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ETHICS: Where is integrity in government?

Letter by Jim Bjorkman, Puyallup on June 10, 2011 at 12:04 pm with 122 Comments »
June 10, 2011 4:38 pm

I wish I worked for the government as an elected official. That way I would not be subject to the laws that they pass. Just consider what we have seen lately.

If I, as an employer, had sent X-rated pictures to a female employee or any female I would be fired and sued. Rep. Anthony Weiner does it and nothing happens.

If I fail to pay taxes, I could go to jail. Tim Geithner doesn’t and becomes secretary of the treasury. Charles Rangel does it and is still a congressman.

If I failed to pay personal property taxes of $300,000 plus, I would go to jail. Claire McCaskill  and John Kerrey say it was a mistake and stay as a U.S. senators.

This seems to just go on and on. It is not limited to being a Democrat or Republican. Both sides are equally guilty. Each defends their own and points to the other side doing the same thing or worse

We deserve better.

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  1. GHTaxPayer says:

    Most Democrats are lying scumbags. We already knew that.

  2. Roncella says:

    Jim, your sooooo right.

    Some of our elected officials have become little kings in their positions. In Congress they are all working for the voters and taxpayers who sent them their to represent our best interests in managing all the Responsibilities related to running the Federal Government.

    However some of the Senators and Representatives in Washington D. C. act as though they are so much smarter than the citizens who elected them to serve US.

    Its high time to remind all the folks in Congress to clean their houses up and get to work NOW. That includes President Obama and his merry band of spenders who have wrecked our total economy.

  3. SadujTogracse says:

    “If I, as an employer, had sent X-rated pictures to a female employee or any female I would be fired and sued. Rep. Anthony Weiner does it and nothing happens”

    THANK YOU! This is the point I’ve been trying to make for days now. This was more than just some affair, we need to hold our elected officials to at least the same standard as everyone else.

  4. GHTaxPayer says:

    And breaking news that Weiner sent sex messages to a 17 year old girl in Delaware, and police there are conducting an investigation and may bring lewd – lascivious charges against Weiner by Monday.

    Clinton, Weiner, Spitzer, Edwards and Ensign are SLIMEBALLS !

  5. Oh gosh, Jim…..somehow you left out John McCain on non-payment of taxes. I wonder how?????

    You also failed to mention how his wife got off scott free after stealing narcotics from a non-profit health care firm.

    As “Saduj” would say – “we need to hold our elected officials to at least the same standard as everyone else.”

    Cindy McCain should have done time in prison for her crime. Instead she was applauded by millions of Republicans for stumping for her husband.

  6. “GHTaxPayer says:
    June 10, 2011 at 3:15 pm
    And breaking news that Weiner sent sex messages to a 17 year old girl in Delaware.”

    DEVELOPING: NEW CASTLE, Del. — Police on Friday afternoon came to the home of a 17-year-old high school junior to ask her about direct online communications she has had with Rep. Anthony Weiner.

    Two officers from the New Castle County Police Department arrived at the girl’s home around 4:30 p.m. and asked to speak with the girl’s mother about the daughter’s contact with Weiner. Another officer appeared at the home a short time later. A FoxNews.com reporter was at the home when the police arrived.

    The girl, whose name is being withheld because she is a minor, told FoxNews.com, “I’m doing OK.”

    The police left the home after about 30 minutes, followed by the daughter and mother, who left in a separate car. It was not clear if the mother and daughter were going to continue the conversation with police at another location.

    Sources close the student said the girl followed Weiner on Twitter after seeing him speak during a school trip to Washington on April 1. Weiner direct-messaged the girl back on April 13, the sources said, though it is not clear what other communication the two may have had between or after those dates.

    Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/weinergate/2011/06/10/cops-visit-home-weiner-teen#ixzz1OupDFBlm

    Imagine. FOX has more credibility than GH Taxpayer…….!!!

    Now why was FOX at the home when the police arrived…..hmmmmm….

  7. “If I, as an employer, had sent X-rated pictures to a female employee or any female I would be fired and sued.”

    If YOU ARE AN EMPLOYER…..who will fire you? You could be sued if the receiver was an employee. That would be like Newt Gingrich’s affair with his intern.

  8. Roncella….did you vote for John McCain?

  9. SadujTogracse says:

    Kardnos said on another thread regarding this topic:

    “The biggest lie there is that Weiner sent a photo to someone that hadn’t given him permission to communicate with her.”

    Now on Kardnos’ very own blog this is written: “He suggested that other members of Congress had done worse things than Weiner, who admitted this week to sending racy messages and explicit photographs of himself to women he DIDN’T KNOW.”

    Now, do people often give total strangers permission to send explicit photos to them? I think we all know the answer to that. Secondly if he didn’t know them then how can we be sure they weren’t underage (because nobody lies about their age on the internet right!).

    LOL, better take that comment down Kardnos and hide all the evidence, LOL!

  10. Fibonacci says:

    GHTaxPayer
    “Most Democrats are lying scumbags”——how elequent and unbiased you are. Your kids must be so proud. Better to keep your mouth closed and just have people think you are unintelligent than to open it and prove that it.

  11. SadujTogracse says:

    Woops, looks like there IS something serious to investigate. Just as I suspected, Weiner is no better than those losers on those Chris Hansen specials!

