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UNITED WAY: Tax would pose a problem

Letter by Robert J. Patterson, Puyallup on May 16, 2011 at 9:42 am with 24 Comments »
May 16, 2011 1:57 pm

Re: “Tax issues may hit ballot” (TNT, 5-8).

I vividly remember being pressured by my employer to “voluntarily” donate to United Way even though there is one member of United Way that I have moral and ethical problems with. I am now retired and donate items (some used, some new), time and money to five charities throughout the year. Much of it is never claimed on my taxes.

I still have moral and ethical problems with that same organization that is a member of United Way. If a tax (required “voluntary donation”) is passed, I will no longer give to those organizations because they will receive my “voluntary donations” through United Way at the point of a gun.

So who wins? The recipients of donations or the overpaid leaders of United Way?

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  1. alindasue says:

    While my reasons for not donating to United Way have more to do with wanting my money to go directly to an organization rather than through an expensive middleman, I do find myself agreeing with you about a tax to fund charities through them.

  2. aislander says:

    I stopped giving directly to United Way when they stopped supporting the Boy Scouts…

  3. menopaws says:

    I refuse to give one dime to the United Way…….Years ago in the city I was living in there was a huge scandal about the money they gave to a home for unwed mothers—a home that refused to take young black women who were pregnant. Several people lost their jobs, several corporate chairmen resigned and I haven’t given them any money since. Give directly to the charity of your choice—why pay a middleman? And, they don’t have a great record…….

  4. The base was insulted over the way that United Way was using them as an excuse to raise funds for their cause.

    Last week we heard Sound Transit was canceling light rail to Federal Way 2 years after we started paying for it. Seems we have ben duped before.

    Next United Way will build more abortion clinics with this new sales tax windfall claiming the military have declined the need for them to help the warriors issues.

  5. nwcolorist says:

    There are so many deserving people and groups in Pierce County to give directly to. Why go through a group that siphons off a percentage for themselves?

    Charity begins at home.

  6. denismenis says:

    United Way immediately created a moral dilemma by inserting themselves in an involuntary appropriation through government – thus ceasing the concept of “charity”.

    The thing I don’t understand is the Federal Government funding “faith-based” organizations (started under Bush II) through our tax dollars, and not a whimper is heard.

  7. KARDNOS says:

    Why should United Way “support” the Boy Scouts when they discriminate? They want to be a private club, they should pay the price and fund themselves.

    As to United Way donations, you can direct to the charity of your choice, but the bottom line is that you can also avoid United Way and just donate directly.

    If you have any questions about a charity, consult http://www.give.org

    That is the BBB rating for charities.

  8. KARDNOS says:

    denis…..you are so correct!

    We should be taxing churches as opposed to faith based funding.

  9. aislander says:

    Attacking the Boy Scouts as “discriminatory” is just another way for the left to attack American traditions, something the left does reflexively, and as a predicate to a “fundamental transformation…”

  10. nwcolorist says:

    On the faith based issue, I think you are misreading the First Amendment.

    Where does it say the government can’t support religion?

  11. aislander says:

    nwcolorist wrote: “Where does it say the government can’t support religion?”

    Nowhere but in novel court decisions. I just cited the Northwest Ordinance in another thread. That ordinance, which was passed by Congress on the same day as the First Amendment said, in part: “Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.” It is obvious that there is no conflict with that statement and the Constitution except in the minds of pin-headed lefty judges…

  12. United Way is another so-called charity loaded with administrative costs. It’s allocation of funds to help neighborhoods is dismal. The “Biggies” like the Red Cross, whose national director has a $600,000. + salary, does not need any help from United Way, nor do many of the well-heeled organizations who have development officers of their own. Those local groups, including the Girl and Boy Scouts, whe deserve my support, get it. I’ll choose my own recipients, thank you, and think UNited Way asking for a special tax is an insult to my intelligence.

  13. KARDNOS says:

    “Next United Way will build more abortion clinics”

    “aislander says:
    May 16, 2011 at 5:23 pm
    Attacking the Boy Scouts as “discriminatory” is just another way for the left to attack American traditions, something the left does reflexively, and as a predicate to a “fundamental transformation…”

    I don’t know at which to laugh harder.

    It’s an American tradition to not allow certain people to participate in a club? United Way builds abortion clinics?

