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Letter by Gordon H. Personius, Union on Aug. 1, 2011 at 2:35 pm with 84 Comments »
August 1, 2011 2:36 pm

I’m sitting here sorrowful – and angry. Seems like our government of the people, by the people, and for the people is a USTABE – that is, it used to be something different.

Never before in my 80-some years have I witnessed the bickering, partisan ugliness over vital issues that the current bunch in our nation’s capital have been displaying. I’m a proud ex-federal employee with more than 30 years in honest service to the Air Force and Veteran’s Administration. As such, my service was often defined by what the politicians would allow, but I seldom, if ever, doubted that they too, were serving the American public.

But not today. Today the evidence is clear that we regular folks don’t mean much, if anything, to the scoundrels we elected. My newspaper tells me that my pension and my Social Security payments may be at risk, and even the compensation of servicemen currently fighting an ill- defined “war” if budget bills aren’t completed, my small town post office may be closed for economy, and the list goes on.

But the same issue also tells me Chevron and other large corporations are experiencing maximum profit years and not hiring (unless in Mexico, China or . . .) . It also tells me that my Congress will not reform taxing them, some of whom pay none, or touch our wealthier individuals.

America, where are you?

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  1. Jeffery Emelt, CEO of GE, is head of Obama’s job’s committee. Last year, GE paid no US taxes and laid off thousands of workers.

    Boston Scientific just laid off 1,200 workers while hiring more than 1,000 in China. Why? The taxes in Obamacare on medical devices.

    Meanwhile, the Obama administration attacks Boeing for trying to expand into South Carolina and kill 4,000 jobs.

    When you have an administration that is totally anti-business, this is what you get–17% real unemployment.

    Where is America today? Just filled with “hope and change.”

  2. xx98411 says:

    Meanwhile, the Obama administration attacks Boeing for trying to expand into South Carolina and kill 4,000 jobs.

    That is the keyword – expand… add jobs to the US market…. Heck, you think the administration would like the idea considering Boeing was “sharing the work”

  3. KARDNOS says:

    And here all this time, the union folks of Boeing Washington are thinking that their local union juristiction jobs are being replaced by non-union jobs in South Carolina.

    I guess they don’t know what is going on with their own jobs.

    :::::::layers and layers of sarcasm applied::::::

  4. KARDNOS says:

    Last year, GE paid nothing in taxes, but this adminstration is “totally” anti-business…..

    LOL

    They don’t even read their own talking points

  5. taxedenoughintacoma says:

    obama has destroyed the country and our spirit with his failed programs. Every program he has tried has failed, he has failed and I pray we can last long enough to survice the worst president in our history.

    He can’t govern without other peoples money and he is used and wasted all of that. No more, next!!!!

  6. KARDNOS says:

    I think we need to rekindle the death panels and Muslim talk.

    Wasn’t Obama born in Kenya?

  7. Misunderestimated says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_68GjR6V6zI#at=132

    Maybe all we really need to do is watch this video of Marco Rubio…eye opening

  8. You’d like to rekindle something…anything…to get people to look away from the current debacle Kardnos. Let’s not.

  9. stetsonwalker says:

    If Chevron is going to hire here, we need to let them drill here!

  10. ItalianSpring says:

    “Never before in my 80-some years have I witnessed the bickering, partisan ugliness over vital issues that the current bunch in our nation’s capital have been displaying.”

    I believe you. You weren’t around when the founding fathers argued with each other in founding this country. Something great came out of it until recently.

  11. newscrap says:

    ItalianSpring
    But the Fonding Fathers COMPROMISED to get things done. The TeaPotters just blackmail the entire country to get 100% of what they want without giving on anything. Not exactly how things have been done for the previous 200 years.

    TaxedEnough
    Enough is correct. What are these failed Obama programs. What money is HE spending since HE does not make the budget. “Ever program he has tried” WHAT are they. He is more inline with Nixon and Reagon than he is with the traditional Democratic Party. The RepubliCONS are so far to the right that they can’t even SEE the middle. Nixon and Reagon would be challenged by Tea
    Potters if they were aroung today. My God, they actually compromised and even recognized that taxes sometimes had to go up. My God, the very idea!!!

