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BOEING: Worker should be grateful to have a job

Letter by Kathleen M. Morales, Graham on July 14, 2011 at 9:47 am with 49 Comments »
July 14, 2011 1:23 pm

Re: “Boeing can’t be allowed to illegally take jobs out of Washington” (Your Voice, 7-14).

The writer talks about how proud she is to work for Boeing and the planes she helps build. I don’t see that. What I see is what is wrong with us as a nation and what is hurting our economy.

She talks about making $34 and hour and suffering through the 2008 strike on peanut butter and instant noodles. My family and I make half as much as she does, and that is the way we live all the time, but we manage to save for a rainy day.

It’s people like her who have put this country and the world in the economic grief we are in now with the mentality that I deserve to get paid so much and spend it on anything and everything with out looking to the future.

I applaud Boeing for building a new plant and taking jobs to an area that really needs them. She and others like her should be ashamed of their attitudes and their responses. I am grateful when I get a 25-cent raise, because I am one of the fortunate ones who has a job for now.

If this person is so proud of Boeing and the work she and her co-workers do, why doesn’t she do like so many others have done: Take a pay cut and be grateful for a job.

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  1. commoncents says:

    No offense but it’s the people that are just “grateful to have a job” that are taking the pay cuts. The people that know that they have a lot to offer their employer, bring a lot to the table, and contribute to the profitability of their company who continue to get raises in this economy. Pay Cut? Hardly…Don’t sell yourself short – if you’re a great employee then your company should be grateful to have you.

    That being said – you’re absolutely right. There is no excuse for not saving and preparing for a rainy day. Machinists should be putting away 1/3 of their income each year and should not whine about having to do it or doing without if they failed to do so. That’s simply the life and lot they chose…

  2. Kathleen if I tried to illistare just what is wrong with America and Americans today I couldn’t do it better than to point in your direction.
    You are the very picture of what is wrong with this country.
    you have sold your soal to the Corp gods and in turn have become thier slave, and you are doing it willingly and want everyone around you to do the same.
    You and your attitude are why the wages in this country have been dropping the last 30 years while corp profits are at an all time high and have been setting records every year for the last decade.

    By willing to live your life under the corp thumb and being conditioned (indoctrnated) to believe you are “grateful” to have a job makes you far worse than those you clearly are jelous of.

    Do yourself a favor Kathleen, grow a back bone and stand up for yourself and turn down that insult of 50 cents and hour, then you might gain some self respect.

  3. BlaineCGarver says:

    This subject tersly covers what is right and wrong with Unions. I’m all for worker rights, but not for holding the economy hostage for a Gold Lined compensation package for basic, everyday work. Yes, at 30 bucks plus an hour, I think it ungrateful to be striking.

  4. Kathleen? Would you want to fly on a plane built by workers who make minimum wage? Go ahead. I for one, would not. Not to mention, the plane is being flown by a pilot who works a second job at Starbucks and makes barely above minimum wage. Remember that crash in New York?

  5. nwcolorist says:

    Frida, it’s worth remembering that whenever we get on an airplane, it was built by the company that offered the lowest bid.

  6. No colorist, it is not. Buying a plane is not a ‘bid’ process, it’s just like buying a car.
    Thanks for playing.

  7. “but not for holding the economy hostage for a Gold Lined compensation package”

    Why then blaine are you in favor of holding the economy hostage over some tax loop holes and the cuts that favor and creat a “Gold Lined” (more like platinum lined) redistribution of the nations wealth?

  8. Just so we’re clear here – wasn’t that letter a prime example of class envy – that whole bit about how she has a job that pays crap so all other workers should be willing to do the same……

  9. nwcolorist says:

    xtp855 – you probably one of those who pay sticker price for everything, huh?

  10. aislander says:

    I think the letter writer is offering perspective, and it comes down to this: is it better to have a job for which the remuneration is determined by the market and agreement between employer and employed, or is it better to have no job and scraps from the government, for as long as they last?

  11. “xtp855 – you probably one of those who pay sticker price for everything, huh?”

