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PALIN: Robinson should criticize Weiner, not Palin

Letter by Ronald A. Petitte, Federal Way on June 7, 2011 at 1:52 pm with 217 Comments »
June 7, 2011 1:52 pm

Re: “The revisionist ride of Paul Revere” (Eugene Robinson column, 6-7).

Robinson is enraged over a comment Sarah Palin made referring to Paul Revere’s ride many years ago. After she explained her comment further when asked about it, Robinson still goes on and on and uses his whole column to attack Palin, saying she is a fraud, she is ridiculous, she is dangerous, she knows nothing, she is mad and on and on.

I guess Robinson has overlooked or forgotten the many misstatements of fact President Obama has made, like not knowing how many states were in the Union.

Meanwhile, the whole political scene in Washington is in a turmoil over Democratic Congressman Anthony Weiner. Not a word of outrage from Robinson about Weiner sending special online messages to many women.

Until all the facts are investigated, there is no telling just how many women he was communicating with in this manner. He refuses to resign and insists he has done nothing illegal.

How can someone with all the clout and importance of writing columns overlook a breaking scandal as big as Weiner’s in order to use his column to attack Palin, who has not yet announced she is running for president and who currently does not hold public office?

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  1. truthbusterguy says:

    This is exactly why the majority no longer considers media types like EG to have any creditability. They ae so deep in bed with the liberals they have lost their way as reporters and jouralist.

    If they don’t change they will soon have to find a real job. No one reads or watches this socialist anymore. Creditability lost, next.

    TNT, please find a replacement. You are wasting ink on this jerk.

  2. villager98 says:

    Pointing out Sarah Palin’s ignorance and inability to admit it hardly constitutes being enraged. Self-absorbed, dishonest politicians who use weak-minded followers, as Palin does, for personal gain are dangerous.

  3. Publico says:

    Rep. Weiner made a stupid error and he will pay for it. Ms. Palin just keeps on giving and giving and will probably get away with it until the votes come in.
    For Mr. Petitte to compare the intellectual capabilities of the President to Ms. Palin and say he is in any way as culpable is truly warped. Warping happens regularly to those on the extreme right.

  4. What’s the difference? He was stupid enough to send a P. pic, and she is too stupid to admit she doesn’t know her history AND the BOTH lie about it!

  5. larsman says:

    ahem… To all the self possessed lame-stream media critics (and history challenged opportunity addicted politicians):

    Paul Revere was captured by the British and in fact gave a stunningly sarcastic warning to them regarding the futility of the planned invasion.

    These events did in fact occur in 1773….not 1776.

    Who would have thought that a group called the tea party might actually know the historic events surrounding that namesake..more so than a media marketing campaign for re-election, go figure……..uhh, Palin was right…

  6. Publico says:

    I mean, look at the postings of truthbusterguy, Roncella, 3pigs, Parkland, et. al. Not a rational rationale in the group.

  7. The MSM is having a field day with both palin and Wiener because they are unimportant distractions from the grind of disasters, war, mayhem and the economy.

    Palin’s was easiest to parse as mixed up nonsense for a laugh and make fun of because it is the most blatant. Wiener’s is still unfolding, and I bet Robinson and some other liberal columnists will take pot shots at him, too. Columnists are not “breaking news” journalists.

    So far, it looks like a minor lapse and adultery only in Wiener’s dirty mind with no public funds involved. That hardly compares to the illegalities of David Vitter whom conservatives still praise as a “family man”, even though he lied about his affairs and use public money to pay prostitutes. He got reelected with Republicans full support.

  8. larsman says:

    Regarding Mr. Hot Dog………Character Matters…
    Especially if one is a PUBLIC SERVANT, and yes, that goes for Every public servant regardless of label affiliation.

    Character Matters…

  9. You know it doesn’t take much to figure out that columns like this are written days in advance, the failure palin stuck her foot in her mouth a few days ago, the Wiener story broke yesterday.

    I know you rightists need this to be huge but lets face it, the Wiener story is all but over…..sorry.

  10. “Creditability lost, next.”

    Sounds like the rightwing columnists, Will, the idiot kruthammer and all the rest.

  11. “uhh, Palin was right.”

    Let me ask you a question,
    How does it feel to be so partisan that you suspend all rational thought, all common sense and totally disreguard history in order to defend….sara palin, sara palin………think about it, you are rewritting and twisting American history to defend……..sara palin.
    How does that feel and how do you do it?

  12. KARDNOS says:

    Weiner is a fool. What man would risk his political career by soliciting man on man sex in the mens room at the Minneapolis airport and…..

    Oh…sorry…wrong guy.

    Weiner is a fool. Why would a man go to a prostitute and dress up in a diaper when he is a Congressional representative….

    darn….wrong guy again.

    OK…seriously. Weiner is a fool. Palin is a fool. Now what is the GOP Congress doing about Medicare and jobs?

  13. KARDNOS says:

    Palin is right, according to the wiki which has seen significant activity since her faux pas….

    From The Independent:

    “Sarah Palin’s version of Paul Revere’s ride has triggered a tug of war over the Wikipedia entry on that historic event. Dozens of changes were made to the Revere page on the Internet site Sunday and Monday after Palin claimed Revere’s famous ride was intended to warn both his fellow colonists and British soldiers. The page features a padlock, which Wikimedia Foundation spokesman Jay Walsh said can provide a cooling-off period when there are numerous attempts to edit a site.”

  14. KARDNOS says:

    Andrew Burton/Getty Images(SAN FRANCISCO) — The revisionists are coming! The revisionists are coming!

    Officials at the website Wikipedia say that since Sarah Palin gave her widely-publicized description of Paul Revere’s midnight ride, her supporters have tried to change the Paul Revere page to match the former Alaska governor’s version of events.

    In describing the famous 1775 ride from Boston to Concord, Palin said in Boston last week that “He who warned, uh, the…the British that they weren’t gonna be taking away our arms, uh, by ringing those bells and, um, by making sure that as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that, uh, we were gonna be secure and we were gonna be free…and we were gonna be armed.”

    On Fox News Sunday, where Palin is a paid contributor, the former Alaska governor insisted she got the facts right, adding, “I didn’t mess up. I answered candidly and I know my American history.”

    Just the same, there has since been information added to Paul Revere’s Wikipedia page, including, “Revere did not shout the phrase later attributed to him (‘The British are coming!’), largely because the mission depended on secrecy and the countryside was filled with British army patrols; also, most colonial residents at the time considered themselves British as they were all legally British subjects.”

    This was removed by Wikipedia with the notation, “content not backed by a reliable source.” There have been numerous other revisions that have been edited out over the past few days.

    One place where Palin’s supporters don’t have to worry about having their changes removed is Conservapedia, where Revere is now described as “famous for riding from Boston to Lexington, Massachusetts with William Dawes on the night of April 18, 1775 ringing bells to warn the British that colonists would exercise their natural rights to both bear arms and use them in an effort secede from the United Kingdom in response to Big Government bullying and interfering with Colony’s Rights.”

    Copyright 2011 ABC News Radio

  15. KARDNOS says:

    It’s amazing what you can get a group of Conservatives to believe…..LOL

  16. old_benjamin says:

    Robinson has no clout and no importance–merely a perpetually distorted view of current events.

  17. KARDNOS says:

    “How can someone with all the clout and importance of writing columns overlook a breaking scandal as big as Weiner’s in order to use his column to attack Palin, who has not yet announced she is running for president and who currently does not hold public office?”

    Is Ron trying to get us to believe that Palin doesn’t want all this press?????

    I won’t touch the line “as big as Weiner’s”……..

  18. old_benjamin says:

    Sorry to disappoint all you moderns, but the current view is that all history is in the eye of the writer/reader, ie., there aren’t no truth. Sarah Palin’s report of Revere’s ride is just as good as anyone else’s. Lousy Philistines, all of you.

  19. old_b: Palin’s may be good for the uninformed Obama-hater, but her version is not as good as Revere’s own letter and two testimonies under oath. He got to write his own history, and it sure doesn’t fit what she said or what Revere’s contemporaries said.

  20. Lars and Leper,
    Paul Revere’s Ride was on 18 April 1775.

    Revere’s purpose was to warn the American’s at Lexington and Concord that the British were on the way to seize and or destroy American stockpiles of black powder and lead.

    HE DID NOT INTEND TO WARN THE BRITISH as Palin claims.
    IMO the farther right people/organizations are the less they know about the true history of our Country.

    All,
    Representative Weiner will be judged – By his wife, by his colleagues in the House, and by the voters in his home district. The rest of us are not part of the jury.

    old_ben,
    There is history (what happened).
    There are analysis and interpretation (why things happened the way they did),
    There are revisionism and propaganda, which twists history to justify a belief.

    Palin and the right fall in the last group.

