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DEBT: Let’s come together as one nation

Letter by Donna J. Greenway, Shelton on July 18, 2011 at 12:55 pm with 94 Comments »
July 18, 2011 2:25 pm

I have listened to the politicians and read letters from people on the subject of the debt ceiling and the budget. I think instead of all this angst and bickering that we need to come together as a nation and solve this problem. It affects everyone, both rich and poor, Democrat or Republican.

We are so divided as a nation that we cannot get anything done. We are one nation, one people, and we should leave all the animosity and anger and start working together as one to fix the problems our country is having. Stop worrying about partisan politics and start worrying about the country as a whole.

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  1. aislander says:

    I agree that we as nation need to do something–fast–about our debt, but it has to be the RIGHT thing, and the right thing is NOT a tax increase. That would only make the situation worse. This battle matters, and we shouldn’t cave on our principles simply to make unengaged voters feel comfortable…

  2. redneckbuck says:

    Next time a liberal complains about conservatives not wanting to increase the debt limit, remind them that Obama voted no on the increase when Bush was President.

  3. Rolling back the tax cuts on the top 2% and closing a bunch of loop holes inserted by the republicans as give aways to their owners will not harn the economy, no matter what the chicken littles will scream.
    We need to balance the economy and for the last 30 years it has been waaaaay too top heavy, time for the middle to stand up and demand fairness!

    Stop being a slave to the super rich and the mega corps, make them foot the bill for a while, they have had it easy for 30 years and screwed the nation over in the process.

  4. Donna,

    While I agree that it would be great if we could all come together and solve our nation”s problems, your suggestion reminds me of a story I once heard.

    At a world-wide religious conference, the chairman who had called for the meeting said: “It’s time for all of us to quit bickering, come together an form a world-wide Baptist church.”

  5. WarmNfuzziOne says:

    Can’t we all just get along?

    OK, let’s make it simple. You give up your pet projects, your entitlements and let us keep our incomes from being taxed for welfare.

  6. concernedtacoma7 says:

    “demand fairness” OK, what is unfair about our current system? You can be a minority, raised by a single mom, and become President of the United States. Only 15% of millionaires in the US inherited it. The rest earned it through hard work. Life is fair. Free markets are fair. Stop the handouts in the inner city and allow people to work themselves out of poverty.

    End the entitlement mentality. I want to be super-rich, through a mix of hard work and good luck. That is the American Dream. Problem is we are now living with a second and third generation of welfare babies who know of no other way of life. Stop the cycle.

    Give the bottom half of earners in this country a fiscal stake in the country. I believe and a mildly progressive system, but the bottom should not be zero, nevermind the bottom half.
    -During Reagan’s years, the top 5 percent paid 37 percent of all taxes; today, they pay 57 percent.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/17/curl-who-says-tax-cuts-kill-jobs-our-history-sure-/

  7. itwasntmethistime says:

    Wow. What a useless letter. She thinks they are fighting just to fight, and not because the two sides are in complete disagreement about how to improve the economy?

    She doesn’t even know what “this problem” is.

  8. the3rdpigshouse says:

    Partisan Politics – When patriotic citizens come to the realization that the “ignorant electorate” put an anti-American marxist/socialist in the White House!!!!

    I will remain partisan and “anti-OH-Bummer” until this national embarrassment is removed from office!!

  9. Obviously the conservacons are not ready to come together for the good of the nation.

  10. aislander says:

    Sure we are, xring. It is time for an intervention to relieve the nation of its addiction to spending, which will have the salutary effect of causing our elite institutions of higher learning to provide an actual education, rather than being a mere training ground for government functionaries. We once took pride in not being Belgium…

  11. They why did the Rpots turn down $3trillion in cuts?

    Because the won’t all the tax code to be reformed.

    IMO the Rpots reprecent 2% of the population and “the base” votes against their and the countries best intrest.

  12. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Xring- 2010 showed that republicans represent just a bit more than 2% of America.

    BHO has driven the independants to the republicans. College kids are not going to vote for him again (they want a job at some point).

