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WEINER: Minor scandal vs. true crime

Letter by Alfred K. LaMotte, Steilacoom on June 8, 2011 at 11:52 am with 118 Comments »
June 8, 2011 11:52 am

How many innocent civilians did Anthony Weiner kill? Isn’t it convenient when minor sex scandals distract us from real moral catastrophes?

I really don’t care if alpha males like Bill Clinton (D), David Vitter (R), Eliot Spitzer (D), Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) and Weiner (D) dally with mistresses or have online flirtations. We’re not their poor wives, and we suffer no crime at their hands. Sexual escapades in American government go back to the 1700s. Long ago, Europeans realized the futility of being shocked, shocked, at high testosterone levels in tribal chieftains.

But George Bush and Dick Cheney lied our nation into war, then killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians in the Middle East. They never resigned in disgrace.

Now Congress funds the corporate war machine by cutting services to the elderly, the disabled and the children of the poor. Maybe Congress should resign in disgrace.

Americans prefer sexual spectacle to self-examination. Willfully scandalized by others, we avoid the moral responsibility that future historians will demand of ourselves: our collective guilt in the imperial rape of Iraq and our refusal, as a government by and for the people, to serve the most vulnerable members of our own community.

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  1. BlaineCGarver says:

    You Sir, are a Gol Danged liar. I don’t see how this letter made it past the editor. I suppose a paper that allows Robinson and Pitts air their racist trash and garbage against the Conservatives would allow any filth on these pages.

  2. Live by the sword, die by the sword. If Weiner was not such an arse, people may have cut him some slack. But like so many politicians, he is just another power-crazed dirty old man.

  3. SadujTogracse says:

    Sorry Alfred but sending nasty adult photos to people you don’t even know, don’t know for sure their age, and don’t know for sure if they even want those photos is not a “minor scandal”. This is a lot more than someone cheating on their spouse. It opens Weiner up to countless problems, possibly even illegalities, and shows his total lack of judgment. Someone with that poor of judgment should not be a dog catcher let alone a Federal Representative, he needs to resign now.

  4. Well Al, you’ve written another letter that has not just touched a rightwing nerve, it has ground it down!

    Well done!

    tommy, please learn to read.

  5. Roncella says:

    Alfred, I can’t believe it, you actually found a way to blame President Bush and V.P. Cheney and compare them somehow to democrat Anthony Wieners scandle ??!!!

    Alfred, you better have your doctor check your meds. right away, you have a serious serious problem.

  6. I love how the rightwing blinders are showing just how they blind the lemmings!

  7. Publico says:

    Mr. Lamotte is correct when he says there is no comparison between war and Weiner. The extreme right wing nuts here will never admit that because “punitive action” is their middle name. It’s all they know.

  8. GHTaxPayer says:

    Obama has ordered the killing of over innocent Afghan citizens by using remote drones. Does Mr. Lamotte have a problem with this also?

    Over 100 innocent Libyan citizens have been killed by an unauthorized Obama war in Libya. Is Mr. LaMotte upset by this?

    No? Of course not. Because there’s a (D) after Obama’s name.

  9. The right is nothing if not entertaining!

    How about thsoe tax cuts aislander, how are they working?

  10. For the most part I agree with the letter writer. Underwear photos may salacious, considered by some to be adultery (those people would also object to any solo personal self-stimulation as adultery), but they aren’t criminal.

    However, the hypocrisy abounds when Republicans call for resignation after supporting and defending Vitter, who admitted to criminal conduct (purchasing services from a prostitute) or by supporting Gingrich who actually did the dirty with women who weren’t one of his wives he was married to at the time. How can thinking about sex with other women be “a lot more than someone cheating on their spouse,” as one commenter said?

    If receiving dirty pictures in a tweet or an e-mail was criminal, then there are hundreds of senders I would like to have arrested for clogging up my junk mail box.

    Any congress member should be punished for for lack of good judgment by their constituents, not the other party or people outside their districts. It should be up to Wiener whether he resigns, and up to the voters in his district to determine his fitness fo office after such a minor thing as adultery in his own mind.

  11. “Yes, I know I should have said “sending”, and not “receiving’ just above, ’cause if receiving dirty pictures were a crime, I’d have been in the pokey for a long time.

  12. Do you know Alfred personally, aislander, that you can call him Flamo?

    Do you two have a history?

  13. I can’t say that I would want someone who has done that which Weiner has admitted to doing, as a member of Congress. But I have to agree with Alfred, Bush and Cheney did far worse.

