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ISLAM: Wars fueled by hostile misreadings of scripture

Letter by Andy Asmussen, Puyallup on April 1, 2011 at 10:43 am with 84 Comments »
April 1, 2011 11:09 am

Re: “Stop cherry-picking alarming quotes from the Quran” (Leonard Pitts column, 3-29).

So much of what was said can be applied to Rep. Peter King, R-NY, and his ongoing witch hunt to seek the “traitors” within our country that believe in Islam.

So much like the 1950s McCarthy witch hunt for all those “communists” within society, King finds little more than his own selected, and convoluted interpretations of readings from the Quran to fortify his persecution and accusations against Islam.

Islam had the prophet Muhammad much as Christianity had the teachings of Jesus to follow. Jesus did not teach man to hate another for his beliefs. Nor did Muhammad. Their only teachings were a “pathway” to a better life here today, that could lead to a life of fulfillment in eternity.

Yet we are constantly barraged by one man’s interpretation of those word that disparages another man’s beliefs, finding support in selected, misconstrued writings within another’s holy script.

Wars have been fought through the ages by myopic perceived differences in one religion vs. another. They continue today.

Our president got it right some time ago he asked only that we end to choosing to persecute and castigate all those who call their God by a different name. Christianity remains…Islam will remain, but it is up to us to co-exist.

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  1. whatIdid says:

    “Jesus did not teach man to hate another for his beliefs”…
    I don’t hate muslims… I just hate it when they saw off people’s heads and blow people up… based on the teachings of their “prophet” that we aren’t allowed to draw cartoons of.

  2. The Sunni branch of Islam, like Protestantism, believes each individual has to read the Koran and come to a personal relationship with God.

    The Shiite branch, like Catholicism, believes that the Koran can only be understood and explained by specially trained people.

    Like fundamentals and zealots of all stripes, those that want to find blood and death in the Koran can and will find it. Just as the same can be found in the Bible.

  3. drxtreme says:

    Anyone and EVERYONE who seeks God from or in a book is an devote idiot that will never find peace, only frustration and misguided, misleading teachings and interpretations of another man….Organized religion of ALL Faiths is about power and or money only. Seek God on a personal level and you will find 1) peace, 2) strength of faith, 3) God!

  4. klthompson says:

    Best recent argument for quiet atheism I have heard lately.

  5. xRoll_On says:

    whatIdid, you nailed it!

  6. truthbusterguy says:

    Terry Jones in Flordia has read the quran and found it guilty. They kill 20 UN workers today.

    How amy bibles have been burned? Many, but we turn our cheek.

  7. “whatIdid says:
    April 1, 2011 at 12:22 pm
    “Jesus did not teach man to hate another for his beliefs”…
    I don’t hate muslims… I just hate it when they saw off people’s heads and blow people up… based on the teachings of their “prophet” that we aren’t allowed to draw cartoons of.”
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    Yeah…and then there were those nice Christian boys that hang folks from a tree just for being black, gay, Jewish or anything else they can hate. They’ve also been known to drag them behind trucks.

  8. Wasn’t it nice of Terry Jones to put his theory to a test?

    The sad part is that they killed the wrong people.

    I’m with you, klthompson.

  9. Jesus may not have said to kill people because of their beliefs, but the Bible does – look uf Jericho.

    Most Christian churches and sects have no problems with killing those who doing follow the ‘true faith.’

  10. pazzo242 says:

    Some of you who point at the Bible about how it talks about killing of others and other atrocities–you are only half right. Keep in mind the Bible has two distinct parts, Old Testament and New Testament. That said you can find passage after passage in the Old Testament of killing, adultery and so on. In the New Testament, the words of Christ, that theme takes a 180 degree turn. Thus Christians hold to the New Testament and only have the Old as a reference to where we came so far from.

    As for those who claim to be Christians and then do things as outlined by X_6zero points out are not Christians at all but thugs carrying a cross. Keep in mind that those thugs would light a cross on fire during their meetings. I can’t think of anything more non-Christian then that.

    So for those who want to point a finger at the Christian belief about how bad it is; that is so ingenuous. Acts committed by thugs in sheep’s clothing are doing their best to just sabotage the teaching of Christ Jesus.

    And I know some of you will point out the Crusades or the Catholic priest pedophiles or maybe Jim Jones and so on. But of the billions of Christians in the world that is an insignificant number—there are as many (if not more) goofballs in the Islamic faith as well and a part of ANY large organization—religious or not.