  13. “Washington (CNN) – President Barack Obama is seeking $3 trillion to $4 trillion in deficit cuts over the next decade, a move that would require putting Social Security, Medicare, defense spending and tax reform on the table as part of a balanced approach to cuts, Democratic officials familiar with the negotiations told CNN.

    The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, did not say what types of cuts would have to be considered under such a proposal. In the past, one Social Security adjustment debt negotiators have discussed is cost-of-living.”

    xring – it is information like above that sends you guys in a tizzy. You can claim that it is something of substance but when you ask some simple questions it becomes clear it is just a little doggie bone to appease.

    Questions I have to help my feeble mind… what are the components of the cuts? Why are the types of cuts? Are the cuts immediate? Are the cuts over time? if so, what is the time period? Are they front loaded cuts? Are they back loaded cuts? IF backloaded, are there provisions to prevent a future Congress from reducing those current aggreed upon cuts?

    And finally, thanks for your help with this, but where is your written proposal that you claim Mr. President?

    If you have the answers to any of these questions, please help us out.

  14. blakeshouse says:

    Funny how it is only considered coming together if everyone agrees with the socialist/ neo marxists. If people don’t STAND for something they will fall for anything, just ask the nearest liberal.

  15. And 2011 shows america brought a pig in a poke.

  16. xx98,
    well we know that the Rpot cuts would be – any program that helps the the 98 % of Americans earning less that $250k per year, while protecting any program that benifits the 2% earning over $250K.

  17. Blakehouse,
    Obama has offered compromises – it is the part time Rpots that are saying its all their way or the country goes down.

  18. itwasntmethistime says:

    What’s the magic number? 47% isn’t it. Is it 65%? 80%? 90%? When 90% of the people living in America aren’t paying a penny in income tax will that be enough?

  19. ok xring, it’s official… you got nothing but potshots and chihuahua droppings to offer…

    I didn’t ask you about what the GOP would do, I asked about the Dems and the president. With your arrogance, you seem to know something and seen a document we haven’t.

    the questions still stand if you care to turn up the dial on your ability to provide some valid input to the discussion.

    awaiting your next little gem….

  20. Roncella says:

    xring, When is your hero President Obama going to produce a Budget ? He has yet to provide a detailed explanation about just how he gets the nation to a balanced budget without more spending and taxing.

    Obama is in re-election mode. Everything he says and does is totally based on his re-election efforts to get 4 more years in 2012.

    Obama has not really worked that hard on the budget or in getting the debt limit raised. He only recently has got involved in the process. He has been busy flying all over the nation campaigning and raising millions for his re-election.

    Obama delegated most of his responsibility in the talks with Republicans to his V.P Joe Biden. (foot in mouth) while he goes on campaigning and vacationing.

  21. “Obama has offered compromises – ”

    What are the details? Where is it written? Does the Senate endorse the unknown document? Do they have the proposal?

    ‘ver are your papers comrade?

  22. dallasow says:

    Bottom Line: The main issue is that the righties are willing to destroy this nation by not agreeing to anything, wrecking the economy, and blameing it on the current administration just to remove the black man from the white house. What you righties don’t seem to realize is that when they destroy this nation, everyone will suffer the negative consequences. You don’t get a free ride simply because you vote, think and advocate the right wing agenda. After the destruction of this country by the Tea Party/GOP there will be no recovery, and that’s their intent. Destroy the economy so inherently governmental services can be contracted out to their rich cronies.

    To champion and support those elected officials that make pledges to serve the people that elected them, then turn around and make pledges to special interest groups that advocate violating the pledges made to the people is a little stupid. No one can serve two masters and the citizens of this country are currently playing second fiddle to the other master.

    It’s not about the national debt. This country has always had and always will have debt. The repugnican leaders are demonizing the debt in order to deflect from the real problem areas, jobs and the economy. They deflect because they have no ideas, solutions or suggestions. It’s working because the mentally challenged right wing minions are suckers for this type deflection. It’s evident in some of the posts here.

  23. “BHO has driven the independants to the republicans. College kids are not going to vote for him again (they want a job at some point).”