  12. twitter requires permission to exchange messages and pictures.

    You CANNOT send a picture to someone that has not allowed you access to their account.

    Keep spinning.

  13. alindasue says:

    GHTaxpayer said, “Most Democrats are lying scumbags. We already knew that.”

    I would reply to that, but Mr. Bjorkman already did:

    “This seems to just go on and on. It is not limited to being a Democrat or Republican. Both sides are equally guilty. Each defends their own and points to the other side doing the same thing or worse”

    There are “lying scumbags” on all sides of the political spectrum. Fortunately, there are a number of decent people out there too. The challenge is to find the decent people (regardless of party affiliation) and put them in office instead…

    We aren’t going to be able to do that if we’re too busy joining the “other side doing the same thing or worse” crowd.

  14. SadujTogracse says:

    “You CANNOT send a picture to someone that has not allowed you access to their account.”

    That DOES NOT mean they are granted permission to send sexually explicit photos to someone who is a follower on Twitter.

    Keep spinning.

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/06/10/where-is-integrity-in-government/#ixzz1OvKA6Fxw

  15. “GHTaxpayer said, “Most Democrats are lying scumbags.”

    Since I caught GH Taxpayer in a lie….

  16. “That DOES NOT mean they are granted permission to send sexually explicit photos to someone who is a follower on Twitter.”

    Soooooo……

    I guess there needs to be proof that there was no prior sexually charged conversations between Weiner and his “victim”, who ran to Andrew Brietbart because she knows that he never publishes anything bad about anyone….
    I’m still trying to figure out why someone so outraged calls Brietbart rather than the police…..but, I digress….

    If someone asked Weiner to send said photos……he is stupid for doing it, but is not a predator as the Right Wing has slandered him.

    Fortunately for many, anonymous names on newspaper blogs are a pretty tough slander case. Personally, I’ll wait until the investigation is complete.

    Now, to clarify the misrepresentation of “my blog”…..

    First, I didn’t blog the article. Another member did. Secondly, the author was quoting Charlie Rangel. The article came from “The Hill” Anyone wanting to see the original quote should google it.

    Lastly, Saduj constantly misrepresents quotes and material from other media, why should this be any exception. By not attributing the quote to Charlie Rangel, this quote…..

    “He suggested that other members of Congress had done worse things than Weiner, who admitted this week to sending racy messages and explicit photographs of himself to women he didn’t know.”

    …..appears to be mine.

    Nice work, saduj. You’ve lied again.

  17. Ironic that this is a thread about “ethics”

    LOL

  18. SadujTogracse says:

    Well Rangel isn’t exactly the best person to be a character witness, I’ll grant you that! I never said you blogged the article, I said it came from your blog. So nice work Kardnos, you’ve lied again.

    The woman from Seattle said there were no sexually charged conversations, she did not give permission for the phot to be sent. I believe here word over Weiner’s any day of the week. Not that Kardnos cares about facts or anything.

  19. SadujTogracse says:

    And while we are on the topic of lying, Kardnos accused me on May 30th of not caring about our men and women who have served and who are serving in our armed forces. Now THAT most certainly was a lie and worthy of my complaint to the TNT moderator (which is why the comment was removed).

  20. “SadujTogracse says:
    June 10, 2011 at 6:21 pm
    And while we are on the topic of lying, Kardnos accused me on May 30th of not caring about our men and women who have served and who are serving in our armed forces. Now THAT most certainly was a lie and worthy of my complaint to the TNT moderator (which is why the comment was removed).

    Whining will get you something, but, as usual you have misquoted me, and, lucky for you, the post was deleted, so….there is no proof. Your MO

    You’ll note I didn’t complain about the deletion, as I know what it takes to get a comment deleted – little to nothing. Moderators are busy.

    “The woman from Seattle said there were no sexually charged conversations, she did not give permission for the phot to be sent.

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/06/10/where-is-integrity-in-government/#ixzz1Ovl8LD23

    DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!! REALLY???? I’m sure that when she ran to Brietbart, rather than the police, she told the entire truth about her part in the exchange.

    “I believe here (sic) word over Weiner’s any day of the week.”

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/06/10/where-is-integrity-in-government/#ixzz1OvlRuQHY

    Another DUH!!!!!! The other day you were practically making her a rape victim who would say anything to protect her assailant, which is why I broke up in laughter. Again and again and again……your MO.

    Now maybe on your next post you can talk about something I posted on another newspaper in 2002….oh…I was on AOL in those days and didn’t start newspaper posting until about 2005….but don’t let that get in the way of your story…….

    Again….yadda yadda…..

  21. OH…and it’s not “my blog” (another misrepresentation). It belongs to the membership.

    I’m but a mere laborer.

    We like the idea of having more than one opinion on content, unlike other blogs.

  22. and…….we don’t do promiscuous buttocks roll ups.

    But we are funny……

  23. Just some thoughts…..

    Is it a coincidence that “Weinergate” breaks one week prior to Sarah Palin’s 1000s of pages of emails that has been stalled for a couple of year?

    I’m still facinated why someone offended with a photo goes to Andrew Brietbart as opposed to the police.