  14. aislander says:

    His screen name is Flamotte…

  15. SadujTogracse says:

    “But I have to agree with Alfred, Bush and Cheney did far worse.”

    Even if that were true (which it’s not), Bush and Cheney are gone, they no longer hold public office. Someone who frequently sends nude photos of himself to total strangers IS still in office and shouldn’t be. There can be no defending that, it’s not just some affair. In case some of you haven’t noticed the date, it’s 6/8/2011. Bush and Cheny were gone on 1/20/2009, get over it already.

  16. No one is defending Weiner. No one.

    Just putting things into proper context.

  17. Judas, why is sending clothed, salacious pictures (If you have seen naked pictures somewhere, then you must be looking at something other than news sites) worse than actually having sex outside marriage?

    Besides poor judgment, you have a wierd sense of priorities.

  18. SadujTogracse says:

    It’s more than, “I don’t get what the big deal is.”

    They open themselves up to blackmail – or worse – and severely compromise their office.

    Believe it or not, there are people out there much, much worse than Breitbart and they wouldn’t think twice of getting compromising photos or really hacking into someone’s account and blackmailing in order to gain access, documents or even national-security sensitive information.

    That’s why I don’t laugh off something like this no matter what the party. That’s why judgement is important. The potential is there to really get us all into trouble.

    Are you capable of comprehending why it’s a big deal now?

  19. SadujTogracse says:

    “After ten days of denials, on June 6, 2011, Weiner held a press conference at 4:30 pm in New York at which he admitted that he had lied in an attempt to conceal what really happened and confirmed that he had exchanged sexts with the woman in question. He also admitted that he had been “engaged in several inappropriate conversations conducted over Twitter, Facebook, email and occasionally on the phone”, and had exchanged “messages and photos of an explicit nature with about six women over the last three years.”

    Yeah those clothed innocent photos of an “explicit nature”. Someone is more gullable than I thought.

  20. aislander says:

    Wiener displayed poor judgement (is good judgment crucial to being a congressman?) in sending the pics, and yes tuddo, there is, although I haven’t seen it, a wiener devoid of condiments in some of the pictures. Then he lied to the world about it, when he must have known he would be…er…exposed, again displaying poor judgment to go with his poor character. You guys must love being lied to. At least Bush had the cover of having Clinton and Schumer and Tony Blair and the CIA, et al, saying the same things he was saying so, even if he WAS lying (difficult case to make in the face of all contemporary reports), it wasn’t the bald-faced lie of a Wiener or a Clinton…

  21. KARDNOS says:

    “SadujTogracse says:
    June 8, 2011 at 1:17 pm
    Sorry Alfred but sending nasty adult photos to people you don’t even know, don’t know for sure their age, and don’t know for sure if they even want those photos is not a “minor scandal”. ”

    The Brietbart “element of doubt” story. There was no reason for age to be an issue, so Brietbart went on TV and threw it up against the wall to see if minions would run with it.

    As usual, Brietbart knows his slime market.

    When this first broke it was two adults playing the same game…..

  22. SadujTogracse says:

    There is a reason for age to be an issue when you are sending explicit photos to people you just met online. That is of course unless Kardnos believes everyone tells the truth online, in that case he’s the most naive person who has ever lived.

    “But she said she was 18 officer” Doesn’t hold up in court, try again.

  23. aislander says:

    Upon further reflection, I must withdraw my condemnation of Weiner. He was just a Democrat being a Democrat…

  24. SadujTogracse says:

    Waiting for Weiner to show up in the next Chris Hansen special!

  25. Now, that’s the unbiased aislander we’ve all grown to know and love. ;)

  26. “There can be no defending that, it’s not just some affair”

    You can defend an affair but not a picture?
    Come on man, you are really grasping here, even for a partisan hack\troll like you.

  27. “You guys must love being lied to. At least Bush had the cover of having Clinton and Schumer and Tony Blair and the CIA, et al, saying the same things he was saying so, even if he WAS lying (difficult case to make in the face of all contemporary reports),”

    And you love to revise history with your lies don’t you?
    You know full well that Clinton, Blair, Schummer and other were just repeating the LIES that bush the lesser told THEM!
    My god, do you rightists have any shame at all??

  28. SadujTogracse says:

    It’s not grasping at all, it is much more serious than an affair. A person in a position of power sending graphic, explicit photos to anonymous online people cannot be trusted to serve the public. If you can’t understand that then our nation is in serious trouble. But you have to think outside your partisan little box for once, if you’re capable.