    Make sure you click the heals of your ruby slippers when you say things like that, it’s the only way they might come true.

    The radical rightwing agenda is being rejected, by everyone including hard line republicans.

  24. You can almost taste the desperation from the rightists.

  25. Xx98,
    Close but no banana. I never said what cuts Obama was offering, just that he had offered 3 trillion in direct spend cuts over 10 years in exchange for closing tax loopholes that would bring in 1 trillion over the same period.

    Would you like some help removing you foot from your mouth?

    Roncella,
    How many times do I have to tell you THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT PRODUCE THE BUDGET!

    Producing the budget is the duty of the part time house.

    The Rpots have been running in flat out ‘‘make Obama a one term president’ since November of 2008.

    Delegating work and authority is the highest form of leadership. Responsibility can NEVER be delegated.

  26. Islander,
    Lowering the Income tax rates did increase revenues, but the deficit did not go down until Reagan RAISED NON-INCOME TAXES on the Rich..

    Year / receipts / outlay / surplus or deficit (-) (billion dollars in current dollars)
    1981 / 599.3 / 678.2 / -79.0
    1982 / 617.8 / 745.7 / -128.0
    1983 / 600.6 / 808.4 / -207.8
    1984 / 666.4 / 851.8 / -185.4
    1985 / 734.0 / 946.2 / -212.3
    1986 / 769.2 / 990.4 / – 221.2
    1987 / 854.3 / 1004.0 / -149.7
    1988 / 909.2 / 1064.4 / -155.2

    The reason Reagan’s tax cuts worked is that the money stayed in the USA.

    In 1988 Gandpa Bush’s campaign slogan was “NO NEW TAXES!.

    Bush2’s tax cuts failed because the cuts to the rich was spent to create jobs overseas or horded in off shore accounts.

  27. concernedtacoma7 says:

    “Delegating work and authority is the highest form of leadership. Responsibility can NEVER be delegated”

    That was some real leadership shown by Pelosi and Reid outsourcing the production of Obamacare to their pals.

    When is BHO going to claim responsibility for something? Unemployment? Failed stimulus? Debt? A healthcare plan that does nothing to streamline costs?

    I can see why you feel bad for him, poor guy doesn’t even know his own birthday. And he travels so much campaining, he never gets to she his family. Well, they are doing their duties traveling to Africa, Hawaii, and Spain in between trips to Martha’s Vineyard. Way to eat them peas

  28. “Close but no banana. I never said what cuts Obama was offering, just that he had offered 3 trillion in direct spend cuts over 10 years in exchange for closing tax loopholes that would bring in 1 trillion over the same period.”

    This is the issue d-wad… you can’t negotiate on concepts… you need to negoitate on data, facts, details…

    Ohhh, you sound so comprimising… let’s see the details, until then you are all talk.

  29. LarryFine says:

    Yea, “let’s come together” and ‘vote for it before we vote against it’… LOL…

  30. Roncella says:

    ConcernedTacoma7, President Obama’s type of management style if you can describle it that way, is to form committiees and do studies and deligate his Responsibilities to others until there is a crises. Then he steps in to take credit or blame others if the crises gets worse.

    This has been his pattern since becoming President. Remember his buddy Emanuel instructed him never let a good crises go to waste. So far Obama hasn’t.

    Remember his voting record the short time he was a senator, he voted present more often than yea or nea, it was easier for him to vote present and kick the can down the road then take a stand on the issues.

  31. “When is BHO going to claim responsibility for something? Unemployment? Failed stimulus? Debt? A healthcare plan that does nothing to streamline costs?”

    President Obama is not responsible for those thigs, why would you expect him to accept responsiblity for things bush the failure did and the one thing that is simply your mistaken opinion?

    And to think some people wonder why rightists are always called stupid.

  32. Telapromtors roncella! It’s all the telapromtors!!

  33. The Rpots have been running in flat out ‘‘make Obama a one term president’ since November of 2008.

    And the Demobags and the media were running in flat out “make Bush a one term president’ since November 2000. So what is your point?

    Oh, I forgot, you never have a point……..