  12. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Crap- 60 people out of the 435 representatives “blackmailed the entire country”? How does that work? So you do not want the minority party to have any vote? The liberal way of compromising.

    And now your excuse for Obama is that is he does nothing? Funny, he is on tv about 16 hours a day pushing some partisan agenda. I believe the republicans wished he did nothing as you proposed.

  13. xx98411 says:

    hard to believe newscrap but both sides did “compromised”

    one side did not
    (1) get the balanced budget amendment vote as a condition to raise the debt limit (it is a promise to vote)
    (2) the cuts are not immediate
    (3) the debt limit is raised
    (4) the cuts are less than the debt raised

    The other side did not get the taxes raised like they wanted but they did get the debt limit increased to beyond the election cycle (they wanted that bad… real bad)

    Blackmail huh?

  14. Gordon, thank you for your service. Regarding your post you are spot on. The national debt (credit card charges) is $14.5 trillion. The Obama administration owes $4.0 trillion of this total. Even though defense spending has dropped, continuation of the ‘big business and mega banks bailout processes’ begun by the Bush administration plus increased spending programs for extending unemployment benefits due to big business using NAFTA as a reward to move offshore are the biggest contributors. Since President Reagan was President, there have been no tax increases to offset the debt or spending. The ‘big business trickle down theory’ flopped for American jobs. The top .01% of households now earn an average of $27M annually, while the bottom 90% of households make an average of $31K a year. The profoundly distorted tax policies allowing major corporations to utilize loop holes to pay zero taxes are similar to the distortions that occurred in French society between 1680 and 1780 when the wealth distribution profile looked just like modern day USA. Drought followed by crop failures over the next thirty years plus taxation of the middle class to support the ‘aristocracy” resulted in the effective destruction of the French middle class in the 1780s. Those crop failures led to hunger among people who had not known famine for generations. Is history repeating itself, this time in America? Back in the 1700’s, the result was the French Revolution. Did we just witness a modern day revolution in America with the debt debacle or is more coming?

  15. theglovesRoff says:

    Man, that post reminded me of the tuddo of the past and menopaws of current. One doesn’t have an enter key, and the other finally found one.

    Hmm

    Maybe I will get an email from the moderator?

  16. KARDNOS says:

    From what I see, the Democrats won the battle – which doesn’t speak too much for Boehner’s leadership of the majority of the House.

  17. KARDNOS says:

    “stetsonwalker says:
    August 1, 2011 at 5:05 pm
    If Chevron is going to hire here, we need to let them drill here! ”

    yeah….let’s see if we can foul the Puget Sound. No…wait…foul the rivers and let it flow to the Sound. Might was well do it right.

  18. KARDNOS says:

    “sozo says:
    August 1, 2011 at 5:03 pm
    You’d like to rekindle something…anything…to get people to look away from the current debacle Kardnos. Let’s not.”

    “current debacle”?????????

    I thought the Republicans were in control? Can’t they make Congress work with a House Majority and a filibuster in the Senate?

  19. taxedenoughintacoma says:

    newscrap, here is the list of obama failures you wanted.

