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BUDGET: Republicans doing what voters want

Letter by Timothy S. Clark, Puyallup on July 7, 2011 at 11:37 am with 80 Comments »
July 7, 2011 2:17 pm

Re: “President Obama should end the debt showdown” (TNT, 7-7).

Writer Katrina Vanden Heuvel accuses Republicans of risking default on the debt by “negotiating in bad faith, and (being) unwilling to compromise even an inch on their extremist and absolutist positions.”

Here is what “absolutist” House Speaker John Boehner said Thursday: “We believe that comprehensive tax reform, both on the corporate side and the personal side, will make America more competitive, help create jobs in our country, and is something that is under discussion.”

Is that extremist?

There is a reason that America put the “extremist and absolutist” Republicans in charge of Congress last November. It is because we know that when we max out the credit card, we don’t fix it by calling the company and asking it to raise our limit. We pay our balance down, we take coffee with us in the morning (if we are still blessed with a job to go to) rather than buy it on the way in, and we stop going out to dinner so much, etc,

And we would not think of going to the boss and asking for a raise. It would be absurd, and it would only make our financial condition much worse down the road. We know this.

The Republicans Vanden Heuvel displays such clear contempt for are simply doing the job Americans hired them to do by negotiating for serious cuts in federal spending before agreeing to any increase in the debt limit. They are negotiating in earnest because their own jobs depend on it, and so does the country.

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  1. Check the polls timmy, the extrimist rightwingers are NOT doing what the VAST majority of the people want.
    look at the numbers in favor of rolling back the failed bush trax cuts, look at the numbers on cutting SS and medicare.
    The GOP is not listening to the people…….they never do.

  2. geeterpontiac says:

    Heuvel is a radical lefty and distorts the truth big time.

    Check her credentials out on Yahoo or Google.

    It appears she has no concept or concern about the document that begins with, “We the people”
    .
    She encourages Obama to continue down his path in disregard to the wishes of the governed that are represented in the Congress of the Unitized States by Republicans and some Democrats who also have problems with the President’s disregard for the Constitution.

    I suppose she would support the President if he simply wanted to dissolve the Congress in order to rule as King.

  3. geeterpontiac says:

    xtp855, the government is not ran according to polls.

    If it were, there would be no Obamacare.

    Our representatives are exacdtly that, our representatives irrespective of party.

    To bypass or ignore them, is to govern without the consent of the governed. (the people)

    And that, is tyranny.

  4. beerBoy says:

    To bypass or ignore them, is to govern without the consent of the governed. (the people)

    And that, is tyranny.

    That is why election fraud (on both sides) must be erased.

  5. geeterpontiac says:

    And I certainly agree with that beerBoy.

  6. KARDNOS says:

    geeter – uh….there is a big difference between the polling on Social Security and Medicare cuts, versus Health Care Reform.

    Many points of health care reform were agreed in majority by voters. Additionally, many of the people that didn’t like the final product (myself for one) didn’t think that it went far enough in terms of closer to a single payer.

    You are comparing apples to oranges.

  7. KARDNOS says:

    “Fifty-one percent of Americans oppose the proposed changes to the health care system being developed by the Obama administration and Congress. Forty-four percent are in favor, with the rest undecided.”

    Now, factor in that some of the 51% are people who are dissatisfied that the reform wasn’t enough and you’ve got a tossup at best.

    I’m betting that at least half of the 51% are not aware of the real name of the legislation, which is an indicator of ignorance, as opposed to real opposition.

  8. KARDNOS says:

    Oh…and 73.4 percent of voters polled disapprove of Congress’ job performance.

    I’ll take the President’s 49-51% approval any day.

  9. fatuous says:

    First of all, the USA is going to keep paying interest and principal on any debt.

    Secondly, non-essential services will be shut down. Social Security checks be a bit short, Medicare and Medicaid payments may be deferred.

    Take a look at Minnesota and you will get the idea.

    http://www.bondbuyer.com/issues/120_128/minnesota-shutdown-day-five-1028539-1.html

  10. tomwa007 says:

    If you beleive the Republican politicians will actually have corporations pay thier fair share, you are dumb enough to vote for them.

