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GOP: Trump just confirms his buffoon status

Letter by Charles C. Burchfield, Gig Harbor on March 31, 2011 at 11:53 am with 206 Comments »
March 31, 2011 11:53 am

Having recently jumped in the honey bucket with the birther crazies, Donald Trump only confirmed what many have known for years – that he’s a bona fide buffoon.

The time is long overdue to remind ourselves of Republicans’ attempts to change the Constitution so as to have allowed Arnold Schwarzenegger to run for president.

Most stunning is that the Republicans are not even remotely embarrassed by such blatant hypocrisy.

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  1. Hey Charles, I suggest you stop viewing MSNBC, CNN, ABC, and probably
    the View – You know, the program with all those dizzy dames. You really need to start viewing Fox News. “You may become enlightened!”

  2. Donald Trump has always been a showman and you writing a letter to the editor is proof of his effect on the media landscape. Why did you write this letter did you not have something else to do… a pedicure maybe.

    Arnold for 2012 – this is nothing more than one of those brush fires that get people talking and talking and talking and sure enough it masqurades as a serious run at the office. After what he did to California… please stop now. Nobody attempted to change the Constitution for Arnold.

    Nobody has annouced, therefore no one is running for the Republican nomination for President. Until you formally annouce you are just a poser.

    To the letter reader at the TNT that has to read this drivel to choose the one jewel that makes it to the website… get a new job, your self esteem will start to rise as you head for the parking lot.

  3. Not a big Ahnold fan but…..to be fair…..no one could deal with the trench warfare that both sides of the ideological divide have engaged in. Take no prisoners makes the “art of the possible” rather inpossible.

  4. impossible to edit typos…..

  5. Do the ring-wing zombies really believe that if there was any proof to this ‘birther’ garbage, the mighty republicorp sugar pimps would not have already found and published it?

    This is just another none issue designed to distract the base by saying watch my left hand so I can take your wallet and your freedoms with my right hand.

  6. mikemcdonnell says:

    The PERFECT TICKET

    Trump/Palin or Palin/Trump (but trump will never go for vp)

    Do we want someone for president who would evict an elderly widow out of her home to add on to his (failed) casino, later losing all the investors money?

  7. This letter reads like a xring post.

    When did Republicans try to “change the Constitution so as to have allowed Arnold Schwarzenegger to run for president.” Musta’ missed that one, which… would be hard to do since you can bet the MSM would have crucified them for such an attempt.

    “Most stunning is that the Republicans are not even remotely embarrassed by such blatant hypocrisy.”

    So… by using this as an example of “hypocrisy”, would that not mean that the writer accepts that 0bama was not born in the US?

    Just sayin’.

    For every Donald Trump, there is a truther – like Michael Moore.

  8. Trump has the liberals worried. Why else would another Gig Harbor liberal be all upset about what Trump says? There must be an element of truth to the concern about Obama’s status to keep the liberals so defensive. Keep talking about it Trump, this is fun.

  9. I read on the internet Donald Trump is actually going to challenge Obama for the Democratic nomination for President 2012.

    It’s on the internet so it must be true.

    The Donald 2012!!!

  10. “Real estate mogul Donald Trump says he is seriously thinking about running for president but won’t make a final decision until summer.Appearing on CNN’s “Piers Morgan … – CNN”
    ——————————————————————————————–

    Shhhhhhhhhh….it was on CNN, so that makes it wrong also.

  11. Uscha– but the conservatives actually believe that such a thing is possible – after all didn’t they hear it on Fox Entertainment?

  12. taxedenoughintacoma says:

    At least when you ask him a question he tells you his answer in just a few words. Not a 15 minute diatribe like obama does. I find his answers refreshing.

    If dems want to make the birth cert. issue go away, tell obama to show the damn thing. He has something to hide not showing the BC or he is just using this issue to stir the pot. Either way lets make the issue go away, have him show the BC and this cert. of birth doesn’t count. You can’t even use this to get a drivers license, except in WA State where you don’t need to prove your a citizen of the USA.

    Show the BC and put this issue to bed and lets all move on.

    Run Trump run.

  13. I read on the internet that a group representing the Hairclub for Men are demanding Donald Trump show whether his hair is real or a toupee. No comment from The Donald. He is still reported challenging Obama for the Democratic nomination for President 2012.

    It’s on the internet so it must be true.

    The Donald 2012!!!