    1. stimulus bill – not a jobs bill but a democratic payback bill
    2. gm take over – gm had to eventually declare bankruptcy
    3. cash for clunkers – cost 3 times more than original estimate
    4. no real support from other countries in wars
    5. lack of proper vetting
    6. tax cheats in his admin
    7. socialist in his admin
    8. allowing radical racist communist in his admin – van jones
    9. predicted 8% unemployment..now at 9.8%
    10. no olympics for chicago – turned out to be a big ego trip instead
    11. making race relations worse – (stupidly comment- professor gates)
    12. fly over photo op in new york – scared new yorkers
    13. selling out other nations by removing missile defense
    14. constantly campaigning
    15. letting pelosi and reid write bills
    16. allowing lobbyist when he said he wouldn’t
    17. lack of transparency
    18. multiple czars with no accountability
    19. lying about details of his healthcare reform bill – YOU LIE!!!
    20. attempt to take over census
    21. undecided about giving military what they need to win
    22. putting caps on corporate pay
    23. refusal to investigate black panthers
    24. association with acorn
    25. investigating CIA
    26. refuse to honor national day of prayer
    27. worldwide apology tour
    28. willing to bend over to our enemies while giving our allies the shaft
    29. lack of support for israel
    30. supporting a dictator in honduras
    31. took too long to speak out against violence against voters in Iran
    32. closing gitmo without a plan
    33. getting the NEA to produce propaganda art for his agenda
    34. firing inspector general for investigating his friends at americorp
    35. shutting down voucher program in DC for poor school kids
    36. firing the head of gm
    37. lied about putting bills online for 5 days
    38. allowing unions large share in businesses taken over by government
    39. intimidating businessmen (I’m only thing standing between you and the pitch forks)
    40. allowing his admin to threaten shareholders during bankruptcy of car dealers
    41. spending more than any president in history
    42. raised the deficit 3 times the amount it was last year
    43. bailout of fannie and freddie
    44. will not be able to repay tarp money to taxpayers as promised
    45. creating a trade war with china & mexico
    46. devaluing the dollar all over the world because of massive debt & spending
    47. allowing u.s. to become in debt to foreign countries
    48. class warfare uproar over AIG bonuses but silent about bonuses for fanny & freddie

    shall I go on????

  20. Taxed,
    The people who are destroying our country are the corporations and their lapdog republicons who have been sending our jobs overseas allowing those same companies to sell their forgien made goods here as if they were made here by American Workers.

    Misunderstood,
    When it comes to the workings of the Senate Rubio is less well informed than a former half-governor.
    1.The Senate does not create the budget – Only the House can do that.
    2.The reason the Senate had not passed a budget for fy-2011 was because the republicons in the Senate filibustered it.

  21. menopaws says:

    both sides lost–both sides won……….But, there was blood on the floor and it was sooooo ugly that lots of people just want all of them to shut up and go away……….It is very hard to say–but, Congress made America look just awful, petty and mean-spirited to the rest of the world…….both parties should hang their heads in shame. They behaved worse than my three year old grandson, who seems to know when the temper tantrum is pushed beyond normal boundaries…….Not this crowd—whining, lying, name calling is all they seem to have real expertise in….the economy—buy each one of them an abacus and pray!!! Idiots!

  22. theglovesRoff says:

    Typical -ring response….Get some new talking points…..

  23. theglovesRoff says:

    That is hilarious!!! I was going to make a comment about “the paws”, and it showed up like clockwork before I even had a chance.

    Kooky (sorry LF)

  24. KARDNOS says:

    taxed – where’s the source of your copy/paste?

  25. ItalianSpring says:

    That’s worth a repost-

    the list of obama failures you wanted.

