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RACE: Pitts could be a more positive force

Letter by Ronald A. Petitte, Federal Way on June 22, 2011 at 12:59 pm with 218 Comments »
June 22, 2011 12:59 pm

There are a lot of wasted opportunities and racial apathy by many blacks and minorities in America today. Leonard Pitts Jr., a successful and Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist for the Miami Herald, uses his column (TNT, 6-22) to influence folks’ opinions about racial equality in America today in a negative way.

Depression, sorrow and despair ring through his column about how one person gets a pass and the other gets the shaft based solely on their race.

Pitts has such a great opportunity to be a positive force in assisting racial harmony among the different races in today’s society. However, he seems to be choosing the same path as two well-respected black ministers, the Rev. Jesse Jackson and the Rev. Al Sharpton, who feed off the hatred between some because of race and actually make a very good living in doing so.

I have watched so many blacks become millionaires in my lifetime and have very successful careers in the process: Michael Jordan, George Foreman, President Obama – the list is endless.

One extremely successful and possibly the richest women on the planet is Oprah Winfrey. She started out in Chicago as a news broadcaster on a local channel and after a few twists and turns she went on to host the most successful talk show in history.

I doubt that there is another country that has given blacks and minorities more opportunities to be successful than America.

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  1. Great letter and right to the point. I just saw today that a group of around 7.000 African-Americans are trying to squeeze some cash out of the State of North Carolina because someone in their family was sterilized years ago. Could it be another one of those deals where certain people were given thousands of dollars because they were not allowed to farm? Naw !! It couldn’t be that, could it?? Or could it be that they are simply taking advantage of ” Obama’s stash”? My question is, if their grandmother was forcibly sterilized, how did they get here?

  2. the3rdpigshouse says:

    pitts is nothing more than a racist supporter of the anti-American marxist/socialist “OH-Bummer” and that isn’t going to change!!

  3. SadujTogracse says:

    “The Pitts” as I call him, has demonstrated over and over that he is not someone to be taken seriously.

  4. “Leonard Pitts Jr. (born October 11, 1957[1]) is an American commentator, journalist and novelist. He is a nationally-syndicated columnist and winner of the 2004 Pulitzer Prize for Commentary. He was originally hired by the Miami Herald to critique music, but within a few years he received his own column in which he dealt extensively with race, politics, and culture. He lives in Bowie, Maryland. He has won awards for his writing from the Society of Professional Journalists and the American Society of Newspaper Editors, and was first nominated for the Pulitzer Prize in 1993, eventually claiming the honor in 2004.”

    Personally, I’ll take a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist over the letter writer any day. If money is the measure of the person, as seems to be when the subject is Sarah Palin, I’d venture a guess that Pitts out earns Petitte significantly.

    Moving on…..is was a mear 50 years ago that the black people in America struggled for the right to vote and the privilege to spend their money at the same restaurant with other Americans, and less than 50 years ago that there were laws in place as to who they could and could not marry. Major League Baseball was nice enough to let a black man play among the 100% white league in 1947. Prior to that, black men who were willing to put their lives on the line for our country were segregated from caucasian soldiers. Only a few years ago, a black man was dragged behind a pickup truck for the crime of being black.

    Everything is not as peachy as Petitte would like you to think because a minority of blacks found fame in entertainment and sports.

    I’m guessing Petitte is not a man of color.

  5. Oh geez….someone will come unglued about too much bold. Forgot to close the font.

    And to frosty……maybe you’d like to be treated like a laboratory rat as black people were treaded.

  6. “RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — Nearly 35 years after ending the country’s most active post-war sterilization program, North Carolina is the only state trying to make amends to thousands of people who cannot have children because of eugenics-inspired theories about social improvement.

    Next week, victims and their relatives will tell their stories to a state task force considering compensation to victims of sterilizations that continued into 1974. Roughly 85 percent of victims were women or girls, some as young as 10. North Carolina has more victims living than any other state because a majority was sterilized after World War II, said Charmaine Fuller Cooper, director of the state Justice for Sterilization Victims Foundation.

    Eugenics programs gained popularity in the U.S. and other countries in the early 1900s, but most abandoned those efforts after World War II because of the association with Nazi Germany’s program aimed at racial purity. However, North Carolina’s expanded, with sterilizations peaking in the 1950s and early 1960s. About 70 percent of the state’s 7,600 sterilizations occurred after the war, state figures show.

    Read more: http://moneywatch.bnet.com/economic-news/news/nc-grapples-with-legacy-of-sterilization-programs/6249339/#ixzz1Q2m35fcZ

    Let’s not let facts get in the way of a silly question.

  7. SadujTogracse says:

    Yes many African-Americans have achieved great things, look at Clarence Thomas. Oh wait, he constantly gets criticized by the left at every turn. I wonder why when one criticizes Obama and Pitts the inference is that person is a racist, but when one criticizes Thomas they are only exercising their freedom of speech? Double standard? Hypocrisy? Naahhhh, not from the left!

  8. “SadujTogracse says:
    June 22, 2011 at 3:16 pm
    Yes many African-Americans have achieved great things, look at Clarence Thomas. Oh wait, he constantly gets criticized by the left at every turn. I wonder why when one criticizes Obama and Pitts the inference is that person is a racist, but when one criticizes Thomas they are only exercising their freedom of speech? Double standard? Hypocrisy? Naahhhh, not from the left!”

    You should know that it is how the criticism is given that makes the difference. Usually it is easy to detect because the supposed criticism given is so full of holes that by the process of elimination, racism is the only thing left.

  9. alindasue says:

    I have been reading Leonard Pitts’ column for years and have found his writing to be, for the most part, fairly balanced. That’s why I keep reading his column. I don’t always agree with the things he says, but rarely have I seen one of his columns that didn’t make a good case for his views. Even when I don’t agree with him, I do come away from his articles thinking.

  10. Mr. Pettite says, “I doubt that there is another country that has given blacks and minorities more opportunities to be successful than America.”
    Just how much credit are you actually giving the USA when you campare us to any other country in the world. I doubt that the World’s record or any one of its countries is one to tout. I could be wrong.

  11. SadujTogracse says:

    “You should know that it is how the criticism is given”

    Ohhhhh ok, so I’ll be sure to check with the “right people” before I criticize Obama next time just to make sure it’s appropriate and that there is no hint of racism (eyeroll).

  12. Read the headline and one sentence and knew who this letter came from….

    Black folks have been “allowed” to entertain us with song and dance and sports for quite awhile. Just because a few have gotten rich doing it doesn’t mean that race and class (which is what Pitts wrote) didn’t have a huge factor in the asymmetrical punishments handed out to the rich white guy who killed two people with his car and the poor black kid who pulled a stupid prank by putting a blow up sex doll in the girls’ restroom at school.

  13. itwasntmethistime says:

    I find Pitts thought-provoking, whether or not I agree with his topic of the day. But what I can’t figure out is this: if you are a young black male and you KNOW the justice system is unfair to young black males (I think we can all agree on that,) why don’t you steer clear of it?

    I’m not talking about this inflatable doll story, because that has more to do with zero-tolerance in schools and terrorist watchdog groups than race, in my opinion. I’m talking about his typical story du jour of drugs and sentencing. If what he writes is true, sentencing is completely unfair for black men. SO, if I was a black man I wouldn’t be touching drugs with a million foot pole.

  14. LarryFine says:

    What does it tell you when a columnist, bent on proving racism exists, spans 2 years and 1,177 miles to draw a (false) corollary.

    Kooky …

  15. If my memory serves me correctly,didn’t Obama win the Nobel Peace Prize?That should give you something to think about.I think if the weatherman said the sun will rise tomorrow and it will get light,I believe someone would call him a racist.

  16. When a Supreme Court Justice’s wife is the head of a political action committee, it begins to smell of confliction of interest.

    You don’t have to be “from the left” to see the handwriting on that wall.

  17. If one doesn’t know what constitutes racism, one doesn’t want to know.

  18. “SadujTogracse says:
    June 22, 2011 at 4:07 pm
    “You should know that it is how the criticism is given”

    Ohhhhh ok, so I’ll be sure to check with the “right people” before I criticize Obama next time just to make sure it’s appropriate and that there is no hint of racism (eyeroll).”

    Sad, it’s really not that difficult. Stick with the facts; don’t make things up to fit your preferences. You should not need to consult with anyone if you do those simple things. Oh, and stick to the context of whatever you quote as best you can. See how easy it will be.

  19. “Justice Clarence Thomas received a gift worth $15,000 from the American Enterprise Institute. He voted in their favor in three U.S. Supreme Court cases. Given his rigid right-wing orthodoxy, it’s fair to argue that Thomas didn’t need to be purchased. He still shouldn’t be taking expensive gifts from people who make arguments before him.”

    A good example of Thomas and confliction of interest.

  20. If black Americans’ wealth ran par with all Americans, there would be 120,000 black Americans earning $1 million or more a year.

    If you added up all of the black sports figures and entertainment artists, I’ll bet you wouldn’t total 1,000 millionaires.

    Yeah…land of the free and home of the brave…….equal opportunity.

    Stevie Wonder, who lived both sides of the life, said it best:

    You just could not know how long we tried
    To see how this building looks inside
    This must be a lucky day for me
    Because the sign says there’s a vacancy

    Look I know you came a long way
    But you made it just too late
    So we had to give it to somebody else
    Well I talked to you on the phone less than fifteen minutes ago
    And you told me that it was cool
    I graduated from Howard U.
    My job is paying good money too
    And if you check on my resume
    You’ll find they all wanted me to stay

    Well I can’t take the time out
    To check your credit card
    ‘Cause the computer just broke down today
    Well I’ll stop by here tomorrow to complete our interview
    But I know what you’re gonna say
    I know what your bottomline is

    You might have the cash but you can…not cash in your face
    We don’t want you living in here
    Say you might have the cash but you can…not cash in your face
    We don’t want your kind living in here
    Too-oo, Too-oo too bad,
    Too-oo, too-oo too sad

  21. Oh…and as to Oprah Winfrey:

    “Oprah ranks 15th among American women but is the wealthiest to have built her fortune from scratch. Indeed only four of the 42 women, or 1% of all Forbes 400 members, are self-made”

    Considering Oprah’s family history, her accomplishments are monumental, but as you can see, to be wealthy in America means you damned near have to be born into it. Considering what we know about earnings in the black community versus caucasian….well….Mr. Petitte’s examples pale (no pun intended) considerably.

    No, Mr. Petitte…..the list is not ENDLESS. In fact it is considerably shorter than you’d like us to believe with your baseless assertions.

  22. I see the lefties nut bowel is overflowing. They talk a lot without saying anything of value.

  23. sincere – a Norwegian committee gives the incoming Commander in Chief of the most powerful (and most aggressive) military force a Peace Prize in hopes that he will live up to it and this proves that there isn’t racism in America how?

