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CLIMATE: Don’t blame disasters on climate change

Letter by Charles Overturf, Tenino on May 25, 2011 at 1:37 pm with 142 Comments »
May 25, 2011 1:37 pm

Re: “Don’t you dare connect disaster to climate change” (TNT, 5-25).

There have been many disasters worse than the ones so far this year. And as far as records, let us not forget the “year without summer” in 1816. In that year the crops failed and there was starvation throughout the Western Hemisphere.

I think in this modern age we are in, where news on the second is available to all, we get a bit carried away with just how bad things are.

Do not get me wrong; bad things have happened this year and sadly resulted in loss of many lives. But to insinuate it is any worse than previous years shows a lack of the facts. I do believe in climate change, but I think man plays little if any significant role in this change.

 

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  1. Publico says:

    Charles, have you looked at the data for yourself or do you simply rely on FOX or some other source divorced from science?

  2. Let the rightwing lies and misinformation begin.

  3. Roncella says:

    Charles, The leftest/liberals will go on the attack, but your short but truthful letter describes whats happening honestly.

    I remember winters when I was very young in the mid-west being long and extremely cold, befow zero for days at a time with strong winds. I remember trucks going around in the morning picking up dead dogs and cats that froze during the night.

    Presently mid-west winters are very cold and last winter was very cold but not near as cold at they were 60 years ago in the central part of the Country.

  4. truthbusterguy says:

    This story will go away in a few days because the mid west folks will clean up and rebuild at light speed, support and help one another and do all of this without looting the stores.

    The leftist don’t like this because their friends in New Orleans are still sitting on the curb waiting for someone to come and do it for them and bring them a new pair of Nikes.

    They will blame global warming for everything. They like their leader Al “goofy gore” have lost all creditability on the issue.

  5. SadujTogracse says:

    A common sense letter. Of course the lefty’s will be up in arms and mischaracterize Charles as an extremist. You see they can’t deal with logic and common sense.

  6. SadujTogracse says:

    “Charles, have you looked at the data for yourself or do you simply rely on FOX or some other source divorced from science?”

    What source would you prefer, MSNBC? Yeah what a great network when an “intellectual giant” like Ed Schultz calls someone a right-wing sl*&. People like Kardnos idolize the guy, but he’s nothing but a two bit thug. What a strong and courageous man, calling a woman a name, how impressive. MSNBC should have kicked him off the air for good if they had an ounce of credibility.

  7. Good letter Charles. Short, sweet and to the point.

  8. Charles for Governor.

  9. The right wing rejects science and logic, so why should we listen to their lectures on why science is wrong, and what is or is not logical.

  10. Publico says:

    It’s so easy. The deniers proved my point with ease and they don’t even know it.

  11. The libs demand consensus when it comes to science. By the way, Intelligent Design is real.

  12. Publico says:

    “ItalianSpring says:
    May 25, 2011 at 8:29 pm
    The libs demand consensus when it comes to science. By the way, Intelligent Design is real.”

    OMG that was perfect. Intelligent Design belief and a global warming/climate change denier all rolled into one. Perfect!
    No wonder we cannot get anything done that requires a modest level of intelligence.

  13. xring ( all dem guys is like all dose guys…evry’ single one of ‘em) overextends-

    “The right wing rejects science and logic”

    Science lesson for xring- CO1 is carbon monoxide emitted from your car’s exhaust system…rather poisonous.

    CO2 is carbon dioxide exhaled from air breathing creatures and used by flora in the photosynthesis process, along with sunlight, mineral and H2O chemical recombination cycling which returns O2 back into the atmosphere, a mutual syntax.
    Over 90 % of CO2 is derived from our oceans primarily due to algae photosynthesis.
    Regarding the “melting ice berg, drowning polar bear, rising sea level” scare,
    try this easy little experiment tonight :
    fill a glass full to the top with ice,
    fill the remainder of the glass to the brim, but not over the rim, with cold water,
    set the glass on a dry towel,
    leave a light shining on the glass (amplify ambient heat),
    note that by the following morning that the towel will be dry, the water level will be less than it was the previous night and the ice will be melted.
    Why?
    Basic Science: Ice has greater mass/volume than its liquid counterpart.

    This probably explains why Gore got a “D” and not an “F” in his Harvard science class, which also explains why he (among many other elitists) own phenomenal beachfront property while frightening the money and votes out of your schoolchildren.
    I just don’t have enough Faith to be an atheist, it’s so unscientific…

    Sorry, but I just don’t have enough faith to be an atheist either

  14. pazzo242 says:

    I think we should refer back to Rev. Camping–maybe he was on to something, then again maybe not…..”the sky is falling, the sky is falling!!”

  15. redneckbuck says:

    We have no idea what the Earth’s true temp will be. We are still exiting an ice age!!!! Of course we are warming. Volcanic eruptions have a far great effect on climate change than humans will ever have. Mt. Saint Helens alone put forth more polution into the air than all of mankind’s history.

  16. KARDNOS says:

    “SadujTogracse says:
    May 25, 2011 at 4:57 pm
    “Charles, have you looked at the data for yourself or do you simply rely on FOX or some other source divorced from science?”

    What source would you prefer, MSNBC? Yeah what a great network when an “intellectual giant” like Ed Schultz calls someone a right-wing sl*&. People like Kardnos idolize the guy, but he’s nothing but a two bit thug. What a strong and courageous man, calling a woman a name, how impressive. MSNBC should have kicked him off the air for good if they had an ounce of credibility.”

    A Chris Christie support speaks…..LOL

    April 08, 1998|TONY PERRY | TIMES STAFF WRITER
    President Clinton suddenly came in for some knocks Tuesday in the GOP fight for the U.S. Senate nomination, with political newcomer and apparent front-runner Darrell Issa referring to him as a “slut.”