  34. xx98,
    Lay of the sauce. You’re begining to sound like dumb as 3Pig.

  35. menopaws says:

    This needs to stop……..It is always about politics and I am tired of listening to this crap. The arguments about the budget are valid and they are real. I don’t have any problem about arguing about how we spend our money in the future. But, for any politician to tell Americans that it is okay to default on debts we have already incurred–that is the talk of terrorists. We live by a code of honor and letting any politicians place that on the auction block is not acceptable……So, save your politics for the budget and realize defaulting on our obligations is Un-American and frankly, treasonous. Republicans in the Senate already are jumping ship. the “Tea Party” is no friend of United States. They don’t care if we keep our word on debt—it’s all a bunch of old, white, racist radicals who don’t want any America since 1958……Default is failure of honor……Anyone who thinks it is taking a stand is clueless—you are breaking America’s word and telling the world our honor means nothing..

  36. Roncella and Concerned,

    So Bush2 never delegated anything to his VP?

    Or is this another rpot talking point – anything Bush did was right, but if Obama is wrong to do the same thing?

    The point sage is your knowledge of history is flawed.

  37. The point sage is your knowledge of history is flawed.

    Must be your selective memory again.

    Prove me wrong that the Demodouches and the media were not doing everything in their power to make Bush a one term president.

    You know dam well they tried to destroy him because they hate anything Republican (that is how it is spelled, by the way).

  38. Congress consistently brings the Government to the edge of default before facing its responsibility. This brinkmanship threatens the holders of government bonds and those who rely on Social Security and veterans benefits. Interest rates would skyrocket, instability would occur in financial markets, and the Federal deficit would soar. The United States has a special responsibility to itself and the world to meet its obligations. It means we have a well-earned reputation for reliability and credibility – two things that set us apart from much of the world.Ronald Reagan, September 26, 1987

  39. “I can see why you feel bad for him, poor guy doesn’t even know his own birthday. And he travels so much campaining, he never gets to she his family. Well, they are doing their duties traveling to Africa, Hawaii, and Spain in between trips to Martha’s Vineyard. Way to eat them peas”

    BLAH BLAH BLAH. George Bush was the King of Vacation in Office.

    According to the meticulous records kept by CBS Radio White House correspondent Mark Knoller, Bush on Monday lodged his 879th day spent in whole or in part at Camp David or his sprawling estate in Crawford, Tex.

    Yes, folks. 30% of his time in office was spent on vacation.

  40. Sageless,

    Never heard a Democartic Congress person say the Party’s main goal was to make sure Bush was a one termer.

    Never say Democrates flip-flop their positions, support, and votes just because Bush favored or opposed a particular bill.

  41. menopaws says:

    Default is a failure of honor………I will keep saying it until everyone understands………..I don’t give a damn about your politics. We don’t make our future by shredding our past……….I hope people go to jail for even suggesting that our country should walk away from it’s obligations………This is WRONG.

  42. Prove me wrong that the Demodouches and the media were not doing everything in their power to make Bush a one term president.

    Actually, as I teach all my incoming freshmen, the rules of rhetoric demand that YOU provide supporting evidence whenever you make a large claim such as the one above. Then, the counter argument refutes based upon their evidence. But, without anything but your assertion, your statement has absolutely no weight and can be dismissed as meaningless, unsupported blather.

  43. Roncella says:

    beerBoy, I am not about to go back and produce the proof you feel you need to believe that the Press and many of the dems. in the congress did all they could to make Bush a 1 term President., I was here I followed politics then as I do now.

    The Press made a fool of Bush at every opportunity. If he didn’t give enough press conferences they attacked him, when he did have press conferences they asked him pointed questions to make him look stupid no matter how he answered them.

    Now we have President Obama who go months without a press conference and when he has one answers questions about Michelles vegtable garden and or takes 10 mins to answer a question so only a few friendly reporters get to ask him a question.

    Obama has spent more of the Country’s money in less than three years than President Reagan, Bush one , Clinton, Bush 2 did.