  29. Wieners notwithstanding (pun most assuredly intended) my question to Mr. Lamotte is the one about bringing all these war accusations forward to the current administration? Holding a grudge is one thing, but at least have the integrity to spread your disdain around in a bipartisan manner, Alfred.

    As for the twitter scandal, Wiener’s conduct looks a lot more like that of typical sexual predators than that of congressional dalliances. Anyone of any party displaying this bent (I just can’t resist the puns, sorry) should find a new line of work. I’m sure the porn industry is taking applications.

  30. KARDNOS says:

    “In case some of you haven’t noticed the date, it’s 6/8/2011. Bush and Cheny were gone on 1/20/2009, get over it already.”

    Uh….Bin Laden is dead, but I’ll bet you my last dollar that there will be something said about him on 9/11/11.

    Bad deeds are never forgotten.

  31. KARDNOS says:

    “But you have to think outside your partisan little box for once, if you’re capable”

    Yes. Jump into a new partisan box that is going to accept Newt Gingrich as a Presidential candidate, although he had an affair with an employee……

    I’m still waiting for the outrage on that one.

  32. SadujTogracse says:

    I’m not pardoning Newt at all, but keep bringing it up because it makes you look so good (eyeroll). I am saying Weiner’s behavior amounts to much more than just an affair and that is why he should resign.

  33. KARDNOS says:

    Is Newt going to be not allowed to run for president because he had an affair with an employee and risked a significant lawsuit to our country, not to mention the dishonesty?

    Make Newt Quit!!!

  34. KARDNOS says:

    “As for the twitter scandal, Wiener’s conduct looks a lot more like that of typical sexual predators than that of congressional dalliances.”

    Boy…someone has bought the deal – hook, line and sinker….LOL

    At the earliest mention, the women were willing participants and now the word is “sexual predator”…….

    When the sound machine gets cranked up, there is nothing stopping it…..

    Weiner is stupid and owes his wife, big time, if she chooses to forgive him, but the rest of this malarky is Brietbart’s play……

  35. theglovesRoff says:

    Newt is not currently a Federal employee, that is the difference.

    Newt will not make it past the first primary, so quit whining.

  36. S_T, “blackmail and worse”
    Go tell it to Ensign, Vetter, and Newt.

  37. SadujTogracse says:

    “At the earliest mention, the women were willing participants..”

    Wrong again. The woman is Seattle DID NOT ask for nor want the famous picture. At least get the facts straight.

  38. KARDNOS says:

    Not wrong again….the Seattle woman came up after the initial report.

    Tell me. What does a Seattle woman have to do with Andrew Brietbart? Wasn’t she the one that contacted him? Why him? Why not contact the person that sent you the unwanted materials and say “knock it off”?

    You know what’s funny is that there is a website out of Olympia that has a roll up of a woman showing her buttocks to anyone that happens on that site and moves their mouse in the wrong place.

    Now is that any different than Weiner’s behavior? Showing your buttocks to EVERYONE that visits your website? Would that not be perverted and predatory? What about children that would happen on that site?

    Weiner, while stupid and crass, at least limited his behavior to a half dozen women that he had been corresponding with….unless that story has changed also

  39. KARDNOS says:

    “theglovesRoff says:
    June 8, 2011 at 6:41 pm
    Newt is not currently a Federal employee, that is the difference.”

    At the time of Newt’s offense he was not only a Federal employee but the supervisor of the woman with whom he was having sex. That is not in the best interest of the government. Who is to say he won’t do it again, if elected again?

  40. SadujTogracse says:

    First of all my buttocks is not anywhere on the internet, I’m not who you think I am so you’re wrong yet again.

    Secondly the Seattle woman, Genette Cordoba, WAS THE INITIAL report. She got the famous underwear picture while Wiener was still denying. She did not ask for the picture, Weiner now says he sent it as a “joke” if you are willing to believe anything he says now. Seriously Google here name and learn something for once.

  41. Wiener should resign. David Vitter must resign, yet all of the high-up Republicans in Congress are supporting him and attending fund raisers for him.

    I guess we can say Republicans fully support criminal activity of disgusting and abusive sexual activity since they have never called for Vitter’s resignation. In fact, let’s re-elect him for another six years.

    I wonder how often he was blackmailed because of his activities and how many people he paid off and how many national secrets he was forced to divulge?

  42. KARDNOS says:

    “You know what’s funny is that there is a website out of Olympia that has a roll up of a woman showing her buttocks to anyone that happens on that site and moves their mouse in the wrong place.