    So…I guess it’s OK for a Congressman to call the President a slut…..but if someone calls Laura Ingram a slut, well that is just over and above….LOL

    So much for that free speech stuff that is in the Constitution. With Schultz’s suspension, you can see the Comcast ownership of MSNBC seeping in and taking over.

    If Ingram is not a slut, let her prove it in civil court and sue Schultz. It would be a great case to watch play out, considering all the tape – audio and video – on Ingram.

    I can’t wait for the next time a Right Wingie waves the flag and their Glenn Beck pocket constitution in the air……

  17. KARDNOS says:

    “just don’t have enough Faith to be an atheist, it’s so unscientific…

    Sorry, but I just don’t have enough faith to be an atheist either”

    lars goes out of his way to use a punchline twice within a comment, redundanty at that.

    Both times the humor fails.

    I’m sorry, but I can’t take anyone seriously that believes a great fairy in the sky is the ultimate puppetmaster of the Universe. Excuse me for seeking facts as opposed to “beliefs”.

    A true Conservative would not rule out the possibility of man made global warming. A true Conservative considers all possibilities.

  18. KARDNOS says:

    Speaking of two-bit thugs….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJjNVVwRCY

    Did he just say “teleprompter”?????

    This was back in the days when Bill had hair and he was using a teleprompter?

    I thought Obama invented those.

  19. KARDNOS says:

    “Bill O’Reilly may proclaim at the beginning of his program that viewers are entering the “No Spin Zone,” but a new study by Indiana University media researchers found that the Fox News personality consistently paints certain people and groups as villains and others as victims to present the world, as he sees it, through political rhetoric.

    The IU researchers found that O’Reilly called a person or a group a derogatory name once every 6.8 seconds, on average, or nearly nine times every minute during the editorials that open his program each night.

    “It’s obvious he’s very big into calling people names, and he’s very big into glittering generalities,” said Mike Conway, assistant professor in the IU School of Journalism. “He’s not very subtle. He’s going to call people names, or he’s going to paint something in a positive way, often without any real evidence to support that viewpoint.”

    like shooting fish in a barrel. Throw him off the air, I say….LMAO!!!!!

  20. KARDNOS says:

    When you look up “slut” in the dictionary, you find “slovenly”:

    slov·en·ly   /ˈslʌvənli/ Show Spelled
    [sluhv-uhn-lee] Show IPA
    adjective, -li·er, -li·est, adverb
    –adjective
    1. untidy or unclean in appearance or habits.
    2. characteristic of a sloven; slipshod: slovenly work.

    considering the number of times Ingram has been debunked on her right wing assertions Schultz maybe have been 100% accurate.

    Just google “Laura Ingraham debunked” for multiple proofs

  21. sue1234 says:

    Republicans cant understand any concept that is complex. Charles and the others prove that.

  22. xx98411 says:

    Ed Shultz had to apologize and is suspended from his own show for an indefinate period of time…
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43176194#43176194

    “This is the lowest of the low for me”

    Now, that is at least one facutal statment from Ed Shultz.

  23. Roncella says:

    Sue1234, Here’ s a News Flash For You !!

    The Weather will get colder and then it will get warmer. Repeat….

    The Rain fall will increase and the rain fall will decrease…Repeat…

    The winds will get stronger and then get weaker…Repeat…

    Hurricanes will increase and Hurricanes will decrease..Repeat..

    Tornados will increase and Tornadors will decrease, Repeat….

    Earthquakes will increase and Earthquakes will decrease, Repeat…

    Extremely Hot Summers will get hotter and then get cooler, Repeat..

    Extremely Cold winters will get Colder and then get warmer, Repeat.

    Amen.

  24. Thank you for a good letter. All those blowing smoke will continue to do so, attempting to create a crisis that the government can “fix.”

  25. The right wing rejects science in favor of esoteric revelations. Constant and Continuous.

    One does not have to be an atheist to believe in science.

    The origin of science was attemps by religious people to know God better by knowing His creations better.

  26. scooter6139 says:

    Global Warming/Climate Change is an easy one for me. I would rather be safe than sorry and try to do something about it rather than do nothing and contend with a potential disaster that may threaten human habitation on this planet.

    You don’t have to believe in the absolute to prepare, you just have to believe in the possibility. It’s kind of like insurance on anything: do you get it on the belief that something will happen or on the premise that something might happen?

    As I said, I would rather be safe than sorry.

  27. aislander says:

    When days are cool and calm, notice the changers insist on maintaining a bright line between “climate” and “weather,” but when things are unsettled on a particular day, well, THAT’S climate change…

  28. aislander says:

    scooter6139 says he “rather be safe than sorry.” That is your privilege, but that seems to mean that you’re not really certain about the reality and cause of climate change. Being “safe” in that way makes sense if you are talking about, say, locking your doors or rolling up your car’s windows. Those are sensible precautions to possible threats, but the main thing about them is that they cost nothing to implement. What if your precautions cost you your job and drive energy prices so high that you can no longer afford to heat and cool your house, drive your car, or even buy food? That’s what you’re talking about. STILL rather be “safe than sorry?”

  29. Scooter 6139, Let me know how your efforts to change the weather go. (We’ll be watching.)

  30. What short memories, Rush and John McCain both made rude comments about Chelsea Clinton, I guess they must be punks too. Neither apologized.

  31. Roncella says:

    Theo, don’t know what your referring to but I do know that no one’s family got sliced and diced with cruel attacks more, than did President Bushes two daughters, and Sarah Palins whole family.