    Like ALL politicians their words never match their actions

  11. menopaws says:

    Then why oh why, would those dedicated Republicans vote SEVEN times to raise the debt ceiling when that famous spendthrift and budgetary giant, George Bush JR. was President???? Just curious about why it was justified SEVEN times under a Republican President and becomes a fiscal crisis under a Democrat? Facts and knowledge can be a dangerous thing………Glass houses and stones comes to mind….

  12. To bypass or ignore them, is to govern without the consent of the governed. (the people)

    Which is why we have polls, something the GOP is refusing see.
    If you don’t use the polls, how can they ‘do what the people want’?
    The health care reform by the way is supported by the majority, so you lose there as well.

    The radical rightwing agenda is fully NOT supported by the vast majority.
    That much is very clear, no matter how many circles you talk around it.

  13. geeterpontiac says:

    I don’t know if you guys are missing the point intentionally or simply ignoring it.

    What the Repubs did or did not do in regard to the debt ceiling is irrelevant to this issue. If they raised it, they did so by voting on it. (Personally, I think that was a bad move and I vote accordingly).

    The bottom line is our government is designed not to work in response to polls, but rather by the consent of the governed via the votes of their representatives.

    We have elected representatives whom you may like or despise. But, like or not, when they vote, that is representative government. I despise Senator Murray. But, at least if she is given a chance to vote, I know that 51% of you meatheads elected her. That carries value even if I think she is a nut and you guys are crazy for electing her. Why? Because she at least represents 51% of the population of the State of Washington. Again, that is representative government even if I disagree with you and think she is incompetent.

    And, our government was certainly not designed for someone like Obama or any other President to circumvent or ignore the representatives of the people of our country. Whether you like it or not, he is ignoring you when he does so even if you are agree with his actions in this case. You may get your back scratched this time, but what about the next time, or a different President?

    Do you really want to give up that privilege? The right to consent and be represented?

    That is exactly what Heuvel is proposing encouraging.

    As I said earlier, to rule without the consent of the governed is tyranny

  14. newscrap says:

    geeter
    No, WE do get it, the Republicans don’t. People elect those that they feel will represent THEIR point of view. The problem with the R;s is that they think that if elected people don’t care what they do, and that is not the point. Why the hell do you think Obama won in 2008? It was because the people wanted something different. They may not have yet gotten what they wanted but it they wanted what the Republicans were giving them then Obama would have lost. They better listen to polls if they want to be relected. If they go against what the voters want then they will be voted out. Yes, sometimes they have to make decisions that are unpopular but on the whole they damned well better be headed in the direction that the voters want or they will have short careers.

  15. geeterpontiac says:

    Yes newscrap, but you are still missing the point.

    This country is not designed to be ran by polls.

    Politicians can use them for good or for bad, or ignore them to their detriment as many Democrats discovered in 2010 mid-terms. But the question here in regard to Heuvel’s article, do you think it right to circumvent or ignore the right of the people (you and I) to give consent via their representative’s vote.

    Heuvel essentially advocates ignoring the elected representatives of the people when it suits her or the president’s agenda. That is the issue here. Not what the polls tell us.

    If the majority of people are really unhappy with the actions of their representatives, they will get booted out of office next time around. That’s what happened to many Dems in 2010. Maybe it will happen to many Repubs in 2012. But, they should be allowed to vote and not be bypassed.

    Without our representatives voting, there is no consent.

  16. “And, our government was certainly not designed for someone like Obama or any other President to circumvent or ignore the representatives of the people of our country.”

    Is it designed for the republicans to circumvent or ignore the will of the people?
    The republicans that were elected did NOT run on the agenda they are now pushing, that is the point you seem to be missing.
    Just becaue you agree with the radical agenda doesn’t mean it should be allowed to go through, despite the 80% or better objections to it.

    If 80% of the people are agaisnt something, do you think it should happen, just becasue the reps won an election?
    You brought up health cafe reform, it is supported by the majority, but a far right pollster the joke rasumesson and ONLY rasmussen, had the support at less, you seem to think that poll means something, why not the poll after poll after poll that shows a complete rejection of the far right fascist agenda?

    look to the states and what is happening with the rightwing there, you really want that mess on a federal level? Go ahead but keep in mind the GOP will never regain power again.

    Opinions are one thing but facts are another.

  17. KARDNOS says:

    Geeter – you might want to take note that Murray REPRESENTS her constituents and if 51% (actually more) say they want her to vote against your wishes and she does so, she is representing the majority that elected her.