  24. blakeshouse says:

    Pitts is nothing more than another socialist/ neo marxist RACIST idiot. His crap doesn’t even deserve the honor of wrapping garbage or lining a bird cage. How this fool ever got into syndication is beyond the pale. As far as winning the Pulitzer, that makes as much sense as the idiot-in-chief getting a Nobel, the act alone diminishes the award to less than a gold start for a grade schooler…..

  25. If you don’t like Pitts’ writing stop giving him so much attention. It is just like lefters doting on every word uttered by the half-guv. I swear….Pitts is the extreme Right’s Palin.

  26. “camas says:
    June 22, 2011 at 10:01 pm
    I see the lefties nut bowel is overflowing. They talk a lot without saying anything of value.”

    IRONY, at its best.

  27. After more thought about Petitte’s assertions about equal opportunity in America, I considered the following:

    Oprah Winfrey and Ronald Petitte live in the same country with the same opportunities and yet Winfrey has become a household name, while Petitte languishes in anonymity. This must be because Winfrey worked harder.

    Micheal Jordan and Petitte both know what a basketball is and undoubtedly played the game as kids. Jordan has become the greatest player in the game and an executive with ownership shares, while Petitte seems content to be a New Tribune letter to the editor writer. Equal opportunity, but one excelled because of hard work.

    President Barack Obama is an American with black heritage, born in the remote, most western part of our country – some 2000 miles away from the mainland. With his opportunity, Obama fulfilled the dream of many children, attending a famous college, becoming known for his accomplishments and eventually becoming president of the United States. Petitte, as we all know, has not achieved such heights.

    Maybe there is something to this idea that everyone has an equal chance, but only a few achieve because of their extraordinary efforts. The rest could be labeled as “lazy” as I’ve seen many times on these threads.

  28. Blakeshouse – did it occur to you that the “idiot in chief” has accomplished more than you have? Unlike others before him, he was not born into wealth and power that designated him to his goals regardless of effort.

  29. As usual Kardnos, kicks the gopcult members hiney with every word.

    I find it fascinating for white people to insist they know all about black people and can assert their state of being, nothing screams white privledge like that.

    Remember, research has consistently shown their is a .8 correlation between being conservative and a racist. The gopcult letter writers in here, graciously prove it.
    May I suggest some of you YOUTUBE Tim Wise, a formost authority on racism and white male privledge.

  30. LarryFine says:

    Ah, gotta love the 3rd person self congratulatory… never mind.

    As I said earlier. Pitts spans 2 years and over 1100 miles to draw a false corollary.

  31. How dare the blacks, hispanics and other minorities perpetuate racism by recognizing it! That is where the problem is! If they would just ignore it then we wouldn’t have a problem. Did I sum up the twisted viewpoint?

  32. Good letter; Pitts is a race-baiter and has been for years. Which is okay, if that’s what people want to read. I skim his column, every once in a while finding a thought provoking sentence or two mixed in between all his “excuse-laden” rationales. It’s attitudes like Pitts’ that are holding people down and back. School is available, loans and grants are available; go and make something of yourself. The thing that infuriates me is hearing inner-city kids describe the minority children that are excelling as “acting white”. That is a direct quote I have heard over and over in Tacoma schools, and in after hours activities associated with lower family income children(lower income children of all races). When achievement is celebrated, and recognized society starts to change. And I really don’t care if Pub, Sue, Krap, etc. think I’m racist because I’m willing to say what I said above. Spend some time with inner-city youth, and you will know what I said above is true. Or, if you have spent time with inner-city youth, you already know what I said is true. Some of the schools are doing an amazing job(like Jason Lee) of creating a positive attitude amongst children who have horrible home lives, and have to deal with parents that constantly tell them they can’t be anything-cuz of course its society that is holding them back/down, not their own attitudes. And kids are starting to recognize that scholastic achievements are far more important than accomplishments on the field or the court.

  33. SadujTogracse says:

    Conflict of interest? All I said is that Clarence Thomas has achieved great things and then it gets turned into a story about his wife and some conflict of interest. What does that have to do with what he’s accomplished in his life? Like I said total double standard and hypocrisy by the left.

  34. SadujTogracse says:

    Kardnos stated “Unlike others before him, he was not born into wealth and power that designated him to his goals regardless of effort.”

    “Clarence Thomas was born in 1948 in Pin Point, Georgia, a small, predominantly black community founded by freedmen after the American Civil War. When he was a child, the town lacked a sewage system and paved roads. He was the second of three children born to M.C. Thomas, a farm worker, and Leola Williams, a domestic worker.[3][4] They were descendants of American slaves, and the family spoke Gullah as a first language”

    Now here’s a man who came from NOTHING and grew up to be a Federal judge and then a Supreme Court justice. Now I’ll wait for more drivel about conflicts of interest in an attempt by the left to “put him in his place”. Talk about racism, if you want to go there, that’s what it is.

  35. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, I can hardly believe you a extreme libeeral/progressive could minimumize a Black successful women like Winfrey, who has made a tremendous contribution to so many great causes.

    Shame On You!!

    I said the list of successful and wealthy Blacks is endless and it most certainly is.

    I am not about to list every Black Movie Star or singer or football player or basketball player, baseball player Business owner, Politician, Minister.

  36. Funny how the rightists call Pitts a racist, then go off on the most racist rant that they can showing, in no uncertain terms, just who the true racists are…….and it’s not Pitts.

  37. scooter6139 says:

    Wow. Are some righties trying too hard here?

    Clarence Thomas has achieved much to get where he is now. I applaud him for that. BUT his wifes occupation is cause for some concern in dealing with possible upcoming cases. I am sure there is a history of all kinds of conflict of interest in dealing with the Supreme Court but that doesn’t mean questioning it now is racist in nature.

    The Supreme Court is officially beholden to no one. They do not answer to anyone nor do they need to fear anyone or anything. Besides Treason, there is nothing that could legally threaten a Supreme Court Justice. You can’t recall them. You can’t really impeach them. They do not need to worry about the ethical standards mandated for other federal judges. In fact, some of the things they’ve done/accepted in the last 10 years would put many of them in JAIL is they were held to the same standards of other federal judges.

    Should Clarence Thomas recuse himself from anything dealing with Tea Party activism? Yes. Should he have accepted money from the American Enterprise Institute? No. Any other federal judge would be in jail for accepting that kind of “gift”. Indeed, attending political fundraising events is against the ethics code but Supreme Court justices (Scalia, Thomas & Alito) do it.

    Is pointing this out racist of me?

  38. “Roncella says:
    June 23, 2011 at 9:12 am
    KARDNOS, I can hardly believe you a extreme libeeral/progressive could minimumize a Black successful women like Winfrey, who has made a tremendous contribution to so many great causes.”
    ——————————————-
    KARDNOS says:
    June 23, 2011 at 7:12 am
    After more thought about Petitte’s assertions about equal opportunity in America, I considered the following:

    Oprah Winfrey and Ronald Petitte live in the same country with the same opportunities and yet Winfrey has become a household name, while Petitte languishes in anonymity. This must be because Winfrey worked harder.
    ————————————————
    KARDNOS says:
    June 22, 2011 at 8:06 pm
    Oh…and as to Oprah Winfrey:

    “Oprah ranks 15th among American women but is the wealthiest to have built her fortune from scratch. Indeed only four of the 42 women, or 1% of all Forbes 400 members, are self-made”

    Considering Oprah’s family history, her accomplishments are monumental

    I’m about to purchase that adult reading class for you, Roncella.

  39. Saduj – the “criticism” as you call it, about Thomas is about his confliction of interest.

    You were the one that brought up Thomas in the discussion. When proof is demonstrated that Thomas is taking advantage of his position in an unethical way, don’t get testy.

    You don’t get to control my part of the conversation and you don’t get to prohibit the truth from being posted.

  40. Nope scooter, since your opinion has a liberal bent to it, you are just being wise; you are not racist. In the event you held conservative views of the world, you would then be labeled a racist by Krap/XTP,etc. But, since you only disagree with Clarence Thomas’ position, you are definitely not racist. It’s only those people who disagree with Obama’s agenda and direction for this nation that are racist…..

  41. “TMell says:
    June 23, 2011 at 8:27 am
    Good letter; Pitts is a race-baiter”

    “Race-baiter” is translated as “something you said is true and makes me uncomfortable.

  42. “I said the list of successful and wealthy Blacks is endless and it most certainly is”.

    How can a list be endless, Roncella? You are so caught up in your own hyperbole that you can’t see the hysteria.

    Is the list of successful and wealth caucasian people “endless”?????

  43. “LarryFine says:
    June 23, 2011 at 7:59 am
    Ah, gotta love the 3rd person self congratulatory… never mind.”

    Oh yes. The old “sue is kardnos”……

    Yabetcha!!!

  44. It is honorable that Clarence Thomas achieved a law degree, from such humble beginnings.

    It is questionable why a woman would put herself on the public arena and talk about his sexual harassment. (If Paula Jones is truth…..)

    It is further questionable about the ethic charges he faces today.

    Now, is holding a Supreme Court Justice to an ethical standard the definition of “an attempt by the left to put him in his place”, or is this one more example of a Conservative using race as an leverage tool when the issue is ethics.

    William Jefferson violated ethics issues. It had nothing to do with race.

    Charlie Rangel has issues with the IRS (which I still don’t quite understand) but it has nothing to do with race.

    I’m amazed that some people go out of their way to deny what is racism and what isn’t. They must revel in the chaos.

  45. “TMell says:
    June 23, 2011 at 9:40 am
    But, since you only disagree with Clarence Thomas’ position, you are definitely not racist. It’s only those people who disagree with Obama’s agenda and direction for this nation that are racist….. ”

    Through the sarcasm one thing rings out. TMell doesn’t feel that Thomas shoud be subject to ethics required of other judges.

    Pointing out Thomas’ ethics question has nothing to do with race. It’s not like anyone said he was born in Kenya and is a Muslim.

  46. Roncella says:

    Poor KARDNOS, he seems all twisted up trying to defend Pitts Jr’s. racist comparison in his latest column, while attacking and smearing the reputation of a truly very intelligent and successful Black supreme court justice, the irony of it all, unbelieveable.

  47. SadujTogracse says:

    Prohibit the truth??? LOL, you first have to find the truth before I can prohibit it!

    I just find it funny that all I did was point out that Justice Thomas has achieved great things from humble beginnings and then the left jumps all over that and turns it into some conflict of interest story. We can debate that conflict WHEN the case comes up, but how come it is you can’t just say “yes Mr. Thomas has become a success”? Instead it’s his wife this or going back to an Anita Hill hearing where she was thoroughly debunked. What are your motivations behind that?

    Hey if you question conservatives motives every time they criticize Obama than the same has to apply to you. No double standards here folks.

  48. Again…Roncella…..PLEASE…if for no other reason that to stop making a fool of yourself, take a reading course.

    There is no smearing here. Thomas is being questioned about ethics. No one is saying he was born in Kenya or is a Muslim.

  49. Saduj – “some conflict of interest story”????? You living in a cave????

    It’s been all over the news for the past week or more.

    Maybe you might want to work on your timing when you bring someone up as your shining example and make sure that the shine isn’t tarnished.

