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DEBT: Tighten our belts or lose our pants

Letter by Lyle Laws, Puyallup on July 8, 2011 at 1:13 pm with 142 Comments »
July 8, 2011 1:41 pm

We all know that if America doesn’t stop plunging deeper and deeper into debt, our financial future will be catastrophic.

Some keep saying that we should raise taxes on the rich. OK, let’s raise their income taxes by 5 percent, but only on the condition that the rest of us share in getting by with less.

I can already hear my ears ringing, but the only meaningful solution would probably be to make 5 percent cutbacks in all federal spending, including Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, defense spending, foreign aid and all the rest. And yes, even the food stamp program should be reformed.

“Take away food from hungary children?” No, keep reading.

I was stunned when I learned that Papa Murphy’s take-and-bake gourmet pizza and salads could be purchased with food stamps. But then a host of other food items qualify: prime cuts of beef, lobster, snow crab, marinated pork loins, colossal shrimp, sushi, party-food deli trays, etc.

If the irresponsible adults who purchase those items with food stamps could no longer do so, the hungry children would benefit greatly because the food stamp allotments that remained would buy far more of the less extravagant but basic nutritional foods kids need but often don’t get.

If you doubt that some of the expensive items mentioned above are often paid for with food stamps, just talk to a checker who works in the grocery section of a supermarket.

Leave a comment Comments → 142
  1. PumainTacoma says:

    If you get food stamps and can work, then let’s put you to work. The parks, and roads need cleaning. None of this give-me give-me give-me, take take take without working “attitude.” WORK is not a four letter word. Sorry, but many of us are tired of footing the bill for the rest of the 21% (real unemployed) who do not work, who over mortgaged their home and driving new cars only to whine about not having it “good enough.” Here is the reality check. We are not going to put up with those not paying taxes or working any longer. So time to roll up your sleeves and move your butts off the couch, and stop feeling sorry for yourselves. This country was not built by whiners, they lived within their means and did not expect their neighbor to pay for their goodies.

    Everyone pays taxes (let’s start there first) then bark about who pays more. But everyone should pay taxes.

  2. Roncella says:

    The food card program is another Government hand out to needy folks and some not so needy.

    It would be almost impossible to police how the cards are being used. The Congress starts these programs then they grow and grow without regard as to how much they cost taxpayers.

    Now in many cases we feed school children breakfast and or lunch. This is a good sounding and caring way to take care of young children who may not get a breakfast or home made lunch made for them.

    Whats next, feeding these same children on weekends and when school is out for the summer ??

    Its the far left mainly and the Government wanting to take care of everyone from birth to death. There is only one big fly in the oitment, Where does all the money come from to keep this going ???

    Its no wonder we have thousands and thousands of mexicans and others coming across our border illegally, why wouldn’t they. They get more from the U.S. government than the Mexican Government they ran away from.

  3. KARDNOS says:

    If you doubt that some of the expensive items mentioned above are often paid for with food stamps, just talk to a checker who works in the grocery section of a supermarket.”

    Where’s that Welfare Queen when Lyle Laws needs her?

    I know a man that was a checker in the Safeway on 11th and M for many years. Not only did the folks there not buy expensive items, Safeway didn’t stock them. You don’t stock what doesn’t sell.

    Go up there and try to find “prime cuts of beef, lobster, snow crab, marinated pork loins, colossal shrimp, sushi, party-food deli trays”

    FYI, Lyle – snow crab is the garbage crab that you’ll find on buffets advertising seafood. It is difficult to eat and have minimal meat.

  4. KARDNOS says:

    In one thread, Roncella talks about unemployment and bad economy and now complains about feeding children.

    ::::::::shakes head in disgust:::::::

    As to the “thousands and thousands” of Mexicans illegally crossing the border (why do thy only show a handful on FOX?), corporations (notoriously the meat packing industry) import them to break unions.

  5. KARDNOS says:

    Remember when the SE Asians were the attacked immigrants?

  6. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, I hope you are giving all you can to help feed the hungry. If your not shame on you. I give to many worthy organizations who do help feed the less fortunate.

    You liberals just don’t get it. Where does the Government money come from to keep spending on all your pet projects ?? In case you haven’t noticed many states are bankrupt or near bankruptcy, right now.

    I have been in line many times and observed folks buying all kinds foods with their cards. Kardnos you just don’t care about the rest of us taxpayers out here who are trying hard to keep above water.

  7. sue1234 says:

    Just another incoherent rambling rant all based on gopcult lies, myths, and delusions.

  8. sue1234 says:

    Roncella.. ASK BUSH WHERE THAT 9 BILLION DOLLARS IN CASH HE OUTRIGHT LOST IS…… dont whine until you tell us.

  9. klondiko says:

    GOP arrogance. I’m sure in your mind letting the needy starve to death would cure all problems.

  10. Roncella says:

    Sue1234, Thats chump change, 9 Billion dollars, How about you asking your Hero President Obama to account for 4 TRILLION DOLLARS, that he has spent in less than 3 years !!

  11. fbergford says:

    Good letter Lyle! I agree with you.

  12. Kardnos, I shopped Fred Meyer on Wednesday, and snow crab was 19.95 a pound. That amount of money would purchase 10-15 pounds of fruit and vegatables that hungary kids need.

  13. Sue1234, If yoy have something to say, why don”t you just write a sentence or two without just jumping in and screaming nonsense?

  14. beerBoy says:

    Thats chump change, 9 Billion dollars,

    Really!!!?????? Yet you want to cut programs that will save maybe a few million…..

  15. Beerboy, Maybe 9 billion is chump change to you, Big Spender, but to most of us a few billion here and there add up.

    By the way,why, don’t do you ever use your real name?

  16. Great news for you, Kardnos. You said your Safeway doesn’t carry crab meat. Well our Safeway here on South Hill can sell you all you want. Albertson’s and Top Foods will also be glad to take your money.

  17. lyle Beerboy, Maybe 9 billion is chump change to you, Big Spender, but to most of us a few billion here and there add up.

    By the way,why, don’t do you ever use your real name?