    From Obamacare to stimulus bills Obama has spent us into a double dip recession on our way to a full blown depression

  44. menopaws says:

    Are we not defaulting on debts already run up by the federal government? Blather is being tooooo dim to understand that responsible people and governments honor their obligations……..I already have my degree–if I was a freshman in your class—I would transfer out. Reality and logic are part of a good education. Both seem to be a bit above you, beerBoy. America does not default on it’s honor. People who say that is okay are betraying the trust and integrity of this country. What else would we be defaulting on, genius?

  45. “The Press made a fool of Bush at every opportunity”

    He needed help????

  46. Roncella,
    ‘The press made a fool of Bust’ All the Press had to do was put Bush in front of a camera and he took care of the rest.

  47. Roncella says:

    xring, Your right Bush was no great speaker. However he usually meant what he said and said what he meant while answering questions or critics.

    Now we have the great Community Organizor who reads his tele-prompters beautifully without a flaw. However his words are just words he says and does whatever he must to win the next election or debate.

    Even the Liberal dems. who elected him are somewhat confused and disappointed in his decisions on many controversial subjects. Few really believes what he says completely.

  48. concernedtacoma7 says:

    BB- the left on this board consistantly asked for a common sense response to ‘be proved’.

    You honestly think democratic politicians were not planning for 2004 the day President George W. Bush got elected?

    Alright Kard and Xring, you obviously feel backed into a corner and feel the need to bring up President Bush. At least he loved America. He did what he felt was best for America. Not himself, or his party, but the people.

    And going back to the debt piece, both parties are to blame for how we got here, but it is BHO’s problem now. He has spent more aggressively and in greater quantity in the last two years making a big problem worse.

    http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/the-debt-ceiling-and-the-balanced-budget-amendment/

  49. “You honestly think democratic politicians were not planning for 2004 the day President George W. Bush got elected?”

    Of course they were, thats called politics. However Harry Reid did NOT stand up on the floor of the Senate and proclaim his number 1 job and the number 1 job of the Senate was to make bush the failure a one term President.
    Do you see the difference??
    Are you grown up enough to see it and admit to it?

    Can you not see the obstructionism from the republicans that is in fact damaging to the country and only serves to make the President look bad?
    That didn’t happen to bush the failure, and everyone knows it.

    As to the debt, the majority of our debt is republican debt, 2 wars, a drug bill and spending spending spending after cutting taxes.
    It’s the republicans debt, it’s the republicans recession.

  50. “Alright Kard and Xring, you obviously feel backed into a corner and feel the need to bring up President Bush. At least he loved America. He did what he felt was best for America. Not himself, or his party, but the people.”

    I think I just threw up in my mouth a little….

  51. Now that we are passed the flag waving portion of Concerned’s rant….

    There are a couple of issues brought to the surface concerning debt. Obama inherited Bush’s debt. Plain and simple fact. When you inherit that debt you inherit the debt service costs.

    Did Obama “spend” money? YOU BETCHA!!! Stuff like bailing out Wall Street so that our economy wouldn’t tank further. Oh he also kept paying the bills in Iraq and Afghanistan and didn’t hide them under the rug.

    These are the things that CATO won’t tell you.

  52. Roncella,
    Like when he said that if anyone in my Admenistration was guiltyt (of outting a covert CIA agent) they would be punished?

  53. Roncella says:
    July 20, 2011 at 9:06 am
    xring, Your right Bush was no great speaker. However he usually meant what he said and said what he meant while answering questions or critics.

    “There’s an old saying in Tennessee—I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, fool me once, shame on—shame on you. Fool me—you can’t get fooled again.”—Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002″

    Did he say what he meant or mean what he said?????

  54. concernedtacoma7 says:

    “Hide them under the rug”? How were they hidden? The costs were out in the open.

    And I thought BHO was going to end all wars and people were going to love him and all Americans world-wide?

    The cost of the Iraq war has decreased dramitically, so lets end that line of whining. Libya was his call (certainly Congress had no say).

    TARP was paid back in full with interest from all but a few failed institutions. Freddie and Fannie are progressive policy disasters.

    Where did that other trillion dollars go? Oh yeah, the shovel ready projects that were no so shovel ready.