    Aside from the fact that Jesus made the claim (believe it or not) that he was the Son of the Father and the only way to the Father is through him and Mohammed never did there is one large fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity. Jesus brought us together by forgiveness and love. Mohammed did it by the way of the sword–conquering and killing. It is a heritage that speaks volumes.

  11. pazzo – Yes, Islam was spread via the sword bu you apparently “forgot” the whole sections of history where Christianity was spread to the “heathen” natives by threats of violence…….or the Inquisition…..or the Crusades……or the Salem Witch trials.

    Too bad…..you were almost there when you wrote But of the billions of Christians in the world that is an insignificant number—there are as many (if not more) goofballs in the Islamic faith as well and a part of ANY large organization—religious or not

    But then you had to add that last paragraph that directly negated the sanity of the above sentence.

  12. pazzo242 says:

    BB–my prediction was correct—-someone out there would bring up all those things that happened a long time ago. Thanks for making my point.

    I am not up on Islamic history but given what is happening now in the world I would bet that most of the bad things that occurred in the Islamic faith are all white washed to purify the faith, unlike Christianity where it has been revealed for everyone to see and reject.

    How can you sit there and justify the carnage Muhammad did in the name of Allah and see that continued carnage today and then have the audacity to point fingers at Christianity’s past. I can tell you any true Christian cannot, under any circumstances justify any killing in the name of Jesus. Anyone who does is a heretic.

    Let’s also keep in mind that we (Christians) do not celebrate in the streets when Muslims are slaughtered as we have seen in Islamic countries. Christians do not mutilate their women, Christians do not treat their women as cattle and property, Christians do not use barbaric punishment for crimes, Christians do not behead people just because of the victim’s religion and this, along with other Dark Ages techniques are all done in the name of God—it is pervasive and time for Islam to join the rest of the world.

  13. So that sentence was an anomaly then. Too bad…….

  14. “Let’s also keep in mind that we (Christians) do not celebrate in the streets when Muslims are slaughtered as we have seen in Islamic countries.”

    A little cross burning ceremony after bombing a church isn’t a celebration?
    “justify the carnage Muhammad did in the name of Allah
    Like the little game of tic tac toe that God played with Satan on Job?
    “Christians do not use barbaric punishment for crimes, Christians do not behead people just because of the victim’s religion”
    Waterboading and other torture isn’t barbaric? While Christians don’t behead, it’s become quite vogue to watch the execusion of those found guilty of a crime. Again, if the issue is religion, see the KKK who did barbaric things to a man because of skin color less than 10 years ago.

    Christianity has its fair amount of warriors that celebrated killing in the name of their God. To ignore such is just intellectual dishonesty.

  15. “pazzo242 says:
    April 2, 2011 at 1:58 am
    Some of you who point at the Bible about how it talks about killing of others and other atrocities–you are only half right. Keep in mind the Bible has two distinct parts, Old Testament and New Testament. That said you can find passage after passage in the Old Testament of killing, adultery and so on. In the New Testament, the words of Christ, that theme takes a 180 degree turn. Thus Christians hold to the New Testament and only have the Old as a reference to where we came so far from.”
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    Thus we’ll leave Leviticus 18:22 behind and try to find a passage in the New Testament about homosexuality.

    The Old Testament becomes very convenient in church when you need a weapon.

  16. Roncella says:

    Andy, The Extreme Muslim Terrorists that masterminded and carried out 9-11 Were all muslims.

    The many attempts at killing more Americans by the crouch bomber, a Muslim Terroist, or Times Square, Muslim Terroist, The Fort Hood American Muslim Terrorist, All Muslims.

    The Vast Majority of Muslims are not violent, however the tiny small group of Muslim Terrorists that want to Kill and destroy Americans and America as well as Israel need to be exposed and stopped before they do anymore destruction and murder to innocent people all over the World.

  17. pazzo242 says:

    X_6zero–you obviously did not read my post–which is not uncommon for you. I CLEARLY stated that anyone who does those acts in the name of God are heritics. I also stated that these acts are by the individuals and have nothing to do with Christ. They only use Christ as a cover to mask their crimes.

    Are you having problems reading? Please go over it again, slowly this time and if you need a dictionary have it near you so you can reference those big words I used. But I do believe it is clear and to the point.

    You want to take swipes at Christianity; go for it. It is truly your right to do so.