  21. old_benjamin says:

    xing, and there is postmodernism, which denies there is any single correct version of history. It’s all a power play. In this instance we see Robinson bashing Palin with his view of history to marginalize her. See how that works?

  22. “It’s amazing what you can get a group of Conservatives to believe…..LOL”

    Not really, as long as it comes from fox or any another drug addict on the TV or radio, they will swallow everything, it’s the truth thats hard for them to believe.

  23. “In this instance we see Robinson bashing Palin with his view of history to marginalize her. See how that works?”

    LOL!!!!!
    Yes I see now, it’s the victim card! Poor little sara!

  24. KARDNOS says:

    “but her version is not as good as Revere’s own letter and two testimonies under oath.”

    tuddo……

    old ben has to still be smarting from that slap in the face…

  25. KARDNOS says:

    As to Eugene Robinson’s credentials….

    “Eugene “Gene” Robinson, a columnist for the Washington Post available in print in St. Louis only in the American, has won the 2009 Pulitzer Prize for Commentary.

    “We are fortunate to provide a platform for Eugene Robinson’s insightful perspectives on important matters,” said American Publisher Donald M. Suggs.

    A Pulitzer is for journalistic excellence. I think many of our Conservative commentators have received a Putzpuller award

  26. old_benjamin says:

    Kardnos, the entire leftist enterprise is founded on the notion that truth is relative. Be careful you don’t slip and fall when you pull that rug out from under yourself.

  27. KARDNOS says:

    Question – “What did you see today and what did you take away from it?”

    Normal answer from tourist – “We saw all sorts of historical locations and learned about the United States”

    Palin answer -“He who warned the British that they weren’t going to be taking away our arms by ringing those bells and, um, making sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that, uh, we were going to be secure and we were going to be free.”

  28. KARDNOS says:

    Old b…..

    deflect much?

    The whole story is not so much Palin’s gaffe, but the need for her and her minions to rewrite history to cover her keester….

    I don’t think you know your left from your right

  29. Roncella says:

    Oh You poor liberals, twisting and turning trying so hard to spin the coverage of your hero Democrat Congressman Anthony Weiner.

    Why your fearless leader Nancy Pelosi, has even called for an investagation of Wiener, imagine That !!!

  30. KARDNOS says:

    “the entire leftist enterprise”

    By the way…what the heck is THAT???????

    Is that sort of like the “gay agenda”?

  31. KARDNOS says:

    Uh…Ronnie…..catch up on your reading……no one is defending Weiner.

    You are trying to make up an argument that isn’t happening….LOL

  32. KARDNOS says:

    Oh…and Ron….

    Robinson hasn’t covered Weiner’s story…..yet. It just came to surface yesterday.

    Robinson, unlike the Right Wing Sound Machine, writes fact based commentary, as opposed to hyperbolic rants to see what sticks to the wall.

    Thus his Pulitzer.

  33. old_benjamin says:

    Kardnos, I’ll type more slowly. It’s a major tenet of modern liberalism that all truth is relative to a particular time and place. That’s how you guys can say the Constitution means whatever some judge says it means, not what the Founders intended. You want a relative Constitution but absolute history when it suits your purposes. Sorry, but that old dog won’t hunt. If history is absolute so, is the Constitution. I f the Constitution isn’t, neither is history. Take your pick, but try to be consistent. Otherwise, yoiu sound kinda silly.

  34. roncella, who is defending Wiener?
    You are defending the dumbest woman in politics failin palin, how does that make you feel?

  35. KARDNOS says:

    “‘Refudiate,’ ‘misunderestimate,’ ‘wee-wee’d up.’ English is a living language. Shakespeare liked to coin new words too. Got to celebrate it!'” –a follow-up Tweet by Sarah Palin, proudly mistaking her illiteracy for literary genius, July 18, 2010″

    Not only a history genius……

  36. old_benjamin says:

    “We will have to pass Obamacare to find out what’s in it.”

    I forget, was that Palin or Polosi?

    Whichever, she has got to be the dumbest woman in politics.

  37. KARDNOS says:

    “old_benjamin says:
    June 7, 2011 at 4:02 pm
    Kardnos, I’ll type more slowly. It’s a major tenet of modern liberalism that all truth is relative to a particular time and place.”

    And this is because you just made that up?

    Let’s not even pretend that the Conservative Supreme Court doesn’t manipulate the gray matter on the Constitution.

    Hell, the Second Amendment alone as been prostituted to an extreme. The Conservatives always leave out the first half –

    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State”

    In today’s United States the right to bear arms has nothing to do with a militia.

    Quit while you’re mildly amusing, ben

  38. KARDNOS says:

    “old_benjamin says:
    June 7, 2011 at 4:08 pm
    “We will have to pass Obamacare to find out what’s in it.”

    Now, we all know that this is a lie if attibuted to Nancy Pelosi because she would not call health care reform “Obamacare”.

    Now, what were you saying about the relativity of truth, old bennie????

    If anyone can find Pelosi’s actual quote among the mass of misquotes by the Right Wing Sound Machine, I’d love to see it.

  39. KARDNOS says:

    Oh….here we go……

    Even though it happened in mid-March, seething opponents of the health-care reform law continue to bring up that Nancy Pelosi said, “we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it,” suggesting she was masterminding an attempt to sneak the bill past the public.

    Context for this remark was assembled by the Pulitzer Prize-winning team at Politifact, which pointed out that the full quote was “we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy.”

    Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly offered this interpretation of Pelosi’s comment: “She meant there was so much talk about process (in Congress) that people have lost sight of what’s actually in the bill. Once it’s passed, we can remind them of all the good things that are in it.”…

    The non-partisan Kaiser Family Foundation…reminded us that Congress (had posted) the entire legislation online….

    U.S. Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Lewisville, among a handful of physicians in Congress and an opponent to the Democrats’ proposal… told us it’s often true that the ins and outs of legislation aren’t widely known until after a measure passes into law; that held true, for instance, for the Republican-steered measure providing government aid toward prescription drugs for seniors.

    Pelosi’s “right,” Burgess said, though “I don’t think that’s a good strategy (to declare as much). I wouldn’t recommend anyone actually broadcasting that.”

    Yeah, speaking the truth is never a good idea in Washington.

    As usual….the Right Wing takes liberties with the accuracy of a quote.

  40. KARDNOS says:

    Well…after all of these debunks of bennie and ronnie….it should be time for a “kardnos comments too much” Happy Hour whine.

  41. Roncella says:

    xtp855, Why are you so hateful and attacking Sarah Palin all the time ????

    She’s just taking a bus trip across the nation with her family enjoying all the greatness of America the Land of the Free, and home of the brave.

    Why are you so threatened by her, don’t be afraid, heck, she don’t weight much more than 110 lbs, she wouldn’t hurt you, for sure. u bet cha..

  42. KARDNOS says:

    They’re in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom.
    Sarah Palin
    Getting the US vice president’s constitutional role wrong after being asked by a third grader what the vice president does, interview with NBC affiliate KUSA in Colorado, October 21, 2008.

    Now what was the question about “dumb”?

  43. KARDNOS says:

    “She’s just taking a bus trip across the nation with her family enjoying all the greatness of America the Land of the Free, and home of the brave.”

    :::::national anthem in background and closes with flag waving in the breeze:::::

    Everyone gets custom vanity paint job done on a bus before taking a trip across America. Heck, I’m going to the Oregon coast in July, I think I’ll have the Ford repainted.

    Whatever happened to the good old days of a nice Class A Motorhome with a standard paint job?

  44. SadujTogracse says:

    Please don’t take your computer to the coast in July, at least we will have a few days where we don’t have to read a new Kardnos post every minute.

    As to Weiner, any person with an ounce of integrity would have resigned.

  45. “Why are you so threatened by her”

    Threatened? Not hardly.
    Why do you think someone so stupid is so great?

  46. KARDNOS says:

    “Biblical morality is disparaged by liberals as being relative to Bible time.”

    I think a nice “Job” episode would be good for reality TV. You know, the Devil and God casting all sorts of crap on poor old Job rather than picking up a chess board. We need to see more people with open boils on them!!!

    The God of the Bible wipes out the entire planet and religionists say “you go, God!”. A woman wants to abort the fetus provided to her by rape and the religionists gasp in horror.

    Yeah….give us that old time religion!!!!!

    Old bennie….maybe, we can go back to burning people at the stake to secure the Conservative ways of life.

  47. old_benjamin says:

    Kardnos, this is for you–Pelosi in her own words.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To&feature=player_detailpage

  48. “As to Weiner, any person with an ounce of integrity would have resigned.”

    You mean like Larry Craig?

    Say what you will but the Wiener thing really isn’t that big of deal on the scale of ‘shock’ or even morality. Should he resign? Personally, I don’t think so but niether you nor I has much to say about it, it’s the people in his district that have the say.
    It’s typical of the rightists to want, desperatly, to use this to deflect from the lousy 6 months they have been having however, and really who can blame them?