    Anita Hill was “thoroughly debunked???? uh…NO. Thomas was selected in spite of Hill’s testimony. That doesn’t make her story false. That means that Senator’s choose to not make that part of the selection process. Note that I left off the drunk message left by Thomas’ wife early one morning on Hill’s voice mail recently. I can’t hold Thomas responsible for the activities of his wife 24/7. However, Thomas is well aware of the ramifications of his wife being so critically involved in a PAC. That is the ethics issue.

    Before you jump to Mrs. Thomas’ defense on my use of “drunk”….would you prefer that she left that voice mail while sober? At least drunk gives her an excuse….not a good one, but an excuse nonetheless.

    Now, when Conservatives can point out definitively a policy or practice that is Obama’s and comment in a clear, concise, ration statement their differences, that isn’t racist. “Kenyan born, Muslim, Marxist, Obummer”…..well…..I’ll be nice and just say…..CHILDISH.

    Feel better now?

  50. This is what Saduj calls “debunked”…..

    “Anita Hill agreed to take a polygraph test which found that her statements were true. Clarence Thomas refused to take a polygraph test. Thomas made a blanket denial of the accusations, claiming this was a “high-tech lynching”.

  51. Oh…and Saduj….THAT is what is called “the truth”.

    Based on this comment –

    “LOL, you first have to find the truth before I can prohibit it!”

    – consider yourself informed as to what “the truth” is.

  52. “SadujTogracse says:
    June 22, 2011 at 1:59 pm
    “The Pitts” as I call him, has demonstrated over and over that he is not someone to be taken seriously.”

    Shall we now talk about you being taken seriously?????

    Maybe just refer to you as “The Sad”.

  53. SadujTogracse says:

    Uh yeah, she was debunked by several witnesses who worked with Thomas and Hill at the time. Including J.C. Alvarez, Nancy Fitch, and Diane Holt. Your attempt to re-write history doesn’t work with me.

    Wow his wife left a voicemail asking for an apology for lying about her husband, yeah what crime that was (eyeroll).

    And I know about the supposed conflict case, that’s the reason I stated earlier “WHEN THE CASE COMES UP”. Learn to read please.

  54. SadujTogracse says:

    Nope, you still haven’t found the truth there Kard, but I’ll let you know when you do.

  55. Let the morphing begin……..LOL

  56. SadujTogracse says:

    “Shall we now talk about you being taken seriously?????”

    Says the person who calls the legal hunting and harvesting of a caribou “murder”.

  57. SadujTogracse says:

    Oh a polygraph test, well that proves it because we all know evidence acquired through polygraph tests hold up in a court of law…..NOT.

  58. The problem with this letter is that the writer is comparing apples to oranges when he uses successful black entertainers as examples to prove Pitts wrong that race isn’t a big component as to the lopsided outcome of these two cases.

    I would challenge the letter writer to comment directly to the issue at hand, “how one person gets a pass and the other gets the shaft,” and how in this case, for example, the outcome had nothing to do with race.

  59. LarryFine says:

    Let the wallpapering continue…

    The problem with pitt’s column is he’s using apples and ornges to try to prove a (hackneyed) point. 2 years ,1100 miles , and 2 different courts apart… and some how it’s racist.

  60. “… the outcome had nothing to do with race.”

    The outcome never had anything to do with race… it has to do with how well you can do your profession and enough people are willing to pay you a sum of money to engage in the product or service you are good at.

    Oprah can inform and entertain well… Jordan can dribble a basketball and score alot of points… Obama was able to convince a majority to pick him over Hillary and in turn McCain… it really is that simple.

    Forget about high visiblity positions. Did you know John W Thompson?

    “During his 10-year tenure as CEO of Symantec, Mr. Thompson transformed the company into a leader in security, storage and systems management solutions, delivering world class products to a global customer base, including both individuals and large-scale enterprises. He helped grow revenues from $600M to over $6B.”

    What you will find with all these successful people is that they are good at what they choose to do, they succeeded in spite of any obtascle placed before them.

  61. hehehe….

    Polygraphs are not an indicator of truth…..hahahahehehehohoho

    My use of the word “murder” when talking about Palin killing a caribou was directed at the “made for TV hunting adventure”. Palin, at $250K per episode really didn’t need the meat for her family. She killed the animal to appeal to the lowest common denominator of the “human” species. I’m all for hunting if you need to eat. I don’t think Taco Bell serves caribou tacos anyway….

    If you are indicating that “murder ” must be illegal, then that explains why abortion isn’t murder……right?

  62. I would rather have the wife of Justice Thomas openly belong to a special interest than the wife of the President openly show disdain for the very people who house, feed and educate her and her family. I would rather have someone like Justice Thomas’s wife belong to a non-government organization, spending non-government money than to have the President’s wife flying to Africa and promising them that America stands with them (code words for we will give you more money). I wonder if Justice Thomas’s wife has a 747 to fly her around on vacation at taxpayer expense? Hmmmm ? just a thought.

  63. xx…..demonstrate for us that there is a proportionate number of black business millionaire to caucasion and you’ll have me convinced.

    Meanwhile the sports stars and entertainers worked hard to talent their craft and have great attorneys negotiating with the franchise owners and network executives to make the most possible money for their clients – much to the chagrin of most Americans.

    “Who’s overpaid for the job they’re doing: New York Yankees star Alex Rodriguez or Merrill Lynch CEO Stanley O’Neal? The answer might depend on whether you’re a Yankees fan or a Merrill Lynch shareholder.

    CEO pay has been a hot-button issue for years, and with pay packages like those of Reuben Mark, head of Colgate-Palmolive (nyse: CL – news – people ), whose total compensation was $147.97 million last year, the debate won’t end anytime soon.” (Forbes).

    Now ask yourself, who contributes more to the economic success of their employer…..a CEO or an all-star that sells tickets?

    For all their success and fame, most black athletes and entertainers can’t touch Wall Street or CEOs.

    The letter was baseless assertions, and stereotypical hyperbole.

  64. Why hasn’t anyone commented about the success of Herman Cain? I’m sure he would disagree with the libs about what is good for minority groups in this country. He has lived it and risen to the top. I place more hope and faith in the likes of Justice Thoams and Herman Cain than I do some race baiter like Pitts, Sharpton or Jesse Jackson.

  65. frosty…unfortunately for you

    (1) your comment about Mrs Obama is false at best.

    (2) every First Lady gets such treatment

    (3) if Mrs Obama belonged to the ACLU you’d go out of your mind (if not already achieved)

    Judges wives have to lead very carefully chosen lives. If she finds her political activity to be in conflict with her husband’s job, she should talk to him about resigning to avoid confliction of interest.

  66. SadujTogracse says:

    “Palin, at $250K per episode really didn’t need the meat for her family.”

    Actually if you watched the episode she was low on meat in her freezer. Yes she could have bought some I suppose, but her Dad, her husband, and Sarah herself, do go hunting all the time and they eat the meat of the animals they kill. So the episode was showing what they do in “real life”. But I’m glad you can decide for them what they “need” and what they don’t. That fits perfectly with your big Government point of view.

    No matter how you view the episode, using the word “murder” is the most ridiculous thing ever said.

  67. I don’t believe a lot of Americans have stock or their retirement accounts vested in sports teams. Again, apples and oranges. Keep scratching around, you might come up with something that makes sense.

  68. SadujTogracse says:

    frosty, Cain is another fine example. Thanks for bringing that one up!

  69. “The Sad” isn’t doing so well at the plate today. Strike two.

    “Admissibility – Polygraph results (or psychophysiological detection of deception examinations) are admissible in some federal circuits and some states. More often, such evidence is admissible where the parties have agreed to their admissibility before the examination is given, under terms of a stipulation. Some jurisdictions have absolute bans on admissibility of polygraph results as evidence and even the suggestion that a polygraph examination is involved is sufficient to cause a retrial.”

  70. Where is it written that a judge’s wife is to be held to a higher standard than the president’s wife? Secondly, there are organizations that are worse than the ACLU, such as a racist church in Chicago.

  71. SadujTogracse says:

    “If you are indicating that “murder ” must be illegal, then that explains why abortion isn’t murder……right?”

    No, I’m indicating it must done against A HUMAN BEING, brainiac. Go read a dictionary sometime..”The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.”

  72. Larry makes a good point, that these cases aren’t close enough in time and distance to draw a direct conclusion. Their socioeconomic differences play into it as well.

    But, What does Opera and all the rest have to do with these two cases? Nothing!

  73. To question rather or not Palin “needed” the meat is laughable. Does everyone who goes to Safeway and buys a pound of hamburger “need’ it? I, like most other people have a thing called a “freezer”. The intended use of the “freezer” is to store food items. Keep scratching.

  74. Again….I applaud the success of Herman Cain.

    Now….will someone please prove that there is a proportionate amount of black millionaires to caucasians?

    These single incidents are wonderful, especially when, if you go about about one or two generations, their kind of success would be impossible.

    Just think Michael Jordan made millions on his name.

    Jackie Robinson, prior to 1947 didn’t get to play in the big leagues and then, had to put up with racial slurs, spitting on him and physical attacks. He got the pleasure of not being able to eat with his team on many occasions.

    Did Jordan do something different than Robinson? No. Jordan might not have existed if not for Robinson.

    Then there is the other Robinson – Max. Robinson began his television career in 1959, when he was hired for a news job at WTOV-TV in Portsmouth, Virginia. Because of his race, he was forced to read the news while hidden behind a slide of the station’s logo. Luckily for Oprah, Max was willing to go through such embarrassment.

  75. “SadujTogracse says:
    June 23, 2011 at 11:55 am
    “If you are indicating that “murder ” must be illegal, then that explains why abortion isn’t murder……right?”

    No, I’m indicating it must done against A HUMAN BEING, brainiac. Go read a dictionary sometime..”The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.”

    OH>>>>>so a prized pet can’t be murdered??????? Alert the media

    “August 26, 2010

    Family pet murdered during burglary
    Becky Crissman
    Cordele Dispatch The Cordele Dispatch Thu Aug 26, 2010, 09:00 AM EDT

    Cordele — Police are still investigating a weekend burglary that ended in the brutal slaying of a family’s beloved pet.

    According to reports from the Cordele Police Department, officers were called to an apartment at 515 East 7th Avenue where they made contact with Walter Laroy Shirah, whose son Michael, resided in the apartment.”

    Strike Three!!!!

  76. “:frosty says:
    June 23, 2011 at 11:53 am
    Where is it written that a judge’s wife is to be held to a higher standard than the president’s wife? Secondly, there are organizations that are worse than the ACLU, such as a racist church in Chicago.

    When did you attend the church in question to acertain the content and context of its message? You wouldn’t be working with heresay, now, would you?

    Higher standard? No. We are talking ethics here. Mrs. Obama has not accepted any unethical contributions. FOX would have exploded had that happened.

  77. One thing about Herman Cain…..although he has been successful in business, he might want to work on his delivery for politics:

    Earlier this week, Cain gave an interview to Christianity Today in which he declared that, “based upon the little knowledge that I have of the Muslim religion, you know, they have an objective to convert all infidels or kill them.”