    Maybe the point that you haven’t gotten is that the Republican majority didn’t run on the platform of cutting Medicare or Social Security, therefore when that is what they bring to the table and get an 80% opposition, the truth is staring them in the face.

    And finally….if you really want to replace Patty Murray, avoid running Dino “Rerun” Rossi. The voters of Washington have spoken loud and clear about Dino three times now.

  18. geeterpontiac says:

    Well guys,

    I give up.

    It isn’t that I wanted you to agree about me about much of anything except the principle that I thought should be most important to all of us, and that is our government is set up to work a certain way via representative government whereby the governed (you and I) have an opportunity to give our consent..

    I thought all of us should reasonably be interested in preserving that privilege. But you guys don’t even seem to care and don’t even understand the concern I have been trying to express. You talk about everything except it.

    It isn’t important whether Murray got 51 or 60%. It isn’t important whether Repubs specifically ignore the will of the people any more than Dems. It isn’t important who ran against Murray last time. Heck, I am not even a Repub.

    It seems to me you guys are so hung up on labels and parties that you simply can’t move beyond partisan politics to look at what we are in danger of losing, and that is our right to consent to the actions of the government. And you guys don’t seem to care.

    I felt the gravity of the concern would enable us to transcend the normal bickering a badmouthing that goes on and talk about it.

    Unrealistic expectations on my part I suppose.

    Have a good one.

  19. And Kardnos reiterates what geezer stated and has to make it his own and try to show that he is superior. I am glad my life is more than trying to “1” up an anonymous person on the interweb.

    Looking forward to seeing this on “the blog”.

    Oh, check out the new polls on dumbo. Looks like the “independents” are not happy with the hope and change……

  20. That would be geezer
    Thank you spell check….:-)

  21. damit
    g e e t e r

  22. KARDNOS says:

    Geeter – your passive/aggressive display is amazing.

    First you attack the publication’s writer with “Heuvel is a radical lefty and distorts the truth big time.Then you work your way to “felt the gravity of the concern would enable us to transcend the normal bickering a badmouthing that goes on and talk about it.”.

    Quite a movement for a “nonRepub”.

  23. Mr. Clark,
    congrats on your new position as a worker-bee drone. you sir, are akin to a lemming, absolutely ready to run off of the cliff.

  24. geeterpontiac says:

    First, Heuvel is a radical lefty and she does distort the truth. Read her bio on Yahoo or Google. She is hard left.

    Second, she does distort the truth because lawmakers (Dem and Repub) have already said that Social Security recipients are not going to lose their checks and the military will continue to be paid, etc. So, she is dishonest.

    And, the harshest thing I have said about you guys was I thought you were a bunch of meatheads and crazy for voting for Murray. It is hardly the usual vicious faire that characterizes arguments between liberals and conservatives on the forums.

    But none of that is even pertinent to the subject I was concerned about. It is the subject you have totally ignored, i.e., the importance of the respecting and gaining the consent of the governed by allowing their representatives to vote on issues.

    And from my perspective, that is really sad. But, just the way it has to be I guess.

  25. LarryFine says:

    Hey, the republicans did it under Clintion, they darn well should be able to it under “the one we’ve been waiting for” (LMAO). Anybody can look at a graph and see that when democrats take control of the purse strings the economy goes into the ….nos.

  26. Capybara91 says:

    You’re either an abject gullible moron or dishonest if you assert the GOP ever cared about the deficit. I don’t know which is more contemptible. The deficit was created when the US attempted to prosecute two wars while cutting taxes twice between 2001-2008. Exactly how was that supposed to add up? The GOP gambled that a Democratic administration would have to deal with the mess and they won and America lost. To be fair, the Democratic minority went along for the ride and compounded the problem by extending the Bush tax cuts in Dec 2010. And we elected these scoundrels and didn’t demand anything better so we got the government we deserved.