    I think that should have been directed to Ron

  18. tree_guy says:

    “the only meaningful solution would probably be to make 5 percent cutbacks in all federal spending, including Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, defense spending, foreign aid and all the rest. And yes, even the food stamp program should be reformed.” lyle

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/07/08/tighten-our-belts-or-lose-our-pants/#ixzz1RZK9Z6mc

    a. 5% cutback in federal spending? I would apply a 20% cut in all government salaries and benefits
    b. social security I would leave alone
    c. defense spending could stand some cutbacks
    d. foreign aid could stand some cutbacks
    e. food stamps stopped for dopers and long term slackers and for anyone selling the benefit card or using the card to shop for third parties.

    Must immediately cutback government salaries. They are way to generous in many instances. These workers are not going to quit and join the private sector.

  19. tree_guy – would that 20% cut to federal govt. salaries apply to FBI agents, CIA terrorism analysts, food inspectors, FDA/CDC/nulcear scientists. Or to our DOD civilian workforce that support our troops? These poeple do have other options.

    Nothing says you are doing a great job like a pay cut – not!

  20. Conservatives are always so quick advocate balancing the budget on the backs of the poor, always so quick to pass judgement on anyone receiving assistance, always so quick to demonize public employees. And this from the party that claims to have “good christian values.” Jesus said “feed the hungry and cloth the naked,” but conservatives know better because those poor people might get their hands on snow crab. Jesus said “do not judge lest you be judged,” but conservatives know better because everyone on foodstamps is a stoner-burn-out. Jesus said “love your neighbor as yourself,” but conservatives know better because all government employees are blood-sucking-leeches that deserve a 20% cut. As Jesus said, “hypocrites!”

  21. Roncella says:

    delarm, Maybe the Government should just take over the family needs entirely from birth to death.

    In your opinion delarm, the Government should pay for the birth and food and schooling and job assignments, along with regulating retirement benefits, and paying for burial services.

    Hows that delarm; would all those services by government be doing enough for You ??

    As an avowed liberal as you seem to be you no doubt would want even more from the Government-(Taxpayers).

  22. When discussing cuts how come our bloated military was not mentioned?

  23. Roncella, as an avowed conservative as you seem to be you no doubt would want even less from the Government.

    In your opinion private ownership should be extended to police, fire, roads, and the military.

    See, we can both play the hyperbole game. you accuse me of wanting an Orwellian dystopia and I accuse you of wanting neo-fuedalist society.

    It doesn’t make either of us right. it just makes both of us childish.

  24. beerBoy says:

    Lyle – why are you so concerned about the children from Hungary when there are hungry and malnourished children right here?

  25. beerBoy says:

    But seriously Lyle – I haven’t ridiculed your letter and yet you attack me for quoting roncella’s ridiculous statement about “chump change” and for not using my real name as a screen name (funny how the Pettite Ron gets a pass….) What’s up with that?

    BTW, Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program provides $68.88/week for a family of four (google is a wonderful thing) – if a family went to any of the food vendors you suggested that would pretty much wipe out their weekly food budget in a day or two.

  26. tree_guy says:

    afret@

    When I suggest a 20% pay cut for government employees I don’t suggest any vindictiveness or message that the people aren’t doing a good job. I would send everyone a letter that we can no longer afford to pay under current rates and that the new affordable rates are 20% lower. Thank them for the wonderful job they have done in the past and encourage them to continue at the lower rate if they can afford to do so. I doubt if every government employee has a private sector option, most would probably elect to keep their job at the 80% pay level.

  27. tree_guy says:

    “Jesus said “feed the hungry and cloth the naked,” but conservatives know better because those poor people might get their hands on snow crab.” delarm

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/07/08/tighten-our-belts-or-lose-our-pants/#ixzz1RcR8JwtP

    Easy to tell when a blogger is unsure of his position or POV because he frequently tries to get Jesus on his side. I’m pretty sure Jesus wasn’t advocating that governments overpay their workers or that hardworking taxpayers should provide funds for welfare mothers to drive around in Cadillac Escalades.

  28. Roncella says:

    delarm, Maybe you have missed the current news about most states being near bankruptcy or bankrupt. Your mama state dreams of the Government taking care of everyone in need just isn’t working.

    The Tax Payers are Broke.

    As more and more is given by the Government more and more must be collected from the Tax Payers, thats how it works delarm. The Government on its own has no money to give away, it has to take it from the producers who work and pay their taxes.

    Many of President Obama’s picks for his cabinet were not paying their taxes. When it was reported on they immediately paid up. None where prosecuted for tax evasion as You or I would have been, making it necessary for us to pay the interest late fees and all the rest before having a clean record again.

  29. KARDNOS says:

    “ylelaws says:
    July 8, 2011 at 5:45 pm
    Kardnos, I shopped Fred Meyer on Wednesday, and snow crab was 19.95 a pound. That amount of money would purchase 10-15 pounds of fruit and vegatables that hungary kids need”

    Lyle – who in hell would buy the hardest crab to eat for 19.95 lb. when you can purchase local dungeness for less than half that and not have to fight to eat it?

    Now, that being said, you claim you saw the price but did you see someone purchase it with a food card? I’m hip to your manipulative ways with your right wing slander and will probe for the truth.

    You’ve obviously not spent much time in the produce isle of late, either.

    Oh…and we’re not feeding Hungarian kids….its hungry Americans.

  30. KARDNOS says:

    “Roncella says:
    July 9, 2011 at 8:20 am
    delarm, Maybe you have missed the current news about most states being near bankruptcy or bankrupt.”

    And that is why the Republican governors of said states are worried about voters rights, abortion and gay marriage issues.

    The Governor of Wisconsin just took the time to sign a “right to concealed carry” law into act. Great that he had time to do that while avoiding bankruptcy.

  31. KARDNOS says:

    “welfare mothers to drive around in Cadillac Escalades.”

    FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reagans Welfare Mother!!!!

    Tree_Guy – you should be embarrass for posting such trash

  32. KARDNOS says:

    “lylelaws says:
    July 8, 2011 at 6:50 pm
    Great news for you, Kardnos. You said your Safeway doesn’t carry crab meat. Well our Safeway here on South Hill can sell you all you want. Albertson’s and Top Foods will also be glad to take your money.”

    Yes…and the ghetto dwellers do their shopping on South Hill. Lyle, are you as ignorant as you appear, or are you just putting on an act?