  49. KARDNOS says:

    “As to Weiner, any person with an ounce of integrity would have resigned.”

    Like Newt Gingrich?

    “Newt pressed his first wife to sign divorce papers while she was still in the hospital recovering from cancer surgery. He also graciously said “She isn’t young enough or pretty enough to be the President’s wife.”

    That was in the late 1980s. Newt went on to run for Congress, etc….

    After the bad check scandals, among other issues…….

    He is now telling us he is Presidential material.

  50. SadujTogracse says:

    Yes, just like Craig should have and Vitters. You see some of us are consistent. Rep. Lee resigned for a lot less than this.

    It is a big deal when he is sending explicit photographs to people he DIDN’T EVEN KNOW. He can’t know for sure if any were underage, or if they didn’t want those photos to begin with. It has everything to do witha total lack of judgement, not someone who should be sitting in Congress making decisions that effect all of us. Saying it isn’t a big deal or try to make excuses for it just shows your ignorance of the situation.

  51. KARDNOS says:

    “SadujTogracse says:
    June 7, 2011 at 4:32 pm
    Please don’t take your computer to the coast in July, at least we will have a few days where we don’t have to read a new Kardnos post every minute.”

    THE HAPPY HOUR WHINE!!!!

    Oh poor you…..another one!

    Say, Saduj….I’m just thowing a thought against the wall to see if it sticks, but….
    since your first moniker is no longer an allowable word on this blog, and you are not comfortable reading my comments….maybe it’s time for you to quit stalking me and get a life.

    Sorry…that was probably too logical….

  52. SadujTogracse says:

    Kardnos, see my previous post. I’m very consistent. Even your hero Mr. Ed said he should resign, perhaps the first time I have agreed with him ever. I’m not even saying he can never run again, I am saying he needs to resign now and if he wants to run for public office again later then that will be a decision the voters should make.

  53. KARDNOS says:

    We now have two Conservatives on the blog that are trying to get someone….anyone….to fight with them about Weiner. The funny part is that no one is defending him.

    ::::::::::Windmill…..this is Don Quixote speaking::::::::::

  54. KARDNOS says:

    ::::takes Gingrich’s name off the Conservative list of Presidential candidates::::

  55. old_benjamin says:

    Kardnos, thanks for testfying for the prosecution. But you are avoiding the issue. Either there is absolute truth or there isn’t. If there is, where does it come from and how do we know it? If there isn’t, why bash Sarah Palin for stating her version of history?

  56. SadujTogracse says:

    “The funny part is that no one is defending him.”

    Uh short term memory problems? Saying “it isn’t a big deal” is defending him.

  57. KARDNOS says:

    Saduj…who is defending Weiner?

    I know it’s windy outside, but you can turn around and spit down wind…..

  58. KARDNOS says:

    As to Congresspersons….I’m wondering if mine has a job. We haven’t seen a damned thing from her since she took office.

  59. SadujTogracse says:

    I don’t know who your Congressperson is, but mine is Jaime Herrera Beutler and she’s doing a fantastic job!

  60. KARDNOS says:

    “Saying “it isn’t a big deal” is defending him”

    If you say so…….

    Since you’re going to qualify it…..is Weiner’s action any worse than Gingrich?

    Now this will be difficult because you’re going to have to stick to facts and not “what ifs”….you know like “what if one of the recipents was the Virgin Mary?”

    Oh…and did I say “it isn’t a big deal”?????

  61. KARDNOS says:

    Saduj…….such a fantastic job that her 45 minute town hall meeting didn’t allow for consituent input to any degree…..

    The Conservative mark of quality.

  62. SadujTogracse says:

    No, someone else said that,. However you said “no one” is defending him, that wasn’t true. I’m not the judge of what is worse behavior, a higher power will have to determine that.

  63. KARDNOS says:

    Saduj….just a quick question….

    If you don’t like reading my comments….why do you attempt to engage me in conversation?

  64. KARDNOS says:

    Compared to you…..I’m the higher power.

    I claim that isn’t defending him.

    Thanks for playing.

  65. SadujTogracse says:

    I’ve received responses back from her office everytime I have contacted it, quickly too! She’s standing firm in her convictions as well, which is pretty rare in a politician these days.

  66. SadujTogracse says:

    Some of them make me laugh, but when you start taking up 50, 60 ,70% of the thread with just your comments it starts to get old.

  67. KARDNOS says:

    I can’t find “no big deal” on this thread

  68. SadujTogracse says:

    Oh for crying out loud. xtp said “Say what you will but the Wiener thing really isn’t that big of deal on the scale of ‘shock’ or even morality.”

  69. KARDNOS says:

    Oh…there is “that big of a deal”…..now let’s take a look at the context of what was really being said…

    “Say what you will but the Wiener thing really isn’t that big of deal on the scale of ‘shock’ or even morality. Should he resign? Personally, I don’t think so but niether you nor I has much to say about it, it’s the people in his district that have the say.
    It’s typical of the rightists to want, desperatly, to use this to deflect from the lousy 6 months they have been having however, and really who can blame them?”

    Now mind everyone this comment was made AFTER Saduj launch the attack….

    It would appear that xtp was trying to put the issue into context versus the real problems the country has – budgets, jobs, Medicare, et al…….

    It’s so strange that Saduj would take someone’s comments out of context…..

    NOT!

  70. KARDNOS says:

    geez…forgive me…but I was looking for it PRIOR to your complaining comment.

    So, as usual, you created an argument and then found a subsequent comment to validate your creation of the argument.

  71. KARDNOS says:

    “old_benjamin says:
    June 7, 2011 at 4:36 pm
    Kardnos, this is for you–Pelosi in her own words.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To&feature=player_detailpage

    Uh…Bennie…..I’ll take the Politifact explanation versus your youtube edited version. You provided me the proof I need that Conservatives constantly misquote and misrepresent what people actually say.

  72. KARDNOS says:

    Without defending Weiner, I’m left wondering how Brietbart, who has a reputation for creating facades to get what he wants, got his hands on the pictures if this was just some innocent women who were engaging in adult conversations and such with the Congressman.

    Did Weiner get the ‘pimp’ treatment?

    Rule number one in politics, never lead with your ego. He’s stupid if he doesn’t think someone would set him up.

    He’s already floating the “didn’t know the ages” talking point (I saw him on TV) and got people like Saduj parroting.

    Just sayin’……

  73. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Old B/Judas- the mass poster on this board is attemping to drown out any voice of reason and never engages in any form of intelligent conversation. Ignore him like the rest of the world has done his entire life.

  74. theglovesRoff says:

    KARDNOS says:
    JUNE 7, 2011 AT 4:35 PM
    Old bennie

    kardnos cries not fair when people criticize him for the consecutive posts he does.

    Kardnos then complains people don’t engage in adult conversations.

    When someone does engage in an adult conversation with him, and disagrees with his position, KARDNOS resorts to name calling by twisting the “moniker” of the person that disagrees with him.

    Looks like kardnos is the child here.

    And thanks for having me banned, when you and the others are still able to use your same name.

    But we all know the “moderators” know you by name……..

    Pathetic.

  75. yabetchya says:

    Kard, you have to be the fastest typer in history….2 post at the exact same time..Wow I am impressed.
    KARDNOS says:
    June 7, 2011 at 4:48 pm
    We now have two Conservatives on the blog that are trying to get someone….anyone….to fight with them about Weiner. The funny part is that no one is defending him.

    ::::::::::Windmill…..this is Don Quixote speaking::::::::::

    KARDNOS says:
    June 7, 2011 at 4:48 pm
    ::::takes Gingrich’s name off the Conservative list of Presidential candidates::::

  76. old_benjamin says:

    Kardnos, I give you a link to Pelosi herself and you still deny that she said what she said. I’d give Palin a break if i were you. You can twist the facts with the best of them. Have a nice life, bozo.

  77. Say what you want, but Sarah Palin will be the next POTUS. There is nothing anyone can do to stop it, and those who can think do not want to stop it.

    Within six months after she takes the oath, the economy will be on a serious upswing. Unemployment will drop by 2%-3% within the first fourteen months of the Palin Administration.

    By the time she has served two years, the Jug Ears administration will seem like a bad dream. And then all you drama queens can send thank you notes to the White House.

    Enjoy the last days of mindless liberalism. Once it ends, it is not coming back in America.

  78. bobcat1a says:

    pgroup, if you aren’t being successful at writing fiction…well, the reason is something called verisimilitude (look it up).
    However, if apocalyptic horror stories are your chosen style, I see promise.

  79. yabetchya says:

    pgroup, you are sounding alot like Kardnos, polago and a man named Sue. Are you joining that ring of fire?

  80. KARDNOS says:

    “old_benjamin says:
    June 7, 2011 at 6:34 pm
    Kardnos, I give you a link to Pelosi herself and you still deny that she said what she said. I’d give Palin a break if i were you. You can twist the facts with the best of them. Have a nice life, bozo.”