  18. Ron – and those Basque terrorists and IRA terrorists and Orangemen terrorists and anti-Castro terrorists and THE MAJORITY OF US DOMESTIC TERRORISTS all profess to be Christians.

  19. P242 – The Catholic Church teaches that God Inspired the Bible, bur Man runs the Church.

    X60 – Jesus did not mention either homosexuality or abortion.

  20. pazzo242 says:

    xring–The churches of old were places that believers could gather to hide from the Roman thugs looking to slaughter them–thus it morphed into what we have today. The Bible does not talk about churches but only to say that when two or more gather in His name He will be there. All one have to do is review Mathew and he finds those who gather to be show offs–“See I’m at church, aren’t I wonderful”–is actually against what Jesus taught. Mathew talks about having the love of God in your heart and that was the way it was suppose to work.

    Have many people violated Bible teachings–without a doubt, but as I have stated before it is what is in the heart that makes you a Christian or fake Christian. Anything I deplore (but have to forgive) is C&E Christians (Christmas & Easter).

  21. “pazzo242 says:
    April 2, 2011 at 11:55 am
    X_6zero–you obviously did not read my post–which is not uncommon for you. I CLEARLY stated that anyone who does those acts in the name of God are heritics. I also stated that these acts are by the individuals and have nothing to do with Christ. They only use Christ as a cover to mask their crimes.”
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    Yeah, I read your apologist approach. More directly, as to not be misunderstood….

    To equate the actions of a handful of Muslims to Islam is to equate the actions of the KKK to Christianity.

    Get it that time?

    I get real tired of the “real Christians” excuse…all the while painting a picture that all Muslims are terrorists.

  22. “Roncella says:
    April 2, 2011 at 9:57 am
    Andy, The Extreme Muslim Terrorists that masterminded and carried out 9-11 Were all muslims.
    ——————————————————————-

    The majority were Saudi and none were Iraqi……..

    So far the United States hasn’t been close to accurate in taking care of those that were truly guilty for our attack, but have slaughtered thousands on innocent civilians in the meantime.

    And you are concerned about a handful of terrorists……Think about a misguided country that has a larger defense mechanism than the entire world combined.

    “We have met the enemy and he is us”

  23. pazzo242 says:

    Zero–here is where I WILL agree with you–Not all Muslims are terrorists. But that is about it.
    What I don’t see is Muslims coming to the aid of Christians in any fashion–like we did in Serbia and Kuwait and to some extent in Libya. What I don’t see is Christians calling for the annihilation of Muslims like the Muslims do about the Jews in every place they dwell. Christians do not riot when someone burns a Bible and chat “Death to (pick whomever)” when someone draws a caricature of Jesus, unlike the 1000’s of Muslims who did exactly that today while killing 4 guards at the UN Compound in Afghanistan.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7361495n

    This is something that goes on and on, neither you nor anyone else can deny it. There is a terrible violent streak in the Muslim Religion and it is growing day after day. Anyone who is not seeing that is in true denial. I am not blind when I say I don’t see it in Christianity.

  24. The namby-pamby liberals on this forum seem to be trying to make two separate arguments – one being that the burning of the koran is responsible for those idiots going on a rampage and killing innocent people. And the other argument is that since there are references to killing in the Bible then it in some way nullifies any condemnation of the actions of radical muslims to commit murder because a book was burned..

    Both arguments are pansy-assed excuses for how crazy the crazy elements of islam are.

    Burn a Bible and see how many will riot in the streets and start killing – simple enough difference right there for the simple-minded who want to make excuses….

    Or just start throwing korans into pig stys to see even more of these idiots coming out of the woodwork.

    Furthermore, but I have not heard too much from our local muslim community either way. Seems they should at least condemn the murders even if they are not inclined to diffuse the issue about koran burnings by just stating it doesn’t matter what a non-muslim does to a koran. Otherwise their silence hints of their tacit support to murder in the name of their religion and a lack of commonsense to point out that a koran is only holy to muslims – to anyone else it is just as book that can be burned.

    Silence from American muslims hints at more concern here at home than crazed mohammedammers rampaging in Afghanistan… what with the silence of American-muslims, and liberal nincompoops blaming a book burning fro murders committed rather than the actual murderers,

  25. P242 – I would go one-step further. Just as not all Muslims are Terrorists, Not all terrorists are Muslim.

    Northsec – I dare say you could burn a bible in the middle of Times Square and no one would die.

