

  41. Oh…and Whiney……there are only motor route carriers now. No “paper boys” or “paper girls”…..

    As to content….

    “Use any portion of TheNewsTribune.com for uploading, posting, e-mailing, transmitting or otherwise making available Member Content that is harmful to minors in any way, harassing, harmful, threatening, abusive, vulgar, obscene, defamatory, libelous, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable.”

    If the shoo fits……of if the foo..

  42. SandHills says:

    Karnos, if you would read before jumping into your personal dogma you would see that the original memorial was paid for ($150k +) by private donations. Aside from the issue of having foreign soldiers share a memorial designed for American troops, can’t you see any of the trees because of that forest of misguided agenda you and your pal pubic always try to inject to any discussion. You asked the question for specific examples of government waste – I provided this one because it was one more recent. I can now also add the nearly $100K that Gregoire spent on a recent trip to Paris.

    And the beat goes on….

  43. SandHills says:

    Beerboy, you and Kardnos and pubic make a great trio to hijack every single discussion thread to your own agenda. nothing in the letter or any comment by be mentioned anything at all about GW’s presidency – I am not a fan of his, but that wasn’t the issue. Washington state legislature and taxes were. You three would reply to a comment like: ” the Mariners suck” with, well the Seahawks made the Super Bowl in 1996″ , because you assume negative comment about the Mariners was an attack on Seattle – reply with a comment like: “when was the last time the Chicago Cubs won a world series” assuming 8 was a Cubbie fan and your reply was an appropriate counter for my original comment that the Mariners suck.

  44. KARDNOS says:

    MY personal dogma of making sure that our Vietnamese brothers get recognition? OOOOOKkkk……

    I’ll bet our soldiers didn’t consider them “foreign” since (1) they were saying our troops and (2) we were in THEIR country….

    Mistakes are made and corrected….unless your dogma is xenophobic

  45. KARDNOS says:

    “Gregoire is in Paris touting the state’s aerospace industry, which employs about 84,000 people at 650 companies.

    She also met with officials of China’s COMAC, which is building commercial airplanes. She wants the company to hire Washington companies to build its airplanes.”

    Now we can’t have the Governor doing things like this…..can we????

    We need our Governor out raising money for her party….like Christie did last week.

  46. KARDNOS says:

    not “saying”

    “saving”

  47. beerBoy says:

    last post was blocked…..I wish they would tell us what words are verboten before wasting time writing them.

    Your analogy would be accurate if I was discussing the Blair Administration. But I was pointing out that America’s problems don’t begin and end with election years and transcend party.

    You gotta know history if you want to fix the present.

  48. Sand Hills – so if you and Mr Mr Humphries think its a waste of time to put some tax increases up for a vote then we should just listen. Sorry to break it to you that is not how things work. And really that is the best argument you can come up with? Closing tax loop holes and other common sense tax increases should be up to the poeple. Like I said what you afraid of? I mean if Costco can their issue on the ballot that was voted down before don’t others rate to have their issues on the ballot? Or they just not good enough for you?

  49. “Karnos, this is about the subject letter, not Vietnamese soldiers getting billing on a memorial to OUR soldiers”

    Uh….YOU brought it up…..LOL

  50. We all note that when given the opportunity to discuss something about state budgets….

    KARDNOS says:
    October 1, 2011 at 1:17 pm
    “Gregoire is in Paris touting the state’s aerospace industry, which employs about 84,000 people at 650 companies.

    She also met with officials of China’s COMAC, which is building commercial airplanes. She wants the company to hire Washington companies to build its airplanes.”

    Now we can’t have the Governor doing things like this…..can we????

    We need our Governor out raising money for her party….like Christie did last week.

    Sand Hill’s bailed out…. whining about “baiters”…..

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