  32. Roncella says:
    May 26, 2011 at 11:19 am
    Theo, don’t know what your referring to but I do know that no one’s family got sliced and diced with cruel attacks more, than did President Bushes two daughters, and Sarah Palins whole family.”

    I’d laugh if Roncella’s ignorance wasn’t so sad.

    The Clinton’s have been abused (remember John McCain’s comment about Chelsea?) far worse than the Bush family (most people like Laura and the girls created their own challenges).

    As to Palin, well, you reap what you sow. Don’t take a pregnant teen on your roadshow and expect no one to say anything. Having her infant slung around like a sack of potatoes didn’t help either.

  33. “xx98411 says:
    May 26, 2011 at 8:42 am
    Ed Shultz had to apologize and is suspended from his own show for an indefinate period of time…
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43176194#43176194

    “This is the lowest of the low for me”

    Now, that is at least one facutal statment from Ed Shultz.”

    We are still waiting for Darryl Issa to apologize for calling Clinton a slut in 1998. You know Issa – the Congressman who is in charge of deciding who has violated what rule……

  34. aislander says:

    I seem to recall someone’s pontificating about the misuse of apostrophes (not necessary for plurals), but never mind that. If my math is correct, Chelsea Clinton was a twenty-seven-year-old woman in ’08, and an active participant in the political process. If you can’t stand the heat…As for Rush’s dog comparison, it was reprehensible if done with malice aforethought, but he insists it was an editing mistake. Whatever…

    Finally, referring to a baby as being like a “sack of potatoes” certainly shines a light on the left’s infatuation with abortion: it’s no big deal if you’re only making French fries…

  35. The author states that, “Do not get me wrong; bad things have happened this year and sadly resulted in a loss of many lives. But to insinuate it is any worse than previous years shows a lack of facts.”

    I’m comforted that the right-wing claims that the destructive weather is only part of the earth’s normal heating-cooling cycle because so many Christians have been claiming that he destrucitve weather is an indication we are in the end times.

    We now have a consensus from Christians, from casual observers, from climatoligists, and from the right-wing all agreeing that the weather is become more violent and destructive, but each group claims that they alone, know the cause.

    Mankind is nuts.

  36. Uh….aislander……the comments about Chelsea was when she was a teen.

    You Cons really have selective memory, don’t you?

    “Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.”

    — Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June 1998.

    Now moving on to your next manipulation –

    “Finally, referring to a baby as being like a “sack of potatoes” certainly shines a light on the left’s infatuation with abortion: it’s no big deal if you’re only making French fries…”
    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/05/25/climate-change/#ixzz1NUCakxB9

    To extract “abortion” from a common phrase with a negative connotation as to how a child is being held, is about as low as you can go, but I’ll give you every opportunity to go lower.

    I can’t tell you the number of women of both Conservative and Liberal persuasion that have commented on Palin’s activities with her infant child. The classic was when the 8 year old was barely able to hold Trig, but mom couldn’t be bothered because she was putting on the dog and pony show.

  37. aislander: Rush Limbaugh made fun of Chelsea Clinton when she was a teenager in the White house. When she was 13 years old and in the White House Limbaugh raised a picture of Chelsea after asking his audience if they knew there was a White House dog. He jokingly claimed Janet Reno was her mother. And there were others.

  38. SadujTogracse says:

    Difference is I didn’t defend Rush for his comments, in fact I spoke out against them. Kardnos IS DEFENDING Mr. Ed’s comments, trying to justify it by twisting the meaning of the word like I knew he would. Mr. Ed isn’t any better, picking on a lady, ohhhh how tough! I tuned in to watch his fake apology last night and laughed all the way through! What a disgusting person.

  39. SadujTogracse says:

    Have you ever noticed how the left CONSTANTLY try to justify things by going way back in the past? Obama invited common, but Bush invited some other guy! Mr Ed made a sick statement about Laura, but Rush did too! That’s all they have is “but they did it”. Like a bunch of 5 year olds.

  40. and then there was the truth about Rush Limbaugh…

    On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, “Did you know there’s a White House dog?” Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.
    When viewers objected, he claimed, in typical Limbaugh fashion, that the gag was an accident and that without his permission some technician had put up the picture of Chelsea–which I found as disgusting as his original attempt at humor.

  41. SadujTogracse says:

    “A true Conservative would…”

    Kardnos telling us what a true conservative would do is like Charles Manson giving a lecture on good mental health.

  42. SadujTogracse says:

    Rush was wrong Kardnos, how come you can’t say the same about your hero Mr Ed?

  43. Let’s be honest…..something that saduj finds impossible……

    Saduj’s issue has nothing to do with what is right or wrong…..it has to do with me. Now that we’ve put that behind us….

    What is the difference between Laura Ingraham and Bill Clinton being called a “slut”? If you are seeking rhetorical differences, that has been addressed with a dictionary definition. Unfortunately, the dictionary still is the authority on definitions of words. Frankly, I’m not sure if “slut” is appropriate for a male.

    “slut   /slʌt/ Show Spelled
    [sluht] Show IPA

    –noun
    1. a dirty, slovenly woman.
    2. an immoral or dissolute woman; prostitute.”

    This is but one more in a long list of ::::::::horrified Conservative look:::::: “did you hear what yadda yadda yadda?”…..All the while ignoring their heroes foibles.

  44. SadujTogracse says:

    Well since you post 10 times than anyone else in here, you seem to want everything to be about you. Now once again, Rush was wrong how come you can’t say the same about Mr Ed? Real simple question there Kardnos.

  45. “Left-leaning Ed Schultz has been suspended from msnbc cable television for referring to radio talk show host Laura Ingraham as a “right-wing slut” and “talk slut” on his syndicated radio show Tuesday.”