  26. pazzo242 says:

    xring–yes, not all terrorist are Muslim; Timothy McVeigh, KKK, IRA, Nazi’s, etc are all examples of that. But the vast majority of terrorist acts (at the present time and long before 9/11) have been Muslims–no ifs, ands, or buts.

    As for burning the Bible–the history speaks for itself and that is only condemnation and not rioting or killing. We will just shake our heads in wonder. Will we be angry–without a doubt but to date I have not seen killing and mayhem over a Bible burning party–and there have been several of those.

    When you buy a Bible from the store to burn it is only a book at that time. If you buy a Bible to read and heed it becomes something more sacred.

  27. northsc – quite a strawman you got going there.

    Never said that the the Taliban wasn’t a group of crazed jerks. But that doesn’t mean that Terry Jones isn’t a crazed jerk.

    You (and Jones) point to the actions of extremists and then blame all practioners of the faith. Then you turn around and claim that anyone who points out the difference between apostate sects and the faith at large is an apologist for the lunatic fringe.

    And, the argument that the moderates haven’t spoken up isn’t supported by reality – perhaps the biggest straw man of them all. When Christian terrorists murdered abortion doctors I don’t remember a huge outpouring of mainstream Christians condemning the actions but I didn’t make the huge leap of faith that you have and then point the finger at them.

  28. a Bible burning party–and there have been several of those.

    googled it – found reference to the US Military, Israeli Jews, the Amazing Grace Baptist Church in North Carolina but no examples of Muslims doing the burning of bibles.

    Now why is that? Could be that the Koran decrees that Muslims must respect the Koran, Torah and the Bible.
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/09/09/why-muslims-dare-not-burn-the-bible-in-return/

  29. Terry Jones should go to Afghanistan and pull his little publicity stunt there…..without any military protection.

    And/or he should go talk to every family member of those who have been put at risk through his selfish self-promotion.

  30. Roncella says:

    beeBoy, Its too bad the Koran does not teach more Muslims to be MORE tolerent and respectful of Jews, Christians and members of society like Gays, Women.

    Just think what an immediate difference it would make to the World Now.

  31. “Roncella says:
    April 3, 2011 at 9:04 am
    beeBoy, Its too bad the Koran does not teach more Muslims to be MORE tolerent and respectful of Jews, Christians and members of society like Gays, Women.
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    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    The Christian Bible speaks of “equally yoked”. We won’t even go into the discrimination of women and gays in the Old Testament.

  32. “pazzo242 says:
    April 2, 2011 at 4:50 pm
    Zero–here is where I WILL agree with you–Not all Muslims are terrorists. But that is about it.
    What I don’t see is Muslims coming to the aid of Christians in any fashion”
    ———————————————————————

    Someone missed the video of Iranians crying in the streets of Teran after the 9/11/01 attack on the US.

    Someone missed that Muslims fought along side US Christian soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The bigotry goes on…..

  33. How many Muslims were among the first responders after 9/11?

  34. “northsc says:
    April 2, 2011 at 6:15 pm
    The namby-pamby liberals on this forum seem to be trying to make two separate arguments – one being that the burning of the koran is responsible for those idiots going on a rampage and killing innocent people.”
    ————————————————————-
    What’s your excuse for the behavior of the KKK or the Army of God?

  35. pazzo
    Your argument is that most “terrorist” acts are committed by Muslims, that is only because you are convinced that Muslims are terrorists.
    You simply fail to label “terrorist” acts committed by Christians as “terrorist” acts because you don’t believe Christians are “terrorists”.
    You seem to think that atrocities committed in the name of your God are somehow different and thus non-“terrorist”; those are just crazy and violent people who happen to also share your faith, right?.
    Also you have seemed to draw a very distinct line between Jesus and God. Very interesting.

  36. ItalianSpring says:

    The Crusades were great military expeditions undertaken by the Christian nations of Europe for the purpose of rescuing the holy places of Palestine from the hands of the Mohammedans.

    The other 9-11: September 11th, 1683, the day when an alliance of Christian armies led by Jan III Sobieski, the King of Poland, arrived at the Gates of Vienna.

    Wherever the Muslim armies went, they plundered cities, took slaves, turned churches into mosques, and converted many thousands of Christian captives to Islam at the point of a sword.

  37. beerboy and the x’s,

    Typical references to bad history of Christianity to justify murder b y muslims today.