  33. KARDNOS says:

    Roncella says:
    July 8, 2011 at 3:39 pm
    Sue1234, Thats chump change, 9 Billion dollars,

    The measure would eliminate about $330 million through the end of September for preventative-health services, including federal funding for contraception and cancer screenings, at Planned Parenthood clinics across the country.

    I think I understand why the Conservatives spent us into debt. They can’t count. $9 Billion is chump change and $330 Million is worth tying up the House for days on end.

  34. KARDNOS says:

    From defundnpr.net:

    “Dear Congress member,
    I am writing to urge you to defund NPR.
    Our government is spending too much money as it is. It’s time to start making cuts, and one of the first things to go should be NPR. National Public Radio’s recent firing of Juan Williams as a news analyst demonstrates how partisan this supposedly “objective” media outlet has become. George Soros, founder and sponsor of MoveOn.org, has recently paid for NPR to hire 100 political reporters.”

    Let’s see…protest a donation from a wealthy philanthropist and seek to cut a few million…..while calling $9 Billion “chump change”

  35. Let’s cut government workers salaries low enough so they qualify for food stamps! Brilliant!

    Or maybe they can’t take that paycut and go on unemployment and medicaid!
    More wingnut brilliance!

    Sometimes I read these letters just to gauge how misinformed some folks are these days…it does seem to get worse every year…Good job Faux News.

  36. tree_guy says:

    “Let’s cut government workers salaries low enough so they qualify for food stamps! Brilliant!” bassnw

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/07/08/tighten-our-belts-or-lose-our-pants/#ixzz1Rd8ugtZ

    A 20% pay cut would not put most government employees in a food stamp situation, but thanks for providing an wildly exaggerated rebuttal.

  37. tree_guy says:

    Tree_Guy – you should be embarrass for posting such trash” kardnos

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/07/08/tighten-our-belts-or-lose-our-pants/#ixzz1RdA7Q9xq

    Did you think you were the only person allowed to publish trash? Let other people have a chance.

  38. WarmNfuzziOne says:

    We are subsidizing failure when we pay for SNAP/EBT. (They stopped being food stamps years ago. They wanted to remove the stigma from them being parasites to now they get cards…that some can use to get cash in casinos.)

    How about this?

    No pets if someone is on welfare. I don’t know how many pitbulls and rotts are in Hilltop and SNAP/EBT don’t cover dog food, it covers the steaks those critters eat so yes, we’re paying for that. And we’re paying twice to feed those kids free lunches and breakfasts.

  39. Yes, Kardnos, I am just as ignorant as I appear to be, but I do have enough backbone to use my real name when I comment on issues. On the other hand, you seem to prefer hiding in the weeds and insulting people who don’t agree with you.

    Oh, and by the way, Safeway has salmon fillets for 16.95 a pound, and a store manager in Tacoma assured me that the prices in Tacoma are the same as those in South Hill.

  40. concernedtacoma7 says:

    What the dems are ignoring- Why is the taxpayer’s job to buy food for so many?

    If all of the programs ended (WIC, SNAP, etc) would children starve? No, they would stay as fat as always. Their parents would treat themselves to Tahoes, LCD TVs, the newest iPhone, and top shelf liquor while the kids eat crap off the dollar menu. Nothing would change, except momma would have a little less cash to spend on her junk.

  41. Beerboy,

    Just a note of thanks to you and Kardnos for pointing out that I misspelled the word “hungry.” Otherwise, I’m sure everyone who read my letter would have thought that I was referring to a food stamp program in Hungary.

    Great work, guys.

  42. itwasntmethistime says:

    Snow crab is not high on the list of items being purchased with food stamps, but candy is. The lady in front of me at Walgreens last weekend had a whole counter full of candy she paid for with food stamps. And yes, I know she was using food stamps because one of the items wasn’t eligible and she threw such a giant fit the store manager let her have it for free just to get her out of there.

  43. A321196 says:

    So Lyle, what are you proposing to personally give up to save the United States of America?

  44. Well, A321196, since you asked I will tell you. at age 78 I am the youngest member of a family of nine. Six of us gave up a few years of our lives by serving in the armed forces during time of war. That includes my father who suffered a near-fatal wound during WWI.

    So, now what’s your bona fide? What have you done to keep our country safe lately?

  45. KARDNOS says:

    “lylelaws says:
    July 9, 2011 at 1:17 pm
    Yes, Kardnos, I am just as ignorant as I appear to be, but I do have enough backbone to use my real name when I comment on issues. On the other hand, you seem to prefer hiding in the weeds and insulting people who don’t agree with you.

    Oh, and by the way, Safeway has salmon fillets for 16.95 a pound, and a store manager in Tacoma assured me that the prices in Tacoma are the same as those in South Hill.”

    Well, Lyle, I’ll give you a big gold star. I chose this name to honor my stalker. Now if I said my real name is “Fred Schwartz” does that change any of my answers?

    You can quote the price of filet mignon, but that doesn’t mean that a family needing food assistance is buying it.

    You keep coming up with the same baseless assertions, and I’ll keep asking you if you are truly ignorant. Safeway doesn’t stock the same items on the Hilltop as they do on South Hill. It’s a fact.

    Lyle…..I do have a question though…are you taking entitlements from the Federal Government…..you know….social security and medicare? Kinda the same as food stamps, huh?

  46. KARDNOS says:

    Oh…and what I’ve done to save my country lately, Lyle, is debunking your right wing baseless assertions and lies.

    It’s a dirty job, but someone has to do it.

    Since you were 12 years old when WWII ended, I’m going to guess that you served in Korea. Please explain how the Korean War protected the US.

  47. Yes, Kardnos, I do receive Social Security retirement funds, and I am covered by Medicare, but when you were reading my basless assertions and lies you must not have noticed that I said that both programs should be cut by 5%.

    I am fine with folks using nicknames unless and until they begin insulting others, but when they do they should at least demonstrate the courage of their covictions by signing off with their real names instead of just hiding and trying to slime people.

  48. Roncella,
    Where does the money come from that the Government gives out as subsidies to Oil Companies, Agi-Businesses, etc.?

  49. Rescind the Bush tax cuts and restore balance of trade, maybe then we can go back to being a prosperous nation. We were doing well before we sold the farm.