    No need, OB…….I already posted the in-context version:

    Context for this remark was assembled by the Pulitzer Prize-winning team at Politifact, which pointed out that the full quote was “we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy.”

  81. KARDNOS says:

    yabetcha….how does pgroup’s Conservative nocturnal emmission sound like a handful of liberals?

    Are you as reading impaired as OB?

  82. KARDNOS says:

    yabetcha…..it’s “typist” and yes….after all these years, I can type pretty damned fast.

  83. KARDNOS says:

    theglovesRoff says:
    June 7, 2011 at 6:24 pm
    And thanks for having me banned, when you and the others are still able to use your same name.

    WOW! I certainly have a lot of power! gloveR did nothing wrong and I had gloveR banned

    For my next trick I’ll levitate the entire News Tribune building.

  84. KARDNOS says:

    Confused…..how do I keep you from posting so that I’m the only one that can do it?

  85. yabetchya says:

    KARDNOS says:
    June 7, 2011 at 7:17 pm
    yabetcha…..it’s “typist” and yes….after all these years, I can type pretty damned fast.

    I am so sorry oh lord of the spelling bee, I am humbled by your self greatness. You are the one who you have been waiting for. I understand, and I will make sure that I take great pride in pointing out your self love, how many times you talk..oops resopnd to your own posts, for they are worthy of you and should be pointed out. No sweetheart, I am not a stalker or a troll,,,,,you take that great honor and NO ONE can take it away. I just happen to become your unofficial recorder..just to prove your greatness and remind all of what you are :)

  86. yabetchya says:

    KARDNOS says:
    June 7, 2011 at 7:16 pm
    yabetcha….how does pgroup’s Conservative nocturnal emmission sound like a handful of liberals?

    Are you as reading impaired as OB?

    No I am not….His drivil sounds alot like yours..

  87. the3rdpigshouse says:

    Robinson is nothing more than a talking head sycophantic supporter of anti-American socialist democrats!!! This guy should not be wasting trees and good printer ink – he is a waste!!!

  88. theglovesRoff says:

    Now that was interesting, thanks. ;-)

    And no kard, not this name, duh, another name.

    And I thought you were the smartest man on the planet.

  89. theglovesRoff says:

    Night all…..

  90. Fibonacci says:

    pgroup
    Paliln as the next POTUS? God, you don’t know how much the Democrats hope she is the Republikan nomination. She has no chance whatsoever of being elected. Only the exreme right like her, that leaves middle of the road Repubikans, (are there any left?) , independents, and Democrats. She would lose by even more votes than McCain, but what entertainment listening to her make stupid statements. She was so inept in Alaska it is scary as to what would happen if she were president–probably war with China.

  91. “why bash Sarah Palin for stating her version of history?”

    o_b, you have consistently demonstrated your preference for absolute truths as well as absolute morality. Can you explain how your defense of Palin’s “version of history” is consistent with your previously stated views?

  92. “Robinson has no clout and no importance–merely a perpetually distorted view of current events.”

    More “absolute truth” from o_b about someone who is a nationally syndicated, Pulitzer prize winning columnist who, in addition to his regular columns appears on a number of nationally broadcast shows as a regular guest commentator.

    Whether you agree with his views or not, it seems a little odd to try to dismiss his clout and importance on a thread about him that has, at this moment, 92 posts.

  93. Old_ben,
    Studying history is akin to the blind men and the elephant – no one can see the whole picture.

    However, there are common generally accepted events and their discretion.

    One of these is the Revere was out to warn the Americans that the British were coming.

    So just man up and admit Palin once again inserted her foot in her oral cavity.

    It is the right that is founded on the flexibility of truth and history. Just ask old Newt about ‘radical social engineering.’

    The Constitution IS not set in stone like the neocon right seems to think, my proof being the 22 times it has been amended.

    Sorry been, but Jesus never spoke against abortion or homosexuality.

    Roncella,
    So Weiner should resign. But Ensign, Stanford, Vetter, and all the other GOP hypocrites should be forgiven and allowed to continue to serve?

    As for the investigation, you would be dancing a jig if there was not one.

    A family trip? With a pre-announced itinerary and half the media in attendance.

    Saduj:
    So Ensign must score very high on our list.

  94. LarryFine says:

    Kooky… KARDlago was defending Weiner boy just the other day. Must of took the talking points excuse from the Soros funded Media Matters… and now … since Weiner boy finally fessed up?

  95. LarryFine says:

    Were it not for , Palin this thread would not exist bB.

  96. KARDNOS says:

    Per Politico’s Ben Smith, Ed Rollins, Bachmann’s newly hired political adviser, let loose on the former Alaska governor in a radio interview today with Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade, implying she’s a joke of a candidate.

    “Sarah has not been serious over the last couple of years,” Rollins said. “She got the vice presidential thing handed to her. She didn’t go to work in the sense of trying to gain more substance. She gave up her governorship.”

  97. KARDNOS says:

    “LarryFine says:
    June 7, 2011 at 10:40 pm
    Kooky… KARDlago was defending Weiner boy just the other day. Must of took the talking points excuse from the Soros funded Media Matters… and now … since Weiner boy finally fessed up?”

    We have a funny thing in the United States called “innocent until proven guilty”. I believe in supporting the concept. There was a demonstration the other day of how Weiner’s account could have been hacked. I shared it. I’m not sure what Polago said. LarryFine will have to tell you

    Having been the victim of Right Wing jealousy and account hacking, I know they’ll stop at nothing.

    Now that Weiner has confessed, there is no doubt about guilt.

  98. KARDNOS says:

    “LarryFine says:
    June 7, 2011 at 10:42 pm
    Were it not for , Palin this thread would not exist bB.”

    Now THERE is the Brilliant Statement of the Day!!!

    Let’s give LarryFine the DUH Award.

  99. KARDNOS says:

    Master of the Obvious

  100. KARDNOS says:

    “I just happen to become your unofficial recorder..just to prove your greatness and remind all of what you are”

    Oh….a stalker, huh?

  101. NWflyfisher says:

    NPR’s “All Things Considered” host Melissa Block spoke with Robert Allison, professor, historian and chair of the history department at Suffolk University in Boston about Mrs. Palin’s comments to see just how historically accurate they were. Audio of the interview: http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=137011636&m=137012129

  102. KARDNOS says:

    The “Iron Lady” is drawing a curtain between herself and Sarah Palin.

    Margaret Thatcher, the former U.K. Prime Minister – and heroine of the former Alaska governor – has no interest in meeting the “nuts” potential presidential candidate, Thatcher aides tell British media.

    Palin recently revealed that she’ll make a stop in London en route to Sudan this summer.

    “I am just hoping Mrs. Thatcher is well enough to see me as I so admire her,” the Tea Party favorite told Britain’s Sunday Times.

    But the feeling isn’t mutual.

    “Lady Thatcher will not be seeing Sarah Palin. That would be belittling for Margaret. Sarah Palin is nuts,” a source told the Guardian.

  103. Anyone want to guess how many comments would exist for this letter had KARDNOS shown a bit of restraint?

    I’m embarrassed for you KARD.

  104. How different this thread would be had Obama made that same comment about Paul Revere instead of Sarah Palin.

    The Right would have been falling all over themselves chastising him for making such an unforgivable mistake. But then, that’s what they do.

  105. Did you ever notice, sozo, how most of the comments from the Right are about Kardnos?

  106. KARDNOS says:

    BLOCK: And Sarah Palin also was saying there that Paul Revere’s message to the British in his warning was: you’re not going to take American arms. You know, basically a Second Amendment argument, even though the Second Amendment didn’t exist then.

    Prof. ALLISON: Yeah. She was making a Second Amendment case. But, in fact, the British were going out to Concord to seize colonists’ arms, the weapons that the Massachusetts Provincial Congress was stockpiling there.

    So, yeah, she is right in that. I mean, and she may be pushing it too far to say this is a Second Amendment case. Of course, neither the Second Amendment nor the Constitution was in anyone’s mind at the time. But the British objective was to get the arms that were stockpiled in Concord.

    Trying to get the enemies weapons….hmmm….didn’t we do that in Iraq? Pretty typical tactic in military skirmishes

    Thank you, Professor for showing us what we already know – Sarah Palin rewrites history to suit her politics.

  107. KARDNOS says:

    Polago….no…..It’s now Kardlago…..or something of the sort….LOL

  108. That’s what extremists with time on their hands ON BOTH SIDES of the political spectrum do, Polago. Surely you are not going to suggest the right is any worse about this than the left? I expect a tad more realism from you.

    As I said on another post, gaff-sightings are an absurd waste of energy, and for Robinson to jump into it SHOULD be embarrassing for him. And, as for his Pulitzer, “prizes” may have once been awarded based on some measure of merit, but this one, like The Nobel Peace Prize, has the stench of politics on it. It means very little.