    First, Schultz has admitted fault, so that’s all that matters.

    As to my opinion, the terminology, although crass, could be accurate in context. Based on the dictionary definition, if Ingraham “prostitutes her show” (no sex required) as a vessel for the Right Wing message machine, the statement could be technically right.

    As to Saduj’s assertion of outrage at Limbaugh’s comment in 1998….well….this isn’t 1998 now, is it? We’ll just have to ::::coughtakesadujswordcough:::::::

  46. saduj….you need a hobby other than me…..

    have you considered trying to catch your left thumb with your left hand?

  47. Aislander – “If my math is correct, Chelsea Clinton was a twenty-seven-year-old woman in ’08, and an active participant in the political process. If you can’t stand the heat…”

    Kardnos – I’d say Ingraham is over 28 (way over) and is an active participant in the political process….if she can’t stand the heat…….

    Does it work that way, aislander????????

  48. “SadujTogracse says:
    May 26, 2011 at 12:02 pm
    Difference is I didn’t defend Rush for his comments, in fact I spoke out against them.”

    The convenience of 11 year 20/20 hindsight.

    Yeah…and in 1998 I said that Bill Clinton had no business with that young woman…..I also said lots of other stuff that I can come up with on a moment’s notice that you can’t prove I didn’t say in 1998……LOL

  49. SadujTogracse says:

    I can’t prove what I said 11 years ago, but what I am doing is saying Rush was wrong now. You can’t say the same about Mr. Ed.

    “saduj….you need a hobby other than me…..”

    You’re not a hobby, more like a funny diversion. I mean someone can’t really be that wrong, that ignorant, and that blind can they? I guess they can as Kardnos proves to all of us on a daily basis (actually more like a minute by minute basis!)

  50. aislander says:

    It seems that snails, past and present (but not reversed), mistake prolixity for profundity…

  51. aislander says:

    Saying that someone is a slut is a judgment regarding behavior, while calling someone ugly is a judgment regarding condition. Certainly it is a cheap shot to call unflattering attention to someone’s appearance, and I don’t condone it, but the question has to be asked: which is worse, to make an accusation regarding behavior when there is absolutely NO evidence of that behavior, or to make an observation about a subjective area such as beauty or the lack thereof. It is possible to do the latter without particular malice, but certainly not the former…

  52. aislander says:

    …as for KARD whining about cheap shots; well, thanks for the laugh…

  53. Publico says:

    Looks as though the thread got hijacked again.
    I like, “Global warming denial is a worldwide delusion spread by the scientifically illiterate on the scientifically underinformed, fueled by a million web pages that predict that nothing unusual is happening.”

    It is becoming a matter of not seeing the forest for all the trees. Do weather events add up over time to indicate that the climate is changing? Of course.

  54. I thought I’d sign in today to remind myself why I don’t visit this site anymore..the same group of people who think they know everything there is to know..

    It’s what I’d imagine an AARP luncheon would sound like..the topic of global warming gets started, then you hear people saying that it was cold somewhere when they grew up that is normally hot, and vice-versa. Then Al Gore is mentioned, and that inevitably leads to people mentioning Clinton, then Fox News, then the immediate MSNBC rebuttal. Then people go back and forth praising the letter writer for speaking the “truth”, as they see it, as that somehow strengthens their argument. The letter writer is praised for being bold and concise; telling it “how it is”.
    So more stories are told, on why global warming is a fraud, and how the lefties are laughing it up somewhere..and someone has to make the claim that Al Gore invented it to make profits off his movie (and of course the fact he uses fossil fuels is mentioned, with chuckles and sneers like it means anything).
    So everyone becomes a scientist because they’ve read an article somewhere; everyone’s an expert. If it’s snowing somewhere that’s usually hot, or hot where it’s usually cold, that becomes proof one way or the other.

    And the same people that spew the same nonsense on TNT boards continue to do so, and the rotation and cycle continues. No one will be swayed one way or the other, because their mind is set in stone. Stubbornness seems to be a virtue nowadays, eh?

    So people ignore what’s really happening in the world, and continue to debate the dribble posted on both sides.

    The arguments have no basis in reality half the time; the other half is the absurd ‘I know what you are but what am I” rationale.

    So while I don’t claim to be any better than anyone else here, past or present, I will say that I have made attempts in the past to have logical and rational debates. I was met with stubbornness to the highest degree, which I see still prospers here, like some kind of lichen or algae that has its own basic needs.

  55. larsman says:

    Scooter attempts to create his new insurance company with –

    “Global Warming/Climate Change is an easy one for me. I would rather be safe than sorry and try to do something about it rather than do nothing and contend with a potential disaster that may threaten human habitation on this planet.”

    Scooter’s assumption is that cyclical climate fluctuation is anthropomorphic, and therefore can be altered or abated by little “man”.
    Put many “little men” together and we get the U.N., which has ulterior, unstated goals conveniently wrapped and ready for consumption by the huddled masses. Carbon dioxide….children, meet the new boogie man.
    Lions and tigers and bears.. and CO2.. OH MY!

  56. As always the far right extermists here offer nothing but the standard right wing lies, BS, misinformation, as I predicted.
    They are also offering nothing but the standard personal attacks as witnessed by the posts right above this one.

    At least you can say that about the rightists, they are nothing if not predictable.

  57. KARDNOS says:

    xtp855 – just take a quick look back to see who strayed the thread off the topic.

    It’s a daily event.

