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BUDGET: Obama plan takes us back to normalcy

Letter by André M. Peñalver , Tacoma on April 15, 2011 at 1:06 pm with 81 Comments »
April 15, 2011 2:18 pm

Obama has proposed his budget calling for higher taxes on the wealthy, and already the right (and some readers) have accused him of socialism.

Right now, the top 1 percent of wage earners take home 24 percent of the nation’s income. In 1976, that amount was 9 percent. During the Reagan presidency, it was somewhere around 12 percent. In fact, the only other year it has been 24 percent was in 1928, a pretty ominous year, I think.

Traditionally, we have kept this inequality down through higher marginal tax rates on the rich. Under Eisenhower, for example, those rates were over 90 percent, meaning that most of those big bonuses we read so much about would go to taxes. These days, however, the marginal tax rate peaks at 35 percent, so those bonuses get the same treatment as a middle-class salary.

The result is a huge disparity in wealth such as we have never seen. The United States is now more unequal that Venezuela and Argentina, banana republics that we used to rightly criticize. The result is absolutely un-American.

What Obama proposes – a reduction in tax breaks for millionaires – is a far cry from socialism (unless Eisenhower was an outright communist). What it really is – and what we should all be demanding – is a step toward normalcy.

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  1. The President has proposed a sensable, rational plan that is based in the real world, not some dream world that the right has tried to fool us into thinking will come true if only we give more money to the top 5%. At this point after trying it thier way for 30 years, bankrupting the nation and thrusting more and more Americans into poverty with little hope of escape becasue an education is out of reach, it’s time to draw the line and put a stop to the facist take over of the country.

  2. ItalianSpring says:

    For libs ‘normalcy’ is far better than exceptionalism. Afterall, we wouldn’t want to actually show up any third world country now that the Indonesian is in charge.

  3. Excellent letter. Standby for the wingnut and neocon word attacks. It’s not a problem unless they further descend and resort to “stick and stones.”
    I mean, who would any reasonable person choose between for direction, Charles Krauthammer, who urged everyone on to strike Iraq under false pretenses or Paul Krugman who shows enormous compassion for his fellow man and is a real economist?

  4. ampenalver says:

    I don’t know, ItalianSpring, are you saying America wasn’t exceptional during the Eisenhower presidency when the marginal tax rate was above 90%? Are you saying it wasn’t exceptional during the Reagan presidency when the top 1% only earned 9% of the nation’s income (instead of 24%, the current amount). Normalcy for America is exceptionalism, and that’s what I would like us to return to. Why don’t you want that? Does your ideology trump your patriotism?

  5. GHTaxPayer says:

    If normal is running a $1.8 Trillion deficit every year with Medicare expected to be $48 TRILLION in the red by 2018, then I’ll choose abnormal every time.

  6. yabetchya says:

    Giggle$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  7. “We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can’t have both.” — Louis Brandeis, Supreme Court justice from 1916–1939

  8. cute trick ItalianSpring – trying to equate exceptionalism with exceptional (which are definitely not the same).

    Exceptionalism is the perception that a country, society, institution, movement, or time period is “exceptional” (i.e., unusual or extraordinary) in some way and thus does not need to conform to normal rules or general principles.

    So it could be quite normal that US citizens view their society as being exceptional.

    Cretin – a stupid, obtuse, or mentally defective person………does intentional obtuseness (shown by intentionally blurring a perception of being exceptional with actually being exceptional) make one an intentional cretin?

  9. blakeshouse says:

    boo hoo …the top 1% make 24% of the money, the forgetten end of that sentence is that the same 1% PAY over 41% of federal taxes. The bottom 50% of “tax payers” pay no federal income tax at all but look forward every spring for that fat refund check fro money they have never put in in the first place. Take it from one group and give it to another that is SOCIALISM period

  10. harleyrider1 says:

    Some of you people must be very jealous of your neighbors. You know the ones that worked hard and maybe buy new cars every 3-4 years. You know the ones that actually have held steady jobs that paid well because they studied in school instead of smoking dope and getting drunk.