    Now is that any different than Weiner’s behavior? Showing your buttocks to EVERYONE that visits your website? Would that not be perverted and predatory? What about children that would happen on that site?

    “SadujTogracse says:
    June 8, 2011 at 9:35 pm
    First of all my buttocks is not anywhere on the internet, I’m not who you think I am so you’re wrong yet again.”

    Thou dost protest too much. I don’t see one word where I said “sadujtogracse’s buttocks”…..

    The “your” in my statement was the rhetorical “your”

    Who do I think you are?

  43. SadujTogracse says:

    Vitter should have resigned, Rep. Lee DID resign (for a lot less than what Weiner did). Mark Foley did resign, but since you’re playing this silly game you know who didn’t? William Jefferson who was indicted (and later convicted) of 16 corruption charges. You know hiding $80K in your freezer is no big deal, many Democrats continued to support him.

    Yeah I can play this game all night too, now do you want to get back to the issue happening here and now?

  44. SadujTogracse says:

    Yeah because a picture that’s no worse than a woman in a bikini bottom is the same as sending “johnson” pictures to vaious people who didn’t ask for them. Welcome to Kardnos’ twisted world.

  45. KARDNOS says:

    Well….regardless of who is on first and what is on second…because frankly, the whole damned thing has changed so many times……here is an article about the woman in Seattle:

    The woman who was sent a lewd photo from the Twitter account of Rep. Anthony Weiner says she doesn’t think the New York Democrat’s account was hacked, but that he may have been trying to send the photo to a porn star with a similar name.

    Gennette Cordova, a 21-year-old college student from Seattle, posed for a photo shoot with The New York Post on Thursday and shared her side of the story.

    “Her name is Ginger — it makes sense he might have mixed us up,” Cordova said, referring to Ginger Lee, a stripper and porn star who follows Weiner on Twitter.

    In March, Lee tweeted about wanting “sexual relations” with Weiner and, less than two weeks later, she wrote that she’d received a private direct message from the congressman. Weiner had also followed Lee on Twitter but said he stopped doing so when he found out who she was.

    Weiner said in an interview with CNN earlier this week that he thinks his note to Lee was a “fairly pro forma thing that goes out” to people who follow him on Twitter.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56172.html#ixzz1OkdApyUl

    I might be naive but I don’t see that the Seattle female – first, second, third or last – is too upset about the whole deal.

    Who dropped the pictures on Brietbart? Why is no one talking? Who is Brietbart blackmailing (since he used the word “blackmail” several times on his TV interview)?

    Interesting that she is so offended and does a shoot for the New York Post….LOL

  46. KARDNOS says:

    “SadujTogracse says:
    June 8, 2011 at 9:50 pm
    Yeah because a picture that’s no worse than a woman in a bikini bottom is the same as sending “johnson” pictures to vaious people who didn’t ask for them. Welcome to Kardnos’ twisted world.”

    Pictures of a bare buttocks is OK, then…..to spread around the internet.

    I have an idea. Try posting that image on Disqus in a McClatchy newspaper and see how long it stays up.

    Welcome to Saduj’s hypocritical world……but the picture isn’t you…right?

    This is really getting funny……Oh…I know where this dialog belongs…..LMAO

  47. SadujTogracse says:

    Interesting that she is so offended and does a shoot for the New York Post

    Yep here it is one more time… wrong again.

    “The woman at the center of the Anthony Weiner controversy has accused a New York Post reporter of misrepresenting himself in order to get an interview with her.

    Gennette Cordova, the Seattle-area student who received the now-infamous Twitter photo from Weiner’s account, lashed out at Post reporter Reuven Fenton in a string of tweets on Friday and Saturday.

    The Post published what it billed as an “exclusive” interview and photo shoot with Cordova on Friday. Cordova immediately cried foul, saying that she had been “Trojan horsed” by Fenton. She claimed that he posed as a photographer’s assistant, never identified himself as a reporter and never asked to interview her.”

  48. KARDNOS says:

    My work here is done…..LOL

  49. SadujTogracse says:

    The difference is someone has to actually seek out that picture (and it’s not a bare bottom, no different than what one would see at many beaches in the summer). That is different than a Federal Congressman sending explicit pictures of himself to people that didn’t ask for them. Understand now, or do I need to diagram it out on a chalkboard for you?

  50. SadujTogracse says:

    Yep you got toasted yet again… you’re done.

  51. This is hysterical!!!

    Do I see someone playing the victim card?

    I can’t wait for the Penthouse shoot.