    ThinkProgress caught up with the former CEO of Godfather’s Pizza today at the Conservative Principles Conference in Des Moines, Iowa, to discuss his comments further. We asked him, in light of his statements on Islam, would he be comfortable appointing any Muslims in his administration. Rather than skirting the question or hedging his answer, as most presidential aspirants are wont to do, Cain was definitive: “No, I will not”:

    KEYES: You came under a bit of controversy this week for some of the comments made about Muslims in general. Would you be comfortable appointing a Muslim, either in your cabinet or as a federal judge?

    CAIN: No, I will not. And here’s why. There is this creeping attempt, there is this attempt to gradually ease Sharia law and the Muslim faith into our government. It does not belong in our government. This is what happened in Europe.

    To his credit, Cain says he is not a politician.

  78. Well…back to reorganizing the studio……

  79. For your information, that pound of hamburger came from a cow, yes, a cow was killed, slaughtered, strung up, gutted and cut to pieces for that pound of hamburger, or do like like many other school children think that meat comes from a package? As to wheteher the animal was killed on T.V or in in a slaughter house is irrelevent to the animal. Odds are that the caribou suffered less than the cow did.

  80. As for the percentages of minority millionaires compared to whites. Maybe you should look at the racist policies of the left who essentially told black families that they don’t need a husband and father, Uncle Sam will provide for your needs. Place the blame where it belongs, squarely on the backs of liberals who think that minorites must be coddled and spoon fed.

  81. Saduj – the “criticism” as you call it, about Thomas is about his confliction of interest.

    That, and the fact that, in 5 years, Justice Thomas has asked absolutely no questions during oral arguments before the Court.

    http://harvardcrcl.org/2011/02/17/what-does-it-mean-when-justice-thomas-says-nothing/

  82. I for one applaud Herman Cain’s honesty. There’s a lot of politicians who feel exactly the same way but do not have the guts to say it. That’s another reason to vote for him.

  83. “high-tech lynching”

    Gee…..where were ron, et al to complain about playing the race card?

    This has nothing to do with the fact that he is “conservative” and black it is that he is incompetent and used his blackness as a shield.

    Clarence Thomas stated under oath that he never discussed, nor formed an opinion about Roe v. Wade even though he was in law school at the time. Either he perjured himself or he was one of the most monumentally incurious law students of all time. Either way – he should have been disqualified for that.

    But Biden and other white Dems were so afraid of the race card that they bent over backwards to accommodate Thomas.

  84. Seriously “murder” of a caribou. If you (Kard) can’t understand that a cow or bull or steer is killed to obtain hamburger, just as a caribou is also killed for its meat. Life in Alaska is different than yours. “Need” is not always defined in financial terms. I fish-I eat the salmon I choose to keep, and I release any fish I am not going to consume. Yes I could afford to go buy the same salmon in the store if I wanted, but I choose to obtain it in the traditional hunter/gatherer format. I enjoy it, I enjoy my children understanding where meat comes from. I am certain she has a far higher appreciation for the caribou than you do.

  85. frosty – just what is the First Lady doing that could possibly be conceived as conflict of interest?

  86. Am I the only one to notice how the Right has shifted this argument to the definition of “murder” when it comes to an animal?

    They ran out of rhetoric on racism.

    Again….in my opinion….Sarah Palin, at $250K per episode, didn’t NEED to kill a caribou and did it for pleasure and show. Call it what you want, I call it murder of a defenseless animal.

    If you all think that cattle are mistreated, I suggest you get up in arms about corporate ranching and stop said mistreatment.

    As to ignorance….well…..if having a sense of beauty in a wild animal is ignorant……….I’m guilty as charged.

  87. “I am certain she has a far higher appreciation for the caribou than you do”

    Yes indeed!!! As demostrated by her need to kill one as opposed to sharing the beauty of the animal with her audience and then leaving it to live another day.

    If I appreciate something enough, I guess I need to kill it.

    ::::original eyeroll/copyright 2011:::::::::::

    My brother in law has a great analogy. If hunting is sport, all hunter should have to dress up like the animal hunted and he who comes out alive, wins!

    LMAO

  88. “xx…..demonstrate for us that there is a proportionate number of black business millionaire to caucasion and you’ll have me convinced.”
    First – by proportionate you keep looking for fairness of outcome… that can never, ever be guaranteed… proportional or not…

    Second – why use white people as a measure of success? I don’t compare my success to the white people I am living next to. We both are making different choices that make any comparison to them invalid.

    Third – I choose a CEO of a company as an example of success outside of the entertainment and sport fields… frosty has another currently high profile former CEO… Herman Cain… he has an interesting story.

    Screw the letter then… black people, brown people, yellow people, red people has every opportunity for success in this great nation.

  89. “but I choose to obtain it in the traditional hunter/gatherer format”

    Spears and knife-like objects?

    This gets funnier by the minute….LOLOL

  90. xx…..well…alrighty then.

    the letter writer had every opportunity to become an NBA player, but due to laziness among his culture, he failed. LOL

    Who said anything about “using white people as a measure”.. That is pure misrepresentation of my statement.

    I said PROPORTIONATELY. BIG difference.

  91. The claim is that everyone has the same opportunity, thus why wouldn’t the outcome be proportionate…..give or take 3%?

    Or…could it be….that certain cultural divides allow less of a certain culture to reach the same success level?

    Is the minority number of caucasian players in the NBA due to a lack of opportunity to caucasians?

  92. “Now….will someone please prove that there is a proportionate amount of black millionaires to caucasians?”

    False comparison… money is but one measure of success and not the only one. A person can be “successful” and not make a lot of money. You are again assuming that what is good for white people is also good for black people.

    We are all different and have different measures of success… comprende?

  93. SadujTogracse says:

    So an article in a newspaper means the dictionary definition is wrong? Because of course the media NEVER gets something wrong. Kardnos you have so many strikes against you that I lost count years ago.

    Now he says…”Again….in my opinion….Sarah Palin, at $250K per episode, didn’t NEED to kill a caribou” Oh so now it’s kill? Do you know there is a difference between kill and murder Kardnos? Which is it? Make up your mind please.

    Who are you to decide what people’s needs are? You keep saying she didn’t need to kill it, well you don’t need to post here either Kardnos, but you do. If the meat was used to feed people of the animal that was killed then there is nothing wrong with it. As Ted Nugent says you have to kill it before you can grill it. Apparantly Kardnos doesn’t know that either.

  94. “the letter writer had every opportunity to become an NBA player, but due to laziness among his culture, he failed. LOL”

    Maybe the letter writer had the same opportunity to play ball in school, college. Practice his butt off, etc… but just simply sucks at playing b-ball and hence cannot compete with those that have better skills then he does.

    “I said PROPORTIONATELY. BIG difference.”

    You then have to assume that the same number of black people have the same proportional desire to work on Wall Street as white people… does that make any sense to you?

    We are all different and have different goals and desires.

    “Is the minority number of caucasian players in the NBA due to a lack of opportunity to caucasians?”

    First – you are assuming there is a minority of anything in basketball, there is not. White people dominated the game until owner folks realized black people can play b-ball too. The NBA is a perfect example of skill and talent over skin color. A chinaman gets tall enough, have some game and talent, he can play too.

  95. “First – you are assuming there is a minority of anything in basketball, there is not.”.

    Hmmmm….this looks like a challenge

    From Slamonline – “In the NBA, 83 percent of the players were people of color”

    It’s pretty tough to miss that unless you don’t watch the NBA.

    “White people dominated the game until owner folks realized black people can play b-ball too.”

    Uh….NO. The NCAA and NBA were segregated. HBO did a wonderful special on it. the NBA was segregated for the first 4 years. It was a big deal when the Minneapolis Lakers played the Harlem Globetrotters in an exhibition game.

  96. Bottom line….the letter writer tries to paint a picture that everyone is equal in the US.

    If you forget about the first 175 years, that might be a true statement.

    I think that is exactly what the letter writer wants, but that’s not reality.

  97. SadujTogracse says:

    Actually all the letter writer said is that Pitts should use his influence by being more optimistic and positive instead of falling for the victim mentality that people like Sharpton and Jackson constantly push. Pretty easy to comprehend really.

  98. Don’t you just love how the harder the rightists try to prove they aren’t racists, the more they prove they really are!

  99. One need not have blinders on to the injustices that have been inflicted upon blacks in this country, and yet there is most assuredly room for a more positive tone that will lead people of different races INTO dialogue and relationship rather than widen the gap between them. Pitts is a gap-widener.

  100. Saduj – .”Pitts should use his influence by being more optimistic and positive”

    But who would read all those Happy Happy, Joy Joy stories about peace and harmony and don’t look at that because it isn’t nice and might upset the white guilters?

    So…….which other nationally syndicated columnist do you think should have the same requirements to “use his influence by being more optimistic and positive”? Let me guess…….Eugene Robinson?

  101. KARDNOS – yes, I agree, hunting for sport or, rather, televised spectacle is not what I would consider ethical hunting but to call it murder is a bit much.

  102. LOL, hunting for sport, AND televising it does not make it barbaric. Guess what….a lot of people that enjoy hunting or enjoy fishing want to pass that joy on to others. One way of doing this is through the medium of television.

    Sozo, you just summed it up. Pitts could choose to further improve race relations, or race-bait. This most recent editorial of his is just another example.

  103. NBA… 83% are people of color… and the point is? Each and every one of those people, colored or not, got there based on some talent not skin color. People don’t go to a b-ball game (or any game) and look at the field and think “ooohh, look at the diversity on the field… they really suck though but man they sure are a diverse team”

    Segregated… talk about a stupid business decision… until some enterprising white folk realized that if they not only let black folk play b-ball and in turn let the black folk handing over green colored paper at the gate come in to watch, they could make a lot more money.

    You can point to all the previous injustices all you want karnos, the US and the world in a lot better place for all persons regardless of melanin.

    The opportunities are there, the agencies to assist are there… a person just has to begin… their desire, guts, fortitude, passion, talent, skill, etc… will provide the result they seek.

  104. aislander says:

    All of America should be like the NBA, xx98411. Not the 83% black part–that will be whatever it will be–but the meritocracy part.

    There was a symphony orchestra in the East or Midwest that was considered one of the best in the world. Its auditions were held with the prospective musician hidden behind a sheet, so that the selection would be completely about the ability of the candidate.

    It transpired that the “racial balance” was…er…unbalanced, and the philharmonic organization was ordered by a judge or EEOC–I forget which–to hire more “musicians of color,” and to do that they were forced to abandon their objective auditioning method. Soon, the quality of the orchestra began going down hill–not because minorities were being hired, but because the best musicians weren’t being hired…

  105. “The opportunities are there, the agencies to assist are there… a person just has to begin… their desire, guts, fortitude, passion, talent, skill, etc… will provide the result they seek.”