    Blaming a publicity seeking pastor for the murderous actions of others half-way around the world is totally ridiculous.

    I am not making a case for Christianity over any other religion – although many of you often take pleasure in chunking your rocks at Christians. Taking the ultimate liberal views you all profess constantly on this forum, seems now that y’all have crossed your wires on this issue. Simply stick with your liberalism and state that freedom of speech trumps religion – that burning a book, no matter how holy it may be to those poor souls you pity for being duped into any who religious belief, is just a book that was burned as a form of free speech.

    Trying to make excuses for murders and rampages because a book was burned – in expressing freedom of speech – sort of puts y’all on the other side of the fence that you constantly are harping about on this forum.

    Either you don’t have any firm ethical standards, or you just want to argue your inane points for the sake of argument – either way you guys pretty much showed your true colors by excusing murder as a means to express objection to freedom of speech.

    Gutless is the best description of your posts.

  38. Novelist3 says:

    Funny, I was under the impression that these wars were fueled by Muslims flying planes into buildings. Silly me.

  39. All the barbaric punishment of crimes, the mistreatment of women, the beheadings, and other dark age techniques that Pazzo ascribes to Muslims as he compares them to the benevolence of Christianity in the New Testament, pales in the face of the ultimate, eternal dark age mistreatment of human beings.., That of eternal torture for simply not believing in Jesus. Perhaps in the future, there will be a third God authored testament to the bible which will acknowledge that all mistreatment and torture of any of God’s creatures, human or otherwise, temporary or eternal, will be recognized as an evil of primitive minds.

  40. Nortsc
    Burning the Koran, or any book, is wrong.

    The fact that burning just one Koran set of the latest outrages in Afghanistan just goes to show how dedicated Muslins are to their beliefs. A fact many westerns are unable to grasp.

    How do you feel when you see the Stars and Stripes being burned?

    9/11 was not the open shot of this war. Nor was it the first attempt at an attack on US soil.

    bB
    Terry Jones in Afghanistan – I’ll bet on the Afghanis, with or without military protection.

    X60
    They also missed the video of ‘Palestinian Gunmen’ trying to stop other Palestinians from celebrating 9/11.

    Also how many Muslims worked and died in the Twin Towers. Enough that there was a Mosque in each Tower.

    I_S
    ‘Muslims armies plundered took slaves etc’ – So did the Crusaders, and unlike Muslims they did it to Christians and Muslims with near equal fervor. The Crusaders also sacked Constantinople on their way to the Holy Lands.

  41. Nortsc
    Burning the Koran, or any book, is wrong.

    The fact that burning just one Koran set of the latest outrages in Afghanistan just goes to show how dedicated Muslins are to their beliefs. A fact many westerns are unable to grasp.

    How do you feel when you see the Stars and Stripes being burned?

    9/11 was not even the frist attack of the ,

    bB
    Terry Jones in Afghanistan – I’ll bet on the Afghanis, with or without military protection.

    X60
    They also missed the video of ‘Palestinian Gunmen’ trying to stop other Palestinians from celebrating 9/11.

    Also how many Muslims worked and died in the Twin Towers. Enough that there was a Mosque in each Tower.

    I_S – Muslims armies plundered took slaves etc – So did the Crusaders, and unlike Muslims they did it to Christians and Muslims with near equal fervor. The Crusaders also sacked Constantinople on their way to the Holy Lands.

  42. North – you’d like to make us believe that Muslims are the reason for the world’s problems and Christianity is the answer.

    Sorry, I’m not that ignorant.

  43. Some times I have problems getting things to post. Now I get double postings?

  44. “The fact that burning just one Koran set of the latest outrages in Afghanistan just goes to show how dedicated Muslins are to their beliefs. A fact many westerns are unable to grasp.”

    Remember that when someone shoots an abortion doctor… I hope you can grasp that they are “dedicated… … to their beliefs”. did you really think that one through when you wrote that?

    What Pastor doucebag did was wrong and not a crime… what the nutcase doucebags did in Afgahnistan was very wrong and a felony here in the relatively sane US of A.

  45. northsc – reread my posts. I, in no way, have rationalized or justified criminal actions by fundamentalists of any religion. I have, however, disputed claims that Christianity is somehow peaceful in contrast to other religions.

  46. rescuing the holy places of Palestine from the hands of the Mohammedans.</I.

    Would those be the holy places of Judaism, Christianity or Islam?

    Sorry but the three Abrahamic religions, sharing the same originator, share the same holy places.