  14. Roncella says:

    Well the Liberal/dems. are on the attack with Trump. He has barely announced he is running for President and Wow, the attacks have already started.

    I think its great that he is making an issue of not only the Birth Certificate missing, but years when he was very young and some college years where no one remembers him and his college records are under lock-up, no one remembers him at school, its very odd.

    Trump will beat the drum until maybe we all will finally get to see Obama’s birth certificate and put the issue to rest once and for all.

    By the way you liberals can make fun of his wigs, but Trump could teach President Obama alot about job creation ending unemployment, business ventures of all kinds restoring the realstate markets so many things Obama could learn from Trump !!!!!

  15. C’mon xring, put some humor into it! As an example, “two liberal men were at a
    Halloween party with burnt faces. They were asked what happened? And they
    answered, “we were bobbing for french fries!” Another one. “Have you seen the new Liberal jigsaw puzzle? One piece!” And the final one. A liberal was running after the garbage truck, yelling “Am I too late for the garbage?” “No, jump in!” ENJOY!

  16. whatIdid says:

    “The time is long overdue to remind ourselves of Republicans’ attempts to change the Constitution so as to have allowed Arnold Schwarzenegger to run for president.”

    I’m not aware of republicans (or moderates) trying to change the constitution so Arnold could run (nice obfuscation AND counter accuse Chuck)… heck that would just make it easier for …. say, a Kenyan… to run at a later date.

    Does anyone (snail ?) think Arnie would even come close to being nominated? Weird and kooky letter…

  17. @xx re Hairclub
    ;-)

  18. Trump/Rivers

  19. 0bama/Sheen

  20. Rollo_Tomassi says:

    LOL!

    Charles got some of you to defend Trump’s presidential ambitions! You took the bait and swallowed the hook. Think about. Do you really want to see more of The Donald’s antics on your TV?

  21. The Family Values Council of America has given their seal of approval and plan to endorse Donald Trump as a Democratic candidate for President. The Council also stated there is no truth to the rumour that in exchange for the endorsement, the Executive Board did not receive a weekend comp to the Taj Mahal in Atlantic City. They had no comment to the rumour of exclusive tickets to the VIP Champaign Room.

    I read it on the internet so it must be true.

    The Donald 2012!!!

  22. XX – be careful what you ask for – you may just get it.

    Senior Bush Suggests That Schwarzenegger Could Someday Become President

    http://WWW.ARNOLDEXPOSED.COM/ARTICLES/BUSH_HONORS_ARNOLD.HTM

    President Schwarzenegger? Arnold “Absolutely” Wants The Top Job (VIDEO)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/21/president-schwarzenegger_n_152728.html

    Ads to Back Schwarzenegger Presidential Bid

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138506,00.html

  23. xring – their are some things on the internet that can be safely ignored.

  24. menopaws says:

    Donald Trump can also teach our President about mis-managing corporate money and having to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy……….Yeah, we want him in charge of our economy……He sued the American Indian tribes because they ran their casinos better than he did and faulted them their tax status………Why are loser Republicans who can’t count even in this race???? The party has some bright, energetic people who are keeping quiet this election because all the rabid bats flew out of the cave. I watched a marvelous interview with Lindsey Graham today…….bright, informed, law degree, in the reserves as a Jag officer……….But, you guys want run the bimbo with the big hair and leather suits, or the guy with the hideous comb-over that is actually a big joke…….Go for it–it will make Goldwater’s loss look like a good thing…..Really want to believe this guy? I am guessing you have been taken to the cleaners by every used car salesman you have dealt with……Even Bill O’Reilly can’t stand him……

  25. Craiglist has denied that ads for “Cabinet Level Positions” in the employment section of their website are not being paid for by Donald Trump, reported Democratic candidate for president. The ads stated that the prospective candidate will be part of a group of candidates vying for a specific Cabinet position. Each candidate will be part of a group that will be tasked to perform tasks. One example from the ad reported that those for the Treasury Secretary will be required to complete a standard family tax return using a copy of the software program TurboTax. A certified accountant will monitor the process as well as the result. The Donald was not available for comment.

    I read it on the internet so it must be true.

    The Donald 2012!!!

  26. Deja_vu – not one of mine – the letter writer misspelled ‘republicon’ – twice.

    Xx – did you take the time to read the web address on the third link.
    In case you missed it the link is to ‘FOX NEWS’ .