    Oh…and why is Brietbart carrying a picture of (allegedly) Weiner’s bare….uh well, you know….around with him on his phone? Isn’t that just a bit kinky??????

  24. after seeing said picture……..

    Weiner could not have taken such a picture of himself.

    Any man would know.

    Brietbart strikes again!

  25. SadujTogracse says:

    Kardnos stated “OH…and it’s not “my blog” (another misrepresentation). It belongs to the membership.

    I’m but a mere laborer.”

    Now here is this posted by You know who on Dec 2, 2009 (I would post a link, but what’s the point really?)

    “Since The Olympian has had to shut down their comments thread on the LTE section, in order to control those who want to ruin the dialog, I’ll try opening this blog again so that we can have a place for discussion.

    I will do everything in my power to control the users of this forum in order that it not run the same route as LTE did. That being said, I don’t mind disagreements, but if I see that someone is attempting to use this forum as their playground, I’ll block them in a heartbeat.”

    Now, would someone who is a mere laboror “open up the blog” and “control the users” of said forum? No, only the person who IS IN CHARGE of the blog would do that. Kardnos caught in a lie once again.

  26. SadujTogracse says:

    “Whining will get you something, but, as usual you have misquoted me, and, lucky for you, the post was deleted, so….there is no proof. Your MO”

    I did not misquote you and I have the email from the TNT to prove it. What you said was over the line, a direct attack and a lie. We can disagree about issues, but I will not stand for anyone lying about my support for our troops.

  27. I’m waiting for the quote…….something tells me it’s not going to be accurate. I’m wondering if I made a couple of comments about the same matter and you just took what you wanted to misrepresent and complained about that. It’s your MO.

    Back to the blog….of which you have so much interest, but you don’t stalk me…

    I opened the blog. I lost interest. I reopened the blog and when the blog popularity exploded within a couple of weeks, I got assistance from the other members (we had to turn it to members only because…well…the CONSERVATIVES tried to ruin it as they had done with……the Other Newspaper) and today am but one of a couple of moderators and we seek opinions on issues via email and meetings (great dinner at Martin Way)

    So…as usual….one quote, over 1 1/2 years old, is not indicative of what is happening today. But….Saduj still misrepresents the truth in the same exact way that Saduj always misrepresents the truth.

    Moving on to the letter content…..Bill Maher and Jane Lynch just read the verbatim content of Weiner’s twitter correspondence with “a Vegas blackjack dealer”.

    Now, I can’t even begin to quote it in a family newspaper, but let’s just say that the woman was a willing participant and ASKED for a picture of his package.

    I can only hope that there is contextual evidence of the same with Miss Seattle. Again….why would a Seattle co-ed want to be part of Weiner’s twitter crew? She doesn’t follow her own congressman?????

    AND WHY, OH WHY…..didn’t she report Weiner to the police instead of a Right Wing Media Source known to misrepresent issues and himself?

  28. AHA!!!!

    I found the thread!!!

    “SadujTogracse says:
    May 30, 2011 at 4:32 pm
    On this Memorial Day I will not respond to the one who fills these pages with his filibusters. I’ll just say I’m very thankful for all the brave men and women who have fought and died for our country.

    KARDNOS says:
    May 30, 2011 at 5:39 pm
    sadujmanchildpunk – If only you were so thankful for the men and women who come back injured and scared for life.

    They are a burden on your Conservative agenda of breaking the government.

    Remember the living.

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/05/27/no-class/#ixzz1OwCeYVE8

    Care to fill in the blanks or just make baseless assertions?

  29. Anyone that reads these threads knows that my pet peeve is “support your troops until they come home sick and injured, then abandon them”

    That won’t stop with one deleted comment.

    I know that the Conservative agenda is to “starve the beast” which would jeopardize those very veterans’ lives.

    Put up or shut up.

  30. As long as we are covering CONTEXT and ACCURACY….

    Wednesday, December 2, 2009

    A Place to Discuss

    Since The Olympian has had to shut down their comments thread on the LTE section, in order to control those who want to ruin the dialog, I’ll try opening this blog again so that we can have a place for discussion.

    I will do everything in my power to control the users of this forum in order that it not run the same route as LTE did. That being said, I don’t mind disagreements, but if I see that someone is attempting to use this forum as their playground, I’ll block them in a heartbeat.

    Today’s topic is open to national or local politics.

    Pass the word to those whom you can trust to act like adults.”

    There is the DATE, reason and context of the reopening of the blog. Unfortunately for you, I know how to copy and paste from the blog to this blog.

    Again….misrepresentation of the truth. Your MO

  31. So what we have learned from Jim’s letter is that he is perfect; nothing else.

  32. Publico – what I learned is that Jim bends the truth a little…..

    He claims to be an employer, but claims he’d get fired……

    I still don’t see what Charlie Rangel did wrong. They claim he didn’t report income from a vacation property that he rents out. That property is not in the US. Would that not be the same as any other offshore business?

    My guess it what Charlie did wrong is forgot to have a PO box in a foreign country to accept the payments and by accepting the payments in New York, the IRS said it was domestic income.

    A technicality, but I’d hire a better accountant.