    So…again…you are saying that caucasian basketball players lack “desire, guts, fortitude, passion, talent, skill, etc” in comparison to their black counterparts, thus their less that equal representation per capita?

    A rather pat answer to a complicated scenario, which is my complaint about the letter. But frankly, I didn’t expect much more from this particular writer.

    Think of the “desire, guts, fortitude, passion, talent, skill, etc” by Medgar Evers or Martin Luther King, Jr. What did they get for their hard work?

    The United States has taken a few baby steps in the direction of equality, but still lacks the big picture. Ask any woman who works for about 75% of her male executive counterpart.

    Bias need not be skin color.

  106. “philharmonic organization was ordered by a judge or EEOC–I forget which–to hire more “musicians of color,”

    I’ll have to research this one, but you might be amazed to know that Hugh Hefner pioneered having black musicians and comedians in the Playboy Clubs when venues were still segregated. Hef also booked them on his TV show.

    Knowing how many quality brass, woodwind and percussion players come out of the black colleges with their tremendous marching band programs, I’m amazed to not see more black musicians in symphonies and such. About the only place I saw equal representation was the pit orchestera for “The Color Purple” at the Pantages, last winter. Ironic, no?

  107. “Since 1997, the Vienna State Opera has held auditions for 35 positions and has hired 5 women. The last two are tutti violinists who were auditioned only about two weeks ago. For the last eight years the m/f hiring ratio has been about 10 to 1. With the two new women it rises to about 7 to 1. Eight years after the Vienna State Opera agreed to admit women, they thus have 5 of the orchestra’s 149 positions. Only one of these women has been made a member of the Vienna Philharmonic.”

    It’s not just color.

  108. LarryFine says:

    Sarah Palin should be no more of topic on this thread than James Hansen, millionaire Climate Change Scientist.

  109. “LarryFine says:
    June 23, 2011 at 5:40 pm
    Sarah Palin should be no more of topic on this thread than James Hansen, millionaire Climate Change Scientist.”

    You need to dress down “The Sad”, aka, Saduj, who brought the subject into the thread.

  110. SadujTogracse says:

    KARD-NOS-NOTHING made yet another false statement. The first mention of Palin in this thread, you guessed it, Kardnos! I only made a comment about how ridiculous it was to say the hunting of a caribou is murder, KARD-NOS-NOTHING took it from there.

  111. AGAIN…The Sad manipulates the issue….

    “SadujTogracse says:
    June 23, 2011 at 10:38 am
    “Shall we now talk about you being taken seriously?????”

    Says the person who calls the legal hunting and harvesting of a caribou “murder”.

    That comment was directed at me for something I said months ago (you really need to get a life other than mine) about Sarah Palin’s “reality” show. Now, The Sad would like you to believe that it didn’t bring up Sarah Palin.

    Sort of like the misdirections of Anita Hill’s testimony and attempting to lie and say polygraphs are not used in court.

    Another day…..another SAD lie.

    You’d think that The Sad would quit…..but….SADLY, NO.

  112. SadujTogracse says:
    June 23, 2011 at 10:32 am
    Uh yeah, she was debunked by several witnesses who worked with Thomas and Hill at the time. Including J.C. Alvarez, Nancy Fitch, and Diane Holt. Your attempt to re-write history doesn’t work with me.

    “Four individuals (Ellen Wells, John W. Carr, Judge Susan Hoerchner, and Joel Paul) testified that Hill had been upset at the time she worked for Thomas about what she had said was sexual harassment by him. Angela Wright, another of Thomas’ subordinates, stated that she had not considered the behavior to be sexual harassment, but that others might.”

    Who is rewriting what??????

  113. Nope didn’t say that but a white player can have all the desire to play, the guts to work through trials and tribulations, the fortitude to do whatever one does with that and the passion to put a face on the b-ball… call it “Wilson” and sleep with it. With all that, if someone else has more skill and talent then oh well, good try.

    In your world someone “lacks” things…. Maybe no matter how much you practice someone else is just better, doesn’t mean you suck, someone else is just simply better than you no matter how much you try.

    Evers and King changed a the view of a nation… that’s what I see… if you just see a bullet, then I am sad for you and your view.

    Women… 75%… changing the subject???

  114. aislander – I heard about that a while back also and thought that was government bunk at work again screwing up a wet dream.

    I was actually intrigued by the show “The Voice”. The four judges couldn’t see the singers when they were singing and I guestimate that a few were indeed picked based on their voices alone.

  115. karnos with the “equal representation” again… maybe black folk would rather be jazzin it up than playin’ in a stuffy old symphony hall.

    Maybe black folk just don’t give a rat buttocks about classical music. Sometimes it is that simple.

  116. SadujTogracse says:

    Kardnos spinning like a top again. It doesn’t matter to me who hunted and shot the caribou. My only point was that calling that murder is absurd. I didn’t mention Palin’s name first, you did. A simple search of the thread will reveal I’m correct.

  117. xx – again with the stereotypes?

    Here’s a dose of culture for your deprived soul.

    http://africlassical.blogspot.com/2009/10/students-musicians-symphony-benefited.html

  118. LarryFine says:

    … and still the fact that pitts’ manufactured outrage spans 2 years, 1100 miles, and 2 different judges gets lost on the apologists… except for polago.

  119. karnos – again with the extremes or exceptions… no one ever said ALL black folk do not like the symphony…

    the program was sponsored to reach out to persons of color… no problem.

    it was privately funded… definitely no problem.

    it was supported by the community and not mandated by the government… without a doubt no problem.

    it has been well received and has continued over the years… cool, no problemo

    On the cynical side:

    do you not see that the program self segregates black and brown folk from the white folk. white kids can suck at music too, not have “access” to instruments. If you are a white kid are you not feeling a little unwelcomed or at worst a little left out of this program.

    the program is named “Classically Black” as a certified member of the brown side of the sandbox I kinda wondering if I am brown enough and wondering if my accent might be a little off putting to the black folk.

    The San Bernardino Orchestra is participating in developing future musicians of color. Whether these musicians make it to the big boy sandbox is up to the student. A blind audition, as has been discussed before, will be the greatest test of talent.

    Great program, awesome that the kids get to play on the main stage in front of a supportive crowd. The kids have been presented with an opportunity. Thank you karnos, this story has warmed my heart this AM.

  120. As I wrote yesterday I’ll say again since someone had the comment deleted, “can we all assume that KARDNOS is a vegetarian since he doesn’t believe in killing an animal for meat? Or does he prefer to have an under-paid illegal immigrant kill his meat for him”?

  121. Your story, aislander, about the orchestra makes the essential point. We are not all equally gifted at EVERYthing. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if merit were actually the requirement for any job or position. I’m thinking (call me naive) that we’d find that things would come out quite balanced, giving the Creator’s knack for creating and dispensing gifts.

  122. “frosty says:
    June 24, 2011 at 7:40 am
    As I wrote yesterday I’ll say again since someone had the comment deleted, “can we all assume that KARDNOS is a vegetarian since he doesn’t believe in killing an animal for meat? Or does he prefer to have an under-paid illegal immigrant kill his meat for him”?

    Thanks, frosty, you’ve opened the door for my two favorite subjects – Conservatives’ lack of reading ability and illegal aliens imported by the meat industry to break the unions

    First….your reading lesson –

    “KARDNOS says:
    June 23, 2011 at 11:40 am
    Palin, at $250K per episode really didn’t need the meat for her family. She killed the animal to appeal to the lowest common denominator of the “human” species.L
    I’m all for hunting if you need to eat.

    As to my personal dietary habits, I eat less and less meat as time goes on…but I digress. I prefer shellfish and some fin fish.

    Now….illegals in meat packing:

    “By Tim Potter, The Wichita Eagle, Kan. Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News

    Dec. 23–The nation’s largest meat producer, Tyson Foods Inc., is making headlines over charges that it conspired to smuggle illegal aliens to work at poultry plants in nine different states.”

    Tyson Foods…..hmmm…..enjoy those frozen chicken beeks in sauce.

    When you’ve finished your snack try enrolling in the adult reading course at TCC.

  123. And I want to make a point again because it got so lost in all this bs…
    when it comes to race relations, regardless of one’s skin color, he/she is either a closer of the gap or a widener of the gap. Leonard Pitts represents the latter while Bill Cosby represents the former. Jeremiah Wright represents the latter to be sure. You get the idea.

    If each of us, and especially if high-profile social leaders decided to make it their business to be gap-closers, you’d see a dramatic change in all of this pretty quickly.

    Sadly I fear there are far too many people out there (like several folks here) who like the gap nice and wide so they can spout off ad nauseum and reveal their ignorance to everyone.

  124. Nope, sozo, the Creator, in an infinite sense of humor, didn’t provide all those black college kids with the ability to perform complex music arrangements, but He sure did give them the ability to sing and dance, huh?

    ::::::::::::dripping with sarcasm for the stereotypes::::::::::

  125. Barry Goldwater represents a real Conservative, while the version that we see today is something closer to a fascist dictatorship.

  126. “xx98411 says:
    June 23, 2011 at 7:33 pm
    Maybe black folk just don’t give a rat buttocks about classical music. Sometimes it is that simple.
    —————————————————————–
    “xx98411 says:
    June 24, 2011 at 7:07 am
    karnos – again with the extremes or exceptions… no one ever said ALL black folk do not like the symphony…
    —————————————————————-

    You parse just likeThe Sad

    Caught in a stereotype and now trying to “I was misquoted” your way out of it.

  127. Leonard Pitts represents the latter while Bill Cosby represents the former.

    Is this your version of Malcolm X’s analogy of the field slave and the house slave?

  128. “LarryFine says:
    June 23, 2011 at 10:02 pm
    … and still the fact that pitts’ manufactured outrage spans 2 years, 1100 miles, and 2 different judges gets lost on the apologists… except for polago.”

    Threw that chum out at least three times and the only one that would bite was Polago…..LOL

  129. beerBoy…..well put.

    What sozo missed is that Bill Cosby has said a lot more about the issue of race than just one comment that Conservatives enjoyed.

    Civilization had too many rules for me, so I did my best to rewrite them.
    Bill Cosby

    Decide that you want it more than you are afraid of it.
    Bill Cosby

  130. “Sadly I fear there are far too many people out there (like several folks here) who like the gap nice and wide so they can spout off ad nauseum and reveal their ignorance to everyone.”

    Sort of like your ignorance of Cosby

  131. WOW….Look what happens when you read the article:

    Consider two recent examples of American justice. In 2009, after a night of bar hopping, a man named Ryan LeVin plowed his speeding Porsche into two British tourists in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., killing them. He fled the scene, lied to the cops and then tried to pin the crime on someone else.

    About three weeks ago, Tyell Morton, a kid from Rushville, Ind., sneaked into his school wearing a hooded sweatshirt and left a mysterious package in the girl’s rest room. It turned out to be a blow-up doll.

    LeVin was recently sentenced: He got house confinement at his oceanfront condo. Morton, who is 18, was jailed with a $30,000 bond and faces trial on charges that could put him away for eight years. Morton has no record. LeVin was on probation, has a string of traffic violations and a cocaine conviction. It ought not surprise you to learn that LeVin is white and fabulously wealthy, while Morton is black, and not.”