    Have nots attacking the haves. I bet you raise your children with these jealous beliefs instead of urging them to work hard, save, and believe in yourself.

    Once you take away everything from the neighbor that is better off then you and spend all his money – then what? Once you spend all of Bill Gates’ money – then what? Stealing from smarter people will not make you smart. You’re still what you are. Money doesn’t change that.

  11. harley – quite the strawman you got there – reducing all critique of the supply side economics that has led to the largest disparity in wealth distribution since the Great Depression to jealously of lazy, dope-smoking alcoholics who don’t know how to budget and failed out of school.

    Provide the logical merits of supporting a system of vast disparity of wealth and how that provides for the best democratic republic………(crickets)………oh well, go back to attacking those who disagree with you by putting forward unsupported suppositions about their motives.

  12. Roncella says:

    President Obama has been influenced by his closest friends for many years, the Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Rosco(currently in jail/crook).

    The Lame Stream Media chooses not to fully investigate these long associations and never truly vetted Obama as he ran for election the first time around.

    Hopefully if The Donald doesn’t do anything but bring to light these important figures in Obama’s life, maybe the American people will finally find out what President Obama really believes stands for and believes in.

    In all the Major Polls recently taken over 60% of Americans believe Obama is taking the country in the wrong direction. From his bankrupt Obamacare to bills he has passed and pushed with reid and pelosi’s help.

    Now the Great Community Organizor and terrific speaker is just about in full Re-Election mode. His handlers are choosing his every word and thought. They are trying to show case Obama as a middle of road canidate. They must showcase Obama as being a centrist not the Very Far Left Liberal/Prigressive that he actually is.

    The handlers are carefully loading his many tele-prompters with all the right information, in attacking and implementing class warfare, pitting the poor against the rich, Union folks against non-union, the unemployed against the employed.
    The President is a talented campaigner and will be almost impossible to beat, with his great skills at campaigning and with his over a Billion dollars in campaign funds.

  13. LarryFine says:

    “wingnut and neocon word attacks” … kettle… meet pot.

  14. LarryFine says:

    bB… yes.

  15. Nice letter, but blakeshouse took your arguement out in a couple lines. The “rich” already pay far and above their share, Obama is busy expanding his earned income credit welfare payoff to his constituent base. When half of this country has no “skin in the game”, it creates the jealous mentality displayed in this letter. Do not begrudge someone else’s success. Use it as a motivator in your life to work harder, smarter, save more, waste less, and build whatever life you want for yourself and your family.

  16. It’s ludicrous to read comments supporting Obama’s “Nanny Program.”
    I, for one, have nothing against the rich. Many inherited their money and others
    worked hard all their lives to reach the “rich status.” And then you have these
    individuals who have the audacity to think that the rich “owe them something.” While many of the rich climbed their way to the top, others decided to consume excessive amounts of booze and remain in a stupor most of their lives. And let’s not forget the drugs. Understandbly, there are people who cannot fend for themselves and they need help, expecially the people with “special needs.” By the way, Publico, when did you become a military expert. When you tackle Krauthammer, your way out of your league, the same as the rest of the Libs.

  17. ItalianSpring says:

    uscha- I can assure you that I am far closer to a military expert than publico will EVER be. He has no idea who he’s talking to.

  18. To all birthers,
    Do you really seriously believe that the FBI, CAI, HLS, and many other alphabet intelligence and law enforcement agencies, have not vetted Obama and every other Presidential and VP candidate, as well as everyone else in the line of succession?

  19. Xring, why are you always so wrong. If Obama was properly vetted, he would not be in the Oval Office today. You, like all the lefties, keep forgetting all his
    honorable associates like Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers. Oh by the way, isn’t one of his closest friends serving time in the federal penitentiary. What’s his name,
    Rezko?