    1. stimulus bill – not a jobs bill but a democratic payback bill
    2. gm take over – gm had to eventually declare bankruptcy
    3. cash for clunkers – cost 3 times more than original estimate
    4. no real support from other countries in wars
    5. lack of proper vetting
    6. tax cheats in his admin
    7. socialist in his admin
    8. allowing radical racist communist in his admin – van jones
    9. predicted 8% unemployment..now at 9.8%
    10. no olympics for chicago – turned out to be a big ego trip instead
    11. making race relations worse – (stupidly comment- professor gates)
    12. fly over photo op in new york – scared new yorkers
    13. selling out other nations by removing missile defense
    14. constantly campaigning
    15. letting pelosi and reid write bills
    16. allowing lobbyist when he said he wouldn’t
    17. lack of transparency
    18. multiple czars with no accountability
    19. lying about details of his healthcare reform bill – YOU LIE!!!
    20. attempt to take over census
    21. undecided about giving military what they need to win
    22. putting caps on corporate pay
    23. refusal to investigate black panthers
    24. association with acorn
    25. investigating CIA
    26. refuse to honor national day of prayer
    27. worldwide apology tour
    28. willing to bend over to our enemies while giving our allies the shaft
    29. lack of support for israel
    30. supporting a dictator in honduras
    31. took too long to speak out against violence against voters in Iran
    32. closing gitmo without a plan
    33. getting the NEA to produce propaganda art for his agenda
    34. firing inspector general for investigating his friends at americorp
    35. shutting down voucher program in DC for poor school kids
    36. firing the head of gm
    37. lied about putting bills online for 5 days
    38. allowing unions large share in businesses taken over by government
    39. intimidating businessmen (I’m only thing standing between you and the pitch forks)
    40. allowing his admin to threaten shareholders during bankruptcy of car dealers
    41. spending more than any president in history
    42. raised the deficit 3 times the amount it was last year
    43. bailout of fannie and freddie
    44. will not be able to repay tarp money to taxpayers as promised
    45. creating a trade war with china & mexico
    46. devaluing the dollar all over the world because of massive debt & spending
    47. allowing u.s. to become in debt to foreign countries
    48. class warfare uproar over AIG bonuses but silent about bonuses for fanny & freddie

  26. KARDNOS says:

    “theglovesRoff says:
    August 1, 2011 at 7:21 pm
    Man, that post reminded me of the tuddo of the past and menopaws of current.

    menopaws says:
    August 1, 2011 at 8:16 pm
    both sides lost–both sides won

    theglovesRoff says:
    August 1, 2011 at 8:23 pm
    That is hilarious!!! I was going to make a comment about “the paws”, and it showed up like clockwork before I even had a chance.

    Sort of like one of those TEA Party signs that says “keep the government out of my medicare”

  27. KARDNOS says:

    the funniest part about the copy/paste is that half the items are false and the other half are opinion.

  28. KARDNOS says:

    “What’s the difference between James O’Keefe, who made national headlines with his ACORN undercover video, and ACORN? O’Keefe is a criminal and ACORN is not. Yesterday O’Keefe pleaded guilty to charges of entering federal property under false pretenses when he attempted to embarrass Senator Mary Landrieu because of her support for the health care legislation. O’Keefe, along with three co-defendants, said their goal was to show that the Senator’s office phones were working, yet people opposed to health care reform could not get through to register their opinions. He was sentenced to three years probation, 100 hours of community service, and a $1,500 fine.

    Despite numerous official investigations and innuendos by the extremists, like Republicans Rep. Darrell Issa (CA), the Ranking Republican on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, ACORN has never been convicted of a crime. Issa released a report in 2009 falsely accusing ACORN of hiding “behind a paper wall of nonprofit corporate protections to conceal a criminal conspiracy … to manipulate the American electorate.”

    Hmmmmmm……

  29. KARDNOS says:

    Does anyone happen to notice that the Republicans didn’t get their way?

  30. mattersnot1 says:

    xring,
    .
    Why do you think that big businesses are only owned by republicans?

  31. xx98411 says:

    karnos – just wanted to say hi and let the TNT guys know that I am a team player. If I may and with your permission some feedback on your many very interesting post…

    I guess if you could elaborate on some of your post that would help with the discourse. I am certain from past experience that you have alot to offer this fine blog.

    An example would be in one post you state the Democrats “won” in another you state the Republicans didn’t get their way. It appears that their is a bias for the Democrats. In the interest of TNT spirit and community if you could elaborate on why you believe the Democrats are victorious in this contentious debt and debt ceiling debate.

    Looking forward to your views. Thank you for your time.

  32. newscrap says:

    italianspring and taxedenough
    Your list is a joke. And yes, the TeaPotters blackmailed the country. Fortunately there were enough RepubliCONS with the courage to risk the ire of the Teapotters in the next election.

  33. alindasue says:

    ItalianSpring said, “That’s worth a repost-”

    Unless you have something to add to add to taxedenoughintacoma’s post – such as maybe information on a source that would substantiate his list perhaps – there was really no point in reposting his list a mere three posts down from the original.