  55. ct7 – the problem is – it is common that what you and other cons post doesn’t make sense.

    What is labeled “common sense” is rarely either – and on these boards – when someone claims common sense as a defense of their statement rather than being able to cite supporting articles it is a pretty sure sign that they just told a whopper.

  56. “President Bush. At least he loved America. He did what he felt was best for America. Not himself, or his party, but the people”

    Brings new meaning to the term ‘pant load’.

  57. “concernedtacoma7 says:
    July 20, 2011 at 10:46 am
    “Hide them under the rug”? How were they hidden? The costs were out in the open.”

    I have just a few words for you….”$9 Billion in cash unaccounted for in Iraq”

  58. “The United States Department of Justice has 900 cases of alleged fraud by contractors to investigate.[1] The Defense Contract Audit Agency similarly has uncovered $10 billion in questionable Iraq contracts[1] and a US audit found that the occupation authority lost track of reconstruction funds totalling nearly $9 billion.[2]

    Henry Waxman, Chairman of the United States House of Representatives committee on oversight and government reform, said: “The money that’s gone into waste, fraud and abuse under these contracts is just so outrageous, it’s egregious. It may well turn out to be the largest war profiteering in history.”[3]

  59. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, At least President Bush knew how many states were in the Union.

    President Bush never had to be embarassed by the press in order to wear an American Flag Pin.

  60. Roncella says:

    beerBoy, come on now lets be real. Common sense is a virtue that not everyone is blessed to receive.

    In my long career and as a manager I could always tell who possessed good old fashioned Common Sense and who didn’t, it was very obvious to me then as it is now.

    beerBoy, Being book smart does not in itself make you right or successful if you don’t have a dose of Common Sense to go along with your educational accomplishments.

  61. karnos wouldn’t “common sense” dictate the deceptively simple premise…

    how do you know something is missing if it wasn’t accounted for in the first place?

    how can they make a case for fraud if their was no baseline… nothing to measure from to begin with?

  62. “how do you know something is missing if it wasn’t accounted for in the first place?”

    Mommy, you can’t prove I took a cookie unless you can prove how much was in the cookie jar before I took a cookie.

    Wonderful stuff, xx.

  63. “In my long career and as a manager I could always tell who possessed good old fashioned Common Sense and who didn’t, it was very obvious to me then as it is now.”

    Please, Roncella….give me a break. You could read minds but you can’t spell or use correct grammar?????

    Yeah….I can tell who uses good old fashioned common sense – those who know how to communicate and can support their assertions with data.

  64. “Roncella says:
    July 20, 2011 at 1:10 pm
    KARDNOS, At least President Bush knew how many states were in the Union.

    President Bush never had to be embarassed by the press in order to wear an American Flag Pin.”

    This is what Roncella calls “common sense”.

    If faux pax dictate the man, Bush couldn’t hold a candle to Obama. They didn’t create the word “Bushisms” for nothing.

    John McCain didn’t wear a flag pin. Neither did Palin. No one asked either of them about it…..BUT….the media is left biased……

    Roncella…..you need to invoke your daily “teleprompter” rant to make the day complete.

  65. “Nearly $9 billion of money spent on Iraqi reconstruction is unaccounted for because of inefficiencies and bad management, according to a watchdog report published Sunday.”

    Now….if an accounting office “accounted for” $9 billion by someone catching them….could they say….

    “we accounted for it, that is how you caught us, thus there is no problem”……

  66. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, your posts are beginning to look like the pretzels they are, you have to go in 20 different directions defending your idols, Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Biden and all the rest, Wow its a tough job Kardnos but someone has to do it.

  67. Roncella….do you have an adult conversation to offer?

  68. Proper spelling and grammar are certainly not prerequisites for common sense. Neither are wisdom and education the same thing.

  69. LarryFine says:

    I’m way behind… are you guys quibbling over Sander Berger and his stealing documents from the National Archive?

  70. xring says:
    JULY 19, 2011 AT 10:21 PM
    Sageless,

    Never heard a Democartic Congress person say the Party’s main goal was to make sure Bush was a one termer.