  50. “lylelaws says:
    July 9, 2011 at 8:49 pm
    Yes, Kardnos, I do receive Social Security retirement funds, and I am covered by Medicare, but when you were reading my basless assertions and lies you must not have noticed that I said that both programs should be cut by 5%.

    How generous of you, Lyle! You are willing to take a 5% cut in your entitlement while wanting to cut off food card recipients.

    Question – How do you know my name isn’t “Kardnos”?

    I notice you avoided my question about Korea…..

  51. Oh…and Lyle…..I’m not sliming you. I’m demonstrating you for what you are, as you hide behind your Right Wing talking points.

    Your claim – “Salmon is 19.95/lb at all Safeways” – doesn’t mean that anyone buys it with food subsidies. Frankly if the poor could eat more salmon and less fatty foods, the might need less help with Medicaid, but that concept is far too complicated for a Right Wing rant.

    Since we subsidize oil companies for no apparent reason, Lyle, maybe you can explain why we shouldn’t subsidize the fisheries to supply more healthy food on our tables – you know to keep the prices down…….

    How about subsidizing local farming to supply lower priced produce to families, Lyle?

    Since Congresswoman Michele Bachmann and several of the GOP representatives in the Wisconsin state senate get farm subsidies, it must be possible to do.

    Now you’ll answer with a comment that has nothing to do with my comment and then I’ll have to wonder, again, if you are really ignorant or just faking it.

  52. “itwasntmethistime says:
    July 9, 2011 at 3:29 pm
    Snow crab is not high on the list of items being purchased with food stamps, but candy is.”

    Look out!!! Mark this as a red letter day! I agree 100% with the above statement.

    Candy IS allowed to be purchased and should not be. Along with soda and many other things with sweeteners (corn derivitives).

    Now. All you have to do is get the corn growers out of Congress’ pockets…..

  53. “sue1234 says:
    July 8, 2011 at 3:22 pm
    Roncella.. ASK BUSH WHERE THAT 9 BILLION DOLLARS IN CASH HE OUTRIGHT LOST IS…… dont whine until you tell us.
    ————————————————————————————-
    lylelaws says:
    July 8, 2011 at 5:56 pm
    Sue1234, If yoy have something to say, why don”t you just write a sentence or two without just jumping in and screaming nonsense?
    ———————————————————–

    Since when is the $9 Billion missing in Iraq “nonsense”???? If this is your privilege for using your real name…..to make false statements because you disagree with the comment……I’ll stick to a moniker, thanks

  54. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, I think you may have had one cup of coffee more than you need. Your posts are getting more rambling and numerous than usual.

  55. This is why I question whether Lyle is ignorant or just faking it…

    “lylelaws says:
    July 8, 2011 at 6:50 pm
    Great news for you, Kardnos. You said your Safeway doesn’t carry crab meat. Well our Safeway here on South Hill can sell you all you want. Albertson’s and Top Foods will also be glad to take your money.

    Now that was Lyle’s response to this comment from me…

    KARDNOS says:
    July 8, 2011 at 2:20 pm
    I know a man that was a checker in the Safeway on 11th and M for many years. Not only did the folks there not buy expensive items, Safeway didn’t stock them. You don’t stock what doesn’t sell.

    Go up there and try to find “prime cuts of beef, lobster, snow crab, marinated pork loins, colossal shrimp, sushi, party-food deli trays”

    QUESTION – where did I say that I shopped (you know “my Safeway”) at Safeway on 11th and M? I didn’t. I took the challenge from Lyle that asserted:”

    “just talk to a checker who works in the grocery section of a supermarket.”

    Again, I will state for the record that not all Safeway stores carry the same items. There is no sense in carrying a perishable at 11th and M that won’t sell. I doubt that many people on South Hill of Puyallup are big fans of collard greens, thus they either don’t stock the item or carry minimal quantities.

    During part of my media/advertising career, I produced 1,000s of grocery ads for Tradewell Stores (Tradewell, Prairie Market, Family Market).

    What would you like to discuss next, Lyle?

  56. Roncella….YOU’RE comprehension of a cohesive, detailed post is nil.

    Here…so that you’ll understand one….

    socialist, marxist, Obumbo, government is broke, welfare queens.

    Oh…sorry…I exceeded the three word limit for Conservative Comprehension.

  57. Oh…and by the way……

    News has been that social security will run out of money by the year 2037. But groups like the Gray Panthers protested outside the New Federal Building on Mission at 7th Street in San Francisco on Aug. 14th
    They say Social Security is not going broke. Dozens from various groups like SEIU Local 721, SF Central Labor Council and others gathered that Saturday morning to let the public know Social Security is doing well.
    As Social Security celebrates its 75th anniversary this month, they want people to know that the information the press has been given is inaccurate and misleading.
    The media blitz has been that the Baby boomer generation will bankrupt the funds as they retire. And, that by 2037 Social Security will be struggling to pay out benefits.
    This is misleading “Social Security will be solvent for a very long time,” said Paul Van de Water from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. Van de Water worked for Social Security. He now specializes in Medicare, Social Security, and health coverage issues.
    He explained the missing details. “Social Security will not be able to pay out 100 percent of promised benefits by 2037, that’s if Congress was not to do anything to remedy the situation.” Yet still by that time benefits will continue, contrary to the headlines.

    Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/296758#ixzz1RivhVdF1

    So we can cut the crap about Social Security. What DOES need to be done is to eliminate the cap of $106,000 income and there will be plenty of money.

  58. Great letter! And yes, I personally witness this very often at the Winco at 176th & Meridian in Puyallup. EXPENSIVE steaks, tons of junk food, expensive seafood, then the beer and cigarettes in a separate cash purchase right behind the 12.00 a pound steaks. We had a good discussion a month or so ago about this, even a couple liberals had good ideas of modeling the program similar to WIC. There is no reason that all cuts above Round Steak should not be eligible for EBT purchases. As has been pointed out, this would actually provide more nutritional benefit for the dollar.

    Thanks for having the stones to write this letter, thanks to the commenter that mentioned welfare mothers driving escalades. Its true, it happens, and you are racist, or classist, or, or, or if you have an issue with the status quo. The Democrats have already purchased 43% of the American vote with their entitlement enslavement. It is time for a change!