    If you are repulsed by pictures sent to you, don’t talk to the media….unless……you want publicity…..LOLOLOL

    Please….I beg….someone send Palin a picture so that she can add that to her list of outrage…….

    Make it be Levi Johnson…..poetic justice……..

  52. SadujTogracse says:

    I’m glad you think sending explicit pictures to people who didn’t want them is so funny. I’m glad you are laughing at sickening behavior by a Congressman. But you aren’t defending him… now THAT’S funny!

  53. SadujTogracse says:

    Kardnos, real simple question here…. should Weiner resign yes or no?

  54. So…let’s recap….

    Woman gets a penis picture. Doesn’t like it. Contacts Andrew Brietbart because he would never publish anything that would embarrass her….

    Am I right so far?

    Then….she is contacted (how did the Post get her name?) by the Post who didn’t say they were the Post but had her scheduled for a photo shoot and interview (didn’t the possible trip to NY give it away????)

    I’m seriously questioning if this woman is as dumb as Weiner. They appear to be made for each other. Unfortunately, Weiner’s wife is now allegedly preggers (old Weiner must have been workin’).

    What a story!!! Only in America…….

  55. Simple answer….Weiner should do what his constituents say. He works for them.

    What a novel idea, huh?

  56. OK…now go hump someone else’s leg…..

    There must be a good movie on cable if I can avoid WeinerNews.

  57. SadujTogracse says:

    I don’t know how Breitbart got the picture, that’s not the main issue here anyway.

    He should resign now and if he ever wants the run again THEN his constituents will have the final say. That’s the correct answer Kardnos, and if he did that this whole thing would go away.

  58. OK….OK….OK….

    Here’s what Weiner should do…..

    First he has to quit. Then convert to Catholicism….kinda….

    Go before the Evangelical preachers group and say that his transgressions were because he loved America so much…….then announce his candidacy for President.

    Why can’t that work for Weiner?

  59. I’m killing me……LMAO

  60. SadujTogracse says:

    “OK…now go hump someone else’s leg…..”

    My first post was at 1:17 pm about this story and only this story. Kardnos’ first post was at 4:03 pm and was A DIRECT response to one of my previous comments.

    Now we are clear on who is doing the humping.

  61. SadujTogracse says:

    Oh and I forgot, Kardnos also posted my comments on his blog, this stalking thing is actually kind of scary.

  62. I am still waiting for Vitter to resign.

  63. sidrat38 says:

    SadujTogracse says:
    June 8, 2011 at 10:56 pm
    Oh and I forgot, Kardnos also posted my comments on his blog, this stalking thing is actually kind of scary

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/06/08/minor-scandal-vs-true-crime/#ixzz1OlzfLphm

    911 Operator…”And what did this obscen phone caller say, Ma’am?”.

    Old Woman….”Oh….He said the most HORRIBLE things!!! He must have gone on for a good 30 or 40 minutes!!!!!”.

  64. yabetchya says:

    Kardnos just love to play with him self .

  65. yabetchya says:

    sidrat38 says:
    June 9, 2011 at 3:24 am
    Old Woman….”Oh….He said the most HORRIBLE things!!! He must have gone on for a good 30 or 40 minutes!!!!!”.

    I think you stole that one from Kard………………….maybe not.

  66. yabetchya says:

    KARDNOS says:
    June 8, 2011 at 10:46 pm
    I’m killing me……LMAO

    Not fast enough.

  67. All of the sexual misconduct coming out of DC is sickening frankly. What’s sad in this thread is that no one seems to recognize how far down the drain we’ve all gone over the last several years. How I long for the days that people had to have the nerve to ask the store clerk for the magazines hidden under the counter if he wanted to look at body parts that are usually, thank God, covered up.

    People elected to serve (as in servant?) should be held to a higher standard be they GOP, Democrat or Whatever.

    And I stand by my use of the term predator. This guy appears to have been trolling the internet in search of women interested in his little boy parts. Any pre-teen girl looking for “whatever” could have lied about her age and engaged in a “relationship” with this wienie…a man old enough to be her dad/grandfather; a man who was supposed to be spending his time working on our screwed up economy.

    Key word: trolling

  68. KARDNOS says:

    What is an Internet stalker?
    At its mildest, a stalker is simply a troll that has attached itself to an individual.”

    Now who said they went to MY blog??????

    No matter where I go….I turn around and there is something stuck to my glutes and it isn’t the toilet paper commercial with the bears…..LOL

    Now, speaking of such things….let’s go back to the letter subject…

    How did the Seattle woman connect with Weiner on twitter?