  34. ClamDigger says:

    The Tea Party challenged the reckless spending of Congress in a dramatic way. A 2011 CNN Poll conducted July 18-21 reported 74% of Americans now favor a Balanced Budget Amendment showing conservatives, independents and liberals alike see the need to reign in the government spending more than it takes in.

    But by standing strong on principles that the founding fathers would agree with, and on which they were elected to office by their constituents, they are characterized as “terrorists” by VP Biden and some in the media. Sadly, there are those on this forum who agree with that characterization. This exemplifies how perverted progressives are in their ideology.

    The Tea Party gives the Marxist Totalitarians and their “social justice” cheerleaders true cause for concern in that they have much to fear in the November 2012 election.

  35. ItalianSpring says:

    Opinions are like armpits alindasue.

  36. aislander says:

    ACORN itself may never have been convicted (and won’t be unless the organization’s aliases are mentioned in the charges), but ACORN people certainly have…

  37. KARDNOS says:

    xx – there is a difference between being victorious and percieving a loss

    Enjoy the blog.

  38. KARDNOS says:

    “ClamDigger says:
    August 2, 2011 at 7:00 am
    The Tea Party challenged the reckless spending of Congress in a dramatic way. A 2011 CNN Poll conducted July 18-21 reported 74% of Americans now favor a Balanced Budget Amendment showing conservatives, independents and liberals alike see the need to reign in the government spending more than it takes in.”

    So…….when the next Cowboy In Chief decides he wants to attack a country that had done nothing to us, the balanced budget amendment would not allow him to spend that money?????

  39. aislander says:

    I was completely unaware of Obama’s cowboy roots until he got us into Libya…

  40. aislander says:

    Things have changed so much that, when referring to the president, I didn’t have to capitalize the personal pronoun in my preceding post…

  41. scott0962 says:

    I enjoyed the comparison to pre-revolutionary France. I wonder if we have any working guillotines and tumbrils in museums. “A bas les politiciens!”

  42. lawrencejprice says:

    As near as I can tell nothing was accomplished by Congress. The debt is still rising. There have been no cuts to anything, supposed cuts aren’t affective until next year. The only thing Congress accomplished was to shovel the whole steaming pile off to an unnamed committee, whose mandate is to offer up something after the next elections. Nice job, I wish I could make that kind of money and free health care for life just to sit on my butt and cry. The job Congress is suppose to do is to run the country, the presidents job is to lead the country. So far all I see all around me is total failure to even grasp even the simple concepts required for those positions. Guess who I’m voting for this time around? Hint, if the position includes the words incumbent, insert the word NO!

  43. KARDNOS says:

    Oh I see….our involvement in Libya is the equivilant to Iraq….

    New talking point for the Conservatives, if it can be made into three words.

  44. Obama’s errors are many,
    Bush’s and the Rpots have but two
    They destroyed our country, and
    sold the rest for scrap.

    Glovers,
    If you are so sure that those are talking points -prove me wrong.

  45. Mattersnot,
    I never said all businesses are owned by republicans.
    I said the republicans were owned by the corporations.

    ClamDigger,
    IMO: it’s the Republicons that should fear the Tpots – look what happened in the NY-26th.
    Islander,
    How many Americans have been killed or wounded in Libya?

    Lawrencejprice,
    Maybe things would improve if the Rpot House would pass a budget rather than massive radical social engineering bills.

    To all – a good compromise often leaves both sides feeling the other side got too much.

  46. Roncella says:

    Taxenoughintacoma, Its amusing that the libs and dems. who disagree with your long long list of mistakes by Obama, Reid, Pelosi and the dems. and establishment republicans don’t defend their heros President Obama or Reid or Pelosi are Schumer, Dick Durban, Barbara Boxer, Maxine Waters, Charlie Rangel, Barney Frank, Al Frankin, Debbie Shultz Wasserman, what a list of losers and its almost endless.

    Its long overdue for democrats to clean their house and retire the folks that have destroyed the democratic party, with their social engineering, income re-distributing plans, far left goals for America.