    Now I know that many of the readers are not Pulitzer material, but I’d say an 8th grade education is about all that is required to note the “analogy” being used by Pitts.

    Two “crimes” – one victimless and the “other” gets severe treatment.

    Here’s another analogy.

    Barry Bonds hit a home run in San Francisco in 2000 that went out of the entire stadium, while Alex Rodriguez hit on in New York, this year, that barely cleared the fence. Since one is 3000 miles from the other and it’s two different people in two different years, one of these is no longer a home run.

    As Kostas Portokalos would say…..”you see, there you go!”

  132. After reading the comments on some of the letters here, I am amazed that this KARDNOS character is still allowed to post here. He does nothing but belittle and berate anyone who disagrees with him or does not conform to his belief system. The only conclusion I can draw is that he is paid by the TNT to “stir the pot”.

    And, Pitts is a race baiter plain and simple.

  133. when I write I never mean the extreme or absolute unless I specifically say that. But if I need to be more clear for you and others then OK…

    Maybe some/a few/not enough… black folk just don’t give a rat buttocks about classical music. Sometimes it is that simple.

  134. “Is this your version of Malcolm X’s analogy of the field slave and the house slave?”

    is that really what you see BB, two seperate, distinct views but one is a field slave and the other a house slave… both are still slaves… one after writing for a major paper and the other after a few hit TV programs… still “slaves”???

    maybe the problem is with you guys and your views of race… I see two men, one I disagree with his view that I was able to read in a major paper… the other who I agree with his tough views that brought many hours of laughter and contributed to my view of race relations and perceptions. (I am speaking of I, Spy also. A program in the 60’s that pair a white guy and black guy on fairly equal footing on a major network)

    I am starting to feel a bit sad for your view of Amerika BB

  135. karnos – do you ever think that maybe Levin got a better lawyer?

    If you wanna make the case that money helps buys freedom then I got no arguement there.

  136. Although it would have been handy for the two subjects of Pitts’ column to have been standing side by side in the same courtroom, charged with the same offense, had identical rap sheets, and then gotten these two lopsided sentences, Pitts makes a valid point that within our countries boundaries some level of justice should be expected, no matter your size, shape, or color.

    We’ve come a long way from the days when Sammy Davis Jr played to packed houses in Vegas but wasn’t allowed to stay at that same hotel or even use the front door, simply because he wasn’t white. The question is whether we still have a ways to go, and Pitts is pointing out that we do.

    Race couldn’t have been the only factor involved in these cases. The question is, could it have been a factor?

    What is happening to Tyell Morton is a travesty of justice. Pitts’ case, that his skin color was a factor, could have been made without bringing Ryan LeVin into the picture as contrast.
    ——
    “(Pitts) asked Nelson if he thought his son would be in this jeopardy if he were wealthy and/or white instead of a black kid whose family had to pass the hat to raise the $3,000 the bondsman required. This man who doesn’t want to cloud matters with side issues snorted a bitter laugh.”

    “That question has been answered way before this happened to my son. Do I need to even answer that? Come on.”
    ——

    Question to the letter writer: What do all of those successful black entertainers mentioned in your letter have to do with this issue? Are you saying that because there are successful people of color in America, that the color of ones skin is no longer a factor in our system of justice?

    Are you that naive?

  137. “Roncella says:
    June 24, 2011 at 9:11 am
    sage1, Welcome to the party. Most of the regular posters here humor KARDNOS, and poke fun at most of his comments.
    —————————————————
    sage1 says:
    June 24, 2011 at 8:56 am
    After reading the comments on some of the letters here, I am amazed that this KARDNOS character is still allowed to post here. He does nothing but belittle and berate anyone who disagrees with him or does not conform to his belief system.

    Oh….the irony of it all……LOL

  138. James Byrd, Jr. (May 2, 1949 – June 7, 1998) was an African-American who was murdered by three white men in Jasper, Texas, on June 7, 1998. Shawn Berry, Lawrence Brewer, and John King dragged Byrd behind a pick-up truck along an asphalt pavement after they wrapped a heavy logging chain around his ankles. Byrd was pulled along for about two miles as the truck swerved from side to side.

    Byrd, who remained conscious throughout most of the ordeal, was killed when his body hit the edge of a culvert severing his right arm and head. The murderers drove on for another mile before dumping his torso in front of an African-American cemetery in Jasper.

    What equal opportunity was afforded Mr. Byrd?

    In the early morning of Sunday, September 15, 1963, Bobby Frank Cherry, Thomas Blanton, Herman Frank Cash, and Robert Chambliss, members of United Klans of America, a Ku Klux Klan group, planted a box of dynamite with a time delay under the steps of the church, near the basement. At about 10:22 a.m., twenty-six children were walking into the basement assembly room to prepare for the sermon entitled “The Love That Forgives,” when the bomb exploded. Four girls, Addie Mae Collins (aged 14), Denise McNair (aged 11), Carole Robertson (aged 14), and Cynthia Wesley (aged 14), were killed in the attack, and 22 additional people were injured, one of whom was Addie Mae Collins’ younger sister, Sarah. The explosion blew a hole in the church’s rear wall, destroyed the back steps and all but one stained-glass window, which showed Christ leading a group of little children.

    Equal opportunity to die.

    Allegedly the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to protect black people from this, but it looks like someone didn’t get the memo in 1998.

    Note: both of these states are big proponents of “states rights”, as they were pre-1964.

  139. Your response reveals two things, Roncella, that you cannot answer that question about your own letter, and that you are that naive.

  140. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, Yes America has come along way in regards to racial harmony, and equal rights.

    Compare America and the diverse population and diverse religious beliefs and traditions all living together as one nation Under God, I’d say America is the Greatest Country on the Planet.

    President Ronald Reagan expressed this about America,

    “America’s Best Days Are Yet To Come’.

    ” Every promise, every opportunity is still golden in this land”.

    KARDONS, use your computer skills to inform yourself more about the great accomplishments America has made for all humanity, and Be Proud to be an American.

  141. Roncella….

    “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

  142. “sage1 says:
    June 24, 2011 at 8:56 am
    The only conclusion I can draw is that he is paid by the TNT to “stir the pot”.

    Well….I’ve got to fess up. I’m paid a large sum of money to “stir the pot” on the online edition of the News Tribune and then, after putting on my suit, complete with cape…..I leap tall buildings with a single bound.

    Since I’m paid so well, I stir the pot from the Bahamas on a laptop so that I can keep myself in the manner I’m acustom.

    My wife…..Morgan Fairchild….yeah….that’s the ticket!…..rubs sunscreen on my back while Chef Paul Prudomme brings snacks to me….yeah…Paul Prudomme….and ya know what else?????

  143. “beerBoy says:
    June 23, 2011 at 1:57 pm
    KARDNOS – yes, I agree, hunting for sport or, rather, televised spectacle is not what I would consider ethical hunting but to call it murder is a bit much.”

    With all due respect, beerBoy – “tomaeto” – “tomawto”.

    Maybe “senseless termination of the life of a defenseless animal, purely for television ratings” would be the more accurate terminology. Since I’m constantly accused by The Sad for lack of brevity, I selected a powerful word that demonstated my emotions of the activity.

  144. (I am speaking of I, Spy also. A program in the 60’s that pair a white guy and black guy on fairly equal footing on a major network)

    Yes, I Spy was a major breakthrough. It finally allowed a black man to be seen as a major good guy character on ALMOST equal standing with the white guy. It was notable however that Robert Culp’s character was the action figure – getting the girls and being the most dynamic in the fights. Bill Cosby’s character’s cover role was the manager (aka towel guy and masseur) to Robert Culp’s playboy, international tennis player.

  145. “all living together as one nation Under God”

    What about the, “with liberty and justice for all” part, Roncella? That’s what Pitts’ column is all about.

  146. I, Spy… Cosby… it was a start… a way of bringing a black man into the homes of white America. 3 seasons, decent ratings, not bad…

    To think he went from tennis instructor to a Doctor and married a beautiful black lawyer and had beautiful black children… you see all is well in America.

    Again, if what you write above is your filter of race relations in America then I am sorry for you and your ilk… I don’t have a long way to go… you all do.

  147. “The question is whether we still have a ways to go, and Pitts is pointing out that we do.”

    Can you please then describe for me… all of us who don’t see it… what the criteria is for when all is well in race relations in America.

    I understand their are racists. I see it… I experience it…

    What I don’t understand is how much more is good enough. We have a black man in the white house, we long lists of black entertainers, musicans, actors, sports dudes and dudettes, CEO’s, presidents of companies, senior directors, own a well run TV network, a publishing empire, etc, etc, etc….

    I am dead serious, help me understand what more is needed to meet your vision of acceptable race relations

  148. “SadujTogracse says:
    June 24, 2011 at 3:48 pm
    Morgan Fairchild???? LMAO is Kard still living in 1983? You couldn’t think of anyone a little more “fresh” than that? ”

    The Sad isn’t old enough to remember Jon Lovitz’s bit on Saturday Night LIve. I’ll have to see if I can dig up some Lady Gaga jokes……LMAO

  149. “xx98411 says:
    June 24, 2011 at 11:31 am
    I, Spy… Cosby… it was a start… a way of bringing a black man into the homes of white America. 3 seasons, decent ratings, not bad…

    Why did there have to be “a start”? All the talk about equality goes clear back to 1776……..

  150. SadujTogracse says:

    Hey I’m old enough to remember Columbo (RIP Peter Falk). Actually Morgan was very attractive in her time, but now?

  151. No bBoy, the Pitts/Cosby comparison in no way represents my version of field and house slaves. That’s YOUR overlay on my comment.

    It is quite possible to recognize that not all the work has been done to permit us to say there is no racism, and frankly, until you change the hearts of men and women, you will NEVER see this reconciled. Racism exists in every culture, as does all sorts of bigotry pitting religion against religion, tribe against tribe, etc.

    Human beings are broken, that’s all there is to it.

    My comment was intended to point out that in spite of that fact, one can assume the role of healer or one can assume the role of disease carrier, and again I would suggest that Cosby is the former while Pitts is the latter.

    And what the Billy Blue Blazes is a tomeaoto?

  152. “Why did there have to be “a start”? All the talk about equality goes clear back to 1776……..”

    Please tell me karnos that even you can see the improvement in race relations since ooohhh… 1776.

    If you can’t do that then please instead of telling us all how horrible race relations are and what a bunch of racist douchebags we are then I also ask you…

    by what criteria and/or what is your vision of acceptable race relations in this United States of America?

  153. xx98411 says, “I am dead serious, help me understand what more is needed to meet your vision of acceptable race relations” Great question.

    Perfection would be that a person’s skin color wouldn’t even be noticed, and when the justice system is totally blind as to skin color.

    It makes no sense to use examples of notable celebrates to show that injustices aren’t happening in our justice system due to race (as well as gender).