  33. I guess I published too much truth again for Saduj.

  34. Saduj – I know you can’t stand to be uninformed so, I went to my email archives and found this date – “Sat 12/19/2009 7:32 PM”

    The point where I decided that THE BLOG needed to have more than one moderator and decision maker. So I sent out an email asking for volunteer help.

    17 days after reopening….not two weeks. I stand “correcting myself”.

    I prefer to be correct in my assertions, although I do show signs of human mistakes at times.

  35. Something tells me that we will be missing Saduj while The Other takes over.

    It’s rough to get slapped around this much.

  36. SadujTogracse says:

    Kardnos, your 5:39 post was not the one I was referring to. It was a post earlier than that and as I stated earlier it was (rightfully) deleted.

  37. SadujTogracse says:

    So Kardnos started the blog, but it’s not his blog. Ok fine I’ll play his silly game…I guess have should have said “”Now on the blog that Kardnos started, this is written”

    Feel better now?

  38. SadujTogracse says:

    “I guess I published too much truth again for Saduj.”

    No, actually I was busy watching a movie called “The Way Back”. A true story about a group of men who during WWII escaped a Russian prison camp in Siberia and walked 4,000 miles to India. They did this to escape tyranny and oppression and live in freedom. Another reminder how freedom isn’t free and how we need to be vigilant to make sure it doesn’t slip down a path that many others have.

  39. Idle hands are the devil’s workshop

    So it was Old Nick what gave us Weinergate and Ryan’s Folly

  40. SadujTogracse says:

    Upon further study I’m finding the book the movie was based on has been questioned for accuracy. While not fully debunked, I guess it was wrong for me to say it was a true story since questions have been raised about it. It is still a good story though and has some valuable lessons. (This post was to prevent Kardnos from playing “gotcha”)

  41. Weiner? The press. Politics. All your egomaniac opinions. Who cares?

  42. Still no proof of the post that was deleted that was allegedly sent in the email.

  43. “Another reminder how freedom isn’t free and how we need to be vigilant to make sure it doesn’t slip down a path that many others have.”

    The first step in the wrong path is turning over our country to corporatists and their political lackeys.

    I thought the Russians were the “good guys” in WWII.

  44. “SadujTogracse says:
    June 10, 2011 at 11:35 pm
    So Kardnos started the blog, but it’s not his blog. Ok fine I’ll play his silly game…I guess have should have said “”Now on the blog that Kardnos started, this is written”

    Feel better now?”

    No….call it ThurstonBlog. That is its name. It reflects the input of many authors from Thurston County. It’s no more “my blog” than “Olyblog” belonging to its originator. You purposefully misrepresent it to manipulate the truth about it’s contents.

  45. Hmmm…here we go again…

    The Way Back – Colin Farrell plays a Russian mobster sharing prison time with a Polish soldier who escapes from a Siberian work camp in ‘The Way Back.’

    A mobster imprisoned??? Say it ain’t so!!!

    “Another reminder how freedom isn’t free and how we need to be vigilant to make sure it doesn’t slip down a path that many others have.”

    Pardon us, but some of us think “mobsters” should be in prison.

    FYI – this isn’t “gotcha”. It’s a case of Sarah Palin’s rewriting of Paul Revere’s ride into a Second Amendment issue many years before said Amendment was even part of the Constitution. Oh wait….she called her faux pas a “gotcha” even though no one asked her about Paul Revere.

  46. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, Your numerous posts get boring and tiresome to read and pass by.

    A suggestion from me would be try and not get so wordy with your posts and still get your point across, Please….

  47. Roncella…

    At least I refrain from tired old talking points, rhetoric and slogans.

    I could dumb down to three word phrases for you, but I won’t.

  48. “Roncella says:
    June 11, 2011 at 7:49 am
    KARDNOS, Your numerous posts get boring and tiresome to read and pass by.”

    READ AND PASS BY?????? Stick to making sense with your own comments. I’m doing fine.

  49. Back to Mr. Bjorkman’s letter….

    “If I failed to pay personal property taxes of $300,000 plus, I would go to jail. Claire McCaskill and John Kerrey say it was a mistake and stay as a U.S. senators.”
    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/06/10/where-is-integrity-in-government/#ixzz1OyttXGj7

    Newsweek is set to publish a highly embarrassing report on Sen. John McCain, revealing that the McCains have failed to pay taxes on their beach-front condo in La Jolla, California, for the last four years and are currently in default.

    Under California law, once a residential property is in default for five years, it can be sold at a tax sale to recover the unpaid taxes for the taxpayers.

    The McCains own at least seven homes through a variety of trusts and corporations controlled by Cindy McCain.

    I’m guessing that Jim Bjorkman suffers from Selective Memory Loss when it comes to a Republican. When someone owns seven homes, their non-payment of taxes isn’t due to lack of funds or assets. I don’t think we’ll find McCain standing by a freeway entrance holding a sign saying “will work for government for money” anytime soon.

  50. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, I am not attacking your comments as such, I am making a plea for you to stop with too many responses to other folks comments.

    Most of your arguments are leftest and wrong most of the time, I am certain the Conservative posters agree with my suggestion to you to try and tone down abit all the many many posts, most of the other posters are just passing by your comments, You Understand Now ??