    Never say Democrates flip-flop their positions, support, and votes just because Bush favored or opposed a particular bill.

    I see xring is resorting to his childlike bastardizing of peoples screen names again, because he has nothing to offer.

    Not sure why I am wasting my time with a response, but here it is:

    When Obama was a Senator for about 5 minutes before running for President, he voted AGAINST raising the debt ceiling when a Republican was president. Now he WANTS to raise the debt ceiling. I would call that flip-flopping on his position depending on which party he supports.

    And beerBoy, why didn’t you give xring the same lecture that you gave me about providing proof when you post something, because xring started it by saying the Republican’s mission is to make Obama a one term president. I think he needs to provide the proof, but I won’t hold my breath.

  71. sage1 – I have already posted the urls to McConnell’s statements but here it is again:

    On Fox News Sunday Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) maintained that the Republicans’ number one goal remains the defeat of President Obama in 2012. In an interview with Bret Baier of Fox News, McConnell was asked about a charge made by Democrats that the Republicans are purposefully sabotaging the economy for political gain in 2012. McConnell at first seemed to admit the charge, saying “Well that’s true” before going on to claim that Republicans want to fix the economy first.

    http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-national/mitch-mcconnell-r-ky-maintains-gop-s-priority-is-defeating-obama-2012#ixzz1ShDIZ1os

    see? That is a proper citation supporting one’s “big statement”.

  72. taxedenoughintacoma says:

    Hey Team,
    thuth is they are out of your money. The liberals chickens have come home to roost. CUT<CUT<CUT

    It's the spending dummy!!!!

  73. “Mommy, you can’t prove I took a cookie unless you can prove how much was in the cookie jar before I took a cookie.

    Wonderful stuff, xx. “

    it is wonderful stuff isn’t… thank you for you asknowledgement…

    how does mommy know to spank little karnos for taking a cookie… because mommy knows how many cookies she bake barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, that’s how…

    you have to admit the concept applies even to cookies… my favorite is oatmeal raisin… mmm, yummy

    by the way there are 10 left in the pack…. mommies know

  74. LarryFine says:

    Now Fox News is beerBoy’s bible thruth… kooky.

  75. “Well that’s true”

    the answer is taken totally out of context. he was responding to his quote and taking ownership of it and then went on to talk about the economy…

    standard ploy… make a general bulldongers charge… put em on defense, make them have to explain it when it can’t be explain.

    DC is a cesspool isn’t it.

    by the way when did you stop beating you wife?

  76. aislander says:

    You know how lefties LOVE to point out the hypocrisy of conservatives who don’t live up to their moral values? Libs are able to criticize because they don’t hold themselves to the same standards. Or ANY standards. But all that is really beside the point. The point is: if you are going to hold yourself up as a paragon of anything, you had better be perfect in that regard. That includes grammar and spelling…

  77. Xx98,
    Common sense says that for something to be missing it was accounted for but no longer can be accounted for.

    One baseline for fraud – knowing accepting payment for goods or services that were not delivered or do not meet expected standards – like showers that electrocute the uses, or flack vests that don’t stop bullets.

    Sage:
    Mitch McConnell: I want to be Senate Majority Leader in Order To Make Obama a One-Term President
    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/10/25/126242/mcconnell-obama-one-term/

    GOP leader’s top goal: Make Obama a 1-term President

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40007802/ns/politics-decision_2010

    Bachmann launches Presidential Campaaing . . . vows to make Obama a one-term President
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/27/bachmann-2012-bid-not-personal-against-obama/'%20rel='nofollow/

    Taxed,
    When it comes to dealing with the Debt Crisis Rpots are running around like a flock of chickens with their heads cut off.

  78. “Xx98,
    Common sense says that for something to be missing it was accounted for but no longer can be accounted for.”

    xring – are we agreeing again that the money for the war “was accounted for” but in Iraq “no longer can be accounted for” ?

    you might wanna tell karnos that…

  79. You do know the difference between truthiness and truth don’t you?

  80. first bb is you comment for me?

    if so, then yes… but before we go off on a classic

    “I am assuming that you know what I think I am referring to so when I make my pithy comment and/or question you will of course know all the details of what I am referring to and/or questioning”

    tangent.

    make your case… and then ask me the question… thanks

    ps – this is all so familiar, we have done this before, the “un” budgeted yet somehow missing money and your truthy thingy… deja vu baby, deja vu.

    that is if the question was directed at me.