  109. KARDNOS says:

    “sozo says:
    June 8, 2011 at 7:26 am
    Anyone want to guess how many comments would exist for this letter had KARDNOS shown a bit of restraint?

    I’m embarrassed for you KARD”

    Well, sozo, what can I say. Unlike you, people seem to want to address me and discuss things with me. Look at the CONTEXT of the comments (I know, I know….) You’ll see that 90% of the time I’m responding to someone.

    I think that embarrassment is envy…..but that’s alright.

  110. Wow, that was fast.

  111. KARDNOS says:

    Oh..and the other difference, sozo, is that I will take my stand and not run away whining about someone being too tough on me.

    Sound familiar?

  112. KARDNOS gets the attention he/she craves and invites. It’s like having an enormous fly buzzing around your dinner plate. You want to ignore it, but you can’t. I posed the question I did because I found myself sliding past all his posts this morning to see if there was any viable discussion of the situation going on. His moniker appeared so many times, I was just a little astonished by it.

  113. I doubt that Robinson expects every column he writes to be Nobel material.

    This one sure gets alot of attention for being of lesser quality.

  114. KARDNOS says:

    Oh…now sozo knows more than the Pulitzer and Nobel committees about how their awards should be handed out?

  115. Palin gets the attention she craves and invites. This thread is about Palin, not Kardnos.

  116. KARDNOS says:

    As predicted:

    KARDNOS says:
    June 7, 2011 at 4:17 pm
    Well…after all of these debunks of bennie and ronnie….it should be time for a “kardnos comments too much” Happy Hour whine.

  117. Let’s try an experiment. Those of you who find yourself sucked into what passes for dialogue with KARD, go “cold turkey” for a few days and see what happens. It’s been my experience that when no one replies to KARDNOS, there are suddenly multiple posts from him, one after the other. Am I mistaken?

  118. KARDNOS says:

    Polago…there you go again….posting facts…..

    I’m still trying to figure out how I can keep these whiners from posting. They seem to think I have that mastered….

  119. KARDNOS says:

    Uh…sozo…the “multiple posts” as you call them are responses to multiple issues.

    You’re doing a great job of it as this discussion continues……

  120. Polago, I tend to agree with your about Palin getting a lot of attention. The difference is that all those media folks who think she is not a serious or reasonable candidate could fix the problem with the snap of their fingers by pulling the string or reporters from tailing her bus and setting them to work on more serious candidates.

    But they can’t because of one thing. Despite the concert of criticism of her from the liberal press and other sources, the people of the heartland like her. I’m sure elitists will say (among themselves, never in public) that it’s because they too are not very bright, poor things, and they can’t see how foolish they are. Maybe.

    And maybe not.

  121. KARDNOS says:

    How about another experiment, sozo…..

    Take a look at a thread where I haven’t posted for 5, 6, 7 hours and see how many times a Right Winger brought up my name.

    Hell, there are a couple of people who are soley on the TNT because I’m here.

  122. maybe not.

    But I’m sure that you enjoy thinking that.

  123. If indeed they are separate people, Kardnos.

  124. KARDNOS says:

    “The difference is that all those media folks”

    Of course, we all remember when the Right Wing complained that Obama was getting all the press during the election coverage…..

    Keep moving the goal posts. Reading Right Wingers is so of like reading Goldilocks and the Three Bears

    “too much media”……”not enough media”……

    Palin set out to attract attention, complete with PR staff and got it.

  125. KARDNOS says:

    Polago…..they are two people that both use multiple monikers.

  126. You can blame the media, sozo, but they’re only providing what the viewers want/crave.

    Getting attention sells advertising.

    The TNT gets hits from all of these comments, and sells to advertisers who like hits.

  127. You and me, Kardnos? :)

  128. yabetchya says:

    KARDNOS says:
    June 8, 2011 at 7:42 am

    Hell, there are a couple of people who are soley on the TNT because I’m here.

    The almighty one is full of him self today ! You are right Kard, those personalities follow you so close and mimic you so well it’s hard to tell who is who.

  129. yabetchya says:

    KARDNOS says:
    June 8, 2011 at 7:02 am

    Having been the victim of Right Wing jealousy and account hacking, I know they’ll stop at nothing

    OMG<<<You poor poor baby, Now that your momma's passed on to a better life, who's going to lick your wounds..polago maybe? He follows right behind all your post like dog sniffing another dog.

  130. Roncella says:

    sozo, Your observations about Kardnos are right on.

    Its so darn hard to understand why the liberals and some dems. are so afraid and scared of little Sarah palin.

    I understand she is a very good hunter and loves to fish too and is right at home camping in the woods or on a tour Bus traveling across America.

    She holds no Public office makes appearences from time to time usually on Fox News, (fair and balanced).

    Here we have a important extreme far left Columnist Eugene Robinson attacking her over some comments she made about Paul Revere. Apparently Eugene must feel the need to call her names and bring her down weaken her importance and build poor President Obama approval rating which is in the cellar, and for good reason, he has made a mess of his first 2 1/2 years as President.

    The one thing I can give Obama some credit for is going ahead and giving the order to kill the terrorist leader bin laden, other than that Obama has been a huge dissappointment for most Americans, so far.

    Obama has over a billion dollars to run his campaign to win 4 more years, and he has at least a year to get his approval rating up. Republicans would be smart to not under estimate his chances to recover, he is an excellent campaigner and Tele-prompter reader, he has proven that Already.

  131. KARDNOS says:

    Polago….as you can see, they are right on time….complete with outting…..

  132. LarryFine says:

    “How different this thread would be had Obama made that same comment about Paul Revere instead of Sarah Palin.”

    Indeed… odds are we wouldn’t have heard much about it.

  133. KARDNOS says:

    “President Obama approval rating which is in the cellar”

    Yeah, Roncella, sozo is right…I just can’t help getting noticed for exposing your ridiculous statements.

    50% approval isn’t in the cellar. 29% is. Ask George Bush about the cellar.

  134. KARDNOS says:

    Did sozo notice that “yabetcha” posted “multiples”???????

    And all three were about me…not the thread subject…..

    Hmmm……………..

  135. “Did you ever notice, sozo, how most of the comments from the Right are about Kardnos”

    Thats because the rightists have nothing to stand on, and I suspect it’s realy just one or 2 rightwing trolls. You notice the trolls whining about KARDNOS never post about anything else.

    But to get a partisan like soso to notice or admit that it is really the rightists causing the problems…….good luck.

  136. KARDNOS says:

    “Indeed… odds are we wouldn’t have heard much about it.”

    Yeah….the right wing is still stuck on “57 states”……

    Intellectual honesty isn’t your strong suit.

  137. KARDNOS says:

    xtp….how can you be me when we keep posting at the same time?

  138. KARDNOS says:

    :::::waiting for “two computers”:::::::

  139. KARDNOS says:

    My next family vacation….I’m going to bring a PR staff….

  140. KARDNOS says:

    “The almighty one is full of him self today !”

    The ZEN thing again…..LOL. Although I think it would more correctly be “his self”

  141. “the people of the heartland like her.”

    No acttually they don’t, she, palin is pretty much universially laughed at, which is the very reason she gets the attention she does.
    People like to laugh at idiots and they want to see and hear the next stupid thing they say or do.
    She and several others on the right seldom disapoint.
    hell one of them is about to start his own TV network for gawds sakes!

    Look a failin palins numbers, she has the lowest approval rating and the highest negatives of any of the sad grouping on the right.
    People don’t like her, they love to laugh AT her.

  142. “My next family vacation….I’m going to bring a PR staff….”

    Who doesn’t?
    My publisist has painted the motorhome and it looks great!
    Anyone can make donations to my PAC and I promise not to use that money to pay for my “vacation”…..I really promise.

  143. “xtp….how can you be me when we keep posting at the same time?”

    Hey! Don’t forget me!

  144. And when I’m on “vacation” not spending campaign donations (wink wink) the evil media can ask me all the ‘gotcha questions’ they want, like, ‘where did you go today?” ‘what did you see?’, and the really hard one……’what newspapers do you read’?
    I will answer all those tough questions as long as I can write notes on my hand!

  145. Roncella says:

    xtp855, You sound jealous of Little Sarah Palin. You would like to try and duplicate her Bus tour and find a way to have someone else pay your expenses.

    Why are you so concerned about Sarah palins numbers ??

    She has not stated that she is running for any office, unless you know more than anyone else what her plans are.

    Anyway she really has little chance to win the nomination or election, remember you libs all say she is not smart enough, like your hero President Obama who is so much more intelligent, U bet cha…..

    ..thats why the whole Country is in such a mess in only 2 1/2 years with Obama as President.

  146. How could we foerget you Polago? You ARE us!

  147. Keep trying roncella, keep trying.

  148. yabetchya says:

    KARDNOS says:
    June 8, 2011 at 8:23 am
    xtp….how can you be me when we keep posting at the same time?