  20. ampenalver says:

    Blakeshouse says: “Take it from one group and give it to another that is SOCIALISM period.”

    Assuming that is true (which I don’t think), then Eisenhower, who taxed the rich way more than Obama was obviously much more a Socialist–as was every president in the modern era who supported a progressive taxation system that taxes the rich more than the rest of the country. So from your argument, America has been socialist for some time, Blakeshouse. Love it or leave it, buddy. Obviously, you don’t fit in.

  21. Tennisbm says:

    Is there anyone that believes the wealthy ever paid 90% of their earnings in taxes? The higher the tax rate means more money hidden overseas or in some loophole, and therefore no more revenue for government. Set any rate you want and see if friends of the president pay any more taxes. Start with General Electric.

  22. Roncella says:

    T-Mell, Blakehouse, Two Great Posts, You both do an excellent job of showing the letter writter Andre’, how wrong his ideas and comments are.

  23. If liberals were brave enough to come to my house and demand money I could respect their resolve. I would not advise it though.

    Having democrat surrogates steal from me is more to their socialist liking and inability to embrace freedom and responsibility . . .

  24. IndependentVoltaire says:

    I want to see a Republican balance his checkbook with less income. When the mortgage exceeds the income, he can tell the bank that he’s not going to pay the bill.

  25. IndependentVoltaire says:

    Obama’s friend Roscoe –

    One of President Barack Obama’s close friends has been arrested in Honolulu on suspicion of soliciting a prostitute.

    Robert “Bobby” Titcomb was one of four men arrested in an undercover sting operation late Monday and later released on $500 bail, according to Honolulu police.

    Titcomb, 49, attended Punahou School in Honolulu with Obama in the 1970s. The president graduated in 1979, a year before Titcomb. The two often play golf and basketball, go to the beach and dine together when the president returns home to Hawaii for vacation.

    David Vitter admitted to a “serious sin” in 2007 after his phone number was found in the records of the so-called “D.C. Madam,” Deborah Jeane Palfrey. The records dated from the time Vitter was serving in the U.S. House from 1999 to 2004. A woman later said Vitter hired her as a prostitute in New Orleans in 1999. He was elected to the Senate 2004.

    Which one is serving in the Senate?

  26. IndependentVoltaire says:

    nanook – I can see the black helicopters circling your house this very minute. Grab that assault weapon and blow them out of the sky.

  27. uratroll says:

    Barak Hussein Obama – mmm, mmm, mmm!

  28. hansgruber says:

    Normalcy?

    Borrowing Trillions a year is not the norm, it the exception.

    If he were to bring normalcy, he would be borrowing Billions.

    I would push for the exception in the opposite direction:

    Balance the budget and pay down the debt.

    I know beer…novel but noble concept

  29. IndependentVoltaire says:

    Well…considering the US has been borrowing since 2002…..borrowing must be the norm

  30. Although I must admit I do enjoy grabbing my gun before I go to sleep every night.

    Do you like smoking cigars too?

  31. GHTaxPayer says:

    Have no fear. TRUMP is on the way.

  32. tree_guy says:

    “Every movement that seeks to enslave a country, every dictatorship or potential dictatorship, needs some minority group as a scapegoat which it can blame for the nation’s troubles and use as a justification of its own demands for dictatorial powers. In Soviet Russia, the scapegoat was the bourgeoisie; in Nazi Germany, it was the Jewish people; in America, it is the businessmen.” Ayn Rand

  33. Roncella says:

    This is all really very simple to figure out especially for the political junkies like me.

    President Obama will win re-election in 2012 with no problem. Reasons why are as follows.