    No I don’t and I’m smart enough to know that airlines don’t buy planes by bid, they negotiate for a deal.
    Color, you stepped on your you know what and I caught you, just accept it like a man and move on.

  12. “I think the letter writer is offering perspective”

    No she isn’t, she is saying, clearly, that we should all stoop and fetch to the corporations and be good little boot lickers while doing it.

    In other words, the conservative party line.

  13. nwcolorist says:

    xtp, negotiating is a form of bidding.

    Parsing things pretty close, I’d say.

  14. This letter is a prime example of the race to the bottom and why it works in corporations favor. Unions have made the middle class, as union membership decreases so does middle class share of income. In 1967 union membership was near 30% and middle share of income was over 52%. In 2009 union membership is around 12% and the middle class share of incomoe was down to 46%.

    See link:

    http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2011/04/unions_middle_class.html

  15. Those who are working are fortunate because there are many who would do their job for much less. This is the crux of aislander’s comment when he says, “is it better to have a job for which the remuneration is determined by the market and agreement between employer and employed, or is it better to have no job and scraps from the government, for as long as they last?”

    He means, is it better to work for peanuts than to not have a job? He would have everyone who has a job work for peanuts because there are some who do not have jobs. Or, because some of us do not have jobs, the rest of us have to work for peanuts.

    Hogwash!

    My guess is that aislander is an employer who would love to reduce his employee’s pay to mere peanuts.

  16. Kathleen – remove the impact of Boeing $34 per hour wages from this market and you’ll be paid less, not 25 cents an hour more.

  17. “nwcolorist says:
    July 14, 2011 at 3:50 pm
    xtp855 – you probably one of those who pay sticker price for everything, huh?”

    Now THERE is a classic. We supposedly live in a capitalist society where making more money is a good thing, yet there is an example where if a person pays the asking price for an item – because he is able – there is something wrong.

    The hypocrisy of the Right continues…

  18. “BlaineCGarver says:
    July 14, 2011 at 2:10 pm
    This subject tersly covers what is right and wrong with Unions. I’m all for worker rights, but not for holding the economy hostage for a Gold Lined compensation”

    Hmmmm….Wall Street, anyone?

  19. phoenicis says:

    The title to this sob story should have been,

    “BOEING CAN’T BE ALLOWED TO TAKE MY GRAVY-TRAIN”

    As a journeyman in a construction trade and former member of the International Brotherhood of Carpenters, at first I could sympathize a bit with Princie’s letter to the editor. I have been in the trade for almost 30 years and worked in harsh environments for harsher bosses. But it didn’t take long before I wanted to throw up my lunch from reading this crybaby’s sob-story.

    Let me get this right! Making almost $34 an hour and having to survive after less than two months by eating “peanut butter and instant noodles soup and whatever we had to do to survive “!!! Girl, you just told me right there how irresponsible you are! You have got to get some control over your spending habits because there is NO excuse for that statement. I raised 5 kids on far less than that and we never had to survive on peanut butter and noodles when I was without work of – often for much longer than 2 months without any paycheck or unemployment. Princie lost all credibility with me and many thousands of others at that point in her lamentation. I could just hear the violin playing in the background as big tears rolled down her cheeks. Give me a break! I mean talk about a spoiled union darling. I mean, seriously, unemployment rate over 9% for well over a year now, people devastated from job loss, and you want me to feel sorry for you!!!

    Then there is the often repeated premise that it is illegal for Boeing to build planes elsewhere when there is not a shred of evidence that those jobs are coming from Washington – other than a bunch of high-paid union harpies screaming bloody-murder because they fear the loss of their own gravy-train! Fear and lies straight out of the union handbook. Who do you think you are, Princie! You would deny thousands of your fellow Americans a chance at high-paying jobs just to keep all of that gravy on your own plate?!! What, every plane is going to fall out of the sky because Princie hasn’t given her union stamp of approval on it? Geez, give me another break!!