  51. I don’t know why you’re complaining, Roncella. You only read every other word as it is.

    Maybe you should try every third word.

    Roncella says:
    June 9, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    xring how about you slow down abit, I’m not sure what your saying in the above posts.

  52. If xring typed slower, would that help you, Roncella?

  53. “Roncella says:
    June 11, 2011 at 8:31 am
    KARDNOS, I am not attacking your comments as such, I am making a plea for you to stop with too many responses to other folks comments.

    Most of your arguments are leftest and wrong most of the time, I am certain the Conservative posters agree with my suggestion to you to try and tone down abit all the many many posts, most of the other posters are just passing by your comments, You Understand Now ??”

    What I understand is that (1) you can’t keep up with the dialog and (2) you don’t like my viewpoint and (3) because you don’t like my viewpoint you want to limit my freedom of expression.

    Since the News Tribune owns this site, they and only they, are the ones to adjudicate who comments and how much. I’ve never had a complaint from them about the volume or length of my complaints. I did get one email about “content”….but of course, you already know about that.

    If the kitchen is too hot, try staying on the back porch.

    I’d love to know how you know what other readers that don’t comment are thinking.

    At a dinner for our blog group in Olympia, someone in the restaurant walked over and thanked us – me in particular – for standing up to Conservative nonsense in the local newspaper. Be careful what you say, Roncella, you just might be more wrong than the Conservative Clown Posse cheerleading you claims.

  54. THIS says it all….

    “Roncella says:
    June 11, 2011 at 8:31 am
    KARDNOS, I am not attacking your comments as such, I am making a plea for you to stop with too many responses to other folks comments.”

  55. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, You are not able to accept constructive suggestions, I tried. Have at it.

  56. Roncella….there is nothing constructive about your comments. They are your opinion and I don’t accept your opinion…..kinda like you don’t accept mine.

    Thanks, I WILL have at it.

  57. concernedtacoma7 says:

    I second the vote to limit KARD’s posting quantities. He is annoying and contributes nothing.

  58. Pat_riot says:

    To Kardnos:

    Do you know how to read? The letter writer says near the end “It is not limited to being a Democrat or Republican” I guess then that he didn’t forget about that.

  59. Pat_riot says:

    ALL of this disgusting abuse of power must stop, they are only elected officials and as such are beholden to the people the serve. The sad thing here isn’t that these people succumb to natural human desires (although it would be nice if we had people of higher integrity in office); but that we, as the populace, fail to hold them accountable by removing them from office. No, we elect them back in, time and time again. And in the case of lying cheats such as Geithner, among others, actually give them a promotion with more power! Well, I guess we didn’t do that, we have dear leader to thank for that one!

  60. Still amazes me that this is what is considered important news. Yes, the abuses of power in Congress must be stopped – but it seems a little more important to go after the multi-billion scandals rather than some tweeted pictures or a “wide stance” in a public restroom.

  61. Roncella says:

    Pat_riot your right on the mark.

    President Bill Clinton is a perfect example of looking the other way to someones sexual problems. He was caught with his pants down so to speak with his little private get together with Monica Lewinsky and others in the Oval Office of the Whitehouse. He was accused by many many women of unwanted sexual advances. Yet the dems. insisted it was all Clintons business only not the voters.

    The dems. in the congress circled the wagons for Clinton all though the empeachement hearings and defended him over and over again.

    Now all that has been put on the back burner by the lame stream media and the dems in Congress and Clinton is respected and is the unofficial leader of the Democratic Party.

    The lowering of the morale standards really tood a dive from Clintons affairs and continues on through the present.

  62. “me in particular” —

    This pretty much says al you need to know about KARD.

    bBoy, this issue does matter. That’s not to say it is a top priority, but the fact is, men like Wiener are the ones making the decisions about the more significant stuff, and it’s hard to ignore conduct that suggests emotional immaturity to the max among our elected officials, be they GOP or DEM; it matters not to me.
    I’m weary of the abuses of power, but I’m also disturbed by the self-serving, selfl-absorbed, unseemly behavior. When do these guys have timeto do the work they were sent to the capitol to do?

  63. Roncella,
    How many of the most rabid Impeach Clinton Republicans were having similar sexual problems?

    And as a practical matter, it is always up to the voters. Why do you thing the Constitution made impeachment so difficult – so it would / could not be used in a partisan way.

    As for circling the wagons, did the Republicans call for Ensign, Vetter, Craig, or Folly to resign?

  64. Ruthlessma says:

    There are two careers where you can be not only a complete failure, but a criminal too, and still walk away a multi-millionaire……….Politics and Professional Sports.

  65. Amen to that Ruthlessma.

  66. the3rdpigshouse says:

    The greatest offender of the U.S. Constitution & U.S. Law at the moment is that anti-American marxist/socialist in the White House!!! As the aforemntioned relates to Libya – “OH-Bummer” is currently in violation of thee WPR and the U.S. Constitution.

    Try getting a straight answer on that subject from your federal legislators – those sycophantic socialist democrats trip all over themselves not answering the question!!!

  67. 3_P_H

    The greatest threat to our Rights and to our country is the radical cristofacists at both the state and national level.

    The House is currently dominated by the Goosestep Only Party, and they could not muster up anything but a non-binding resolution.