  58. KARDNOS says:

    HEY……aislander….I notice that you passed on answering my direct question:

    KARDNOS says:
    May 26, 2011 at 12:23 pm
    Aislander – “If my math is correct, Chelsea Clinton was a twenty-seven-year-old woman in ’08, and an active participant in the political process. If you can’t stand the heat…”

    Kardnos – I’d say Ingraham is over 28 (way over) and is an active participant in the political process….if she can’t stand the heat…….

    Does it work that way, aislander????????”

    I guess when you’re wrong you just change attack and head in a new direction.

  59. KARDNOS says:

    “Roncella says:
    May 26, 2011 at 12:47 pm
    your alot of hot air. ”

    My WHAT??????????

  60. KARDNOS says:

    For those wondering….here is where the forum went off topic:

    SadujTogracse says:
    May 25, 2011 at 4:57 pm
    “Charles, have you looked at the data for yourself or do you simply rely on FOX or some other source divorced from science?”

    What source would you prefer, MSNBC? Yeah what a great network when an “intellectual giant” like Ed Schultz calls someone a right-wing sl*&. People like Kardnos idolize the guy, but he’s nothing but a two bit thug. What a strong and courageous man, calling a woman a name, how impressive. MSNBC should have kicked him off the air for good if they had an ounce of credibility.”

    Now, of course, Saduj isn’t obsessed with me, but I had not posted on the thread and still my name ends up in Saduj’s comment.

  61. KARDNOS says:

    We’re having so much fun with namecalling that I just can’t quit posting the examples:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy96NaAu6lE

    O’Reilly doesn’t agree with a woman about innocent Iraqis dying so he calls her a lunatic.

  62. KARDNOS says:

    lars…..God made the weather….right?

  63. Ithappened2me2 says:

    Glad you found bold again……

    Makes you that much more important

    :-)

  64. aislander says:

    The question has to be asked: which is worse, to make an accusation regarding behavior when there is absolutely NO evidence of that behavior, or to make an observation about a subjective area such as beauty or the lack thereof? It is possible to do the latter without particular malice, but certainly not the former…

  65. Ithappened2me2 says:

    Oh, I think it went off topic when YOU showed up.

  66. Ithappened2me2 says:

    WOW, the nannies were quick with that removal……….

    Makes you go Hmmmm

  67. aislander says: “It seems that snails, past and present (but not reversed), mistake prolixity for profundity…”

    Substitute pedantry for prolixity and palook in the mirror.

  68. SadujTogracse says:

    “but I had not posted on the thread and still my name ends up in Saduj’s comment.”

    LMAO, now it’s my fault that you responded to my post? My post was not off topic, I was responding to the earlier post about FOX news. Then YOU responded and got it off topic, as usual. You’re a grown up now Kardnos (well maybe not mentally but at least in age) you don’t have to respond to anything if you don’t want to.

  69. KARDNOS says:

    Yeah…..Ed Schultz’ comment was all about climate change……. Right on target with the thread.

    I didn’t say it was your fault I responded. I said you brought me up when I hadn’t even commented on the thread.

    Obsession.

    And

    Reading challenges

    You even copied and pasted my statement and still tried to misconstrue it.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…..

  70. KARDNOS says:

    And then there is the conspiracy against Cousin It by the Trib moderators…..

    :::::::gag reflex:::::::::

  71. KARDNOS says:

    The question has to be asked, aislander…..

    Why do you keep avoiding my question about your assertion on Chelsea Clinton?

  72. KARDNOS says:

    The contest is…..FIND CLIMATE CHANGE in this post:

    Yeah what a great network when an “intellectual giant” like Ed Schultz calls someone a right-wing sl*&. People like Kardnos idolize the guy, but he’s nothing but a two bit thug. What a strong and courageous man, calling a woman a name, how impressive. MSNBC should have kicked him off the air for good if they had an ounce of credibility.”

  73. KARDNOS says:

    A little Desktop Publishing 101 for the children….

    “One way to grab attention in a sea of words is to set some text in bold fonts. It is heavier, darker than regular type. Bold fonts are used for emphasis to make certain words and phrases stand out from surrounding text.”

    Thus, if you want to differentiate between a copy/paste and your comment, use of bold faced type is an excellent means. Italics will work as well.

  74. Ithappened2me2 says:

    Thank you O’ learned one, snail.

    And I thought you were the one that said you abided by all the posting rules, like not attacking people and calling them names?

    To counter your eminent attack, I never said I did.

  75. SadujTogracse says:

    When bold font is used frequently it is because the person believes what they have to say is more important than everyone else’s words. Of course those people almost always are the least educated and ignorant of the topic they are discussing. Exhibit A is Kardnos.

  76. Ithappened2me2 says:

    Ithappened2me2 says:
    MAY 26, 2011 AT 4:57 PM
    Oh, I think it went off topic when YOU showed up.

    Did you not see my use of Bold Typeface in my prior post?????

  77. KARDNOS says:

    “SadujTogracse says:
    May 26, 2011 at 6:11 pm
    When bold font is used frequently it is because the person believes what they have to say is more important than everyone else’s words.”

    ::::::::gag reflex:::::::

    Someone spends too much time inside their own brain.

    Thanks, but I’ll take the Desktop Publishing version.

  78. KARDNOS says:

    When believers, regardless of who they are, avoid science in lieu of belief, they lose my attention.

    Obama or anyone else.

    Next question for your online profile of Kardnos?

  79. KARDNOS says:

    Cousin It – didn’t you perform a “good bye cruel forum” on another thread?

    Just can’t stay away, huh?

  80. KARDNOS says:

    “Ithappened2me2 says:
    May 26, 2011 at 6:04 pm
    Thank you O’ learned one, snail.”

    No sweat. Aside from working with graphic design since 1972, I just googled “bold faced type” and……poof!!! Instant information.