    Put yourself in the place of those of us who feel these injustices. What would you do?

  154. Would you turn the other cheek?

  155. “tomaeto” was the word I created to counter “tomawto”. This is what is called “phonetics”, sozo.

    Of course I could have spelled it “tomoehto” and gotten the same sound as “John BOEHNER’

    By the way, you transposed the “a” and “e” and added an extra “o”.
    Trust me. I copied and pasted “tomaeto” from my original comment.

    As Long John Baldry famously said – “Don’t try to lay no boogie woogie on the king of rock and roll” (phonetically “bugie wugie”)

  156. ‘…notable celebrities…” I was responding to the “K” dude, he tends to go off on tangents and I sometimes go there with him. Being fair, karnos made comment on the notable celebrities stuff in the letter and I was responding to that.

    That being said your questions to the letter writer are valid… a person wants discuss race relations then let that be the subject. Race and the justice system is the subject at hand here…

    “…and when the justice system is totally blind as to skin color.”

    On a second read the columnist did use two very different cases in an attempt to make a point. I believe you made that point earlier. Yeah, it is a bad comparison… that being said I could make a hypothetical case that the black guy is charged with what is within legal guidelines for the crime…. The rich guy got off easy, way easy, not necessarily because he is white but because he can afford a few hundred dollars an hour lawyer who is really, really good at this defense lawyer stuff.

    I could further state the injustice is not the black guy… the injustice is the rich guy who can literally buy his way out of the crime.

  157. xx98411,
    reat Post. Until Justice is truely blind, none of us will truely have justice.

  158. That should have been “Great Post”

  159. Xring – before you complement me…

    “…until Justice is truly blind…” on the cynical side, that will not happen in our lifetime. My premise is more classed based than race based in my cynicism. Though never an absolute, you got the money to pay for a damn good lawyer, you have a better opportunity to get “justice” (notice I didn’t say get off).

    Heck, let’s add a little sexism to the mix. Drown the little ones in a car or in a bathtub (one at a time even), heck even put a baby in a microwave… murderers all, the worst kind in my book, mothers killing their children. They will tend not to get the death penalty (when available). Fair? Nope, Justice? Not in my book.

    I tend to be a hard-butt… hmm, or am I? Using an imperfect comparison, the rich guy “got off”, the black guy… I’m not crying any tears for him. If it makes one feel any better I wouldn’t convict on any terrorism related charge, that is a stretch for the DA… remember we are part of the “justice system” also.

  160. It’s hard to make Diversity/Multiculturalism work and ignore the fact that a person’s skin is a different color than yours. Some folks confuse egalitarianism with homogenization.

    There IS a way to acknowledge differences without it being bigoted or negative.

    When someone wants the perspective of an aging middle-class white woman, I’m a pretty good person to ask. I am not offended by the fact that I’m aging, middle-class, white or woman. When I want to know the POV of an urban black teenager, that’s whom I will seek out.

  161. Phonetics? tomaeto would sound something like this: toe-may-ee-toe. That’s what you were going for Kardnos. I’m thinking not.

  162. I wonder if KARDNOS has asked Thom Hartmann if shellfish feel pain? Tyson foods is simply taking advantage of the liberal’s policy of bringing in more undocumented aliens. He say’s he “eats less and less meat”. Well, less compared to what? In other words he still eats meat killed by illegal immigrants soley for the profit margin of companies like Tyson but wants to criticize Palin for killing a carribou for her family to eat. Palin’s method of obtaining meat did not require the use of slave labor or inhumane treatment of millions of domestic animals. You’re again wrong on all counts. In between licking the chicken off of your fingers and reading Thom Harmann, maybe you should take a few courses in logic.

  163. Just to remind you…..Martin Luther King, Jr., though an avowed pacifist, was considered one of the most dangerous threats to America by FBI. He wasn’t all warm and cuddly healing – he was very actively working for change.

    sozo – you, of all people, with your interpretation of Jesus should recognize that making everyone comfortable and making everyone feel good about themselves and letting everyone overlook their own sins is not a method of change but a recipe for complacency regarding status quo.

  164. I concur, bBoy, but surely you are not suggesting there is anything Christlike in Pitts’ content or tone?

    I am all in favor in people being uncomfortable enough to seek positive changes. I used Cosby as an example earlier because I don’t believe he’s an “oreo” or and “Uncle Tom” in any way. And yet, he has not attempted to pit (no pun intended) one race against the other.

    MLK was the right person at the right time. Sadly, IMO, some of the African Americans who have attempted to pick up the mantle have been sadly ill-equipped to carry on. It’s a different time, and while the work of justice for all must continue, the more all of us can do to avoid a “them vs. us” mentality, the better.

  165. LarryFine says:

    So it takes pitts 2 years, 1100 miles, and 2 judges to make a very lame case of racism today, and bB digs up MLK. KOOKY.
    .
    I think xx98411 made an excellent point about the female murderers… especially the one that microwaved her baby. It’ll be interesting to see how justice is served in her case.

  166. sozo – from what I have heard, Cosby’s primary emphasis is upon education as self-empowerment. This is an important message. But what I see is many white folks who are eager to say that there is no more racism point to his message of self-empowerment as “proof” that there is no more institutionalized racism and anyone who claims that there is is being divisive or a race-baiting racist.

    Cosby’s message that education as self-empowerment is important but Pitts’ reminders that institutionalized racism is still a problem in the US is important too.

    That being said, I do agree that Pitts over-reached a bit on this one. Yes, the absurd penalties being threatened against this kid for pulling a stupid prank can be seen as evidence of unequal justice based upon race and socio-economic class but it is more directly linked to the over-reaction of zero-tolerance post-Columbine security schools that can’t differentiate between a serious threat and a stupid prank.

  167. LF – I’m trying to understand your thinking…..mentioning MLKjr in a thread that is essentially about race relations in America is “kooky” but microwaving children is an important connection?

    Help me here….I’m really trying to understand how you think that makes sense.

  168. We agree, bBoy, that shining a light on injustice NO MATTER where it occurs, is reasonable and right, right? IMO it is important that we stop suggesting it’s all about race. It’s about abuse of power which occurs in any hierarchy that in unmonitored…because some people will take advantage of others given the opportunity. It’s the dark side of human nature, which many people do not want to acknowledge.

  169. An afterthought: Perhaps if Pitts and other columnists and high profile spokespeople gave equal attention to social injustices in general, they’d be better received.

    We compartmentalize these things too much. The women of N.O.W. make noise about women’s rights, but often fall silent on other issues they should include in their musings. And of course, given their abject refusal to include women like Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin in the sisterhood, give themselves as way as phonies anyway.

    Racial bigotry is certainly not just about White vs. Black, as we see it among people of color as well. And what about the issues between Jews and Blacks? As long as everyone is just going to look out for “their own” we won’t see much change in this arena IMO.

  170. Roncella says:

    sozo, Your comments about Bill Cosby are correct. I have been to two of his shows, where he sits in a chair on a stage and has a discussion about the future covering many topics.

    However when he gets to the subject of how young blacks dress and behave and use foul language, poke fun at black students who want to study and work hard, calling them whities and more, he really gets animated.

    He believes strongly that the young black males need a dad in the home as well as a mom. He goes on and on about what happened in schools and how the government has made professional complainers and takers out of some folks.

    I can’t remember what show I seen it on, might have been a black cable channel, but Cosby and Jesse Jackson where having a discussion about race in America. Cosby make a complete fool out of everything Jackson said.

    It was embarrassing to watch, finally Cosby quieted down and sat their and nodded his head now and then till the show ended. It takes Jackson 10 mins to answer a question so the discussion ended with Jackson sermonizing about nothing.

  171. LarryFine says:

    bB, was pitts writing about current race relations or not ?

    The woman who microwaved her child is as relevant as the two vastly seperated incidents pitts describes. If you read a little further upthread you may understand the analogy, but if your simply stalking me please stop.

  172. Since Frosty and The Sad want to parse on the word “murder”, they’ll be glad to know that Chris Christy Governor of NJ made reference this morning on Meet the Press to“the MURDER of Bin Laden”…..

    oh..and frosty….why does a woman being paid $250K an episode NEED to kill an animal to “feed her family”. From what is said, her penchant for Taco Bell would overide her desire to hit the kitchen and rustle up so caribou steaks.

  173. Did you ever figure out an answer to my question, Roncella, or is your sophomoric potshot at me all you have?

  174. ron – the saggin’, sideways cap, baggy shirt, expensive untied sneakers look STARTED in the black ghetto 25 years ago but it has thoroughly been embraced by white surburban youth. It was stupid a quarter of a century ago when it started, now it is beyond annoying.

  175. BTW – If you want to talk about a relevant black leader who has some important things to say you should research Cornel West.

  176. “I can’t remember what show I seen it on,”

  177. Careful, careful Polago. You don’t want to be though of as classist, do you?

  178. I don’t? Why? Because it matters to me what others think of me?

    Does it matter to you what others think of you, sozo?

  179. Bb – the context for microwaved babies was sexism. That was the act, (as well as others) it will be interesting to see what the outcome will be… insanity, conviction,“light’ sentence??? I was making a light case for overt sexism in the justice system.

    As you wrote Pitts “over-reached”, your comments are dead on. Your term “unequal justice” is a good term more appropriate to the situation.

    In the same vein that you have issues with “…many white folks who are eager to say that there is no more racism…” I have a similar issue with those, black, brown and white, that believe that every social ill has its roots in racism.

    We’ve come a long, long way… I just wish more, especially my brown brothers, would just acknowledge that for a change.

  180. I think my dear brother Barack Obama has a certain fear of free black men. It’s understandable. As a young brother who grows up in a white context, brilliant African father, he’s always had to fear being a white man with black skin. All he has known culturally is white. He is just as human as I am, but that is his cultural formation. When he meets an independent black brother, it is frightening. And that’s true for a white brother. When you get a white brother who meets a free, independent black man, they got to be mature to really embrace fully what the brother is saying to them. It’s a tension, given the history. It can be overcome. Obama, coming out of Kansas influence, white, loving grandparents, coming out of Hawaii and Indonesia, when he meets these independent black folk who have a history of slavery, Jim Crow, Jane Crow and so on, he is very apprehensive. He has a certain rootlessness, a deracination. It is understandable.

    Cornel West on Barack Obama

    Interesting choice for “relevant black leader”

  181. Just thought it beneath you to be petty, Polago, and that WAS petty. Sure I care what others think of me…if I respect them.

  182. “finally Cosby quieted down and sat their and nodded his head”

  183. Is there anything that prohibits a person who makes $250K per episode from hunting? It sounds more like KARDNOS wants to have a litmus test for those who want to have a gun and go hunting. Guns should only be owned and used by people making less than $250K right KARDNOS? Palin apparently doesn’t fit into your world of a limousine liberal.

  184. polago maybe the rest of you liberals should learn from Cosby.

  185. sozo says: “Just thought it beneath you to be petty, Polago, and that WAS petty. Sure I care what others think of me…if I respect them.”

    Good point, sozo. It is about respect.