    1. Obama will get at least 97% of the black vote, 70% of the Mexican vote, full support of all the major Newspapers nationwide, and full support from the power cable channels like CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, NPR. (it really doesn’t matter how terrible a job he’s done his first term)

    2 Obama has already accumulated over a Billion Dollars and growing by the day for his re-election funds. (follow the money)

    3. President Obama is a very talented campaigner, and very good speaker.

    So all you liberal, progressive, socialist posters who might be just a little worried, stop, your hero will get another 4 years to finish destroying the American economy, American Hospitalization systems(obamacare, bankrupt), social security, Medicare systems(bankrupt), a third War started by Obama, Gas going to be near 6.00 a gallon for all Americans.

    Yes I think alot of folks are finally starting to understand better the slogans Obama used when he ran the first time, Change, (thats all we will have in our pockets),

    Yes We Can, Make Union bosses and liberal congressmen more powerful and rich.

    President Obama will have another four years of parties at the Whitehouse, Vacations every few weeks, living like a king, while many won’t be able to drive their cars because of the expense and lack of jobs extreme high cost of living, Food, Gas, Utilities etc.

  34. hansgruber says:

    IndependentVoltaire says:
    April 16, 2011 at 11:04 pm
    Well…considering the US has been borrowing since 2002…..borrowing must be the norm

    LOL!
    The US has borrowed money from day 1. Only once in this country’s history was it not in debt:

    On Jan. 8, 1835, all the big political names in Washington gathered to celebrate what President Andrew Jackson had just accomplished. A senator rose to make the big announcement: “Gentlemen … the national debt … is PAID.”

    That was the one time in U.S. history when the country was debt free. It lasted exactly one year.

  35. That was the one time in U.S. history when the country was debt free. It lasted exactly one year.

    I’m thinking that that would make being in debt “normacy”.

    BTW – if the Republic has survived all but one year in debt, why is it so important to get out of debt now?

  36. hansgruber says:

    The average annual budget deficit during President George W. Bush’s presidency was $250.7 billion, ranging from a high of $458.6 billion in 2008 to a low of a $128.2 billion surplus in 2001.

    Under Obama it is annualized is $1.618 Trillion
    ($3.618 Trillion since Jan 20, 2009)

    So is that normal then?

    I think not

  37. mikemcdonnell says:

    The only way from the bottom is up. 



    After steering America into the worst economic meltdown since the great depression republicans seem to think they “know” how to right the ship they almost sunk. 



    The worst 8 years in recent American history 2000-2008. But many believe the GOP party of no-responsiblity, just like there are those that believe the earth is no more than 5,000 years old.

    Tax Cuts Offer Most for Very Rich, Study Says
    WASHINGTON, Jan. 7, 2007 — Families earning more than $1 million a year saw their federal tax rates drop more sharply than any group in the country as a result of President Bush’s tax cuts, according to a new Congressional study.
    http://tinyurl.com/ydk9tc

    Wealth Gap Is Increasing, Study Shows
    The rich really are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, a new University of Michigan study shows. Rising inequality isn’t new. But what happened under Bush is something entirely unprecedented: For the first time in our history, so much growth is being siphoned off to a small, wealthy minority that most Americans are failing to gain ground even during a time of economic growth — and they know it. http://tinyurl.com/49jj89

    Kleptocracy at work. Republican liassae faire doesn’t bode well for average Americans, only the rich.

  38. mikemcdonnell says:

    Republicans did not seem to think that Ronald Reagan’s $2 trillion addition to the national debt from 1981 through 1988 was very much, or another $1 trillion added to the debt by George H.W. Bush from 1989 through 1992 mattered. Even George W. Bush’s addition to the debt of about $5 trillion from 2001 through 2008 did not get many, if any, Republican complaints.

    One can only conclude that for some reason, unknown to science and mathematics, Republican trillions are somehow relatively smaller than Democratic trillions. Any Republican who can explain this phenomenon should get a Nobel Prize.

  39. From the same article from Mike:

    Put another way: rich families were the undisputed winners from President Bush’s tax cuts, but people in the bottom half of the earnings scale were not paying much in taxes anyway.

    duh!