  59. “TMell says:
    July 10, 2011 at 10:20 am
    Great letter! And yes, I personally witness this very often at the Winco at 176th & Meridian in Puyallup. EXPENSIVE steaks, tons of junk food, expensive seafood, then the beer and cigarettes in a separate cash purchase right behind the 12.00 a pound steaks.”

    Having shopped ONCE at Winco and being so disappointed with their meat selection, I find this comment less than credible….but let’s pretend like it’s real…

    Eliminate everything but grounded beef and chicken from food vouchers. The Pork growners will come unglued. The seafood producers know that their market is upscale and thus will not care.

    “Tons of junk food”. Unfortunately, one of the cheapest things on the shelf. Again, the corn growers lobby is responsible for making sure that their products are available under USDA regs. When is Congress ready to take on the Corn Growers?

    Produce – “PORTLAND — Get ready to pay double or even triple the price for fresh produce in the coming weeks after the worst freeze in 60 years damaged and wiped out entire crops in northern Mexico and the southwestern U.S.

    The problem started less than a week ago, when our nation was focusing on the Superbowl and sheets of ice falling from Texas Stadium.”

    Can’t turn back the clock and make the freeze go away….

    Beer and cigarettes? Well not being a consumer of either, I can’t testify, but to my knowledge Food programs don’t pay for these items. Maybe if we outlawed them, no one could buy them…..ya think?

  60. “The Democrats have already purchased 43% of the American vote with their entitlement enslavement.”

    The letter writer has admitted to accepting entitlements at the age of 78. Do you suggest that he return to work to stop taking advantage of the government?

  61. “There is no reason that all cuts above Round Steak should not be eligible for EBT purchases.”

    WHY ROUND STEAK???? Beef is beef. Cut it off at ground beef….and not the lean kind…

    :::Beef producers are taking up guns at this moment and hunting for Kardnos”:::

  62. Over the years I have noticed that those who really have the least to say use the most words to say it.

    By the way, Kardnos, what do you want to be when you grow up?

  63. theglovesRoff says:

    Amazing. 10 comments on this topic and 15 comments on another letter in a span of about 2 hours.

    I think the resident Jester needs to seek professional help for his addiction.

    It is not an entitlement if you are getting paid back what You PAID into the system. And if you are forced to pay into something you don’t want, you can be damn sure you are going to get your money when it comes due.

  64. Melaws- Well thank you for your service, whether it was peace time or war time. Just for the record, I’m a infantry combat veteran of Viet Nam with a Purple Hear with Oak Leaf Cluster and four month hospital time.

    If you’re willing to make a sacrifice of five percent of your entitlements, why not increase taxes for the investors and workers of this country to match your generosity?

    I listened to a Tea Party advocate state he is not willing to invest in new employees because he was fearful his tax rate would increase from 31.5% to 35%. He also stated he expected just reap the increase in profits from the toil of the worker. That’s capitalism. However. to state he was not willing to earn on the back of a worker another $10,000 because he would have to pay an additional $350 in taxes ($3,500 v, $3,150) is total stupidity. That like not picking up a quarter in the Safeway parking lot because it was not a fifty cent piece.

    I personally do not expect the recovery to go anywhere, whether a Democrat or Republican is in office. What jobs are to be gained? Jobs selling cheap goods made in China and other third world countries? Do you really expect manufacturing jobs to return? There are three million US jobs not being filled because our educational system is turning out too many lazy undereducated people. We issue work visa to foreign nationals because we cannot produce educated children to take those jobs. It does not take too much education to drag a UPC code over a scanner at Wal-Mart.

    Go to any store and check the point of manufacture. Our jobs to not allow a person to earn enough money to be entitlement free. For most, our jobs do not allow people to earn enough to retire without an entitlement to pay medical bills.

    When you have all the answers, you can get an appointment to the presidential cabinet.

  65. TheglovesRoff- The definition of “entitlement” means, if you meet the requirements of the law/benefit, you are eligible to receive it. You cannot be denied because there is a deficit.

    If you worked for the required length of time you are entitled to receive social security. How much is dependent upon your earnings record. You cannot be denied because of the deficit.

    If you meet the requirements for medicaid, you cannot be denied because of the deficit.

    Some entitlements are earned and some entitlements are just plain awarded based on meeting the program’s requirements.

  66. “theglovesRoff says:
    July 10, 2011 at 10:47 am
    Amazing. 10 comments on this topic and 15 comments on another letter in a span of about 2 hours”

    And for those keeping track….I didn’t comment a thing since yesterday morning.

    I’m just catching up with the BS that the Right Wing blathered about yesterday while I was spending time with an Alzthiemers facitiliy and enjoying my home and family.

    I wonder what gloveR/whoeverelsemoniker does when not worring about what I do with my time.

  67. lylelaws says:
    July 10, 2011 at 10:44 am
    Over the years I have noticed that those who really have the least to say use the most words to say it.

    By the way, Kardnos, what do you want to be when you grow up?”

    Well, Lyle….I don’t want to be someone that whines about insults and when confronted by real topical issues, just responds with insults. I’ve notice that those that whine the most about insults are usually those who throw feces when cornered on the real issues, as I’ve cornered you.

  68. A321196 – you have hit the proverbial nail on the head.

    The United States has become an import nation because wages are not going up, because we are not manufacturing domestic products because we are an import nation, etc, etc etc.

    Unfortunately, much of our debt that was run up by King George’s Wars is owned by those from whom we import….thus, if we slap a tariff on them, they call in our debt and if the TEA Party thinks a $14 Trillion dollar debt is a lot, just think of a $14 trillion dollar payment due immediately.

    They think we are going to address a financial problem with slogans and campaign promises. It’s not going to happen.

  69. A32,
    Remember how even debating ending the Bush Tax Cuts for those earning $250K would cause ‘uncertainty” that would kill job creation.

    Wonder why not raising the Debt Limit is not causing even more uncertainty.

    Nam, USMC, November 66 – July 68.