  69. KARDNOS says:

    “And I stand by my use of the term predator. This guy appears to have been trolling the internet in search of women interested in his little boy parts.”

    Again…how did the woman connect with Weiner on twitter????

  70. KARDNOS says:

    http://gnoted.com/what-is-twitter-and-how-does-it-work-beginners-guide/

    OH……a person has to have/give permission to tweet others…..I see…

    there has to be consent.

  71. KARDNOS says:

    So either Weiner contacted a totally anonymous person or a woman in Seattle contacted a Congressman……and they agreed to communicate….

    Have I got it so far?

  72. KARDNOS says:

    “I think you stole that one from Kard………………….maybe not.”

    It was published in Playboy about 40 years ago. I read the jokes.

  73. KARDNOS says:

    That is the nice thing about blogging as opposed to twitter. First of all, you know who has been visiting your blog (IP) and secondly it’s there for everyone to see.

    Thus, if your blog contains a rollover picture of a womans bare buttocks, you are exposing said buttocks to anyone that happens on that website.

    twitter, requiring consent, can be private correspondence between two consenting adults.

  74. KARDNOS says:

    But I’m still mystified as to how Andrew Brietbart became part of all of this.

    Has anyone noticed that Brietbart always hires lackeys to do his dirty work? It wasn’t him that dressed up as a pimp or tried to hack a congresswoman’s phone system. O’Keefe took the fall for Brietbart and was only connected to him by research done by a reporter.

  75. KARDNOS says:

    “SadujTogracse says:
    June 8, 2011 at 10:17 pm
    I don’t know how Breitbart got the picture, that’s not the main issue here anyway.”

    If not for Brietbart there would be nothing other than two adults communicating and possibly one offending the other. It could stop right there.

    OK…..I’ll share this, as I have really nothing to hide.

    On my old AOL chat days when I was single, if you enjoyed a certain person, you could instant message privately with them. My wife and I still enjoy a friendship with a woman I met from St. Louis.

    Anyway, one night a woman IM’s me and started asking questions about sailing, because my handle had “sailor” in it. (I owned a boat). She then asked if I had sex on my boat with anyone and my response was “why would you want to know about my private sex life?”

    She jumped back in the chat and accused me of being a predator.

    See how easy the game can work?

    Back to my question…..how did Weiner, a congressman from NY exchange twitter account permissions with an unknown college student? How would he even know she existed? He knowledge of him is obvious, he’s all over the news even before this.

  76. KARDNOS says:

    It always gets quiet on these subjects when logic is discussed. It’s not nearly as much fun as salacious rumors.

  77. SadujTogracse says:

    No it’ always get quiet on these subjects when you go into your endless filibusters. Bottom line, she didn’t want nor ask for the lewd picture, he sent it. This wasn’t a one time incident but a pattern of behavior. He needs to resign and this will all go away, it will even be better for your party Kardnos!

  78. aislander says:

    LarryFine: The ironic thing is that Pogo kept the Flamo thing alive: all MY posts have been expunged…

  79. old_benjamin says:

    Lamotte could find a way to disparage Bush and Cheny if they made the blind to see and the lame to walk.

    Politicans that do things they are ashamed of are easy mark for blackmailers. That’s one reason pervs are not a good choice–if you can’t think of any other reason.

  80. yabetchya says:

    KARDNOS says:
    June 9, 2011 at 8:27 am

    She jumped back in the chat and accused me of being a predator.

    If the shoe fits…………………………..

  81. Roncella says:

    Poor Fred, he is hopelessly infected with the Bush/Cheney Hate Sickness).

    He see’s everything that happens through the lens of Bush/Cheney (in a negative way of course) and then finds a way to blame them for what ever is happening, what a sad way to go throug life.

  82. aislander says:

    SadujTogracse: I’m torn between “filibustering,” “spamming,” and “wallpapering…”

    All I know is that I don’t bother to read them most of the time…

  83. SadujTogracse says:

    aislander, yeah when he starts posting every minute it gets a bit ridiculous. But it’s so easy to debunk him, like a cat playing with a mouse!

  84. aislander says:

    Have at it, Lians. It just makes me think of B’rer Rabbit and the tar baby…

  85. SadujTogracse says:

    So anyone who disagrees with xtp is a troll, nice.

  86. Geeze Kardnos, must you share your personal online dating history? And why am I NOT surprised that you were among those early chatroom Lonely Hearts?

  87. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, The Far Left apoligizer, Where Are You Today ?