  47. xRoll_On says:

    zero
    nough said

  48. X60 – they also missed the Egyptian Christians being protected by Egyptian Muslims at Tahrir Square.

  49. pazzo242 says:

    To Jellee on your written attack on me:

    Jellee wrote: “Your argument is that most “terrorist” acts are committed by Muslims, that is only because you are convinced that Muslims are terrorists.” Sorry to disappoint you but I specifically stated that not all Muslims are terrorist. Jellee, have been off the planet the past several years? Islamic terrorism is happening around all of us at an alarming rate. Not only are non-Muslims being attacked at shopping malls, buses, trains, airplanes, subways, etc, etc but so are Muslims because the Islamic extremist doesn’t care who he terrorizes, as long as he puts fear in the public so they will succumb to him.
    Jellee wrote: “You simply fail to label “terrorist” acts committed by Christians as “terrorist” acts because you don’t believe Christians are “terrorists”.” Sorry to disappoint you again but I pointed out many who claim to be Christians, such as the KKK, committing atrocities all the time. I will add in those who kill abortion doctors as well. I deplore the acts of the doctors and clinic workers but those who do that in the name of Jesus are violating God’s commandment of Thou Shall Not Kill.
    Jellee wrote: “You seem to think that atrocities committed in the name of your God are somehow different and thus non-“terrorist”; those are just crazy and violent people who happen to also share your faith, right?.” It is so obvious you have no clue what you are talking about and did not read my post. You are the quintessential example of those who spout off and think they can psychoanalyze others or twist what was other people wrote so you can have this demented idea that you are all knowing. You are so out of touch it is difficult to find a beginning and obviously there is no end to your delusional ramblings.

    Jellee wrote: “Also you have seemed to draw a very distinct line between Jesus and God. Very interesting. “ Have you even looked at a Bible? There is God the Father, The Son, Christ Jesus and The Holy Spirit. The Trilogy that Christians believe in. There is a distinction and at the same time they are one in the same. I know that might be a tough concept for you or anyone else to believe but that is the faith—take it or leave it. It’s up to you—there is nothing “Very interesting” about it.

  50. pazzo242 says:

    Oops–I meant to say Trinity–Trilogy—-duh!

  51. pazzo242 says:

    Some of you think that the Christians on this blog say it’s Ok if Christians kill in the name of God and I do believe I have said that is not true. As for this so-called pastor Jones he is just another in a long line of idiots who are trying to sabotaging the word of Jesus to his own making. There is NOTHING right about him burning the Quran or any other religious book or text. It has no place in society and he is a coward for not doing it in front of a Mosque, but instead in the confines of his church, under secrecy.

    At the same time I am sick of Muslims making death decrees on those who draw something unflattering about Mohammed or saying something against Islam or rioting & killing over what Jones did. Christians don’t kill when the Bible is burned, like when the Nazi’s and the USSR Communist did. Nor did we riot when an artist received a $15,000 award in 1989 from the National Endowment of the Arts for his 1987 photograph of a Crucifix submerged in a bottle of his own urine, calling it Piss Christ. Caricatures of Christ Jesus are pervasive and no one cries out for “death to the infidels” for these acts. Christians do what Jesus told us to do—“turn the other cheek”. Do we like it? No, we hate it, but we are also not rioting and killing because of it.

    Please don’t misunderstand me—I am not saying it is right to misrepresent Mohammed, on the contrary. But when its apples to apples the Muslims are not turning the other cheek and have a violent streak over something that should do nothing other than affirm their faith. Every time some bonehead bad mouth’s my faith the stronger it gets.

  52. Novelist3 says:

    “There is NOTHING right about him burning the Quran”

    You would equate that with murdering him for it?

  53. ItalianSpring says:

    How many Christians have beheaded people in the past 300 years? How many muslims have???????

  54. Just what about beheading (the favored capital punishment of the French Revolution) is worse than death by injection, electric chair, firing squad, hanging, cluster bombs, or any of the other myriad ways we visit death upon the multitudes? Dead is dead whether you have a head or not.

  55. pazzo – trilogy/trinity….they both come from popular mythologies. The Christian trinity, the Tolkien trilogy.

  56. pazzo – the extremist Islam clerics are just as rabid about caricatures of Jesus (or Moses or any other Abrahamic religious figure). Witness the death fatwa they called upon the playwright and producers of the play that featured Jesus having sexual feelings for his homosocial gathering of apostles.