  27. LarryFine says:

    Nice personal attack Capy… :)

  28. olbluedoc says:

    Anyone who thinks that the Republicans have their best interests in mind are living in a fantasy land. The only thing those people care about is THEIR tax cuts. Nearly everyone of them are in the top 2% of American wage earners. Yep. I’m not making that up. Over 70% of them are millionaires. They don’t care about ANYONE but themselves. Name one thing they have accomplished since last November besides extending the Bush tax cuts. Nothing. Absolutely Nothing. And you cannot be one of them unless you make over $250,000 dollars a year. Oh sure, you may support them or even vote for them….but your not one of them. You’re just sad wannabes. I say sad because while they SAY they are for God, guns and outlawing abortion, they do NOTHING except line their own pockets with your money. So go ahead and vote for them but you are not one of them because they laugh all the way to the bank while you just……uhh, laugh.

  29. Roncella says:

    The Dems. had complete control of the Congress for two years. Obama and the dems passed every bill they wanted to, including bankrupt Obamacare.

    Now they are blaming the terrible economy on Bush and the Republicans and the Rich folks and small business folks, who already pay more than their fair share in Taxes.

  30. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Geeter, thank you for the comments. 2 of the posters here attempt to drown out discussion through straight annoyance.

    Kard and xtp, tone down you hatred and misery. You might actually engage in a conversation then.

  31. It’s pretty much impossible to engage certain people here in a true dialogue geeter. NIce try though.

  32. KARDNOS says:

    Now that the CONallujah Chorus has all sounded their little message, here is the subject matter:

    On its current course, the United States is four weeks from defaulting on its debt.
    If that happens, businesses and financial institutions will fail. Home values will decline. Mortgage rates will skyrocket. Spending and investment will all but disappear. Social Security checks will stop being mailed. Everything from military pay to food inspection will be compromised, if not cut off. The millions of Americans who are unemployed or underemployed will be joined by millions more

    Take a look at what is happening in Minnesota and tell me that defaulting on our credit wouldn’t shut down our government.

    To quote sozo:

    sozo says:
    July 8, 2011 at 7:53 am
    It’s pretty much impossible to engage certain people here in a true dialogue

    Gosh? People from “both parties” say it won’t happen? Well, then….we know that they have never lied to us in the past…..right?

  33. KARDNOS says:

    Now…let’s move over to the attack on the author….

    “Katrina vanden Heuvel (pronounced /ˈvændənhuːvəl/; born October 7, 1959), is the editor, publisher, and part-owner of the magazine The Nation. She has been the magazine’s editor since 1995. She is a frequent guest on numerous television programs. Vanden Heuvel is a self-described liberal and a progressive.”

    First of all, her name is not “Heuvel”, it’s “vanden Heuvel”. I would think that anyone claiming so much research on her, would at least get her name right.

    As to being a “self described liberal and progressive”…well, the last time I checked that wasn’t against the law in the United States and, in fact, the “founding fathers” (that Conservative love to talk about) were quite progressive, otherwise we’d still be under English rule.

    It’s humorous to watch the extremists get extreme over being noted as extremists

  34. KARDNOS says:

    Roncella says:
    July 8, 2011 at 12:20 am
    The Dems. had complete control of the Congress for two years. Obama and the dems passed every bill they wanted to, including bankrupt Obamacare.

    As usual, a complete lie by Roncella. First, the Democrats had “complete control” of Congress for about 30 days in 2009. Second, they didn’t “pass every bill they wanted, as the GOP set a record for filibusters.

    Now, what is true is that the GOP had majority control over the House and Senate, as well as the Administration from 2001 to 2007. What did we get? Double the debt, two wars not paid for and tax breaks for the wealthy

  35. KARDNOS says:

    Just so that TheSad won’t get confused……the following:

    “On its current course, the United States is four weeks from defaulting on its debt.
    If that happens, businesses and financial institutions will fail. Home values will decline. Mortgage rates will skyrocket. Spending and investment will all but disappear. Social Security checks will stop being mailed. Everything from military pay to food inspection will be compromised, if not cut off. The millions of Americans who are unemployed or underemployed will be joined by millions more”

    Was a quote from vanden Heuvel’s article. I forgot to close the itals.

  36. KARDNOS says:

    “LarryFine says:
    July 7, 2011 at 8:30 pm
    Nice personal attack Capy… ”

    Right on subject, Larry

  37. SadujTogracse says:

    “I’ll take the President’s 49-51% approval any day.”

    I bet you would! too bad it’s only 46% with 47% disapproving. http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

    Notice how the left constantly tries to inflate Obama’s approval ratings?

  38. SadujTogracse says:

    I knew Kard would be posting 100 mph after reading this well thought out and accurate letter. Defensive much?