  68. theglovesRoff says:

    Seriously xring? If I were a rightwing KARDNOS, I would be calling you the left wing’s version of Roncella. But since I am not. I won’t.

    Sorry Roncella, just using leftwing logic to make a point.

  69. Gloves,
    yes, or maybe just poking piggies.

  70. “Pat_riot says:
    June 11, 2011 at 6:42 pm
    To Kardnos:

    Do you know how to read? The letter writer says near the end “It is not limited to being a Democrat or Republican” I guess then that he didn’t forget about that.

    When I start seeing the Republican examples, I’ll stop questioning the motives of the letter writer or commenter. Did you see one Republican mentioned in the letter? NO.

    As a matter of fact I do know how to read (as I just demonstrated) and I also can tell when someone is talking from both sides of their mouth, even in a letter.

  71. Xring vivisects vocabulary – ” cristofacists”?

    Would you be the Ox…or the Y…or just the Moron? Your slam never left the pan.

    Here’s thee deal : In today’s nano-web world, every time an elected or appointed official, regardless of birthday-party affiliation, engages in aberrant behavior, it no longer affects just the district, state or even the country…..

    Everyone in the world sees the exploding aftermath of selfish stupidity.

    These psychotic little(richards) fail to discern that their actions (via cell-cam or whatever device) put the character of our entire country on display.

    Question : Will your choices cause admiration or justifiably inflamed disgust?

    Note to Public Servants : What you do in secret will be shouted from the housetops.
    Choose wisely, you’re being watched…

  72. Amen Lars.

  73. commoncents says:

    Note to Public Servants : What you do in secret will be shouted from the housetops.
    Choose wisely, you’re being watched…

    ——–

    And we wonder why we get such morons running for office. Anyone with a lick of sense would not want to subject themselves to such the scrutiny that we are seeing. Not saying that we should excuse abhorrent behavior – just that we need to approach it realistically. Weiner’s an idiot…but his fate should lie in the hands of his constituents not the national press.

  74. “Note to Public Servants : What you do in secret will be shouted from the housetops.
    Choose wisely, you’re being watched…

    Unless…..you are a powerful Conservative Senator running for President and your wife was guilty of theft of nacotics and never served a day behind bars….

    In your case, we’ll wave the “shouting” and deny that there is anything wrong.

  75. “larsman says:
    June 13, 2011 at 12:50 am
    Xring vivisects vocabulary – ” cristofacists”?”

    If you can’t see the tongue in cheek application of the “Islamofacists” made up word, you’re blinding by the light on the Right side of the room.

  76. Roncella says:

    commonsense, All the Congressmen have been voted to represent all of us in an honorable manner. They are all well paid and have huge benefits packages. They are expected to behave in a moral and respectful manner. They are not incharge of the voters.

    These Congressmen answer to the voters who voted for them and entrusted them to oversee what is happen at the Federal level.

    It seems the standard for decency has been coming down fast from Clinton down to the present with Weiner. This business of excusing bad behavior by saying its none of our business is incorrect. It is our business, we Tax Payers are paying for everything including mistakes being made in Washington D.C. .

  77. Gawd I love it when the far right tries to take the high road!
    Nothing more comical!

  78. Roncella says:

    xtp855, Both liberals and Conservatives, democrats and Republicans need to stop with all the B.S. and get busy working on the many problems facing the Country.

    Thats why they were elected and sent to Washington D.C. along with their great wages and benefits packages was to represent all of us Tax Payers and do their Jobs.

  79. Roncella says:
    June 13, 2011 at 10:16 am

    “Both liberals and Conservatives, democrats and Republicans need to stop with all the B.S. and get busy working on the many problems facing the Country.”

    I’m glad to see that you consider this issue BS, Roncella. Now, no more talk about Weiner from you.

  80. Roncella says:

    Polago, I think Weiner should stay and serve in Congress as long as his voters and the dems. in the Congress want him to. He is such a great poster child for so many liberals/dems to admire and support.

  81. “Roncella says:
    June 13, 2011 at 12:28 pm
    Polago, I think Weiner should stay and serve in Congress as long as his voters and the dems. in the Congress want him to. He is such a great poster child for so many liberals/dems to admire and support.”

    Sort of like running Newt for President. A real prince!!!

  82. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, Newt is a private citizen running for President. He has not been accused of sexual adventures of anykind. No Comparison….

  83. “Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich was confronted Tuesday night by a college student asking about his extramarital affair during the 1990s.”

    “You adamantly oppose gay rights… but you’ve also been married three times and admitted to having an affair with your current wife while you were still married to your second,” Isabel Friedman, president of the Penn Democrats, asked Gingrich after a speech at the University of Pennsylvania, according to Politico. “As a successful politician who’s considering running for president, who would set the bar for moral conduct and be the voice of the American people, how do you reconcile this hypocritical interpretation of the religious values that you so vigorously defend?”

  84. Roncella says:

    Polago, What one of your heros President Clinton was found guilty of doing in the Oval Office with Monica L. and other women while President of the U.S. was deplorable. Yet you dems/liberals said it was all Bills business only not ours.

    So if that was OK for Clinton who is held in high esteem by you dems. now, why are you attacking Newts personal life, its none of your business, Right, ???

