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BOEING: We can’t keep waiting for ‘trickle down’ to happen

Letter by Matt Condit, Gig Harbor on July 18, 2011 at 1:23 pm with 25 Comments »
July 18, 2011 2:17 pm

Re: “Worker should be grateful just to have a job” (letter, 7-17).

I sometimes feel lucky that I’m bald as there are letters in your paper that would make me tear my hair out if I had any. One recent example is this one in which the writer applauds Boeing for moving to a state that offers cheaper labor.

She goes on to state that people working at Boeing and other middle-class jobs are the ones who have led to our current economic mess.

The Republicans have been particularly artful the past 30 years in getting the have little or have nothings to vote against their own interests by attacking the have just enoughs. I don’t care if the Republicans can be great job creators if the jobs they create pay $10 per hour.

The writer can keep waiting for the “trickle down” for another 30 years, when she’ll be complaining about the $20 per hour paid to Boeing workers. I, as well as my son and daughter, don’t want to have to wait with her.

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  1. Great letter Matt, I fear however that thopse on the right will never again understand the real world in which they live, they have turned themselves over to the party and will only see\say\hear and parrot what the party tells them, no matter how radical.

  2. concernedtacoma7 says:

    What Matt and xring fail to acknowledge is how far to the left the country has moved over the last 100 years. There have been some small steps back toward the right (Reagan), but the rest of our modern history has seen us moving closer to a european model of big government and excessive entitlements.

    Government does not create jobs in the private sector or regulate wages (with the exception of our job killing minimum wage). They can set conditions to promote trade and economic activity, or restrict it. We have done nothing but restrict and impede business in America for years through over regulation and taxation.

    We were founded as a society based on individual freedoms and responsibility. Free market capitalism is what made this nation the economic powerhouse it was and can be.

    The people who have put us in the current mess are the ones who forced banks to lend to people who could not afford the houses they were buying. The people that put us in this mess are the ones who did not pass a budget for over 800 days because they were jamming an idiological agenda down the throats of the average American.

    If you ran a large corporation, why would you want to produce a product in Washington vs South Carolina or Texas? You can produce it cheaper without the distraction and stoppages caused by unions. Business is not charity. They exist only to provide wealth to their stakeholders.

  3. ConcernedinTacoma? Why would you want to make a widget here in the USA and pay the workers a living wage when you can go abroad and have an eight year old kid make it for 10-cents a day? That’s GREAT business and wonderful for Capitalist profits! Not to mention, the people who put us in this mess gave loans to people and then turned around and bet against the loan- cried over lost profits and begged for trillions in government bailout. If Capitalism is SO great then how come we are still in this mess?! In short, if you want to support true Capitalism and hate the unions/ and living wages then feel free to go to China and live in a shoe box corporate apartment shared with four other workers, make $2 a day and work 18 hour days so that the corporate American mega rich ceo capitalists can make their profits and trickle it down.

  4. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Frida- in a the socialist utopia you dream of who innovates? What is their inspiration to excel? A country we knew as the USSR tried your model. Worked out great. China did not become a true economic force until they moved toward capitalism. Thank you for the great example of capitalism improving a society.

    I will not move to China. I will stay here. I will work, save, invest and compete to get to the top. If I fail, I will get up, with the assistance of family, and try again. I will stay here and vote for those who support the worker, productivity, and those who pay taxes.

  5. Concerned,
    Before we tried regulating capitalism we tried unregulated capitalism:
    10 to 12 hour work days,
    6 day work week,
    No vacation, no benefits,
    Child labor, etc etc
    AND you want your children and grand children to go back to that?

  6. concernedtacoma7 says:

    I will tell you that I do not fear hardwork for my grandkids or myself. Someone has to be at the bottom, someone at the top. You want to excel, go to school, stay off drugs, do not have kids until you can afford them, work summers, weekends, and hustle. Join the service if it moves you.

    You picture an executive sitting behind a desk for 6 hours a day, playing golf, jetting off to a private island, and generally living the life of luxury. The truth would surprise you. They work 10-12 hours a day. They do have some benefits, but earned them throughout a lifetime of exceeding the work of their peers. I

    ts 2011 in America, greater than 85% of millionaires earned their money, not inherited.

    I never claimed to be a libertarian. Government has a role, and even the most hardcore libertarians have not come out and advocated for child labor.

    Nice bait, no bite. Well, you somehow drew me into a debate on child labor. I guess I bite your deflection bait.

    Answer this question from a CEO’s perspective- If you ran a large corporation, why would you want to produce a product in Washington vs South Carolina or Texas?

  7. madmike272 says:

    Boeing should move lock and stock to another state that doesn’t try to run off industry and business. Leave washington to the tree hugging leftists.

  8. commoncents says:

    Answer this question from a CEO’s perspective- If you ran a large corporation, why would you want to produce a product in Washington vs South Carolina or Texas?

    —–

    Because the product is dependent upon skilled labor that happens to reside in this state. Because the labor costs in SC will eventually rise to the level that they are currently in WA State…perhaps before the company can recoup losses that accrued while the lessor skilled workers were still learning their craft.

    The days of Rosie the Riveter are long gone…building an airplane takes skill and training. Something the folks in SC and Texas just don’t have enough of (right now). Look – one of the reasons the company is still doing well is the 737 program…it’s efficient, cheap, and a big profit maker. Most importantly it achieves all of t his with *gasp* union labor.

    I don’t fault them for building a second line in another state. To me it makes good strategic sense…but I’m not going to sit here and say they are doing it to save money on non-union labor. That’s probably one of the least important reasons.