  39. Roncella says:

    Saduj, It never gets old watching folks like Kardnos ering, and others do the twist trying to make excuses for all the many mistakes Obama, Pelosi, Reid have made for the past three years, of control by their regime in Washtington D.C.

  40. KARDNOS says:

    There is the difference between a CONservative and a Progressive.

    1. I guessed on Obama’s polling. Give me an average for his time in office and a plus or minus three (normal for polls) and I’m a happy camper. I don’t particularily worry about a one week bump – pro or con – on polling.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/148394/Obama-Averages-Approval-June-Par-2010-2011.aspx

    2. Well thought out? Classic attack devices never quoting the article, then inserting every Republican talking point possible? Yeah, a Putzpuller Prize winning letter.

  41. KARDNOS says:

    Roncella….I just corrected your “good old Reagan days” on the other thread…..again…

  42. aislander says:

    I have to laugh at lefties’ posting about “the Bush tax cuts,” and not “the Bush tax cuts for the rich,” now that it has come to light that “the rich” got a rather small percentage of those long-ago cuts…

  43. KARDNOS says:

    “Roncella says:
    July 8, 2011 at 8:55 am
    Saduj, It never gets old watching folks like Kardnos ering”

    The IRONY continues…..LOL

  44. KARDNOS says:

    “aislander says:
    July 8, 2011 at 8:59 am
    I have to laugh at lefties’ posting about “the Bush tax cuts,” and not “the Bush tax cuts for the rich,” now that it has come to light that “the rich” got a rather small percentage of those long-ago cuts…”

    NOW THERE is a baseless assertion. LOL

    Not to mention doublespeak…..LOL

  45. aislander says:

    I recall that we got LuckyCharm as member of the forum leading up to the 2008 election, and I never doubted she was a DNC plant. She was indefatigable, impervious to facts, undismayed by adversity, and as wordy as anyone I’ve ever seen. And she linked endlessly when linking was not as easy to do as it is now. She disappeared with the infliction of Obamacare…

    It stands to reason that we’ll have another LC this cycle, if we don’t already have one…

  46. aislander says:

    I forgot to note that the Obama administration released its revenue projections if those rates are increased to the old levels: $400 billion per year from those with incomes under $200K, but only $70 billion from those with higher incomes…

  47. Roncella says:

    aislander, Yes I remember Lucky Charm defending Obama and the dems. stupid and bankrupted ObamaCare bill, who could forget the many many posts long and unending that she posted in defense of Obamacare,

    Where Is She Now, thats its been proven Obamacare Won’t Work and is Bankrupt before it goes into effect ?? Only 11 states have done start up procedures for this terrible coverage forced on Americans behind closed doors using all dems. and wheeling and a dealing to get it passed in the dead of night.

    I must admit Tuddo, reminds me an awful lot of Lucky Charm, in their far left comments and style of posting, just my own opinion and observation.

  48. aislander says:

    tuddo can be thin skinned at times. It was impossible to faze LC until her farewell post(s), in which she claimed not to be able to take it any more…

  49. “Notice how the left constantly tries to inflate Obama’s approval ratings?”

    No, but we have notice the right undereporting his high approval rating at all times.

  50. Geeter,
    Stop being such a drama queen, everyone understands what your point is and no one is disagreeing with. What you don’t seem to understand is what others are saying to you. Our elected reps DO have listen to what we say, they don’t get to run on one platform and then do whatever they want once the election is over, that is what the curret GOP is attempting to do. Remember “Jobs, jobs, jobs” well, where are they? Show me where they ran on gutting medicare, show me where they ran on gutting SS, neither of which are in trouble and niether are the cause of the problems.

    The radical right agenda, which you can agree with if you want, was disclosed to the voters before the election, and for very good reason.

    All the people want and demand is honesty, if you run on an adgenda, then don’t change that after the election and THAT is what the right has done.

  51. “thats its been proven Obamacare Won’t Work and is Bankrupt before it goes into effect ??”

    Yet another outright lie from the rightists.
    Amazing how they just lie and lie and lie.

  52. sos, your hypocrisy doesn’t go un-noticed.

    ailander, stop makeing stuff up, you are just not that good at it.