  85. You don’t know who my heroes are, Roncella. You don’t know anything about me except that I’m a proud American, who didn’t attack Newt’s personal life. I posted a news article about Newt to show that he may very well have been accused of sexual adventures, contrary to your erroneous report.

  86. Roncella says:

    Polago, you really didn’t answer my question about why it was OK for Clinton to have sex in the Oval office, and face impeachment hearings over it, with the dems telling everyone its none of our business, yet you attack Newts personal life and try and attack his morals, etc.

    Now let me get this straight, according to you liberals isn’t Newts personal life His Business ????

  87. theglovesRoff says:

    So what was Newt’s answer?

  88. Roncella said, “you really didn’t answer my question about why it was OK for Clinton to have sex in the Oval office, and face impeachment hearings over it, with the dems telling everyone its none of our business”

    I didn’t say that it was OK for Clinton to have sex in the Oval office, and face impeachment hearings over it, with the dems telling everyone its none of our business. You did.
    ———
    Roncella said, “yet you attack Newts personal life and try and attack his morals, etc.”

    I replied, “(I) didn’t attack Newt’s personal life. I posted a news article about Newt to show that he may very well have been accused of sexual adventures, contrary to your erroneous report.”

  89. Ron – as LarryFine often points out, it is the hypocrisy.

    Newt was actively condemning Clinton while he was actively cheating on his wife. That makes him a hypocrite.

  90. “Roncella says:
    June 13, 2011 at 1:25 pm
    KARDNOS, Newt is a private citizen running for President. He has not been accused of sexual adventures of anykind. No Comparison…”

    Newt, as an elected official, took up an affair with his employee. Pay attention

  91. “So what was Newt’s answer?”

    Gingrich’s response.

    “I hope you feel better about yourself…I’ve had a life which, on occasion, has had problems,” he added. “I believe in a forgiving God, and the American people will have to decide whether that their primary concern. If the primary concern of the American people is my past, my candidacy would be irrelevant. If the primary concern of the American people is the future… that’s a debate I’ll be happy to have with your candidate or any other candidate if I decide to run.”

    But this is what Gingrich said to his second wife, when she asked him exactly the same question.

    The next night, they sat talking out on their back patio in Georgia. She [Marianne Gingrich] said, “How do you give that speech and do what you’re doing?”

    “It doesn’t matter what I do,” he answered. “People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”

  92. Roncella says:

    Polago, Explain Why Was was it none of the voters business, according to you dems. while Democrat President Clinton,had an affair with Monica Lewwinsky while President of the U.S. in the Oval Office, but is OK to attack and discuss Newt’s personal life and damage his reputation because of his multiple marriages ?????

  93. Roncella, Clinton is no longer President, he is retired in NY and enjoying his huge popularity, in case you haven’t noticed.
    You need to get over him roncella, he hasn’t been a very populare President in 12 years now.

    BTW, I’m glad you want Wiener to stay, he will balance out your hero Vitter and his prostiutes.

  94. I don’t believe that someones sex life is the public’s business, Roncella.

    Clinton didn’t make his sex life public. I can’t speak for Gingrich, but I doubt that he did either. His sex life has nothing to do with his ability to hold office.

    The Democrats are correct.

  95. IMO sexual conduct does reflect character, but I also believe that one’s past should not be held against him IF his life shows that he has a measure of contrition and more importantly, has grown up. In Wiener’s case, he owed the people the time he was giving to all of his twittermates.

    The thing most people failed to grasp w/re to Clinton is that we had a sitting president who blatantly lied…to his wife, to his daughter and to the country. It was the lying that SHOULD have troubled us far more than his Animal House antics (though they were pathetic).

    I feel the same way about any public servant regardless of what position they hold or what party they represent.

    It’s difficult to believe that Wiener didn’t want to be found out. Either that or he’s not a bright fellow. Even I, a first-class Luddite, know enough to keep “private” things private.

  96. So you feel that whenever someone is accused of cheating and their first response is to deny cheating, they’ve violated your trust, sozo?

    Bill Clinton’s marital responsibility is to his wife, not us.

    Weiner’s issue was public by nature of his using twitter as his medium.

  97. Roncella says:

    xtp855, How about you explaining why it was none of the voters business according to the dem. defenders of Democrat President Clinton when he was found found to be having an affair with Monica L. in the Oval Office not counting many other women accusing him of unwanted sexual advances while President of the U.S. but it is the voters business when it comes to Newt’s past marriages and divorces ??

  98. ron – already asked and answered above.

  99. …more than once….

  100. Roncella says:

    beerBoy, so your saying the answer to my question about Clinton is it was none of our business ?

  101. Their FIRST response, Polago…in the moment? Perhaps not. But that’s not what we got from President Clinton and you know it. After ample time to ponder the situation, he was adamant in his denial; we’ve all seen it a thousdand times in clips. To question his trustworthiness after that was the only intelligent response.

    Additionally, though his marital indiscretions are between him and his wife, how a man treats his wife and daughter is not a BAD indicator of how he treats others. Cheaters tend to cheat on EVERY test, not just one. A man who finds it easy to lie to the mother of his child finds it easy to lie, period.