    I think this internets thingy is here to stay!!!!!

  81. Ithappened2me2 says:

    “from another thread”

    My vision of the KARD is a 4″9″ man living in his mother’s basement with sand kicked all over his face.

  82. Lars,

    Ice has less mass/volume than water, which is why ICE FLOTS.
    The lowered water level in glass was due to:

    1. When the ice melted the volume of the released water was less than the volume of the ice.

    And

    2. Water evaporates (becomes one with the air) at room temperature.
    The towel is dry because of reason 2

  83. SadujTogracse says:

    I googled that and got Ed Schultz’s picture. Oh wait that was “bold faced liar”, my bad!

  84. KARDNOS says:

    Saduj looks like Ed Schultz?

  85. KARDNOS says:

    Cousin It clarified this was about the hard copy version….

    “Ithappened2me2 says:
    May 24, 2011 at 8:29 pm
    Nice to see some comments deleted, but other’s re not.

    The same old same old.

    Got my new bill from the TNT, and I am finally going to cancel. I just hope I can get by the Indian call center to cancel the subscription.” (itals to make you feel impotant)

    Now I’m wondering what kind of fool lives on the online version and subscribes to the hard copy…..

    of course….you’ll show them….no more $10 a month from you!!! You’ll just provide about 50 hits a day for their online advertising rates…..

    :::::hooked finger in mouth sign:::::::::

    FISH ON!!!!

    I wonder why they show up daily to complain about the “conspiracy”…..

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/05/23/strange-weather-why/#ixzz1NVx8Bksl

  86. KARDNOS says:

    xring…..ice floats because God told it to float.

  87. KARDNOS says:

    It – that joke was stupid on the other thread also.

    So close to Memorial Day and all…..reminds me that my mother is dead.

    Your comedy career is sinking faster than a road apple in the punchbowl.

  88. Ithappened2me2 says:

    Just remember, I got my I on you……………….

  89. KARDNOS says:

    eeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww

  90. aislander says:

    xring: Ice isn’t the ONLY thing that floats…

  91. LarryFine says:

    Funny how the chiken little neosocpuppets on one hand are all jiggy with the algore globalwarmingclimatechange b.s. scaretactics and then turn around and complain about neocons trying to scare people… sorta like their peeps denigrating and calling women deragatory names they disagree with (Letterman’s little pedophile joke comes to mind) and then turning around and calling people racists (along with a host of other labels) merely for disagreeing with one of their people… kooky, I know.

  92. KARDNOS says:

    Oh geeeeeeeeeeeez….the “Letterman/Palin” crap again…..

    OK….slowly for the limted readers….

    Letterman was joking about the Palin daughter that was put on display as an unwed mother by her……uh…..mother

    Now do deal with ::::coughlarryfinescough:::::: other yadda yadda…..

    The champion namecaller is the God of the Right Wing Media – Bill O’Reilly

    If “slut” is so terrible, where was LarryFine when someone called the President of the United States a slut?

    Speaking of being called names….
    “Obumba….Obamba…..Obomba….boy….manchild…..punk….Odumbo….et. al…”

    Or is the only protected species a Right Wing Woman that Shills for the GOP?

    Oh…and speaking of Right Wing Women that Shill for the GOP……

    ““I’ve never seen people enjoying their husbands’ deaths so much.”
    – – – – – – – – – – – – -AnnOfThe OneBlackCocktailDress

    Of course, there has been substantial questioning on the “woman” part……

  93. KARDNOS says:

    Is “algore” defined as the inability to recognize the difference between “your” and “you’re”?

  94. LarryFine says:

    … the excuses continue… as usual and expected.

  95. KARDNOS says:

    The Right Wing Sound Machine isn’t fond of facts. They relish in half-truths, no-truths and miscontrued statements.

  96. KARDNOS says:

    Here’s more of what they don’t want you to know….

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43176194#43176194

    Shultz called Ingraham a slut on his radio show – which belongs to him, not MSNBC. Because of the possible inflection directed at MSNBC (which we’ve seen on this thread already), Schultz VOLUNTARILY took himself off the air. He also removed himself from his radio show, which he owns. As the video stipulates, he apologized and as news sources reported, Ingraham accepted. It would appear that the two parties involved have solved their problem.

    This is where it gets sticky for the CONs. Their media heroes who have committed similar acts never apologize. They always seek a place to hide behind their minions who will defend them to the end.

    Is “slut” an appropriate word? Ask Congressman Darryl Issa, Chairman of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. He had no problem using it when seeking office in 1998.

    Did Karl Rove apologize to John McCain and his family for intimating that McCain had fathered a child out of wedlock, for purposes of a push poll in Georgia for Bush 2000?

    The list goes on.

    As usual, this is the feigned outrage at which the Right Wing is accomplished.

  97. aislander says:

    cirrus: Good one! I like to have little fun with words–sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. But, when someone who wallpapers the forum with endless loooong posts corrects the usage of other members while committing his own howlers…well, he needs to be sent up a little. As for being pedantic, I NEVER correct the usage of other members unless those members make themselves targets by correcting others. If you put yourself in the position of being the arbiter of good English, you’d better damn well be perfect in that regard…

  98. sue1234 says:

    Kardnos, I love the way you get the gopcult members all riled up. Gopcult members can not discuss any complex issue because of a fundamental lack of core knowledge. They always go non linear … i reference the gopcult member’s post in this thread.

    You know someone is ideologically driven when they can not expand or explain their comments. You just have to BELIEVE the ideology NOT understand it. The gopcult contributors to this forum prove this to be true everyday.

  99. aislander says:

    xtp…is that you?