  70. A321196, It sounds like you went through some living hell for your country. Thanks for your service.

  71. Lyle…..I note that you avoided thanking xring…..but pandering aside…

    When will you deal with the issues you have put forth. You admit you wrote this letter and have chosen to participate in the discussion. When demonstrated that you don’t have a leg to stand on (discussion wise), you pander to the vets and whine about comments.

    Man up and discuss the subject and bring some FACTS to the table.

  72. Kardnos,

    I don’t mind your insults. I just consider the source, but I do wish you had enough courage to stand behind whay you say by using your real name, but I guess you would rather remain in hiding.

    And you want to talk about “Manning up?”

  73. cclngthr says:

    KARDNOS,
    Cheaper foods tend to have more preservatives and less nutritional value, however, people will buy what they will eat.

  74. Lyle…still whining about monikers and not discussing the subject, huh?

    ccIngthr……you are absolutely correct.

  75. and if you google A**H**** you’ll find a picture of Staged1

  76. Why is anyone shopping at Winco when they are dedicated union busters and most of their junk, like Walmart, comes from China? If you whiners would quit patronizing these kinds of sleazeball operations there just might be enough good paying jobs in America that no one would need food stamps, etc….

  77. Somewhere back up there in the thread, “TMell” suggests, “It’s time for a change.” Well, now where have I been? I thought that is what we were supposed to get in that last “promise fest” we endured!

    Oh well, we can “hope” I suppose!

    :D

  78. tree_guy says:

    “If you whiners would quit patronizing these kinds of sleazeball operations (WINCO) there just might be enough good paying jobs in America that no one would need food stamps, etc….” olemeg

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/07/08/tighten-our-belts-or-lose-our-pants/#ixzz1RnnEdNYt

    Winco is an employee owned company. They pay from $8.49-$22.84 per hour and have insurance, paid vacations, holiday pay, and 401K plans. This information is from payscale.com.

    Why slander a perfectly good company which is employing thousands of Americans at a time when jobs are scarce? If you think you can do a better job establishing an employee friendly grocery chain that the public will support then what is stopping you? Why don’t you show Winco how it’s done?

  79. olemag – WinCo is employee owned. Walmart is owned by the Walton family.

    But – back to the first post that mentioned WinCo…..you do know that that chain is known as a lower priced grocery store…..exactly the kind of store that a budget minded shopper would be expected to be found.

  80. commoncents says:

    I find this argument quite odd….Conservatives wishing to limit what a private business can and can’t sell to their customers AND asking them to absorb the cost of managing the program while removing the whole concept of personal responsibility on the part of the consumer. WOW!

  81. OleMag-the fact that Winco is a non-union, employee owned business is EXACTLY why some of us shop there(btw, have to agree with Kardnos on their meat selection, not a fan of that-Safeway or Top Foods has them on that end).

    Commontaxdollarsofmine-LOL, you sound like Kard on that attempt to spin away from the reality of this conversation. A program like food stamps(EBT), WIC, or any other entitlement program should be based on sustenance. Just as they aren’t allowed to purchase beer or cigarettes with their EBT benefits legally, it makes sense to alter the program to be more like WIC. The arguement that Hormel or, or, or, or, would whine doesn’t hold water. Obama has done that with the “financial regulatory reform”, with “obamadoesn’tcare”, etc. Being beholden to your political interests needs to become second shelf to doing right for this country. And we have a crop of new lawmakers that care more about righting this fiscal train wreck than campaigning for their next election. Great letter-yes we need to change Social Security and other “entitlement” programs so they exist for future generations. It needs to be a social safety net, not a hammock.

  82. “The argument that Hormel or, or, or, or, would whine doesn’t hold water.”

    WANNA BET????????

    “yes we need to change Social Security and other “entitlement” programs”

    Social Security isn’t an “entitlement program”. Your brain has been programmed by Right Wing nonsense.

  83. “Winco is an employee owned company. They pay from $8.49-$22.84 per hour and have insurance, paid vacations, holiday pay, and 401K plans. This information is from payscale.com.

    And payscale.com gets their information from a Winco press release. If a Winco store has 40 employees at $8.49 and one store manager at $22.84, they’ve covered their bases. As to “employee owned company”….I’ll check deeper…

  84. “With over 80 percent of the company owned by employees, WinCo was named the largest employee-owned company in the Pacific Northwest and the 21st largest …”

    http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/WinCo-Foods-Inc-Company-History.html

    Now if one person or a small group owns 20%….guess who calls the shots?

    Winco is not a true cooperative in the legal sense.

  85. “And we have a crop of new lawmakers that care more about righting this fiscal train wreck than campaigning for their next election.”

    Thats why they focus on Planned Parenthood, gay marriage, NPR and other issues that have nothing to do with real fiscal issues.

  86. Roncella says:

    tree_guy, Its really amazing that folks like Kardnos and other leftests would rather the Government give out food and other goodies rather than support companies like Winco and Walmart who provide decent jobs for many people. They also save many shoppers big bucks on their weekly shopping needs.

  87. geez….Kardnos….why not go to Winco.com?????

    Retirement Benefits:
    Most WinCo employees belong to an Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP) that owns WinCo Foods. This exciting plan is designed to give employees an ownership share in our company. The plan allows participants to benefit personally as the company profits and grows.

    There is your “employee owned”…..LOL

    I knew there had to be a catch……

  88. Roncella….why would the government support a private business at all?

    As to shopping, I do most of mine with Costco – locally owned in Kirkland, union labor, consistantly chosen as one of the best companies to work for.

    Winco and Walmart both have a history of labor fights and questionable labor practices. I already knew about Walmart and I just found out of about Winco in five minutes of research….

    Oh…sorry…I forgot, you don’t deal in factual issues.

  89. Oh….and I forgot to mention how much Costco contributes to the local charities.

  90. Roncella says:

    Costco’s prices are no where near as low and competitive as WinCo’s prices and sales are. You are not a very good shopper if you didn’t know that.

    Both Sams Club( Walmart) and Costco are similar type Warehouse stores. Their products are usually packed in larger quantities and offer some products that are not always available in regular Grocery Stores.

    Winco does a great job of keeping their prices low and offer very good values on a weekly basis.

  91. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, I don’t shop at stores because they give or don’t give to certain charities.

    I give to the charities I want to, not because I have to but because I want to. Unlike many liberals I don’t need to be told who I should give to and how much I should give.