  9. You picture an executive sitting behind a desk for 6 hours a day, playing golf, jetting off to a private island, and generally living the life of luxury. The truth would surprise you. They work 10-12 hours a day. They do have some benefits, but earned them throughout a lifetime of exceeding the work of their peers.

    And if you work in the military, you probably don’t know what takes place in the business world.

  10. Roncella says:

    Matt look around and ask yourself why are so many companies moving over seas and to southern states ? Its to save money and make more profit so their companies can expand and grow etc. Profit should not be considered a dirty word, its what makes everything worth while, the risk, the investment, the future success of a Company.

    Look at detroit for example. The Unions and big government ruined both detroit and the auto industry in America today. Detroit is one big slum, a place where no one wants to live or work.

    Years ago Unions were needed in some industries to regulate working standards and pay and benefits to bring fairness to employee’s and their families.

    Now as most Public Sector Unions grow and become stronger and more entangled with City and State Governments note all the states and cities that are bankrupt or near bankruptcy because of out of control spending and huge union contracts forcing cities and states into bankruptcy.

  11. “What Matt and xring fail to acknowledge is how far to the left the country has moved over the last 100 years.”

    Thats becasue thinking people, know what you claim, moving to the left, is panetly false.

  12. “Its to save money and make more profit so their companies can expand and grow etc”

    Thing is roncella, they aren’t doing that, they are taking the profits out as income becaseu it’s being taxed at such and increadably low rate.
    Raise the rate and they will reinvest, they have to.
    it’s economics 101, why can’t you rightists ever understand it?

  13. Roncella says:

    xtp855, Take a ride through the City of Detroit. Just be careful to and keep your doors locked as you do. Do not stop for anything unless you absolutely have to gas up or whatever. Its very dangerous.

    Detroit is a great example of the Liberal utopia, and what is left when the untrust worthy back room dealing politicians join hands with Union Boses and the Federal Government cronies and strangle the life out of a once Great and prosperous City like Detroit was.

    There are a few other cities not far behind Detroit in terrible living conditions, violent crimes, rundown neighborhoods, to dangerous to clean up and all the rest. They usually have a democratic Mayor and city government.

    Its sad but true the feel good politics some liberals believe in, Just doesn’t Work.

    Every dollar the Federal Government gives out has to be taken from productive and hard working tax payers and re-distributed as they see fit.

  14. concernedtacoma7 says:

    XTP- while this is not definitive, a good discussion point in America’s shift left

    http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/09/19/actually-the-country-is-moving-to-the-left/

  15. roncela you have posted that garbage before, it meant nothing the first 10 times and means even less now.
    You want redistirbution? You’ve had it for the last 30 years, all your money and all the middle class money is now in the hands of the top 5%. You voted for it, you cried for it, you prayed for, now you’ve got it…..hows it working out?
    Open your eyes roncella, open them and look at the reality of your party and the damage they have done.
    30 years is all the cons took to bring down the greatest nation on earth.

    Concerned, your use of op-eds is……amuzing at best but in the end a real waste of time.
    You do know what op-ed stands for don’t you?
    And really a blog? You would do better using wiki.

  16. concernedtacoma7 says:

    XTP- very immature response. I acknowledged the article was not definitive, but the 4 points brought up by the author (citing govt sources of info, pew, etc) are quite valid.

    Keep your eyes shut and hope all the voters do too. Luckily America is seeing what has happened over the last 2 years and are hoping for “change”. 2010 was a nice wake call ignored by the left.

  17. Boy howdy have we ever became liberal.

    More people now approve of interracial and same sex marriage than disapprove.

    The gender income gap has declined.

    Approval for marijuana legalization has gone from 16% to 41%.

    Federal spending for ‘Public Sector Investment’ is at the highest percentage of GDP ever obatained.

    WE THE PEOPLE now have more personal liberty and the Government is less involved in our lives (Items 1 & 2).

    Item 3 is still open to discussion as to merits.

    Item 4. With the highest population in our history and a declining GDP this is not surprising.

    All I can say is What would life under Big Brother Conservacon rule be like if they oppses items 1 & 2.

  18. Conserned, posting an op-ed from a far right blog and attempting to get others to accept it as some sort of ‘proof’ of your baseless opinion is what is ‘immature’.
    Looking at your laughable blog posting by some unkown clown (idiot) it’s hard to not laugh out loud!
    The points he used have been posted already and any serious adult would look at them and his speculation and conclusions and……..chuckle and then move on to more well thought out and better written, less partison and far less stupid ‘blogs’ for thier entertainment.

    Nice try though, at some point you are simply going to have to move past op-eds and join the adults.

  19. concernedtacoma7 says:

    wow are you whining like a little kid. Your weak tactic of deflecting against a source vs commenting on content is old and boring.

    Look back up at my original post- discussion point. Xring might have answered with a little sarcasm but at least provided an opinion and contributed to a discussion.

  20. LOL!!
    Whining?
    I point out how you consitantly post opinion as fact and Iam whing?
    Nice try.

  21. Roncella says:

    Concerntacoma, xtp855 is hooked on Obama KoolAid. Nothing you say can change his way of thinking on any issue being discussed.

  22. aislander says:

    concerned, Roncella: You are taking seriously the unserious. I can’t recommend that wholeheartedly…

  23. Roncella says:

    xtp855, I have not attacked you. Your comments are so far left its almost impossible to ignore them.

    I would say you are happy and content living in your liberal/dem fish tank. Its not the real World but its your liberal world and it makes you happy.

    The rest of us actually live in the real World, and so we go on trying to help folks like you who need abit more oxygen before you can join the rest of us in the Real World.

  24. The rest of us actually live in the real World,

    ron – there are more than a few assertions you have made that aren’t reality based – I don’t think you are the best person to assess what the “real World” is.

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