  27. xring – don’t care… lighten up…

  28. The FBI is following up on reports of known Chinese agents that have been spotted with most of the rumour Republican Presidential candidates. It is speculated that a labor union representing Chinese loan sharks are concerned about a Trump presidency and the effect it will have on the fiscal gravy train they have been enjoying for the past few decades. Unofficial reports are that the Chinese equate a Trump presidency with equivalent trepidation as the Russians did Ronald Reagan during the period of the Cold War. When reach for comment, the Chinese Ambassador to the United States is quoted as saying “no habla ingles”

    I read it on the internet so it must be true.

    The Donald 2012!!!

  29. NWflyfisher says:

    Whether you agree or disagree with Mr. Trump, two things are certain:
    1. He doesn’t pull any punches telling you where he stands and
    2. He doesn’t need a teleprompter to tell it to you

  30. Teleprompters and birth certificates.

    I wonder where those jobs are that we were promised

  31. I have to disagree with the letter writer that claims Trump is a buffoon.

    He is no worse than Palin or Bachmann, who Bill Maher called “bimbos”

  32. Fibonacci says:

    uscha
    Did you hear about the two Republicans that walked into the building–you would have thought one of them would have seen it. Give it a rest huh?

    Roncella
    Yup the libera/dems (at least you gave your favorite blob “lame stream media” a rest) are quaking in their boots over Palin and Trump. If the Republicans were dumb enough to nominate either one of them Obama is a shoe in for another term.

  33. Parkland says:

    Charles Burchfield: “The time is long overdue to remind ourselves of Republicans’ attempts to change the Constitution so as to have allowed Arnold Schwarzenegger to run for president.”

    Okay, so what you’re saying is, there just might be something to this birther thing, while acknowledging that at least Republicans who may have lobbied for Schwarzenegger were trying the legal route. Interesting.

  34. Hey Fibonacci, did you hear about this tremendous game that 5 Liberals
    created? It took every bit of their intelligence they could muster. “It was a jigsaw puzzle. One piece!”

  35. taxedenoughintacoma says:

    Trump would make a good president but we must nominate someone that can beat obama. Trump can’t win because of many reasons. Love the guy but he is getting his 15 minutes and will move on soon enough.

  36. bobcat1a says:

    Please God, let the Republicans nominate The Donald as their candidate for president. Please, oh please!

  37. ItalianSpring says:

    Right on Parkland.
    Trump is not my choice for a candidate at all, but I can guarantee he would do a better job than the Obomba. But then that applies to most everyone.

  38. Trump will never ever run because he will have to reveal his money and he does not want anyone to find out that he doesn’t have near the money he has lead everyone to believe that he has. Beside the fact he is a piss more businessman that has bankrupted at least nine businesses (isn’t that how you get ahead in his world– run a business into the ground and get out of it by declaring bankruptcy) so all we would get by having him for a president is another bankrupting bush. But again, he would never want us to know he is not as rich as he wants us to think he is.

    By the by, Obama has shown his birth certificate. I believe it is on the white house website or Obama website. I saw it when this issue first came up, so what is the fuss all about. Mine is pretty strange looking too. I was born in Alaska as a air force brat (actually army air corp) before Alaska was a state. Mine really looks weird as far as Trump would be concerned but it happens to be legit.

  39. villager98 says:

    An copy President Obama’s official birth certificate from the State of Hawaii was published in newspapers come time ago. People who hate him would not believe any proof so trying to satisfy them is simply a waste of time and effort. Donald Trump is a buffoon, but sometimes a rather clever one, unlike Bachman, Palin, et al who may be pathetically ignorant or possibly just nuts. Could be The Donald is just putting on a show of how whacky the GOP has become.

  40. harleyrider1 says:

    This is the first President in U.S. history that no one, not in first grade, one neighbor on the block, a local grocer, fellow student from hundreds in junior highs school, anyone on the school basketball team, coach or from over 500 at his high school, the mailman – no one knows the guy.

    Not one person.

    His college records would provide his high school transcript, but they too have been sealed. The first president in U.S. history to remain ultra-secretive. It does make one pause and ask, “why”?

  41. Roncella says:

    menopaws, lighten up on the Obama koolaid already. The Donald is going to bring some excitement to the up coming presidential race.

    Most Republicans know he does not have a chance to beat the Great Community Organizor.