  81. sage1 was my target but, if the the foo s–ts, wear it.

  82. “Well that’s true”

    the answer is taken totally out of context. he was responding to his quote and taking ownership of it and then went on to talk about the economy…

    This was directed at you bb if you wish…

    or it could be one of our many hanging chads…

  83. And further down the article:

    McConnell did not back down from those remarks when given an opportunity to do so this Sunday, but did attempt to differentiate between the “political” goal of Republicans and other, broader goals. Republicans argue that they can still work to defeat President Obama while trying to also improve the country, and that, in fact, the two goals may be entirely consistent.

    So…..he had a chance to deny that that was what he meant…..and he didn’t.

    And….from 11/10/10
    “But the fact is, if our primary legislative goals are to repeal and replace the health spending bill, to end the bailouts, cut spending and shrink the size and scope of government, the only way to do all these things is to put someone in the White House who won’t veto any of these things,” the Kentucky Republican will say. “We can hope the president will start listening to the electorate after Tuesday’s election. But we can’t plan on it.”

  84. And this:

    “Over the past week, some have said it was indelicate of me to suggest that our top political priority over the next two years should be to deny President Obama a second term in office,” McConnell will say Thursday during a speech at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/127653-mcconnell-gops-only-option-is-to-defeat-obama-in-2012

  85. MCCONNELL: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/10/25/126242/mcconnell-obama-one-term/

    Gee…..he keeps saying it on different occasions….maybe it wasn’t just “mis-speaking”.

  86. LarryFine says:

    This “one termer” stuff is SO bizzare … you’d think the lefties would have been rooting for a second term for Bush by all their tiddly winking over someone saying they wanted O’Bama to be a one termer… HELL YES we want hima and his harmful policies bounced after one term.

    That’s just about as kooky as it comes.

  87. bb – my issue was the article cited and the video. It was out of context. I am speaking specifically of this part:

    “McConnell was asked about a charge made by Democrats that the Republicans are purposefully sabotaging the economy for political gain in 2012. McConnell at first seemed to admit the charge, saying “Well that’s true”

    It is out of context.

    The other stuff – one term – McConnell said it… so. He doubled down on it… so.

    As was said before, in 2013 the goal of the Dems will be to remove the GOP president from office. In 2001 and 2005 the goal of the Dems was to remove Bush from office…. So.

  88. Xx98, guess we are.
    As I understand it;
    We know where the money came from – UN oil-for-food program.
    We know the money arrived in Iraq.
    But we are unsure of where the funds went or how and were it was spent.

    bB – haven’t heard the foo joke in a couple of decades.

  89. xring – oil for food??? That’s not what this is about.

    we are all so busy talking over one another we don’t even know why nor what the subject is anymore…

    I’m getting a cookie… there are six left by the way…

  90. What’s kooky is the insistence that McConnell didn’t state that it was the NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. And then, when proven wrong claiming that “well, of course, and the Dems do it too!”

    Maybe (probably) you are right – the number one priority for these guys is to get power, not to serve the nation in the best way possible. But McConnell’s statement makes the cynical speculation about our elected officials’ primary interests impossible to ignore – all they really care about is the game.

  91. Roncella says:

    beerBoy You can’t believe that the dems didn’t work very very hard along with alot of help from the Main Stream Media types to make George Bush a one term President, your so much wiser then that.

  92. aislander says:

    Making Obama a (less-than, ideally) one-term president IS serving the nation, beerBoy…

  93. LarryFine says:

    True that Ai. , and bB’s selective outrage is once again on display.

  94. aislander says:

    I think that, if McConnell were only “playing a game,” he would have kept his cards hidden. The fact that he gave voice to intentions only emphasizes how important it is to minimize the amount of time Obama has to harm the nation…

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