    To clarify for the slow readers – the above paragraph in no way is meant to rationalize the absurd superstitious behavior of any fundamentalist sect – including Muslim fundies.

  57. “To clarify for the slow readers – the above paragraph in no way is meant to rationalize the absurd superstitious behavior of any fundamentalist sect – including Muslim fundies.”

    Thank you for going slow for us feeble minded folk…

    If the “extremist Islam cleric are just as rabid about caricatures of Jesus” aren’t they still wrong to call for any Fatwa calling for the death of anybody?

    We are making this discussion more complicated that if ever needs to be.

  58. Parkland says:

    Well Andy, the day someone can burn a koran or display a disparaging image of the mo-man without a bunch of people getting killed somewhere, I’ll accept that the majority of muslims have decided to join the rest of the human race. The muslim world continues to be oddly silent when it comes to addressing atrocities committed by other muslims in the name of their religion.

    As for you McCarthy reference, he died a broken and hated man at the bottom of a whiskey bottle. Yet, _not one time_ when he named names was he ever shown to be wrong in his accusations. Yes, it was condoned and encouraged that people hated and despised him. Congratulations to the leftists and communists out there who encouraged the hatred, and still do to this day.

  59. PART of a transcript from Hardball, MSNBC, Chuck Todd guest hosting…

    GHOSH: The thing to keep in mind that`s very important here is that the Koran to Muslims, it is not — it is not the same as the Bible to Christians.

    The Bible is a book written by men. It is acknowledged by Christians that it is written by men. It`s the story of Jesus.

    TODD: Yes.

    GHOSH: But the Koran, if you are a believer, if you`re a Muslim, the Koran is directly the word of God, not written by man. It is transcribed, is directly the word of God.

    That makes it sacred in a way that it`s hard to understand if you’re not Muslim. So the act of burning a Koran is much more — potentially much, much more inflammatory than –

    TODD: Directly attacking — directly attacking God.

    GHOSH: — than if you were to burn a — burn a Bible.

    TODD: Directly attacking God.

    If this is the twisted BS logic that some of you are listening to then I grudingly understand why you write what you write. These are suppose to be the “smart” people that we see on our TV’s

    The unkown Fifth Horseman…. TV and the Internet…

  60. “ItalianSpring says:
    April 4, 2011 at 5:31 am
    How many Christians have beheaded people in the past 300 years? How many muslims have???????
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    How many have drug a black man behind a truck in the past 10 years?

    How many have hung a black person in the past 150 years?

  61. Roncella says:

    Andy, Its is up to all of us to co-exist.

    However the Extreme Muslims who are intent on murdering Christians and Jews, and destroying America, Israel, make it extremely difficult to Co-Exist.

  62. Parkland you continue to oddly make the claim that the moderate Muslim community has been silent in condemning the atrocities by apostate fundamentalist Islamists.

    Quite awhile ago I posted a very long list of URLs that linked to stories about Muslims condemning al Qaeda and the Taliban. It was easy. A very quick google search came up with a multitude of links.

    But I won’t do it again because it is clear that the truth isn’t important to you.

  63. “How many have drug a black man behind a truck in the past 10 years?”

    It wasn’t done in the name of God or religon. It was done because they simply didn’t like black folk and were murderers.

    “How many have hung a black person in the past 150 years?”

    ditto my statement from above…

    This is a distraction from the fact that a small group of fanatics take their religon and twist it to the point that a murder is justified…

  64. Parkland says:

    bb: “But I won’t do it again because it is clear that the truth isn’t important to you.”

    I live in the real world. In the real world, when a person bombs or murders in the name of Christianity, the entire Christian world loudly and fervently condemns those actions. In the real world, when a Danish newspaper showed sketches of mohammad with a bomb in his turban, it sparked days of violent protests all over Europe involving hundreds of thousands of irked muslims.

    That’s the real world.

  65. In the real world, truth matters.

    Effective anti-terrorist efforts must be based upon reality – not bigotry.

  66. Parkland says:

    bb: “Effective anti-terrorist efforts must be based upon reality – not bigotry.”

    Yes, when I look through my eyes and describe what I see, that couldn’t possibly be anything but bigotry.

    You lefties are just too precious.

  67. “It wasn’t done in the name of God or religon. It was done because they simply didn’t like black folk and were murderers.