  47. menopaws says:

    Once again–let’s talk about this letter…and the writer…….I am guilty of this myself, but talking points and spin, still don’t address what the writer was talking about. He was talking about government that worked, government that was responsive to it’s citizens. And, sadly, he is correct. We don’t have that. Paying attention to the powerful lobbyists with all their cash to spread around is the name of the game. And, like him—it makes me sad. We really have sold off the soul of this country and I fear we will play hell trying to get it back.

  48. LarryFine says:

    “Once upon a time…” Fairy tale much ?

  49. O J Simpson wasn’t convicted of murder either Kardnos.

    The Tea Party functioned as a light…the kind that exposes dirt caught in the corners that has been there for years. Time to clean the house!

  50. “Roncella says:
    August 2, 2011 at 10:03 am
    Taxenoughintacoma, Its amusing that the libs and dems. who disagree with your long long list of mistakes by Obama”

    It’s not “disagreeing”, Roncella….it’s refuting the lies. For example:

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/prayerday.asp

    None of us have the time, nor do we want to waste the space to “refute” a list that was copied and pasted, of ridiculous claims. Just the credibility of the “prayer day” lie is enough to tell you that the list is bogus.

    No amount of list of names of Democrats on your part will substantiate the lies on that list.

  51. “sozo says:
    August 2, 2011 at 11:03 am
    O J Simpson wasn’t convicted of murder either Kardnos.

    The Tea Party functioned as a light…the kind that exposes dirt caught in the corners that has been there for years. Time to clean the house!”

    If the TEA Party is such a beacon of leadership, why do they follow the most hypocritical people in Washington DC – Bachmann for starters.

    Once you get past your slogans and hyperbole, you’ll have to address the fact that the TEA Party is as much hypocritical as any other of the politicians.

  52. By the way, sozo….are you making the assertion that ACORN ….IS…..guilty of something? Please…spit it out and don’t just hide behind the baseless assertions/falsehoods.

  53. xx98411 says:

    xx – there is a difference between being victorious and percieving a loss.

    soooo, you got nothing… okie dokie, moving on…

  54. xx98411 says:

    So…….when the next Cowboy In Chief decides he wants to attack a country that had done nothing to us, the balanced budget amendment would not allow him to spend that money?????

    Did you read the proposed legislation, their is a provision for that as well as other contigencies.

  55. KARDNOS says:

    Yeah…I read it. Now they can take partisan sides on “emergency”.

    Let me guess….protecting an oil company – emergency

    Protecting the environment from an oil company – not an emergency.

    That is the tactic to date.

  56. xx98411 says:

    Let me guess….protecting an oil company – emergency

    Protecting the environment from an oil company – not an emergency.

    Neither one whould be classified as an emergency for the purpose of a authorizing an expenditure over the balanced budget.

    That is the tactic to date.

    It must and will change, our futre depends on just that. Be it Democrat or Republican… it must and will change…

  57. xx98411 says:

    Yeah…I read it. Now they can take partisan sides on “emergency”.

    On second thought… if you read it then why the statement above… it just add to the partisan bloviating and is not helpful.

  58. Currently there are 433 voting Representatives in the house (there should be 435 but we appear to be missing 2) so it takes 217 votes to pass a bill.
    There are currently 240 Republicans and Tea Party members in the House.
    Those the mob of 60 was able to force Boehner to push bills that were so far to the right the bills were DOA at the Senate.

  59. aislander says:

    Tiresome though it is to point this out, W DID go to Congress for the okay to go into Iraq AND Afghanistan. Lefties deny that he got it. I think he did. Whatever! Obama didn’t ask Congress ANYTHING before going into Libya. I imagine most people in Congress found out about our involvement on Fox News (nobody watches anything else…). You can try running the NATO mission flag up the pole, but talk about flimsy plausible deniability…

  60. LarryFine says:

    “so far to the right” … such as ?