    The top 20 percent of income earners paid 67.1 percent of all federal taxes, up from 66.1 percent in 2000, according to the budget office.

    So the top 20% paid more in their share to the federal coffers… an increase…. wow, how is that possible I thought Bush was an evil b-tard.

    By contrast, families in the bottom 40 percent of income earners, those with incomes below $36,300, typically paid no federal income tax and received money back from the government.

    Received money back via the earned income credit… if 40% of the working population is not paying into the system and even get some money back…. from system they didn’t pay into… are we really still at a loss at to how screwed up the income tax system is.

    Fix the system before you ask me (meaning any income level) for more money to fund a broken system.

  40. For Mikemdonnell: No sense in addressing comments right out of the George
    Soros playbook. But it seems you are lacking in originality. Over 70 years ago, and probably before then, there was and old saying: “The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.” The only rich folks that I know that are not paying their fair share of taxes is GE, personal friend of your messiah. “God, do I miss the days of the Reagan Presidency!”

  41. right out of the George Soros playbook.

    Ummm…..Coach?…….no one gave me that playbook you keep talking about.

  42. ampenalver says:

    Nanook says: “If liberals were brave enough to come to my house and demand money I could respect their resolve. I would not advise it though.”

    But Nanook, the Sixteenth Amendment of our Constiution allows the U.S. government to collect income taxes. What do you have our against our Constitution? You don’t think it applies to you? That’s not very American.

  43. Hey BeerBoy. Based on many of your comments, it appears that you are extremely familiar with the playbook I mentioned. C’mon BeerBoy, own up!

  44. ampenalver says:

    GHTaxpayer says: “Have no fear. TRUMP is on the way.”

    I love what Trump told Tim Russert about Republicans in 1999: “I really believe the Republicans are just too crazy, right?”

    And have you read Trump’s book, The America We Deserve? “We must have universal healthcare,” wrote Trump. “I’m a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses.”

    Yeah, GHTaxpayer, Trump is on the way. I guess you must be pretty excited for that universal healthcare he loves so much.

  45. ampenalver says:

    Oh, also from Trump’s book, the America We Deserve: “By imposing a one-time 14.25 percent net-worth tax on the richest individuals and trusts, we can put America on sound financial footing for the next century.”

    Boy, GHTaxpayer, I didn’t know you were such a socialist!

  46. Uscha – ever hear of Bank America – $30 – $40 Trillion in Profits and not one red penny in US Income tax. In fact most big US corporations pay no or next to nothing in Income Tax.

  47. Yeah xring. I would wager their good friends of your messiah! But honestly,
    xring, where do you dream of these imaginary stats. What you need is a little cheering up to take you out of your misery. “What is a sure way to teach a Liberal to fetch? Answer: “Tie Obama’s picture to a stick and throw it”
    How about this one. “Why do Liberals lie? Answer: “It comes natural.” See
    xring, don’t you feel better already?

  48. Hans – do you know why the US was in debt from day one?

    It was because the US (under the Constitution) took over the Revolutionary debts of the Continual Congress and of the States.

    The Debt under Bush 2 went up over %5 trillion dollars in 8 years, which would be an average of 625 billion a year.

    Uscha, I get my facts from legitiment News Organizations. You get yours off the wall of the third stall in the men’s room.

  49. witchiwoman says:

    There is no way to EVER reduce a several trillion dollar debt. I think we ought to do what it says in the old testament, and wipe the slate clean all around the world and start over from scratch.

    It says in Deuteronomy 15:1 that every 7 years creditors should wipe out the debt of their debtors and start fresh. I’m sure the other holy books around the world have similar language. I think that’s an excellent idea. It would take untold lifetimes to try to reduce debt as large as ours, not to mention the debt around the world. Why not just erase it all and start fresh?

  50. ItalianSpring says:

    RONALDUS MAGNUS!!!!!!