    WooooooooEEEEEEEEEooooooooooo

  14. KARDNOS says:

    “nwcolorist says:
    May 16, 2011 at 6:12 pm
    On the faith based issue, I think you are misreading the First Amendment.

    Where does it say the government can’t support religion?”

    Where DOES it say the government can?????????

    We are off to the proverbial races!!!!

    There is nothing in the Constitution that says the government can’t fund abortions….and yet……..

    Oh geeez…..I’ve gone a done it now…..

    It’s amazing how Conservatives can roll out the “it’s not in the Constitution” and thus it’s law.

  15. KARDNOS says:

    “”Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.”

    Considering that the Right is doing everything it can to break schools, I guess they just pick and choose on the above.

    Knowing that religion and morality was a source of the problem with equal rights in America until the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s, I guess that, too, was manipulated to serve a certain sector of Americans. I’m certain that the White Christians of the South contributed to the “happiness of mankind” for black Americans

  16. alindasue says:

    IQof88 said, “Next United Way will build more abortion clinics with this new sales tax windfall claiming the military have declined the need for them to help the warriors issues.”

    The United Way doesn’t “build” anything.

    They are a clearhouse for charitable donations to other organizations. Nothing more. That’s the main reason I don’t donate to them. Not wanting half my donation wasted paying for another layer of “administration costs”, I choose to donate directly to the organizations I wish to support.

  17. aislander says:

    KARD: Your 8:12 AM post is a howler, EVEN for you.

    The statement endorsing religion, from the Northwest Ordinance was written by the framers of the Constitution and First Amendment, proving beyond doubt that there was no conflict between government and religion. Only an established state religion was proscribed.

    The “right” are mostly concerned with returning control of schools to local districts. Controlling education from the federal level is a far cry from “encouraging” it. We don’t want to break schools, merely return them to the functions of educating students and supporting the culture.

    Your final paragraph is–dare I say–an outright lie. Both the abolition AND civil rights movements had their genesis in the churches. That SOME Christians were racists is beyond dispute, but equality of opportunity in America would have at least been delayed without the impetus from MOST Christians, white and black. Those churches that fueled the abolitionist movement were, in fact, “white” churches…

  18. BlaineCGarver says:

    I can always tell when the Left runs out of legit ammo, as they revert to name calling.

    I will never willingly donate to any organization except Salvation Army. The leaders of this fine group live simply, and do not profit from their work. Almost 100% of donations arrive at where they were directed. I encourage everyone to give them consideration the next time you feel generous.

  19. United Way does take some administrative costs and if you really want to avoid those, give directly to the organization of your choice. The organization’s value -add is simply that it is really the only way to give through payroll deduction, which is a great convenience and a nice way to be able to give more by spreading out your giving. Many people prefer the convenience of a regular payroll deduction and find they can justify overall higher giving levels that way.

    My understanding is that you can still direct your UW gift to the Boy Scouts, they are just not eligible for general funding from the unrestricted gift pool.

  20. alindasue: United Way doesn’t take “half your donation” for administrative costs. It takes 10%.

  21. A321196 says:

    It’s simple-give directly to the ultimate beneficiary of your generosity. Why give to United Way or any clearing house for your money? Why diminish your dollars through administrative overhead?

    When I first read of this proposal, I thought what the heck is going on? The good old USA is spending trillions of dollars on warfare and will have to pay through the nose for disability pensions and medical care for the warriors, and, the government cannot fund counseling for their ‘employees’ and families? Get real! I am really getting tired of everybody thinking they have a worthy cause which I should fund. Shopping in Portland or on line is looking better everyday.

  22. Islander,
    What the right wants to do is end all federal and state support of education so it will be easier to destroy public education to create a vast pool of ignorant wage slaves.

  23. aislander says:

    Federal “support” comes with strings. As for state support, well that has strings, too. That government that is closest to the governed is to be preferred. It grates that the sane parts of the state are subject to the nocturnal emissions of King County, which controls the legislature…

  24. Islander,
    The Northwest Ordinance was originally passed under the Articles of Confederation which was the ‘national government’ between the end of the Revolution and the adoption of the Constitution. One of the first acts of the 1st Congress was to reauthorize the Northwest Ordinance.

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