  61. aislander says:

    LarryFine: It occurs to me that lefties have been calling us “terrorists” because we want government to live within its means, and, perhaps, leave us taxpayers with a little bit to live on, too. I think we should start calling the lefties (such as one prominent poster, who keep asking if we should cut this program or that) crybabies, because that’s seems to be their response to the very real need to cut spending…

  62. concernedtacoma7 says:

    I think greedy is a better term.

    We are becoming a society of producers and takers. The greedy left wants what the producers make, with all sorts of excuses why they should get it for nothing.

  63. aislander says:

    I agree, concerned, that greed resides on the left, along with envy. Isn’t that already two out of seven? Or is gluttony synonymous with greed?

  64. I’m sure there is nothing pure about the tea party folks in DC, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t on to something with regard to the way things have been done heretofore.

    As for ACORN, I’m sure they are lilly white Kardnos. Just like Planned Parenthood…no corruption or impurities there.

  65. aislander says:

    Nope. Greed is one of the seven all on its own…

  66. aislander says:

    BTW: I don’t believe that wanting to control how the fruit of one’s efforts is distributed is greedy. Using government to take the fruits of the efforts of others to distribute as YOU want is greedy–and the offspring of envy…

  67. Why to the Rpots need a Constitutional Amendment to balance the budget?

    Are they so incompetent that they cannot do so on their own?

    Islander,
    ‘flimsy plausible deniability’ – like all the war hawk righties who were in favor of air strikes until Obama authorized them?

    Righties are called tangos because they want to destroy American and turn it into a Corporate Oligarchy.

    We are fast become a nation of wage slaves where only the ‘upper class’ has and everybody else indentured servitude.

    Greed – an excessive or rapacious desire for wealth or possessions with the intention to keep it for one’s self.

    Sure sounds more right wing than progressive

  68. geeterpontiac says:

    “xring says:”

    “Greed – an excessive or rapacious desire for wealth or possessions with the intention to keep it for one’s self”

    Well, if you worked for it, isn’t it yours to do with as you pleased? After all, you earned it.

    Why else would anyone work?

    This is one of the primary problems with liberals/progressives. They want to decide how everyone else should spend their money.

    The bottom line is, it isn’t your money or wealth.

    “Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the nation because the people were so poor. Now we are told we must collectivize the nation because the people are so rich.”

    William F. Buckley, Jr.

  69. aislander says:

    xring–dude–you’re beginning to sound a little strident…

  70. aislander says:

    xring writes: “We are fast become a nation of wage slaves where only the ‘upper class’ has and everybody else indentured servitude.”

    Well, I think we agree about the result, but I doubt we are concordant as to the cause. I KNOW the reason it is difficult to rise out of the middle class is confiscatory taxation. It once was possible (as I have posted elsewhere, I know) to be frugal, invest wisely, and accumulate enough wealth to live off the proceeds (ONE of my definitions of “rich”), but now, with tax rates where they are*, that is nearly impossible…

    *I am talking about effective tax rates, so don’t give me that 70% or 91% nonsense…

  71. LarryFine says:

    Surley out of his ability to comprehend Ai.

    Have you noticed the broken record he keeps posting about a balanced budget amendment ? Funny how soon they forget how their former first black prez. signed the balanced budget amendment (over the crybaby lefties in the house and senate) that was crafted by the rpots.

    Heck, Bill J. Clinton still takes credit for that one…

  72. the3rdpigshouse says:

    Gordon – the USA of yesteryear has gone the way of flushing itself down the socialist democrat toilet and the future looks somewhat dim!! If the electorate can extract its head out of the toilet long enough to seek other than identification as some kind of dependent class of people, we may have a chance!!

  73. MarksonofDarwin says:

    ai,

    I like your definition of “rich”.
    I’m not so sure that the tax rates are going to be the thing to worry about if you want to live comfortably.

    Inflation is…and that is the biggest threat to our country.

    If one has worked hard and managed to squirrel away even a modest nest-egg, they will be in for a big surprise. Inflation mostly affects those who save, and to my mind is far and away a more pressing matter than this false dilemma of raising some arbitrary debt “ceiling” ever was.