  100. LarryFine says:

    sue1234 says:
    May 27, 2011 at 8:06 am
    Kardnos, I love the way you get…

    ………
    Toyotaman84 wrote on 12/18/2009 06:34:57 PM:
    I like what Tman said to you previously…

    Toyotaman84 wrote on 12/18/2009 06:36:10 PM:
    Now I know I’m going crazy… I’m referring to myself in the 3rd person.

    …..

    wait for it …..

  101. You asked me my opinion as to why the TNT keeps closing your accounts, Larry.

    Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different outcome.

  102. Ithappened2me2 says:

    We need Larry here to help balance out the annoyance of the snail.

  103. Toxic waste pours forth from the mouths of people on both the left and the right, although it seems a lot more hypocritical to me coming from the left because they like to portray themselves, generally (not all of them) as kinder, more civil, of a “higher order” than their right wing brethren, or sistern, as the case may be.

    As for how all this relates to climate change, I think all that waste accounts for it. Le’ts start a movement to put duct tape over Ed Schultz’s mouth. And a bag over his head while we’re at it.

  104. I doubt that anyone here knows the answer to the debate over our climate. I’m encouraged by those who are willing to consider our impact on the climate. At least they care. Those who don’t and would muzzle the opposition are missing an opportunity to try to leave this rock in better shape then we found it, if that’s at all possible.

    Oh, but it’s abut money……………

  105. “although it seems a lot more hypocritical to me”

    Hypocicy is the one thing I’ve notice you in particular are very good at.
    I wonder if your thick, dark, partisan glasses will allow you to notice your own and your fellow party members hypocricy?

  106. “Le’ts start a movement to put duct tape over Ed Schultz’s mouth. And a bag over his head while we’re at it”.

    As an example of your hypocicy, what would you say to an evil liberal had they made that very same suggestion about your favored son limbaugh? Hannity? Beck? Palin?
    They have and will say far worse on many ocasions but for some reason you don’t want to kill them…….don’t you find that just a bit ‘hypocritical’?

  107. LarryFine “jiggle the handle”

    Ithappened2me2 “jiggle the handle”

    Kooky!

  108. How many times did limbaugh and the rest of the right wing call Hillary Clinton a lesbon?
    Countless, in cluding I’m more than willing to bet our own little troll, ailander\larry\itsnot\souj\ and his many other sock puppets.

  109. Homeowner46 says:

    I disagree.

    The year without a summer in 1816 was the result of Mt. Tambora’s explosive eruption in April of 1815, with an estimated ejecta of 160 cubic kilometers or 38.39 cubic miles. It was not only the largest, but the deadliest recorded eruption in history with a death toll of an estimated 71, 000 people. The explosions were heard 1200 miles away. It is not impossible for natural disasters to create profound and lasting changes to our planet. Consider the Sumatran, Chilean and Japanese earthquakes which have shifted the earth’s axis through each event.

    We are depleting and assaulting our natural resources at an alarming rate through offshore drilling (not only major disasters as in the Gulf last spring but leakage is common and considered “collateral damage” by big oil companies), over fishing and destroying coral reefs. The ecosystem cannot recover from relentless attack by humans. Corporate waste and pollution are wreaking havoc with our atmosphere and oceans. Our oceans and weather are directly connected – if the gulf stream is altered significantly (which it has – now dissipating into the mid atlantic rather than tracking north), atmospheric changes occur resulting in more violent storms and more geographically diverse.
    Humans can do something about it but it requires a willingness to educate and hold ourselves accountable rather than embracing the doctrine of consumerism.

  110. Man I hate these tiny little keyboards on these smart phones!

  111. LarryFine says:

    I don’t think I’ve ever asked you anything Polago.

  112. LarryFine says:

    Thanks for your 2 cents arts/moderate/beerBoy…

  113. Roncella says:

    Polago, Tipical remark from a liberal/ “At Least They Care”.

    As if their caring is going to make any difference whats so ever in not damaging the climate in some way.

    Its the liberal montra, They Care, yes they care as they push their leftest programs along one at a time.

  114. Maybe your right, Roncella. :)

    Maybe nobody should care.

  115. KARDNOS says:

    “Le’ts start a movement to put duct tape over Ed Schultz’s mouth. And a bag over his head while we’re at it.”

    They are going to bleet until the cows come home to sound out the fact that there’s a whole lot more namecalling that goes on than the Schultz issue.

    Why are right wingers so intellecually dishonest?

  116. KARDNOS says:

    “Polago says:
    May 27, 2011 at 4:06 pm
    Maybe your right, Roncella.

    No. Roncella’s tipical

  117. KARDNOS says:

    “Rush again calls Hillary Clinton the “sex-retary” of State”

    Hmmmm…..I missed the apology for that.

    Maybe Ms. Protocol of Graham has something to say about Rush……

  118. Roncella says:

    KARDNOS, I’ll just bet You Care Too !!! birds of a feather do flock together.

  119. xtp you write as if you know me when in fact you clearly do not when you refer to these folks in this way….

    “your favored son limbaugh? Hannity? Beck? Palin?”

    Clearly you do NOT know me.

    But since I’m here, I admit that my crack about Ed Schultz was childish, and yet…I still find it funny. No one said I was perfect.

    Polago, your comment made me a little nauseated actually. The “at least we care” defense presumes so much that is false about those who questioned the science behind climate change mania. It’s a manipulative ploy too which I really hate.

    Many many people who suspected the hoax that was indeed perpetrated by the politicians in the global warming camp care very much about this “rock” and actively do their part to leave it in good shape. Every now and again, your deep biases percolate to the top and spill into your comments here.