  51. ItalianSpring says:

    Roncella- I agree with your prediction and for all the exact reasons you point out. With libs, the only requirements that a candidate requires is hatred for the USA and freedom (freedom is evil that must be never mentioned) and actively demonstrate that hatred by instituting policies towards destroying the aforementioned.

  52. Ya gotta love video…….Paul Ryan begging Congress to pass TARP bail out.

    http://dailybail.com/home/busted-watch-tarp-republican-paul-ryan-begging-congress-to-v.html

  53. There was a time that a poster named citylies actually was funny and seemed to have some connection with reality…..

  54. Super rich see federal taxes drop dramatically[....]the super rich pay a lot less taxes than they did a couple of decades ago.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110418/ap_on_re_us/us_no_taxes

    Wasn’t the economy “a couple of decades ago” a lot better than it is now?

  55. From the article…

    The top income tax rate is 35 percent, so how can people who make so much pay so little in taxes? The nation’s tax laws are packed with breaks for people at every income level. There are breaks for having children, paying a mortgage, going to college, and even for paying other taxes. Plus, the top rate on capital gains is only 15 percent.

    There are so many breaks that 45 percent of U.S. households will pay no federal income tax for 2010, according to estimates by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank.

    The income tax systems is broken. Taking money from us to feed the DC trolls who are incabable of being fiscally responsible is not the solution. Fix the systems first, change the mindset that the American people are walking pocketbooks for the government… at all levels,

  56. Parkland says:

    I notice that the TNT is doing their part to prop up the democrats. Last week they printed that despicable cartoon “shared sacrifice v human sacrifice”, supposedly the difference between the Obama “plan” and the Ryan plan. (Hey, whatever happened to the divisive rhetoric? Or does that only apply to conservatives?) Today, front page and above the fold, an AP story written for no other purpose than to promote class warfare, and in the same issue, print this garbage, another example of class warfare rhetoric.

    The letter writer sez: “Right now, the top 1 percent of wage earners take home 24 percent of the nation’s income.”

    And they also pay about 40% of the income tax. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, pal.

  57. If there is a class war going on it began years ago, maybe as early as Regan’s firing of the air traffic controllers. He was no friend of labor, only the wealthy.

    The working class has lost considerable ground, since then, so has our economy. That’s no coincidence.

  58. LarryFine says:

    Not sure what your point is B, other than to “attempt to derail the thread”… there’s plenty of video of Barry contradicting himself too.

    beerBoy says:
    April 11, 2011 at 5:48 am
    Other than partisan blame game……is there a point to discussing the past Congress?

  59. 45% of households don’t pay taxes?

    Down from 47% last week.

    I thought not paying taxes was what the Tea Bag Patrol wanted

  60. “The income tax systems is broken. Taking money from us to feed the DC trolls who are incabable of being fiscally responsible is not the solution.”

    Don’t forget the 8 red states that are among the top ten recieving more federal funds than they pay. The 600,000 Alaskans leading the pack. Wyoming in second place. Both are know as “oil states”

    http://www.census.gov/prod/2010pubs/fas-09.pdf

  61. “Last week they printed that despicable cartoon “shared sacrifice v human sacrifice”

    The News Tribune has got to start avoiding using their media as a place for their opinion. The only people entitled to an opinion are the Tea Party and their’s doesn’t have to be based on any facts.

  62. despicable.

    The Daffy Duck analysis.

  63. You got that right Kardnow, if we, the US had it together and provided enough products and services to the rest of the world… then hell yeah, we could reduce the tax burden on everyone so that litterally no one pays taxes.

  64. GHTaxPayer says:

    The FACT is that Obama has added $over $4 TRILLION to our national debt in only 2 1/2 years.

    The FACT is that Obama has proposed an annual budget that adds $1.8 TRILLION this year alone to our national debt.

    The FACT is that under Obama we have RECORD HIGH poverty, food stamps, foreclosures and unemployed, while his FinReg reform and Wall St. bailouts have led Wall St and the banks to post RECORD HIGH profits.