  88. KARDNOS says:

    “sozo says:
    June 9, 2011 at 2:03 pm
    Geeze Kardnos, must you share your personal online dating history? And why am I NOT surprised that you were among those early chatroom Lonely Hearts?”

    Typically Republican. Why didn’t you call me a pervert also? Stay in character.

    I have nothing to hide about participating in a chat on AOL. Let’s see there was “Over 50″ and “From the Left” (amazingly more CONS than liberals. There was a music trivia chat……jazz chat…..Atheist chat (again hounded by Christians)

    Beats the heck out of sitting on a bar stool listening to drunks tell the same story over and over.

  89. KARDNOS says:

    This is where sozo shows true colors. While trying to be holier than thou, sozo makes something out of nothing just for vindictive purposes.

    Jesus loves you, sozo.

  90. KARDNOS says:

    “KARDNOS says:
    June 9, 2011 at 8:28 am
    This was my last post this morning. Count the number of times “Kardnos” was typed from then until now.

    6 times today, there has been something about me or to me.

    I’ve been out doing chores and making money.

    Enjoy!

    As usual, I dominate your minds even when I’m not here.

  91. KARDNOS says:

    “Roncella says:
    June 9, 2011 at 2:31 pm
    KARDNOS, The Far Left apoligizer, Where Are You Today ?

    SIX HOURS since I posted this morning!!!!

    Do you people have your own lives or just mine?????

  92. SadujTogracse says:

    “As usual, I dominate your minds even when I’m not here. ”

    LOL, talk about illusions of grandeur! Can you find a hat large enough to fit that head?

  93. “While trying to be holier than thou, sozo”

    Thats all you really needed to say.

  94. LarryFine says:

    I hear you !
    ..
    Toyotaman84 wrote on 12/18/2009 06:34:57 PM:
    like what Tman said to you previously

    Rommel wrote on 12/17/2009 02:50:00 PM:
    I’m gonna have to agree with Toyotaman84 here.

    Toyotaman84 wrote on 12/18/2009 06:36:10 PM:
    Now I know I’m going crazy… I’m referring to myself in the 3rd person.
    ………..
    Polago says:
    June 4, 2011 at 6:45 am
    Polago, you shouldn’t be afraid to take credit for your insight …
    ………..
    LMAOff !

  95. Still waiting for Vitter to resign.

  96. Roncella, aislander, I know you’ve both seen examples of the kid who was a prolific liar and scoundrel while growing up. The kind of kid that knew everything, constantly lied to his parents, siblings, friends, teachers etc. right? Doesn’t that kind of kid remind you of a certain poster on these boards?

  97. frosty….still smarting from my little woodshed session with you?

  98. Say sozo….I got to thinking. I don’t recall any “Lonely Hearts Club” chat on AOL. I guess that sort of dialog didn’t appeal to me. Could you bring everyone up to speed on it?

    I was mostly caught up in the Republicans invading the “From the Left” chat and the Christians that were harassing the “Atheist” chat.

  99. Actually sozo, you’ll really appreciate this….

    A bunch of us from the Atheist Chat set up a private chat, which gives the chat originator a “lightening bolt” to bounce “unwanted visitors”. Then we’d take turns putting links in the Christian chat to the private chat saying “Save these Atheists”. When the “visitors” came in…..BOOM BOOM BOOM….out went the lights!

    It was a riot!!!

    Not nearly as salacious as your intent to smarm my personal life, but funny none the less……..LMAO

  100. You give atheists a bad name, KARDNOS. Emotionally speaking you are a narcissistic juvenile who’s found a home here.

    My apologies to the rest of you for engaging with KARD in this forum.

  101. S_T says
    ” Bottom line, she didn’t want nor ask for the lewd picture, he sent it. This wasn’t a one time incident but a pattern of behavior.”

    If ‘she’ didn’t want it the first time why did ‘she’ not tell him to stop, or un-friend him?

    Roncella,
    And you don’t see everything through “hate Obama sickness?

  102. sozo, again we agree – remarkable.

  103. SadujTogracse says:

    “yeah….a couple of days ago, you clowns got the moderator posting at you and shut down the thread because of your infantile fixation with “Weiner”

    Nice try but that wasn’t me. Keep making false statements about me though, you have no idea who I am.

  104. I’d hate seeing anyone sully atheist’s good name, sozo.

  105. Roncella says:

    xring, Most Conservatives don’t hate President Obama.

    They hate his far left socialistic agenda for America.

    I have repeated this on this post at least a dozen times, can you read it slowly this time, and Really try and comprehend it Ths time ???