    “How many have hung a black person in the past 150 years?”
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    You can choose to ignore the KKK and their sworn relationship to Christianity if you’d like. Please don’t expect me to select that ignorance. More importantly, I should point out that their’s is Protestant Christianity as they are also anti-catholic and anti-Jewish.

    To say it’s not about religion is intellectually dishonest.

  68. All of these complaints about Muslims murdering seem to ignore the killing of thousands of Muslim citizens that took place during “Shock and Awe”

    Iraqi citizens did nothing to the United States. Carpet bombing was nothing short of murder.

  69. Parkland – explain why Muslims are “murderers” but carpet bombing of innocent citizens is not.

    You’ll find “bigotry” somewhere in the explanation.

  70. Parkland says:

    Put down the kool-aid, homes. There’s not a whole lot more unbecoming than a tool of the left repeating lies and propaganda.

  71. “To say it’s not about religion is intellectually dishonest.”

    I am saying the prime motivator for the KKK is not religion. They were murderers pure and simple.

    As were the douchbags in Afghanistan, they were murderers pure and simple. Their motives were skewed.

  72. “pazzo242 says:
    April 4, 2011 at 1:44 am
    Some of you think that the Christians on this blog say it’s Ok if Christians kill in the name of God”
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    And some of you think that Muslims are all terrorists.

  73. “I am saying the prime motivator for the KKK is not religion.”
    —————————————–

    Smack dab from the KKK website:

    “Bringing a Message of Hope and Deliverance to White Christian America!”

    Now if that isn’t a religious message…….

  74. Parkland – don’t have an answer to the question, do you?

  75. “And some of you think that Muslims are all terrorists.”

    Just slinging the feces again ain’t ya?

  76. X6 – murderers… that is what they all have in common… muderers

  77. xx – I’m not amazed, but I am amused at how everything that you disagree with is someone slinging fecal matter….and somehow yours smells like roses.

    At least be honest enough to quote me in context so that those afflicted with your reading skill level get a chance:
    —————————————————————————
    X_6zero says:
    April 4, 2011 at 3:09 pm
    “pazzo242 says:
    April 4, 2011 at 1:44 am
    Some of you think that the Christians on this blog say it’s Ok if Christians kill in the name of God”
    —————————————————–

    And some of you think that Muslims are all terrorists.

  78. Parkland says:

    You have no question worth answering. If you think that America has deliberately carpet bombed innocent civilians, than you’re a weak minded tool of the left and a fool.

  79. pazzo242 also stated the following:

    “Sorry to disappoint you but I specifically stated that not all Muslims are terrorist.”

    Once again with your twist and shout…

  80. “Parkland says:
    April 4, 2011 at 6:13 pm
    You have no question worth answering. If you think that America has deliberately carpet bombed innocent civilians, than you’re a weak minded tool of the left and a fool.”

    Only a fool would think you can carpet bomb and NOT kill innocent civilians. Oh, excuse me. We call them “collateral damage”

  81. Yeah, xx……you missed this pazzo wonder:

    Aside from the fact that Jesus made the claim (believe it or not) that he was the Son of the Father and the only way to the Father is through him and Mohammed never did there is one large fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity. Jesus brought us together by forgiveness and love. Mohammed did it by the way of the sword–conquering and killing. It is a heritage that speaks volumes.
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    Pazzo has made several blanket statements about Islam. You’d just like to pick and choose.

    Speaking of twist and shout……

  82. “X_6zero says:
    April 4, 2011 at 5:32 pm
    And some of you think that Muslims are all terrorists.”
    —————————————–

    Additionally, I said “some of you”, which would include others. northsc is a great example.

  83. Parkland –
    Basic US law, the accused has to be proven guilty. McCarthy failed to do so.

    When you look thru your eyes at a Muslim Terrorist, What do you see?

    If you don’t think the US has deliberately carpet bombed innocent civilians you need to look up the Fire Bombing of Dresden, Hamburg, Tokyo and 66 other Japanese cities. Then you should apologize to X60.

    I_S –
    ‘how many Christians have beheaded people in the past 300 years?’ Ever hear of Madam Guillotine?

    XX,
    Both the KKK and our opponents in Afghanistan cloak there activities ‘in the Name of God’ and use their religions to justify the killing. As in God says kill the ‘black/infidel’ because they are not of the True Faith.

  84. Yes, when I look through my eyes and describe what I see, that couldn’t possibly be anything but bigotry.

    You wrote it, not me.

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