    I asked this letter writer, Roncella, an honest question about his letter, and all I got was a snarky comment (which now seems to have been removed) about my inability to comprehend due to his perception of my political leanings.

    Meanwhile, his lack of literacy abounds in these threads. Am I being petty in pointing out his shortcomings? Maybe. But, do I care what he thinks? At this point in time, not in the least.

    His total lack of respect toward those of us who aren’t as Right bent as he, continues relentlessly, yet I’m supposed to be respectful of his apparent educational shortcomings.

    He’s earned my disrespect.

  186. BTW, sozo. I’m flattered that you considered pettiness as being beneath me. I’ll try to live up to your lofty expectations.

  187. Roncella says:

    Polago, Apparenty your jealous of my opinions and ablity to respond to your sarcastic comments to me and about me.

    What you call lack of respect by me about liberals I call explaining my own personal experiences in having discussions with liberals over many years and many liberals.

    If you see my opinions as lacking in respect, thats your opinion and your welcome to it.

    As far as having a conversation with you about Pitts or other topics its would be a waste of time, sorry, thats my personal opinion, again.

  188. How can I possibly be jealous of your opinions, Roncella? That’s absurd.

    You take the time to write a letter to the editor. You obviously have an opinion on the subject. People comment on it Left and Right. I ask a simple question and get a disrespectful response from you.

    Isn’t that why we’re here, to discuss our opinions with people who disagree?

    What are you afraid of, being proved wrong?

    If you’re unable to explain the rational of your letter, or if your only rational is your pathetic opinion of those to your left, you’re wasting your time, not me.

  189. If I lack respect for someone, Polago, I generally try not to engage with them, though sometimes I slip and fall into the mud. Still, I think the best response is no response.

    Further, as a rule, it’s petty to belittle someone for their spelling and grammar…unless it’s Kardnos, in which case it’s okay because he actually thinks he CAN spell and speak articulately.

    Tongue in cheek of course. I shouldn’t have picked on him for his idiotic take on phonics, but he’s just so stunningly obnoxiousa t times.

    Still, it was unkind. Respect or no, I apologize Kardnos.

  190. LarryFine says:

    “Meanwhile, his lack of literacy abounds in these threads.”
    Nice personal attack Po…
    “Am I being petty in pointing out his shortcomings? Maybe. But, do I care what he thinks? At this point in time, not in the least.”
    So why keep responding ?

  191. Roncella says:

    Larry, like I said above, I believe Polago is jealous of my ability to call the liberals on so many of there shortcomings on so many different topics.

    Many times its as simple as me asking how anyone would want to be associated with the likes of Liberals such as, Pelosi, Barney Frank, Anthony Weiner, Barbara Boxer, Al Frankin, on and on and on.

  192. “frosty says:
    June 27, 2011 at 6:40 am
    Is there anything that prohibits a person who makes $250K per episode from hunting? It sounds more like KARDNOS wants to have a litmus test for those who want to have a gun and go hunting. Guns should only be owned and used by people making less than $250K right KARDNOS? Palin apparently doesn’t fit into your world of a limousine liberal.

    frosty….I love watching you work. First you talk about “feeding the family” then you talk about the “right” to go hunting. Tell me when you’re going to change the goal posts again, so that I’ll be prepared…..LOL

    My original statement stands. Sarah Palin did not need to kill a caribou to feed her family while being paid $250K per episode for her “reality” show.

    Oh….speaking of limousine liberals…when did Gingrich become a liberal?

  193. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, Both you and Palago seem to understand my lingo well enough to be hateful and mean and nasty when answering my comments. Go Figure !!??

  194. As usual, Roncella displays his Liberal/Progressive hatred sickness syndrome.

    His dilution that anyone would be jealous of his…….um…..ah…..er……what is it again that is the envy of anyone to his left? Anyway, nothing rational from the Roncella compound these days, and it’s getting worse.

  195. Since this topic is about race, I was wondering if anyone saw the most recent episode of “Flash Mob”? I’m confused though, I didn’t see any white people in the mobs. Maybe Sears and the convenience store edited their tape before it was released to he media? Don’t worry folks, they’ll be coming to a store near you !!

  196. karnos – before your fingers start keyboard dancing, let me help…

    though it may appear that frosty has made a “racist” type post, let me help… in case you don’t know, these videos of “flash mobs” show fine upstanding young citizens engaging in very exuberant “shopping” activities. In their exuberance, some things get dropped, broken, spilled, knocked over and of course wanting to share that “shopping” experience, some of these fine upstanding young individuals “forget” to compensate the shop owner/employee for the product that they intended to “purchase” ;) ;)

    frosty does raise a really, really, really good possibility that the tapes maybe edited…. you never know karnos

  197. Roncella says: “KARDNOS, Both you and Palago seem to understand my lingo well enough to be hateful and mean and nasty when answering my comments. Go Figure !!??”

    :::::pout::::: ‘There’ picking on me again, Larry!!!!! :::pout:::::

    :(

  198. Roncella says:

    Polago, jealousy is a hurtful problem, try not to let it eat away at your usual rosey responses to me and other posters here.

  199. Your hateful jealousy is becoming a big, big problem, Roncella. Try to control yourself.

    Pitts is more of a man than you’ll ever be. He’s much more accomplished than his critics. You would do well to try harder to comprehend his writings.

    BTW, What do millionaires like Michael Jordan, George Foreman, President Obama have to do with Tyell Morton’s plight?

  200. To what “dilution’ are you referring here in your 4:16 post Polago?

    Doesn’t it bite when poetic justice comes round?

  201. His jealousy, sozo. That’s a new approach, that anyone here would be jealous of anyone else here.

  202. I’m wondering what you mean by the word, “dilution,” Polago. You took some shots with a very pointy stick at roncella for poor spelling/grammar. Then you spoke of his “dilution,” and I wondered just what he had diluted?

  203. AAHHH! Delusion.

    I stand corrected, sozo.

    Thank you.

  204. You’re welcome…now the big question is, will you be kinder to roncella and others who make such mistakes?

  205. We all make those kinds of clerical errors, sozo, whether it’s because we keyboard too quickly, or like me, because I’m a lousy speller, or because my command of the English language may be lacking, but I try very hard to make sure that my comments are as error free and as understandable as possible and to an appropriate grade level, even though I know that we are all capable of reading one another’s typos. Yet, if I choose the wrong word, as I did today, I welcome the heads up. Your correction was appreciated.

    I remember your commenting on Roncella’s use of “alot.” This is a simple enough thing to correct and if it were me, I would have learned from my mistake.

    That being said, as he seems to feel it necessary to be super critical of those whose opinions don’t agree with his, I won’t mind pointing out his continued abuse of the English language. In fact I actually enjoy it. Not because we disagree, but because he expresses a very low opinion of those he disagrees with, as if he’s somehow superior, which he is not.

    I appreciate your trying to protect him, since he is one of yours, and I don’t hold it against you. I also don’t mind your constructive criticism when I use the wrong word. A word to the wise should be sufficient.

    Will I be kinder to Roncella? Not until he comes down to earth. Not until he learns to treat others as he would like to be treated. Not until he becomes kinder to the rest of us.

    We’re all in this together.

  206. Then you will understand why I am not generous when it comes to KARDNOS, one of “yours.” :0)

  207. Are you suggesting that neither of us is perfect, sozo? I’m appalled!

  208. Roncella says:

    Polago, where do you get off setting yourself up a the decider of who is right or wrong about anything ???

    My spelling errors and my mistakes in the use of the english language are my problem not yours, mind your own business.

    Polago if there is anyone who posts here and comes across as being better or smarter than the rest of us, ITS YOU !!!!!

  209. LarryFine says:

    Where does he get off Ron ???

    “I’m not like most here, Don. I think. I understand. I don’t repeat rhetoric. I don’t trash people.”

    Yea, right.

  210. Roncella says:

    Larry, Palago is a tipical liberal, he just can’t help placing himself above all the rest of us who post here, (in his mind), except for KORDNOS, and a few other libs.

  211. Roncella says:

    -“Polago, where do you get off setting yourself up a the decider of who is right or wrong about anything ???”

    Have you ever said in a comment, “your wrong,”? You do it all the time, Roncella.

    Have you ever complimented another Conservative’s comment as being right? All the time.

    -“My spelling errors and my mistakes in the use of the english language are my problem not yours, mind your own business.”

    My political leanings are my own business not yours. Please, mind your own business, Roncella.

    -“Polago if there is anyone who posts here and comes across as being better or smarter than the rest of us, ITS YOU !!!!!”

    That may be. But you need to remember that in many of my comments to you I was using your own words, back at you, so that you could see what you sounded like. You even acknowledged that you were flattered that I was repeating your words. It’s your own words that were coming across to you as sounding badly.

    Remember when you said, “Polago, lets sub the word disagree with, in place of hateful, and then we will agree on most of whats been said.” but then you continued to accuse others of hatred, all the while insisting that you don’t hate anyone? You must be better and smarter than the rest of us, Roncella, don’t you think? Not only do you know for sure that we’re all haters, you set yourself up as being above-it-all, don’t you? As I said before, I believe that it is you who cannot control your own hatred.

    -“Larry, Palago is a tipical liberal, he just can’t help placing himself above all the rest of us who post here, (in his mind), except for KORDNOS, and a few other libs.”

    Yet, another example of your superior attitude. Should I turn that one around for you, too, or can you figure out for yourself, how that would have sounded to you if I had said something like this of you?

  212. LarryFine says:

    “I was using your own words, back at you, so that you could see what you sounded like.”

    … like this ??? (you opened the door)

    03/06/2009 07:00:34 PM:
    I’m not like most here, Don. I think. I understand. I don’t repeat rhetoric. I don’t trash people.
    .
    04/23/2009 09:36:43 PM:
    I suggest you get back on your meds.
    .
    07/25/2009 09:57:36 PM:
    You seem to be able to chastise anyone you choose but have no sense of personal responsibility. Aren’t you just too, too perfect.
    .
    09/25/2009 08:07:32 AM:
    If only you practiced what you preached, Roncella.
    .
    April 1, 2011 at 3:25 pm
    Bozo the Clown is right up your alley, frosty.
    .
    drum roll please ……….

    Polago says:
    June 4, 2011 at 6:45 am
    Polago, you shouldn’t be afraid to take credit for your insight.

    ;) kooky.

  213. So what, Larry?

    What’s your point?

  214. Polago says:
    June 29, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    “People like Larry and sozo will protect you if that’s what you need.”

  215. Roncella says:

    Polago, I have said this before, but it needs to be repeated again. Sometimes the true hurts, sorry, but you seem incapable of accepting the truth.

  216. LarryFine says:

    Polago says:
    June 30, 2011 at 8:13 am

    “I was using your own words, back at you, so that you could see what you sounded like”
    ….
    So what was your point?

  217. LarryFine says:

    June 30, 2011 at 8:13 am

    “Yet, another example of your superior attitude. Should I turn that one around for you, too, or can you figure out for yourself”

  218. You should know, Roncella.

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