  65. Didn’t you once say that it was Congress’ budget, not the Presidents’, GHTaxPayer?

    Maybe that was one of your FACTs during the Bush years.

  66. Yeah, xring. It’s hilarious reading comments from Liberals like you. You probably visit 10 different web sites for your fantasy figures and then choose the one that is best suited for your radical Liberal agenda. You libs are so gullible that you don’t even realize that the biggest scam in U.S. History is being perpetrated upon you. Let me provide a small scenario for you and hopefully you are capable enough to grasp it. Obama: President; Tim Geithner: Head of the the treasury, which includes the IRS; Czars: Head of Obama’s regime. Get the picture. Are you and your lib friends capable of connecting the dots? I doubt it, but at least make an attempt.

  67. And then theirs this…

    http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/18/news/economy/us_credit_rating_outlook_lowered/index.htm

    I would say it’s beginning but it has been going on for awhile now… like a frog in cold water, the heat is turning up…

    wake up people… this is bad news and getting worse…

  68. As the run up for the re-election of President Obama gets moving, Obama and the dems. will continue to use class warfare to keep their voters voting.

    Obama and the dems will encourage hatred among americans pitting the Poor Against the Rich, Union members against non-Union members, Government workers against non-Government workers, higher taxes on folks making over 250,000 a year, with no federal taxes being paid by folks making under 50,000, divide and conquer. This continues the pressure to make America into a socialist Country resembling a third world country.

    They can’t run on the issues the Country is facing, the terrible bankrupt Obamacare, the economy in the pitts, high unemployment, gas over 4.00 a gallon and climbing, a third War Started by Obama in Libya, Americas Credit rating lowered on and on.

    The lame stream media will continue their support for all things Obama and Liberal and leaning far left.

    Note the Headlines in todays News Tribune as follows:

    ” Super rich Paying Less In Taxes”.

    Its the class hatred between Amercans that will eventually destoy capitalism, and the great Stadard of living we all once enjoyed.

  69. kardnos sez: “The News Tribune has got to start avoiding using their media as a place for their opinion.”

    A few months ago, liberal and progressive tools, such as yourself, whined about perceived “hateful rhetoric” after the Gabrielle Giffords shooting. Of course, no one on the left actually cared, but they saw it as an opportunity to try and silence conservatives, being the pathetic little people that they are. Now, you have what really is hateful rhetoric, and you defend the hate. Seriously, what’s more hateful than accusing your political opponents of wanting to kill people? Only a tool and a tiny minded political puppet could possibly defend something like that. Congratulations, tool.

  70. We are already a “third world” country—our health care system alone puts us there……..I am so tired of “patriots” who don’t want to pay taxes and blame Obama for a deficit that is, at least, an honest one. The previous President NEVER put the two wars on the books–that’s how he managed to get a second term. But, hey, honesty isn’t big with this crowd either….they are still looking for those pesky weapons of mass destruction. Here’s the deal—you want to live in a democracy—you need to support your government with tax dollars. Responsibility is a part of citizenship. So quit going to birther websites and calling our President, who was elected fair and square, names. Time to start behaving like grown-ups and do whatever it takes to get this deficit under control………whining and name calling won’t work!!!! We” liberal “types are tired of our tax $$$ supporting corporate free-loaders who ship American jobs overseas. The party is over for that crowd…..You want to call that socialism–have at it……..But, whatever it is–it needs to end before this country’s bond rating collapses and puts us all in bread lines……Economics is NOT political.

  71. menopaws: “you want to live in a democracy”

    I don’t want to live in a democracy. Democracies are evil.

  72. Uscha –
    There was a typo in my 4-17, 5:54 pm posting. It should have read ‘$34 – $40 Billion’ rather than ‘Trillions’.

    However, you are the one missing the point. That is that being friends with the President IS NOT why most large corporations pay little or no taxes. They do so because of poorly written tax codes, deliberate tax breaks, and lack enforcement of the tax codes.