  74. menopaws says:

    Every Republican bows to the memory of Ronald Reagan. The Republican president who truly nailed it—gets so little attention. Dwight Eisenhower warned this country about the explosion of the “military-industrial complex” and it’s power to subvert Democracy. We vote for Pentagon projects based on “pork”, whose district gets the jobs—not pure need…….The Cold War brought us this devotion to power and force. As long as we continue to be addicted to it—our economy will be devoted to feeding the beast. And, that is sad. The General saw the traps and we still climbed into them.

  75. beerBoy says:

    f you go back to the 1940s, here’s what you discover, that the federal government got 50 percent more money year after year from corporations than it did from individuals. For every dollar that individuals paid in income tax, corporations paid $1.50. If you compare that to today, here are the numbers. For every dollar that individuals pay to the federal government, corporations pay 25 cents.

  76. Geeter
    So Al Capone has a right to his ill-gotten gains?

    L-F,
    Wrong again, as usual.

    Obama signed a bill that required Congress to debate a balanced budget amendment.

    But, the President does not have the power or authority to compel Congress to do so and is expected to veto any such bill should in make it to his desk.

  77. MarksonofDarwin says:

    bB,

    There will be tax increases (or closing of “loopholes”) coming from this newly formed coalition in January….I’d put money on it.
    The caveat?
    It won’t be until January 2013.

    As much as the Obama administration and the Democrats in congress are squealing about this how this “deal” raises no new “revenue” (read: taxes) they did not want those increases to happen during an election year.

    As much as the Republicans in congress are preening that no new taxes were added in this “deal”, the federal budget increases, and we continue to spend more than we take in every year. They are hiding this fact by the trumpeting of “we won” on the issue of no new taxes.

    So…taxes are going up for everybody. There is no other way. There are not enough “rich” people, and even adding a modest tax on the “poor” will not be enough.
    Higher taxes were written on the wall the instant that TARP was signed.

    We have to do this, because otherwise, if we continue the way we are, the dominance of the dollar as the world reserve currency will be replaced by a different country’s currency. In fact…that may be inevitable regardless of what we do. When/if that happens look for the world market to dump their huge reserves of dollars onto the market and watch as there is a huge jump in inflation for our country and severely eroded buying power for the average American.

    How do you like those “planned economies” now?

  78. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, I’m a little late responding to your post above about the list of folks I listed as being losers who have actually damaged the once great democratic party, but how could you want to be associated with the likes of them, its sickening to even think about for me. Thank God I don’t have to defend them and what they stand for.

    I will repeat just a few of them here Again for your viewing pleasure, Nancy Pelosi, barbara boxer, maxine waters, al frankin, chuck schumer, barney frank, charlie rangel, dick durban, reid, VP Biden, john edwards, clinton, and it almost endless so I’ll stop here.

  79. Islander,
    What you call strident I call banging the drum slowly.

  80. aislander says:

    beerBoy writes: “f you go back to the 1940s…you discover, that the federal government got 50 percent more money…from corporations than…from individuals…For every dollar that individuals [now] pay to the federal government, corporations pay 25 cents.”

    Subchapter S corporations did not exist in the 1940s, so income that would have then been taxed as corporate is now taxed as individual…

  81. aislander says:

    Roncella: There is a truism about Democrats and the rest of the spectrum of lefties, no matter how they label themselves: you cannot embarrass a Democrat to his left.

    That means that having socialists or communists in the lefty coalition does not bother more “main stream” lefties. However, lefties expect us to be embarrassed to our right, even by association with factions that are not properly placed on the right, but are, in fact, of the left…

  82. theglovesRoff says:

    Kardopaws, you want “jobs jobs jobs” as promised by Joe and Obama (every time there is a stock market crash). Cutting defenses is going to add to Obama’s unemployment numbers and add to his “I am another Carter times 2″ status. But go ahead, cut away.

  83. LarryFine says:

    Yep, “he’s the one we’ve been waiting for” alright… now we just have to figure out who the “we” is…

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