  120. aislander says:

    sozo: I have a very good friend who owns a small manufacturing company. This friend cares about me, my family, and my health in a way that no doctor who is not my friend ever could. Yet, if I needed brain surgery, I would prefer the services of a neurosurgeon I probably would never even meet, to the ministrations of my very good friend. Caring isn’t enough, and usually is irrelevant…

  121. For frosty……(Reuters) – The United States on Saturday equaled the record for deaths from tornadoes in a single year with 519 killed in 2011, and more than a month still to go in the tornado season, The National Weather Service said.

    sozo says, “Polago, your comment made me a little nauseated actually. The “at least we care” defense presumes so much that is false about those who questioned the science behind climate change mania. It’s a manipulative ploy too which I really hate.”

    I’ve read enough here to tell me that those who disagree with the idea that we are responsible for the changes in climate don’t care enough about our climate to at least entertain the notion, for the sake of our children’s existence, that there might be something we can do to prevent a possible environmental catastrophe. They seem to not want to be inconvenienced. If that nauseates you, it should.

  122. LarryFine says: “I don’t think I’ve ever asked you anything Polago.”

    Maybe it wasn’t you. Maybe it was someone who I thought was you. Maybe it was DJ.

  123. Roncella says:

    Polago, You and all the other greenies like argore, michael moore,and the rest, should stop driving cars, flying airplanes, or taking trains, stop heating/airconditioning your homes or work place, buying any products that are packaged in anyway, plant your own veg. gardens,do not plant or water gass of any kind, dig yourself a waste disposal and stop using indoor plumbing.

    This would be a start for folks like you who CARE to make a difference and save the planet.

  124. Your sarcastic comment proves my point, that you don’t care, Roncella, and you seem to think it’s funny.

    I understand sozo’s nausea.

  125. Roncella says:

    polago, My post is not meant to be sarcastic in any way. Its stated sincerely and honestly as a call to action for all liberals/greenies to start changing their way of living to suit the warnings of the weather changes occuring in the Country.

    I have to agree with you on one point, As a Conservative I could never CARE as much as you a far left liberal could about anything.

  126. And you somehow know that those of us who are not as Conservative as you don’t already do many things to minimize our carbon footprint, Roncella?

    What do you do to minimize your carbon footprint?

  127. What in the He*l is a “carbon foot print”? I’ve looked everywhere and can’t find one!

  128. http://www.carbonfootprint.com/carbonfootprint.html

    What Is A Carbon Footprint?

    A carbon footprint is a measure of the impact our activities have on the environment, and in particular climate change. It relates to the amount of greenhouse gases produced in our day-to-day lives through burning fossil fuels for electricity, heating and transportation etc.

    The carbon footprint is a measurement of all greenhouse gases we individually produce and has units of tonnes (or kg) of carbon dioxide equivalent.

  129. LarryFine says:

    A cardon footprint is money in algore’s bank…

  130. How so, LarryFine?

  131. larsman says:

    Who is the first benefactor of so-called “carbon offsets”?

    I see that there are banks involved.

    Again, the science-challenged mistaken identity crowd continues to confuse themselves as to the differentiation between Carbon Monoxide CO1, and Carbon Dioxide CO2.

    Please consult the Periodic Table of the Elements and read up on photosynthesis…

  132. beerBoy says:

    I am not now, nor never have been, moderate in my views nor in my posting, nor in my name.

    Yet another repeated error of the obsessive quoter.

  133. Roncella says:

    Polago, As a liberal/greenie Hopefully on this Memorial day you will not cook red meat or fish or chicken or pork, either on a BBQ or using your range either electric or gas. You definitely should not have your heat going for that matter.

    If you need to travel you should walk or ride a bike.

    Today you should be planting a tree or bush to honor your dedication in saving the Planet.

  134. What do you do to minimize your carbon footprint, Roncella, besides emitting hot air?

  135. Roncella says:

    Polago, Speaking of hot air, I believe I read some place that cow poop is bad for the ozone layer its gases are bad for the climate, another reason for you to not eat red meat.

  136. sozo says, “Polago, your comment made me a little nauseated actually. The “at least we care” defense presumes so much that is false about those who questioned the science behind climate change mania. It’s a manipulative ploy too which I really hate.”

    Sorry, sozo, but so far your side is batting zero. Maybe you care about the environment, but you’re painfully outnumbered by those who don’t seem to care in the least.

    Cow poop, indeed.

  137. larsman says:

    So Polago, tell us all exactly who was measuring global CO2 200+ years ago?

    You quote the EPA ( no agenda there) :
    “In 2005, global atmospheric concentrations of CO2 were 35% higher than they were before the Industrial Revolution.”

    This sounds like a Rahm Emmanuel dream (“never let a crisis go to waste”, or ” If you can’t find one…make one up”)…

    Specifically, who benefits or who will be in charge of the death of honest science and the death of individual freedom?

  138. “I’ve read enough here to tell me that those who disagree with the idea that we are responsible for the changes in climate don’t care enough about our climate to at least entertain the notion, for the sake of our children’s existence, that there might be something we can do to prevent a possible environmental catastrophe. They seem to not want to be inconvenienced.”

  139. Polago asked, “what are you doing to minimize your carbon footprint”? Again, trying to not act like I’m making fun out of Polago, but my answer would be ‘take shorter steps” or “walk in someone else tracks”. C’mon Polago, don’t you realize I’m toying with you? Do you seriously believe that you have an impact on the climate?

  140. Roncella says:

    I believe that the two words that sum up this debate perfectly are Cow Poop !!!!

  141. There was no debate, Roncella. You talked about cow poop and I addressed the possibility of our having an impact on the environment.

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