    Witchiwoman –
    Wipe the slate clean one time and watch the US plummet in to a third world country with a credit rating somewhere south of Somalia’s’.

    PS: Slate wiping did work in the time Christ because the rich and the Temple figured out ways to wipe their debts off the slate, but keeping others debts to them on the slate.

  73. ampenalver says:

    Parkland writes: The top 1% “also pay about 40% of the income tax. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, pal.”

    Ignoring the last part, I acknowledge that the top 1% pay a disproportionate share of taxes, but my point in the letter is that they used to pay more (like under Eisenhower–when they paid a marginal tax rate of over 90%). The result was a stronger middle class, which is the backbone of the U.S. economy. The current marginal tax rate of 35% is not high enough to preserve the middle class, which is why we now have a bigger wealth divide than Latin America!

    So my question, pal, is what was so bad about the marginal tax rates under Eisenhower and Nixon–were they Communists in very good disguise?

  74. Democracies are evil.

    Wow!

  75. Parkland says:

    “Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself.”
    – John Adams

    “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!”
    – Benjamin Franklin

    “Democracy is indispensable to socialism.”
    – Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

    “Democracy is the road to Socialism.”
    – Karl Marx

  76. Roncella says:

    ampanaver, You don’t really think that the very rich and the large corporations were paying much of their taxes at those high rates during the eisenhower and nixon eras ?

    They had very good accountants and advisors to help them hide their profits and money overseas and in all kinds of special secret funds. Get Real !!

  77. Good point Roncella. They’ve been cheating our country into debt. We average folks end up having to pick up their slack.

    Had I said that, the right would have accused me of being jealous of the very rich.

  78. Islander,
    The GOP takes for the majority to give to the minority, and brands any Government spending (except for defense and selected pork projects) as socialism,

    Xx98,
    The GOP believes the working and middle classes are money sources for the Rich,

    U.S. Income Distribution [the story behind the percents]
    If the US population is represented along the length of the football field, arranged in order of income.

    Median US family income (the family at the 50 yard line) is ~$40,000 (a stack of $100 bills 1.6 inches high).

    The family on the 95 yard line earns about $100,000 per year, a stack of $100 bills about 4 inches high.

    At the 99 yard line the income is about $300,000, a stack of $100 bills about a foot high.

    At the one foot line the income reaches $1 million (a 40 inch high stack of $100 bills) one foot from the goal line.

    At the goal line wages are represented by a stack of $100 bills 50 km (~30 miles)!

    http://www.lcurve.org/

    Uscha – who is gullible? \
    Me who does my own research and forms my own opinions.

    Or you who still believes the bilge water that the President was not born in the US.

    Parkie – we do not live in a Democracy. We live in a Republic.

  79. The GOP believes the working and middle classes are money sources for the Rich,

    xring – I’m sorry but it’s kinda hard to take you seriously with blanket statements like above… also haven’t we done the football thingy before… it’s cute… whats your point?

    Yes, we have rich people…. yes, we have poor people… and we have those in between…

  80. Its the class hatred between Amercans that will eventually destoy capitalism, and the great Stadard of living we all once enjoyed.

    If you mean the class-hatred shown by the efforts, by every Administration since Reagan, to off-shore good paying jobs and thus destroy the middle class, then we are in agreement.

  81. Parkland

    “It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”
    Winston Churchill

    “Democracy is the only system that persists in asking the powers that be whether they are the powers that ought to be.”
    Sydney J. Harris

    “As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy.”
    Abraham Lincoln

    “A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy”
    Theodore Roosevelt

    “The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it comes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism – ownership of government by an individual, by a group,”
    Franklin D. Roosevelt

    “Democracy is the government of the people, by the people, for the people”
    Abraham Lincoln

    “Freedom is when the people can speak, democracy is when the government listens.”
    Alastair Farrugia

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