    Let me fill you in on a basic fact of life and economics. They are the Owners and you are the Employee. You are free to go start your own airplane company if you want, where you want, build them how you want and hire who you want. But you choose to stay where you are in your comfortable well-paying job and then stamp your gilded foot at Boeing and demand that they obey you and your fellow employees and your very-well paid union bosses and demand that Boeing deny other American citizens opportunity because of your own selfish fears. You have lost all credibility with me and many others at this point in your ‘poor-me’ tirade.

    It has yet to be proven that Boeing has done anything illegally yet you make that assertion as if it is fact. Pull your head out and look around at the millions of unemployed and underemployed (a true rate of around 18%) before you start pumping me for sympathy, because you have got nothing to cry about and have proven yourself to be nothing but another union shrill – just like those teachers in Wisconsin. Cry, cry, cry me a river of tears but don’t expect me to float with you because I am to busy doing whatever I have to to survive in today’s economy.

  20. aislander says:

    Polago and company would prefer to ignore reality. The market can be ignored for only so long, as Greece and (soon) Italy are discovering. We have to become, as the cliche goes, lean and mean…

  21. phoenicis – how’s the Carpenter’s Union these days?

  22. “aislander says:
    July 14, 2011 at 8:09 pm
    Polago and company would prefer to ignore reality. The market can be ignored for only so long, as Greece and (soon) Italy are discovering. We have to become, as the cliche goes, lean and mean… ”

    So we’re back to “we don’t have the money”. You see when Obama says “we don’t have the money” then the Republicans claim we do.

    Funny how that keeps changing.

  23. aislander says:

    See, the thing is that lefties believe all they have to do is to pass laws to get the results they want, and then to pass laws to prevent people from doing workarounds to those earlier laws, and then pass laws to deal with the unintended consequences of everything passed up to that point. Trouble is: nobody is that smart, not even lefties who seem to have no grasp of their own limitations. All that would be fine if they didn’t impose the products of those limitations on the rest of us.

    There are some things that are better dealt with at ground level, and this topic is an illustration of that principle…

  24. leehallfae says:

    Boeing is a private company and as such they have the right to move their plants where ever they wish and they have the right to try to make a profit.

    If they decide to move their operations overseas, there will be nothing legal to stop them from so doing.

  25. unionguy says:

    I will offer this perspective kathleen, so you expect Boeing union workers who have joined togther to join a union or join one formed by smart predecessors, to take a pay cut? While the CEO of Boeing makes over 19.4 million a year in reported salary? And lets talk about the unions at Boeing who listed to thier members and brought up issues with 787 outsourcing plan and are on the record in opposition to it. Now that plan that these high paid execs and board of directors ( yes CEO of Boeing was on board that approved the 787 outsourcing debacle) put inplace over objections of employees. So you think we should reward these high level execs, and make workers take a pay cut? If your so unhappy with your raise at where you work, form a union there.
    Also well said that union wages at Boeing support at least 3 other jobs in our area, yes those Boeing union workers you hate keep you working.

  26. I couldn’t have said it better Kathleen

  27. “aislander says:
    July 14, 2011 at 8:43 pm
    See, the thing is that lefties believe all they have to do is to pass laws to get the results they want”

    So…..the Rightees don’t try to pass anti-gay marriage legislation? The difference between the “lefties” and the “rightees” is that the “lefties” pass laws to protect Americans. The “rightees” pass laws to enforce their personal wishes.

  28. aislander says:

    KARD writes: The right tries to pass “anti-gay marriage legislation…” WHAT anti-gay-marriage legislation? We just want to codify the definition of marriage that has always existed. WE’RE not the ones who are trying to change things…

    As for passing legislation to “protect” Americans: it ends up being legislation that coerces Americans. When it comes to anything but criminal acts (most of which require me to protect myself anyway): you guys ain’t my mother: don’t do me any favors…

  29. Union Guy-you can thank your union and your greedy attitude for Boeing decided they have a better work force elsewhere.