  53. “aislander says:
    July 8, 2011 at 9:16 am
    I forgot to note that the Obama administration released its revenue projections if those rates are increased to the old levels: $400 billion per year from those with incomes under $200K, but only $70 billion from those with higher incomes…”

    How about a source to support your claim?

  54. It comes from
    aislandermakesthingsup.com

    pretty cool site, you can get anything you want there, anything at all.

  55. aislander says:

    Oh, and those numbers came from the New York “Times…”

  56. aislander says:

    Hey! Did you know that Iran-Contra was all about the Iranian hostage crisis that ended on inauguration day, 1981?!! Sumn people cannot be shamed…

  57. SadujTogracse says:

    LOL!!!! It’s funny how xtp hasn’t touched that issue since yesterday. I wonder why?

  58. beerBoy says:

    “thats its been proven Obamacare Won’t Work and is Bankrupt before it goes into effect ??”

    The reason why “Obamacare” won’t work is that it didn’t go far enough. Single Payer is the only way to solve the health care cost crisis.

  59. aislander says:

    You mean the “single payer” that all the European socialists are backing away from, beerBoy?

  60. beerBoy says:

    that all the European socialists are backing away from,

    “all” has no exceptions – please provide evidence.

  61. Reagan ‘freed’ the 1979 Iran Hostages by agreeing to deliver military equipment and spare parts to Iran – justified by saying the items had been paid for by the Shaw’s government.

    In 1981, Reagan, thru the CIA, backed and supported Rebels (the Contras) fighting the Sandinista Government of Nicaragua.

    In 1983, Congress prohibited federal funding of the Contras, but Regan continued to support the Contras in part by covertly selling arms to Iran – then engaged in a war with Iraq.

    When the scheme was revealed it became known as the Iran-Contra Affair or simply Iran-Contra.

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/07/07/small-gov-conservatives-show-their-hypocrisy/#ixzz1Rdts4aYP

  62. aislander says:

    I think Regan was Secretary of the Treasury, x…

  63. beerBoy says:

    xring wrote “Reagan” twice and “Regan” once.

    I think your response was snarky aislander.

  64. aislander says:

    There is enormous cause to BE snarky, bB…

  65. SadujTogracse says:

    The issue was not whether Iran-Contra was ok. The issue was a mistaken belief that the ’79 hostage incident was the same as, or even related to the Iran Contra affair that started 4 years after the ’79 hostages were released. Just trying to set the record straight from so much revisionist history going on.

  66. So Saduj – we are agreed?

    Iran/Contra rose to the levels of high crimes and misdemeanors required for impeachment proceeding to proceed but, the chicken Dems looked at the popularity of Reagan and decided to not do the right thing.

  67. aislander says:

    beerBoy: The ONLY reason that Iran-Contra came up as a subject of discussion was that one of you lefty geniuses confused it with the Iranian hostage crisis that concluded with the inauguration of President Reagan some five years earlier. Now, can we put this matter to rest?

  68. “When the scheme was revealed it became known as the Iran-Contra Affair or simply Iran-Contra.”

    I tried to explain it to the rightists but you know how they are. They would rather lie about and think they ‘won’.

  69. SadujTogracse says:

    Nobody won anything. It’s just that some people are smart enough to realize that the Boland Amendment didn’t pass until 1982 and the first transaction in the Iran-Contra affair didn’t occur until 1985. The ’79 hostages were relased in January of ’81 so again it was a different incident and not related whatsoever to the Contras. Some people know that 1981 came before 1982 and 1985, apparantly you are not one of those people.

  70. Sadju, to quote a wise poster here, “Just because it rings, you don’t have to answer it”

  71. That would be Saduj.

    Now I am typing like xring.

  72. LarryFine says:

    bB tailgating you again Ai. ?

  73. More water, Larry!

  74. aislander says:

    Obsess much, Po?

  75. Not nearly to the extent that you do, aislander. But thanks for asking.

  76. LarryFine says:

    Too funny… I adopt the kardnos-polago-beerboy-etc. style and they can’t take it. Aislander keeps eating free lunches- priceless.

  77. LarryFine says:

    So your sister married your brother ?

  78. LarryFine says:

    Sorry, maybe not married.

  79. aislander says:

    I obsess about saving America from crackpot lefties, NOT about water…

  80. LarryFine says:

    Gee bB… what happened to your comment ? ;)

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