  92. “Roncella says:
    July 11, 2011 at 9:24 am
    Costco’s prices are no where near as low and competitive as WinCo’s prices and sales are. You are not a very good shopper if you didn’t know that.”

    This is the reason why Costco is members only. They don’t want to deal with the riff-raff looking for the cheapest tuna per can.

  93. “Roncella says:
    July 11, 2011 at 9:26 am
    KARDNOS, I don’t shop at stores because they give or don’t give to certain charities.

    I do. I support the companies that support our community. BECAUSE I WANT TO…..LOL

  94. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, You are true to form Liberal. You look down you nose at folks who have less than you, yet you claim to care about them and want to defend them and give them all kinds of goodies paid for by TaxPayers of course not you.

    You call the shoppers at WinCo low class and unwashed,

    Shame On You, KARDNOS, Mr. Big Shot. What goes around comes around, maybe some day you too will have to shop at WinCo in order to save money.

  95. “Roncella says:
    July 11, 2011 at 10:51 am
    KARDNOS, You are true to form Liberal. You look down you nose at folks who have less than you, yet you claim to care about them and want to defend them”

    Uh…yeah…thats why I’ve volunteered for the Board of Directors for two charities, worked for another and spent hundreds of hours donating to others. We won’t even discuss cash donations as I think that is a tasteless subject.

    A True to Form Liberal.

    I am a bit amused that shopping at stores that support the local community is “looking down your nose at folks that have less than you”.

    You really went out on a limb that time, Roncella.

  96. “You call the shoppers at WinCo low class and unwashed,”

    NO…you just did. I never said anything of the sort. Are you celebrating the 4th of July with cold beer again?

  97. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, You got caught stepping on your own comments, its called foot in mouth.

    You said “WinCo Shoppers are riff–raff and shop only for cheap tuna”. Your Words Not Mine.

    Its OK kardnos, I’m not surprised that you think your better than others who may have less material things then you. That description describes how many liberals look at others, including minorities.

  98. “WinCo Shoppers are riff–raff and shop only for cheap tuna”.

    Good grief, Rocella….you can’t even copy and paste. Here is my comment:

    “This is the reason why Costco is members only. They don’t want to deal with the riff-raff looking for the cheapest tuna per can.”

    Not one word about Winco shoppers in my comment. You included them

  99. Happy 4th of July, Roncella!

  100. “That description describes how many liberals look at others, including minorities.”

    But…but….but…..YOU said….in your LTE that minorities were richs athletes and show personalities and had so much opportunity in the US. Why would they need cheap tuna????????

  101. Hang on a sec, Roncella…I’m eating some Costco watermelon….

  102. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, That Costco Watermellon cost you plenty. WinCo had them, large size, for 2.50 each.

    Folks like you apparently don’t need to look at prices they just buy whatever they want.

  103. Roncella….

    I don’t buy based on price. I buy quality.

    There is scarcely anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse, and sell a little more cheaply. The person who buys on price alone is this man’s lawful prey. – John Ruskin

  104. tree_guy says:

    We bought a watermelon from costco about 3 weeks ago. It was mushy inside and we threw half of it away. Just cause something costs more doesn’t mean its better or even that its merchantable.

  105. Did you take that watermelon back to Costco for the 100% money back guarantee on anything?

    Personally, I’ve never bought a bad watermelon from Costco, but I think that is the work of the farm girl that I married.

  106. “Just cause something costs more doesn’t mean its better or even that its merchantable.”

    Thus the more expensive the real estate, the less likely it is to be quality?

    How many bad Cadillacs have been bought? Does Nordstrom sell crap? Did Newt Gingrich have a half million dollar charge account at Tiffany’s because they sell zircons?

    Would you like some more examples?

  107. fk

  108. LarryFine says:

    yaaawwwnnnn… still boring blather.

  109. “LarryFine says:
    July 11, 2011 at 8:17 pm
    yaaawwwnnnn… still boring blather.

    Yeah, LF, but due to freedom of expression, we put up with you.

    My compliments on your moniker change. Record time.

  110. tree_guy says:

    Did you take that watermelon back to Costco for the 100% money back guarantee on anything? Kardnos

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/07/08/tighten-our-belts-or-lose-our-pants/#ixzz1RtqyiZfS

    For sure Kardnos, I took an hour out of my day and wasted 10.00 worth of gas so I could get a 7.99 refund. Penny wise…pound foolish.

  111. “tree_guy says:
    July 12, 2011 at 7:09 am
    Did you take that watermelon back to Costco for the 100% money back guarantee on anything? Kardnos

    For sure Kardnos, I took an hour out of my day and wasted 10.00 worth of gas so I could get a 7.99 refund. Penny wise…pound foolish.

    Gosh, I live 8 miles from Costco and can drive the round trip and return a product in about 40 minutes tops, can buy the cheapest gas in town and use less than a gallon to do the entire exercise. PLUS….I can buy some more great stuff at Costco.

    I forgot that a real estate mogul’s time is so precious. Have your valet do your dirty work for you.

  112. You drove an hour out of your way and spent $10 for gas to purchase that watermelon at Costco, tree_guy. You must have had a good reason for going there in the first place, besides that watermelon.

    If your original anecdote is factual, Costco will honor their freshness guarantee by simply showing your receipt on your next visit. They’ll take your word that the watermelon was not acceptable.

  113. commoncents says:

    TMELL – Recognizing that there is waste and abuse within the program – how much is there in relation to how much is being given out. Isn’t that what is truly important? Unless you can show some valid proof that the amount being wasted is worthy of expanding a government entity I just can’t see it as a justifiable cost.

    I hate seeing the waste and abuse too, but expanding a government oversight program (or worse shifting the cost to the retailer) is a bit rediculous as the anger seems to be based on anectodotal observations rather than real world figures.

    Facts and data will show the way. Everything else is just whining.

  114. tree_guy says:

    You drove an hour out of your way and spent $10 for gas to purchase that watermelon at Costco, tree_guy. You must have had a good reason for going there in the first place, besides that watermelon.Polago

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/07/08/tighten-our-belts-or-lose-our-pants/#ixzz1RuMsQFkm

    Please employ common sense, Polago. When we purchased the item it was just one of dozens of items in our shopping cart. We didn’t go to Costco to buy a watermelon. Also, I didn’t say I “went an hour out of my way” to buy the watermelon. I said that returning the item would take an hour out of my day.