  30. “xtp, negotiating is a form of bidding.”

    colorist, face the facts man, your little joke wasn’t funny in 1942 when you first told it and it’s not funny now. And even less funny since it doesn’t relate.
    You messed up, you got caught, deal with it.
    I know it kills you to admit you are wrong and you’ve never been man enough to do it, but this is really small potatos and even you should be able to grow up enough to admit you messed it up.
    You can’t redefine words to get out of it this one, and you look like a fool trying.

  31. aislander says:

    Besides, KARD, the Constitution is supposed to protect Americans from overreaching government, but lefty judges have decided not to use it for that…

  32. aislander says: “Polago and company would prefer to ignore reality. The market can be ignored for only so long, as Greece and (soon) Italy are discovering. We have to become, as the cliche goes, lean and mean…”

    “Lean and mean” is code for working for peanuts.

  33. “Boeing decided they have a better work force elsewhere.”

    You mean HOPING they MIGHT end up with a work force that may someday compare.

  34. xtp, re-read his post. Then realize that Airbus bids for a job, Boeing bids for a job……just like the Supertanker deal that has been on the news for the past couple years.

  35. “the Constitution is supposed to protect Americans from overreaching government, but lefty judges have decided not to use it for that… ”

    But the rightie judges are in the majority and they have allowed the over reaching Govt to give citizen staus to the over reaching corpations.
    How do you feel about that?
    You claim you love the country and the uphold the Constitution, why do you support facism like that?

  36. “The market can be ignored for only so long, as Greece and (soon) Italy are discovering. We have to become, as the cliche goes, lean and mean… ”

    Why then have wages remained flat for the last 30 years for the average working man but the top 5% have gone up to the point where they hold 90% of the nations wealth?
    Your market myth has let you down for 30 years now, when will you open your eyes?

  37. “Lean and mean” is code for working for peanuts.

    As is, “right to work”.

  38. Frida, it’s worth remembering that whenever we get on an airplane, it was built by the company that offered the lowest bid.

    xtp-there it is again. See, you are WRONG! That is a cut and paste from NW Colorists post. He is correct, you are wrong, and you went on and on making yourself the fool. “Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, then to open it and remove all doubt”

  39. While the lowest bid is ONE reason to award a contract it isn’t the only one. There must be confidence that the bidder can actually complete the work to spec.

  40. Boeing negotiates many sales that have nothing to do with a “bid”.

    Oh..and yes….there is a difference between a negotiated price and a bid. Ask any contractor which he’d rather do.

  41. I called 3 dealerships to see if they were taking “bids” on cars, all 3 told me they wouldn’t.
    Imagine that.

  42. pieta253 says:

    This is about America in general, we cannot even take care of our own any more. You can’t drive to the store without seeing someone begging on the street corner. You can’t pick up the paper without reading about what company filed for protection. Corporate America is a business, not a social club. The labor laws and policys today protect the lazy and worthless workers of the society. I have them at my work place and see it everyday. Taking jobs out of Washington is not illegal, its a business option that has been put in play due to the Union’s inability to see the big picture of Corporate America. Its the insurance policy to protect the interests of the Customers of the Boeing Company that buy the airplanes. Everyone has a choice, if you don’t like the decisions of the Company, maybe you should leave it and try and find a better job out in the real world!!!

  43. truthbusterguy says:

    The sooner boeing leave WA state the sooner the legislature will stop siding with unions and killing jobs. It’s the 70’s all over again. Wil the last boeing worker turn out the lights.

    We need “right to work” laws to save boeing jobs.

  44. Right to work (right to starve) destroys jobs.

  45. aislander says:

    So…Po…how about the lefty faction that doesn’t want economic growth? Talk about the right to starve. How are you going to reconcile your (purported) goals with theirs?

  46. aislander says:

    Scraps from the government it is, huh, Polago?

  47. Again with the name-calling……aislander.

  48. aislander says:

    Polago knows I was talking about the anarchist thread and the Bohmer letter. He stated he was against economic growth, as have numerous environmental lefties. No name calling that they didn’t call themselves–unless YOU believe they would self-identify as right wing…

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