    Easy, just like you post many times at the same time.

  149. Real Clear Politics lists the President’s approval at +5.2 – which means the average of 6 polls show Obama average approval rate is 50.0% vs a disapproval rate of 44.8%.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

  150. Polage — Re your response to my earlier comment: “the people of the heartland like [Palin]. I’m sure elitists will say (among themselves, never in public) that it’s because they too are not very bright, poor things, and they can’t see how foolish they are.”

    It’s not about the thought giving me pleasure Polago, just thinking there might be something to it, that’s all. I come from people that the elite feel compelled to rescue, (there’s lots of ego-building done in the name of rescuing others) and I’ve worked among enough erudite elitists to know what I’m talking about, at least a little.

    BTW Pol, remember that your mama warned you “you are known by the company you keep.”

    And, for the record, I’ve been quite clear that the KARDNOS syndrome is NOT exclusive to the left, but I’m pretty sure a data check will show that few have rivaled his verbosity, though we used to have another little fella that came close; can’t remember his moniker any more though.

  151. KARDNOS says:

    “You would like to try and duplicate her Bus tour and find a way to have someone else pay your expenses.”

    So you are admitting that Palin’s trip is bought and paid for? By who?

    Oh…as to “duplicating”……Palin is duplicating Clinton/Gore 1996.

    Nice try, Roncella. Keep up the good work.

  152. KARDNOS says:

    Make that 1992….

  153. KARDNOS says:

    “And, for the record, I’ve been quite clear that the KARDNOS syndrome is NOT exclusive to the left”

    This reminds me of Cantor’s comment about Weiner this morning. Instead of sticking to Weiner and the facts, Cantor pulled Pelosi, Obama and Wasserman Schultz names into his diatribe.

    Classic Right Wing smear.

  154. KARDNOS says:

    “..thats why the whole Country is in such a mess in only 2 1/2 years with Obama as President.”

    As if the country didn’t fall in the toilet before January 20, 2009.

    Conservatives lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie….

    Now next, Roncella will be singing “Laaand of the freeeee”……

  155. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, listen and learn, America, The Greatest Country on the Planet, without exception, I will repeat, The Greatest Country on the Planet ………

  156. KARDNOS says:

    “I’ve worked among enough erudite elitists to know what I’m talking about, at least a little.”

    “erudite elitists” would be somewhat redundant but for purposes of smear we are all aware of what sozo is attempting to say.

    I do find humor in someone that is supposedly “above the fray” who uses third person side of the mouth attacks, as opposed to direct confrontation.

    My temptation to use “erudide elitist” to describe sozo’s behavior is prevented by my knowledge that it has nothing to do with knowledgable and exceptional.

  157. KARDNOS says:

    Roncellla…make up your mind….I thought you said it was a mess.

  158. KARDNOS says:

    “..thats why the whole Country is in such a mess”

    “The Greatest Country on the Planet ”

    Spin, Roncella, Spin.

  159. KARDNOS says:

    Speaking of the Clinton Gore Bus tour….

    “After the convention, Clinton and Gore began a bus tour around the United States, while the Bush/Quayle campaign, began to criticize at Clinton’s character, highlighting accusations of infidelity and draft dodging.”

    Nothing ever changes, does it? Whose son got special treatment in the National Guard?

  160. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, Its not America thats a mess.

    Its the current President and his helpers who have made a mess of America’s economy in less than 2 years. The sad part is Obama and his advisors don’t have a clue on how to correct it.

    2012 is the time for a change in Washington D.C., to correct some serious problems facing The Greatest Country On The Planet.

    Lets all get ready and vote intelligently this time, to save all of our futures and our families futures.

  161. Roncella…..the mess started in September of 2008. The only one that doesn’t know that fact is YOU.

    Your party took control of the House in 2010 and what has change? Nothing.

    Your party presented a program to eventually eliminate Medicare and what happened? 80% of Americans told you NO!

    Good luck in 2012. You have no viable candidates and your “program for changing America” isn’t being accepted by the voters. You’ll be lucky to hold the house in 2012. Remember 1998?

    “The U.S. House elections in 1998 were part of the midterm elections held during President Bill Clinton’s second term. They were a major disappointment to the Republican Party, which was expecting to gain seats due to the embarrassment Clinton suffered during the Monica Lewinsky scandal, and the “six year itch” effect observed in most second-term midterm elections. Instead, the GOP lost five seats to the Democratic Party, but retained a narrow majority in the House. A wave of Republican discontent with Speaker Newt Gingrich prompted him to resign shortly after the election.”

    The sliming trick didn’t work then and it won’t work now.

  162. Perhaps a little time in the etymological dictionary is called for KARDNOS?

    erudite: from the Latin, eruditus; to educate. Characterized by learned or scholarly; educated.

    elite: from the French, elisre, “to choose” as in “the chosen or best part (in this context, those who presume to be chosen as masters of the plantation…folks like Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer and well, you know, “The Chosen One.”)

    Granted, those in academia view themselves as “the choice or best part” but the redundancy is not mine. I used both words because I’m actually a fan of education, something that once happened, long long ago at universities. Now it generally happens AFTER one graduates and encounters people who actually think things through thoroughly as opposed to simply shaping course material around party line propaganda.

    Perhaps you are familiar with Alexander Pope? Though maybe not. He’s the fellow who said that “a little learning is a dangerous thing.” Emphasis on the word “little.” I think of that saying a lot when I take the time to read your posts KARDNOS. You know just enough to be dangerous. I think of President Obama too.

    The most significant difference between Barack Obama and Sarah Palin is that the former can act; he should win an Oscar in fact. He covers his rear end like a brand new pair of pants. Palin is unashamedly transparent. She probably cannot win an election running against Obama and I’d really like to see him ousted, so I’m hoping for a better candidate though am excited about none.

    Hope this is direct enough for you KARD because I really do have more important things to do now.

  163. edrurdite – noun: educated person.

    Elite refers to an exceptional and/or privileged group that wields considerable power within its sphere of influence. Depending on the context, this power might be physical, spiritual, intellectual and/or financial.

    Now, neither of these is a negative, but the Conservative sidemouth talkers would like you to believe they are negatives…sort of like “liberal”.

    “Educated” speaks for itself.

    Would an NBA team want one of the “elite” players to lead their team or would they want someone who couldn’t make the cut?

    When it comes to leading our country, I’ll take the erudite elite any day.

    Funny you should quote a satirist from about 300 years ago when there was a huge canyon between the educated/privileged and the peasantry.

    Just the way Conservatives would like it today.

    Since you have more important things to do, I’ll guess you won’t be monitoring this thread. I will because I’m not working today and I’m enjoying relaxing in front of my computer. I’m kinda getting used to retirement…unless I get bored.

  164. “Palin is unashamedly transparent.”

    Thus her consumate victimization of herself????

    “What did you see today” is a “gotcha question”??????

    Oh gaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwddddd!!!!

  165. “The Chosen One”

    Gee…and who came up with that name?????

    Conservatives make up a name and then repeat it over and over and accuse the Progressives of endorsing it.

    False premise 101.

  166. In today’s heavy technology world, I wonder how well a person with “a little education” will get. It seems like those with education are those surviving.

  167. “Its the current President and his helpers who have made a mess of America’s economy in less than 2 years”

    That is not only wrong but an out right lie.
    How does a person close thier eyes to the real this way?

  168. LarryFine says:

    ROFLMAO !
    .
    Polago says:
    June 4, 2011 at 6:45 am
    Polago, you shouldn’t be afraid to take credit for your insight as I’m certain Roncella is proud to be called the Poster Child of Tacoma.

  169. LarryFine says:

    How can I possibly post at the same time ? Kooky…

  170. LarryFine says:

    Hey Ronc, you don’t really expect Eug to criticize weiner do you? He loves weiner.

  171. LarryFine says:

    … amazing ! and weird all at the same time…

  172. ” Palin is unashamedly transparent”

    You mean stupid, right?
    How do you defend palin with a streight face?
    Seriously, how do you do it? How can you be that partisan?

    You arrogance is only topped by your hypocrisy.

  173. My two cents worth. Thatcher will meet with Palin. Thatcher did not call Palin “nuts’, it was one of her soon to be ex-aides who did the name calling. Finally, there is a prolific poster on these boards that I will no longer mention by name, nor will I feed the beast.

  174. frosty….too late…you just did.

    LarryFine just posted four times in a row and one of the posts had an infantile “weiner joke”.

    Quick sozo…….chastise him (her)

  175. frosty, are you sure you didn’t mean two sense?

  176. Pol, remember that your mama warned you “you are known by the company you keep.”

    I don’t remember ever saying that to you, sozo. I remember saying that she said, “always tell the truth, just don’t always go around telling it.”