  106. Roncella claims that those to his left hate Bush/Cheney, but those on his side don’t hate Obama, just his policies.
    ******
    Roncella says:
    June 9, 2011 at 10:26 am

    “Poor Fred, he is hopelessly infected with the Bush/Cheney Hate Sickness).”
    ******
    Roncella says:
    June 12, 2011 at 8:30 am

    xring, Most Conservatives don’t hate President Obama.

    They hate his far left socialistic agenda for America.
    ******

    Maybe poor Fred should be given the same benefit of the doubt that Roncella gives his compadres.

  107. “his far left socialistic agenda for America”

    Pray tell……what would that be?

    And…..why is it that so many on the left are very disenchanted with Obama if he has a far left socialist agenda?

  108. I’m sure there are a variety of reasons for the disenchantment among his troops, bBoy. For some, he’s not far enough left, but perhaps others have simply awakened to reality about his ability to lead the nation.

  109. “sozo says:
    June 10, 2011 at 7:58 am
    You give atheists a bad name, KARDNOS. Emotionally speaking you are a narcissistic juvenile who’s found a home here.

    My apologies to the rest of you for engaging with KARD in this forum.”

    sozo loves to engage when it can be sliming someone, but when held responsible for its own actions and statements it want’s to run and hide behind someone else’s skirt.

    “SadujTogracse says:
    June 10, 2011 at 1:19 pm
    “yeah….a couple of days ago, you clowns got the moderator posting at you and shut down the thread because of your infantile fixation with “Weiner”

    Nice try but that wasn’t me. Keep making false statements about me though, you have no idea who I am.”

    The old “you don’t know who I am” again……

    Who do I think you are?

  110. For those of you outraged at our little AOL game, you might want to comprehend that our attempts to carry on reasonable conversation in the chat was constantly disrupted by evangelical prothelizing, intended to do nothing more than agitate.

    It’s really sort of ironic that there would be such outrage when the tables are turned.

  111. “”sozo says:
    June 9, 2011 at 2:03 pm
    Geeze Kardnos, must you share your personal online dating history? And why am I NOT surprised that you were among those early chatroom Lonely Hearts?”

    Gee, sozo, I missed your apology to the thread after engaging me with this sliming…….I guess your faith teaches you that you can make exceptions when a good insult can be tossed out with no substance to support it.

  112. aislander says:

    beerBoy writes: “And…..why is it that so many on the left are very disenchanted with Obama if he has a far left socialist agenda?”

    The standard leftist excuse when their nostrums don’t work is that the “right people” weren’t in charge. That plaint is heard justifying Soviet communism or Carter ineptitude, but it is always heard. A huge leftist cohort was invested in Obama because he was “The One.” Now that he’s become just another failed leftist leader, the disappointment is painful and profound…

  113. No apology this go-round KARD. Your narcissistic folly is what it is.

  114. aislander – again….explain just what Obama’s “far left socialist” agenda is. What I see is a continuation of the expansion of the military/industrial complex, corporatism, and military adventurism – none of which have anything to do with Leftist causes.

    This is hardly buyers remorse: I, and many of my associates, didn’t vote for him because we saw that he was just another corporate lackey who benefited from being labeled Democrat when the country was sick of Bush…..just as Bush benefited from being labeled Republican when the country was sick of Clinton. Just rebounding from one label to another when the contents are always pretty much the same.

  115. Prothelizing. What is prothelizing?

    If you review my posts, Kardnos, you will find that “sliming someone” (how old ARE you?) is not typical of me. I appreciate dialogue, I am unapologetically opinionated about certain things, but not completely closed to seeing a new slant when someone articulately demonstrates layered thinking on an issue.

    I went down the rabbit hole of interacting with you because you are sort of like that toddler one tries to ignore but ultimately attends to in the vain hope of reducing the noise. You leap, you jump, you cry out “Look at me! Look at me!” until, finally, one does look at you and then is sorry.

    If I may, let me return to the letter written by Mr. Lamotte…while Anthony Wiener did not kill innocent people as you suggest that President Bush and VP Cheney did, (and of course I think this is a histrionic and unfounded reaction) he did something that raises legitimate questions about his character.

    The sexual behavior is NOT the issue, albeit it disturbing. As his president has suggested, resignation is a good idea. When Wiener is gone, so too will be the story.

  116. aislander says:

    sozo: Prothelizing is the event predicted by the saying: pride goeth before a fall…

  117. Alas Wiener is going away. It’s time to leave the middle school boys’ locker room and move onto more important issues.

  118. theglovesRoff says:

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