  115. “When we purchased the item it was just one of dozens of items in our shopping cart. We didn’t go to Costco to buy a watermelon.”

    That’s what I meant when I said,

    “You must have had a good reason for going there in the first place, besides that watermelon.”

    I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, tree_guy.

    My point, which you seem to stubborn to comprehend, is that you don’t have to make a special trip to Costco for a refund. On your next visit tell them that the watermelon you bought wasn’t satisfactory. They will believe you. You may not even need a receipt. They keep track of your purchases.

    Next time you buy a watermelon at Costco, don’t bring it up here.

  116. Roncella says:

    tee_guy, When it comes to some liberals Common Sense is not usually one of their strong points, thats a fact.

  117. Ah yes, the personal attack. Your bread and butter, Roncella.

  118. Roncella says:
    July 12, 2011 at 10:01 am
    tee_guy, When it comes to some liberals Common Sense is not usually one of their strong points, thats a fact.

    When it comes to Conservatives, command of the English language is not usually one of their strong points, as the above proves.

  119. Polago – tree_guy is trying to make an issue with me because I don’t shop at a non-union grocery store. Pure and simple.

    As I said earlier, I’ve never had a bad watermelon from Costco, probably due to the skill in purchasing by my wife, former farm girl.

    Maybe tree_guy’s real problem is that he is not very skilled in purchasing produce.

  120. You’re supposed to read Roncella’s mind, Kardnos, not what he writes.

    It’s your fault that you cannot comprehend pigeon English.

    Shop wherever you want. This is a free country.

  121. tree_guy says:

    Next time you buy a watermelon at Costco, don’t bring it up here

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/07/08/tighten-our-belts-or-lose-our-pants/#ixzz1Rw1oLj5u

    Kardos started the Costco watermelon discussion. I think he claimed that the extra money spent to buy a Costco watermelon was worth it because the quality was so high. What he meant to say is that it’s nearly impossible to distinguish a good melon from a bad melon unless you’re married to a farm girl. Kardnos is known for these kooky incoherent tangents but I try to engage him so he won’t feel so lonely.

  122. tree_guy says:

    Kardnos, why do you shop at the non-union Costco anyway? Aren’t you afraid of alienating your union buddies? Better not show them your Costco card. Traitor.

  123. Kadnoise mentioned watermelon. Now he is a racist….

  124. sage1 says:
    July 12, 2011 at 5:10 pm
    Kadnoise mentioned watermelon. Now he is a racist….

    sage1 if you were privy to a few threads where race was the subject with karnos providing the accusing finger…

    you can’t know how friggin’ funny your post is to me right now…. LMFAO!!!

  125. Your comments say a lot more about your true feelings toward the races than it does about Kardnos for mentioning “watermelon,” sage1 and xx98411.

  126. “Your comments say a lot more about your true feelings toward the races than it does about Kardnos for mentioning “watermelon,” sage1 and xx98411.”

    com’on man, that thread was hilarious. In an attempt to not sound “racist” the “K” man with the “colloquialism” thingy… I am still rolling on that one…

    Hey, what the heck, I’m snorting Cocaine today… let’s double-down. I could have said “Karnos, why are you eating watermelon, isn’t that more of a colloquialism of the Negro race?” But I didn’t…

    sage1 in case you missed it, I made a comment about low riders and his response was…

    “Low rider? Well……that is more of a colloquialism of the Hispanic population…”

    The best part is that he was serious and was clueless about the response…

    You guys really need to lighten up on the racism thingy… I do, otherwise I would have beaten the crap out of a lot more of you “whiteys” Today, I am proud to say some of my best friends are white. :)

    Come on dudes, let’s see a little smile now.

  127. “You guys really need to lighten up on the racism thingy… I do, otherwise I would have beaten the crap out of a lot more of you “whiteys” Today, I am proud to say some of my best friends are white.”

    Are you implying that you’re not white, xx98411? Not that it’s any of my business.

  128. Not that it should make a difference but I am Certified Brown with a funny accent (Hispanic, Latino… whatever the term is now a days)

  129. It shouldn’t make a difference, xx98411, but we are allowed to make fun of ourselves if it’s at our own expense.

  130. “It shouldn’t make a difference, xx98411, but we are allowed to make fun of ourselves if it’s at our own expense.”

    so i don’t infer anything, what are you trying to say? I am asking because I don’t want you nor I to carry any water for anybody…

    do we really want to go down this road?

  131. aw, the heck with it…

    i wasn’t making fun as in ha-ha fun… I was pointing out some hypocrisy… and it’s not hard to do.

  132. Delarm decrees –

    “do not judge lest you be judged,”…. which of course IS a judgement and is self- exemplary of delarm’s last paragraph, final word…

  133. hey larsman, if your post is directed at me, i am cool with that… i just not sure what you are trying to say…

    delarm???

    last paragraph, final word???

    just askin’ if you care to elaborate

  134. Inconsistency is not always hypocrisy.

  135. that thread was hilarious.

    Apparently you have a very active funny bone.

  136. “Apparently you have a very active funny bone.”

    some of the posts were hilarious… I don’t pretend to be anymore or less than you and your ilk… considering my upbringing in a very liberal multicultured city I am very comfortable with race and race relations… frankly it is a non-issue…. I don’t have (insert race here) friends… I just have friends who bring a certain spice or flavor to the relationship.

    that low rider – colloquialism comment had to have you rolling… come on man… you know it…

  137. I suspect that xp98411 takes a less than serious but more than lackadaisical attitude toward these threads. I can appreciate that. even if we disagree from time to time. I like someone who has something to say but doesn’t get emotional when challenged.

  138. Besides, laughter is good for the soul.

  139. you know xring gave me a compliment a few days ago… now you…

    hmmmm….

  140. There is no hmmmm, xx98411. And don’t let it go to your head.

    Besides, if we didn’t disagree these threads would be a ghost town. It’s the conflict that keeps us coming back.

  141. joke dude… lighten up…

    oh look… conflict… see ya later

  142. kthxbye

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