    I think the company you keep line is Roncella’s. But he doesn’t understand that it applies to him more than hatred for those to his left.

    Kardnos has the same right to post here as anyone else. That you and your friends choose to occupy your time talking about him is your choice. Kinda like Palin, don’t you think?

  177. While ‘erudite’ denotes ‘an educated person’ the connotation is one of impractical over education.

  178. I thought the Rpots were opposed to the erudite elite?

  179. Roncella says:

    Its Amazing how the very mention of the name Sarah Palin gets liberals and some dems.and some rino republicans, enraged and in a wild tizzy.

    Little Sarah Palin seems to have a very strong affect on the brains of liberals especially and many dems…

    Take Eugene Robinson for a good example of an out of control far left liberal columnist going out of control and calling Sarah Palin names referring to her version of the Paul Revere story which in reality Sarah Palin was absolutely correct in restating.

    Eugene Robinson call her some very nasty and mean and demeaning names,like, he called Sarah Palin Dangerous, Mad, on and on.

    He used his whole column to attack her description and version of Paul Revere’s ride through the villages and was incorrect in calling her version wrong.

    Talk about getting egg on your face, Eugene needs to apoligize to Sarah Palin.

    Should Sarah Palin annouce she is running for President in the 2012 elections cycle, Eugene Robinson will need to have his doctors increase his Meds. so he doesn’t have a complete brakedown covering Sarah Palins every move and statement.

  180. BTW sozo, How is it that I’m the one being accused of keeping company with Kardnos and you are not. Aren’t we all keeping company with him? You don’t seem to be avoiding him. In fact you seem to be the one who has him on your mind, not me.

    Although he and I may be closer politically, you spend more time with him than I do.

  181. Roncella says:

    Polago,KARDNOS, two peas in a pod, one in the same, in thinking and maybe more.

  182. Pits was right, Palin is wrong.

    Revere did not intend to warn the British.

    They already knew there would be trouble.

    There nighttime march was intended to reduce the risk.

  183. Roncella and frosty and truthbusterguy and sincere and tree_guy and Larry, peas in a pod, one in the same, in thinking and maybe more. Yabetchya!

  184. keep trying roncella, keep trying, someday, you may get it.

  185. No he won’t!

  186. I know but I had to throw the poor little fellow a bone.
    He has taken quite a beating the past few months along with all of the rightists and teahaddists.

  187. edrurdite? Really KARdNOS? I presume that you consider yourself AMONG the edrurdite? (I just hurt myself trying to pronounce it as per your use of it !! :0)) And here I was concerned about the quality of education in America.

    Hey Polago, I came back after working all afternoon and must say I’m surprised that you don’t see the difference between hanging with KARD as a cohort and challenging him. For the record though, I have essentially ignored the little fellow until today when I couldn’t resist taking a shot. Otherwise I’ve spent very little time with him.

    xring, your comment about connotation is curious, and IMO, totally off the mark. What on earth are you talking about?

  188. theglovesRoff says:

    WOW, the TNT has been busy today…..

    As far as posting at the same time, if you are logged in with your multiple “monikers’ using different web browsers, I am pretty sure you can post at the same time, right Publikard?

    Suck on that for a while… :-)

  189. Well, sozo, I could say the same thing about those on your side who you choose not to challenge which could be considered compliance, but I know better and give you credit for having some independent thought.

    Kardnos and I have rarely communicated except for this morning when you were involved. That’s not to say that I agree or disagree with his methods but it’s not my place to challenge his opinions. I leave that up to you and your companions.

    Do you agree with everything that Roncella, frosty, Parkland, truthbusterguy, sincere, tree_guy, Larry and the rest have to say and how they say it?

    I doubt it.

  190. Frosty,
    The complete quote was:
    “Lady Thatcher will not be seeing Sarah Palin. That would be belittling for Margaret. Sarah Palin is nuts.”

    So you be sure to let us all know when Maggie and Sarah meet.

    Sozo when was the last time you heard a Republicon use ‘erudite’ in a non-negative context.

  191. Wow, I think I’ve found my new guilty pleasure. Reading these comments has been really entertaining. Here’s my take. If you watch the Palin recitation on the ride of Paul Revere, it is painfully obvious that she is making it up as she goes and what she comes up with is not only revisionist, it is stupidly revisionist. Paul Revere didn’t ride to warn the British of anything. There were no bells a’ringin and no guns a’shootin. She was wrong and she should’ve just owned up to it. I think she’s an idiot. I also think Rep. Weiner is an idiot and neither one of them should be allowed anywhere near any kind of governmental office on any level.

  192. xring, I won’t need to let you know when Palin and Thatcher meet, it will be all over the news. I’ll wait until then for your apology. In the meantime, don’t get yourself all worked up over what Palin is doing, try concentrating on what your fellow liberals are up to. That’s enough to keep anyone busy for a while.

  193. LarryFine says:

    Polago says:
    June 4, 2011 at 6:45 am
    Polago, you shouldn’t be afraid to take credit for your insight as I’m certain …
    …..
    Just as funny as it was the first time… ;)

  194. I do not pretend to be unbiased Polago. I challenge Kardnos in part because I disagree with his world view most of the time, but mostly because I find him nauseatingly arrogant.

    In the event you are offended that I am not talking to you directly, KARDNOS, I find you nauseatingly arrogant.

    YOu wil notice Polago that there are many folks here with whom I disagree yet do not challenge. That’s because they do not come off as pompous asses. When someone does– AND they are saying what I deem to be thoughtless or stupid, in spite of efforts not to I sometimes. I break down and say something. I almost always regret it.

  195. KARDNOS says:

    sozo….did you consider that the feeling is mutual?

  196. What liberals and progressive are up to is saving the Country, defending the Constitution, and protecting the American People.

  197. sozo, you used to say those endearments about me. Have I lost my charm or am I just too old for you?

    Well, I guess you never called me “nauseatingly” arrogant, just “self-righteous and arrogant,” so I must not have been the one true one for you after all.

  198. yabetchya says:

    KARDNOS says:
    June 8, 2011 at 11:07 am
    “The Chosen One”

    Gee…and who came up with that name?????
    I believe Barry did……………………….

    “We are who we have been waiting for” BHO

  199. “thoughtless or stupid”

    I recognize those two. They received honorable mention in my last comment.

    “Do you agree with everything that Roncella, frosty, Parkland, truthbusterguy, sincere, tree_guy, Larry and the rest have to say and how they say it?”

    I’m just saying that if Kardnos was commenting from the Right, you would give him a pass, sozo, even a kudo from time to time.

  200. No, I would not, Polago. I don’t agree with conservative posters here MUCH of the time, and I interact with them when the spirit moves me. I do not “take them on” because they simply do not display the narcissistice puerility that KARDNOS does …continually! If you cannot see that this person is unique among the regulars here, you are not looking closely. There’s a difference between a itch you can’t scratch and a pain in the a$$.

    Normally, when a poster goes off the deep end at either end of the spectrum, I try to ignore it. I tried to ignore KARD for a long time, then broke.

    My thoughts about you tuddo are nothing like my thoughts about KARDNOS. I have engaged in dialogue with you, and yeah, sometimes you come off as arrogant, but then so do I.

  201. We all assume a tone in the writer’s words. The tone that you subconsciously apply to his comments bugs you. Maybe he reminds you of a former student who struck you the same way.

    If I were Ann Landers, I would recommend that you go back to ignoring his comments, for your own peace of mind.

    There are several here that I usually skip over.

  202. yabetchya, your reference to the phrase that Rush quoted to reinforce his term of “The Chosen One” and “Messiah” for Obama reveals that you are a cult follower of Fox. If you watched any other commentary, you would know what Obama was saying when he used it, because so many commentators have chimed in against Rush’s version..

    That phrase was an indictment by Obama of his listeners that they should not wait for some messiah, but should take matters into their own hands and become active in the political process just like the women of South African apartheid that the poet June Jordan, whom Obama quotes, did.

    Alice Waters used the phrase as a book title in 2007 before Obama’s campaign. She explains: “It was the poet June Jordan who wrote, ‘We are the ones we have been waiting for.’ Sweet Honey in the Rock turned it those words into a song. Hearing that song, I have witnessed thousands of people rise to their feet in joyful recognition and affirmation.” (Waters, The Ones We Have Been Waiting For, The New Press, 2007, p. 3).

    Jordan’s “Poem for South African Women,” which she presented at the United Nations on August 9, 1978 was in “commemoration of the 40,000 women and children who, August 9, 1956, presented themselves in bodily protest against the ‘dompass’ in the capital of apartheid.”

    It is just like the far right, Rush Limbaugh in particular, to try to use rhetoric like 1984’s “doublethink” to completely change the meaning of what was actually said.

    doublethink: “To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies”

  203. yabetchya says:

    tuddo says:
    June 10, 2011 at 8:55 am

    ………..reveals that you are a cult follower of Fox.