    Further, he wasn’t just anybody; he was the president of the United States, keeper of the keys and the red phone. That we demand more from him in the department of truth-telling goes with the job.

    Let me repeat it just so you don’t get off-track again. It wasn’t the sex, it was the lies which, sadly confirmed what I had come to believe about him even before the Lewinski scandal. Was anyone actually surprised when the truth finally came out? I doubt it.

  102. Polago – do you know why some on the Right think that being deliberately obtuse is clever?

  103. It may not be deliberate in Rongcella’s case, beerBoy.

  104. Sorry Roncella, not Rongcella.

  105. “we’ve all seen it a thousdand times in clips.” …keeping it fresh in our minds as though he denied it over and over….

    I’m a bit taken by your constant mention of Chelsea. This may have been an embarrassment for her but……

    “how a man treats his wife and daughter is not a BAD indicator of how he treats others. Cheaters tend to cheat on EVERY test, not just one. A man who finds it easy to lie to the mother of his child finds it easy to lie, period.”

    So, your assumption is that he will cheat at every opportunity and easily lie whenever it suits him?

    What about, “IMO sexual conduct does reflect character, but I also believe that one’s past should not be held against him IF his life shows that he has a measure of contrition and more importantly, has grown up.” ??

    Is that only for people that you like, sozo?

  106. Roncella says:

    Polago, You really never answered the question about your Idol Clinton. If it wasn’t anyones business according to you democrats, when Clinton was caught messing around with Monica L. and many other women while President of the U.S., why is it our business to look into all the marriages and relationships involving Newt ???

  107. You’re wrong again Roncella.

    You’re wrong in stating that I didn’t answer (respond to) your question.

    You’re wrong that Clinton is my idol.

    You’re wrong that anyone has suggested that Newt’s relationships are anyone’s business but his own.

    So, there can be no question there because your premise contains several flaws.

  108. Roncella says:

    Polago, I understand you really find it hard to answer my question about someone you highly respect and admire Democrat President Bill Clinton.

    Its obviously hard to justify Clintons morals and find fault in others. First hand, Double Standard, oh yea.

  109. I suspect that Roncella is “deliberately” trying to prove otherwise, beerBoy.

    Arrogantly obtuse, perhaps?

  110. You are naive, Polago, if you think that her father’s conduct is nothing more than a minor embarrassment for Chelsea.

    As for my assumption that lying and cheating come easily to a practiced liar and cheater, yes, I DO assume this.

    However, I am completely bipartisan in my view of grace extending to a contrite soul. In fact, believe me or not, your call, I hope that Bill Clinton was truly contrite and that he and his wife have enjoyed a healed relationship.

  111. I said embarrassment, you said minor embarrassment, sozo. Why do you change what I actually said?

    You may say that you hope that Bill Clinton was truly contrite and that he and his wife have enjoyed a healed relationship, but deep down he’s just a liar and a cheat to you.

    I expect to see these accusations of yours in print again sometime when his name comes up again.

  112. Oh for crying out loud, did I actually alter the meaning of your remark, Polago?
    Really?

    I can hope that the Clintons have a good life together, and I even hope Bill no longer lies easily, but it would be folly to …excuse the metaphor…leap into bed with him again without evidence to support significant changes.

    And yeah, you probably will see Clilnton’s name come up when there is a discussion about ethics and character in government. Go figure.

  113. “and I even hope Bill no longer lies easily,”

    His initial denial of having relations with Lewinsky is all there is, sozo, and you consider that lying easily?

  114. Please Polago. You’re killin’ me here. Clinton had a history of Lewinskiesque adventures. He just got caught, tried what was probably his usual MO with Hillary on the public and fell on his face.

    Please note that I am not saying he had not done good things; he has. I admire his work with G Bush Sr. Just sayin’ he’s no different than any of US who might get caught in lies…folks aren’t going to trust you the they once did. I think it’s all part of what they call “logical consequences.” Being forgiven does not mean there are no scars left behind.

  115. “Clinton had a history of Lewinskiesque adventures.”

    Says who?

  116. Seems it is YOU who wants to keep Clinton in the discussion, Polago.

    Ever hear of Michael Isikoff?

    When reporter Michael Isikoff brought the Paula Jones sexual harassment case to his editors at the Washington Post, they refused to run the story. He quit and joined Newsweek, where he broke the Monica Lewinsky story in January 1998. After the maelstrom settled, Isikoff wrote a book about his pursuit of the Lewinsky story, called Uncovering Clinton: A Reporter’s Story.

  117. and………what?

  118. theglovesRoff says:

    Glad you guys are keeping this thread alive.

    You should be happy that KARDNOS has moved on.

    Continue with your discussion about the former pervert in chief.

  119. Just do a little reading up on Clinton, Polago, that’s all.

  120. Roncella says:

    sozo, Clinton is one of Polago’s heros.

    He like so many of the far left will defend Clinton and jump off the cliff for Clinton.

    President Billie Clinton is likeable, and personable. But his record as President should be a an embarrassment for all liberal dems, even now.

  121. dankuykendall says:

    All of our governments from city, county, state, and federal are so corrupt that ethics is not even a word that gets anymore than lip service.

  122. ron – the thing that is embarrassing about Clinton is how he supported Republican ideas.

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