    No I am not.

  204. In all fairness, tuddo, the comments and behavior of media favorites such as Oprah Winfrey, who I believe made a messianic proclamation at the time Obama was elected, set the stage for –or certainly contributed to all the “Chosen One” cracks. Sadly, the president conducts himself in such a way that sometimes it’s hard NOT to think he buys the whole thing at some level.

  205. Agreed, Polago, about ignoring KARD, although tone is not assumed based only on the reader’s frame of reference. The guy comes off to many as a boor.
    IF he is evoking memories of an unpleasant student in my past, it’s good to remember that I was always put in charge of the kids nobody else wanted to teach.

  206. sozo, it is the far-right who keep using the term “Chosen One” and “Messiah” for Obama. I am not aware of any lefty using those terms.

    Limbaugh leaped on the “We are” quote as proof Obama was trying to set himself up as “The Messiah” and kept harping on that in many commentaries.

    Here is Oprah’s quote that Rush also misquotes by saying Oprah called him the “Chosen One”. Oprah may have chosen him, as did the majority of voters, but “Chosen One” is a totally different thing that only Rush and Fox kept alive.

    For the very first time in my life, I feel compelled to stand up and to speak out for the man who I believe has a new vision for America, . . . I am here to tell you, Iowa, he is the one. He is the one!”

    “We’re all here to come together – to appreciate our uniqueness and to treasure our diversity, and we’re here to evolve to a higher plane . . . The reason I love Barack Obama is because he is an evolved leader who can bring evolved leadership to our country”

    Oprah’s rhetoric must be taken in its political context, for it was at a political rally she said it. She did not proclaim him the “Chosen One”, nor did she speak in religious terms, but political ones to fire up a crowd. Over the top enthusiasm, perhaps, but hardly blasphemy.

    There are other hyperbolic and ridiculous quotes that preachers and some commenters (“tingle up my leg”‘ by Chris Matthews, for example) that showed the fervor and oftentimes over-adulation by some of his fans. On a website that tries to show that it was not the far right, but leftists who called him “The Messiah” or “The Chosen One”, not one quote uses those terms, only people quoting Fox commenters.

    The closest is a preacher in Chicago Bill Rush when Obama came out of nowhere to tromp his opponents, as presented by this far-right web site:

    “I would characterize the Senate race as being a race where Obama was, let’s say, blessed and highly favored,” Mr. Rush said, chuckling. “That’s not routine. There’s something else going on.”

    “I think that Obama, his election to the Senate, was divinely ordered,” Mr. Rush said, all other explanations failing. “I’m a preacher and a pastor; I know that that was God’s plan. Obama has certain qualities that — I think he is being used for some purpose. I really believe that.”

    That is like saying God ordered the destruction of New Orleans, both statements by preachers who truly believe in a God that takes direct control over earthly events. I think both statements tinge on blasphemy, personally, but that’s freedom of religion for you.

    I also think it telling that where some see “strong leader” when Obama takes control like other presidents have done and presents his positions in a forceful communication, others view Obama’s actions as his buying into the Fox mythology.

    I personally think it is Fox catering to their Southern white audience with the whole “black” thing. “Be afraid of the one whom a powerful black woman has annointed as “The Chosen One”, they seem to be saying.

  207. “You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn’t care anything about. That’s a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking.” –L. Farrakhan

    There’s that blasted Farrakhan-Wright-Obama connection trying to pop up again.

    While I appreciate the context of Oprah’s comments, tuddo, if you take the whole Oprah package from 2008 in its entirety, there is most definitely a “suggestion” that religion and politics have blended together in the persona of Barack Obama.

    Of COURSE his political opponents leapt on this, but I still say it would help if the president didn’t continually reinforce the image by carriage and commentary on TV.
    In controlled situations, he restrains himself most of the time, but I think he may actually HAVE a messianic complex.

  208. theglovesRoff says:

    Just like the speech Obama gave with the backdrop of a Greek temple.

    No messianic thoughts with that one.

    “He is the “one””

    Oprah

  209. sozo, you also have to realize that, in that speech, Farrakhan made sure to clarify that he meant the term “Messiah” to mean what Christians think it means, Jesus,( and Farrakhan doesn’t even believe in a “Messiah”) and he was not calling Obama the Messiah, but “the herald” of the Messiah.

    That might make Farrakhan think Obama was some sort of prophet, channeling Jesus, maybe, but, like I said before, some religious nuts like to place religion into all of our secular affairs. Anybody like to say “Herman Cain”?

    Farrakhan: “He” (still talking about Obama) “is not the Messiah for sure, but anytime he gives you a sign of uniting races, ethnic groups, ideologies, religions and makes people feel a sense of oneness, that’s not necessarily Satan’s work, that is, I believe, the work of God.”

  210. If you don’t know about my reference to Cain, the presidential candidate, he calls himself a “prophet” of God. He criticizes Obama routinely for being a Muslim and for leaving God out of his administration.

    At his announcement for President, Bishop Harry Jackson, influential Pentacostal preacher, said this:

    “Heavenly Father, we thank you that you have raised up Herman Cain for this day. That you have appointed him for this hour as a spokesperson and representative of your agenda and of the values that America has always held dear.

    And so out of the same passage, we pray for him and declare for Herman Cain: Arise! Shine! For thy light has come and the glory of the Lord has risen upon thee, Herman Cain.”

    Just more religious rhetoric. However, I bet you won’t hear Fox and the Fox culists deriding Cain for passing himself off as “The Prophet” or “The Appointed One” because he and a supporter called him those things.

  211. Not denying that those who oppose Obama and his agenda jumped on this image. tuddo, just saying that it was an image perpetrated by many from both sides. Not even denying that I’m biased. My personal perception of Barack Obama is that he is a cocky, somewhat angry, inexperienced idealogue whose oratorical skills launched his presidential career.

    Ironically, he and Sarah Palin have something in common– their appeal to certain segments of society. Each has limited experience (though she had more than he in executive office); each is physically “attractive” to certain groups of folks; has a following if you will. Each evokes a visceral response from those who DO NOT relate well to them. And each of them holds fast to their ideals and ideas pertaining the role of government in our society.

    For anyone who thinks that I personally am racist when it comes to President Obama, let me say that just as I thought Obama a poor choice for the presidential race, I also think Ms. Palin a poor choice.

    As for the preacher’s words about Cain, designating someone as a “representative and a spokesperson,” even prophet of God is quite different than suggesting that we are seeing the Messiah stand before us.

    And Farrakahn … I’m sure knew EXACTLY what he was doing.

    For the record, I have no problem with elected officials exercising their relilgious principles. It is folly to think that you can separate religion from politics. Regardless of where our morals training comes from…school, home, church…it WILL influence our thinking and decision making. This is not to suggest I am in favor of a theocracy. I am not. Just trying to be realistic.

  212. Please tell me who said that we are seeing the Messiah before us. No one, and that is what I proved. That is what is so devious about what Fox does, and you fall for it all the time.

  213. It is not a matter of a particular moment in time when someone portrayed Obama as messianic, tuddo, but a matter of an image that emerged over time as a result of a lot of commentary and visual reactions to him.

    This is what I set out to show you, and it is unfortunate that you have jumped on the blame Fox bandwagon to such a degree that it’s now sullied your abilitly to see some things for what they are.

    None of us are so bright that we are entirely objective. This includes you tuddo.
    And me.

  214. sozo, you have bought into the doublethink of Fox so much that you cannot see some things as they are, like how you blame Obama for what Fox does.

    That’s the genious of Fox. Tell a like or make a comment that is based on a lie, spread it around until gullible people believe it even in the face of the truth.

  215. As you wish, tuddo.

  216. NWflyfisher says:

    Returning to the original Ronald Petitte LTE (Robinson Should Criticize Weiner, Not Palin) I can only wonder whether “crotch shots” of him on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives will begin appearing now that self-portraits of him in the House Gym are making the news. It’s also now being reported his D.C. Staff is bailing on him by leaving their positions in anticipation of his resignation. Considering the humiliation and embarrassment his wife Huma Abedin must be experiencing, I doubt Hillary Clinton will allow her long time personal assistant and now Deputy Chief of Staff to experience any additional pain from him.

    At the same time Weiner’s icarian self-destruction is playing out in public, the salivating media in their witch-hunt over Sarah Palin’s emails while Governor of AK, having exposed nothing, is backfiring on them. Should she decide to run for office, she will have become the most vetted candidate in history and could probably include all the media scrutiny to her advantage.

    As Noah Webster once said, “In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate — look to his character….”

  217. Roncella says:

    NWflyfisher, The left/liberals/dems fear Little Sarah Palin. There can be no other explanation as to their relentless attacks on everything she says and does, including attacking her family members.

    If only the Lame Stream Media would have been as agressive with searching Obama’s background, while he ran for the Presidency.

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