    It would be very entertaining to watch The Donald put heat on President Obama’s Policies, like Obamacare, bombing of Libya, totally deflated realestate market, extremely high unemployment, 4.00 a gallon for gas and going higher every week, Obama might actually have to answer some of the question The Donald will be asking him.

    Why won’t President Obama show his Birth Certificate for everyone to see ///

    We ha ve all seen the Certificate of Birth, most folks want to see his actual Birth Certificate, and the Donald might finally force him to show it ………

  42. Uh…..Roncella….try finding out what Trump submitted as proof of his birth….

  43. “harleyrider1 says:
    April 1, 2011 at 4:08 am
    This is the first President in U.S. history that no one, not in first grade, one neighbor on the block, a local grocer, fellow student from hundreds in junior highs school, anyone on the school basketball team, coach or from over 500 at his high school, the mailman – no one knows the guy.”
    —————————————————————————————————
    How many lies can you pack into one paragraph? I think we now know.

    The above piece of garbage was brought to you by Mr. “Non-Partisan We’re all Americans”

    ::::::::::::::eyeroll:::::::::::::::

  44. The year was 1979 and Hawaii’s Punahou High School basketball team was in the state finals, dominating, 32-11, at the half.

    Out on the court was No. 23, but long before Michael Jordan made that number famous, another player was standing out for other reasons. His name was Barry Obama.

    Sometimes called “Barry O’bomber” for his jump shot, that player is better known today as presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama. At least, that’s how he’s known everywhere else.

    Obama’s teammates Alan Lum and Dan Hale say those years with the kid they called “Barry” are some of their most memorable. The three friends were part of a basketball-obsessed group of students known as the “Rat-ballers.”

    “I mean in that forum of a basketball or a pickup game or you know, as a teammate. … He just had something about him. He had this charismatic nature,” Hale said.

    And despite the nice suits and crisp ties Obama currently wears, both men say they still see him as Barry. “I see Barry, but he’s a lot skinnier. … And he looks good,” Lum said.”

    Nobody knew him

    Now….before harleyrider goes off on “Barry”….just remember that George W Bush (not H. W. Bush) was known as “Junior” even though “Jr.” was not part of his name.

  45. …try finding out what Trump submitted as proof of his birth….

    An official copy of his (Trump)

  46. Also, jr bush was a convicted felon (also not allowed to be president in this country–if you have a felony on your record) I have a friend in Colorado who actually saw his record from the DUI he was convicted of when there. It magically disappeared prior to his running. (Her daughter was a friend of mine and called me about it when he was running.) She worked in the court clerk’s office, yet it magically disappeared from the court records.

    I sincerely believe that because of this and his less then stellar history at Bendover excuse me Andover College and refusing drug testing while in National Guard are reasons the republicans a/k/a racists are attacking this issue with Obama. He has shown his birth certificate — face it — it is out there if you want to get off your lazy ass and look it up and see it. All birth certificates do not look alike depending on the era and where you were born. Trump on the other hand, as I have said before won’t face the major issue — HE WILL NOT RUN as in the Wizard of OZ pay no attention to the man behind the curtain he is a fraud — he will not let us see he hasn’t got half the money he wants us to think he has. He bankrupts most of his businesses to get out of them — he is not a successful businessman — he bankrupts them to get out of them. He is literally a phony and he knows it. This is just his vaudeville act.

  47. “xx98411 says:
    April 1, 2011 at 7:03 am
    …try finding out what Trump submitted as proof of his birth….

    An official copy of his (Trump)”
    ——————————————————————————————
    How convenient to leave out the real story. First Trump submitted a hospital birth notice, which wouldn’t even get you a VISA, much less proof of citizenship.

    “A day after the presidential tease released what he said was his birth certificate — a document that POLITICO found was not actually official — Trump produced the real thing for ABC News.”

    It’s one thing to question Obama’s birth. Afterall, people with dark skin are not born in the United States. But when proving your own citizenship, you might want to at least submit the right document.

    This begs the question of the 3:00 am phone call……..

    “Did you know I’m sleeping with a new woman?????”

    Let me guess, Donald will run on a family values platform. LOL

  48. Isn’t calling someone “Junior” when his name doesn’t contain a “Jr” something of an insult – like “boy” or “son”? Doesn’t it strike a diminutive tone?

  49. Original Obama birth certificate unearthed in Harvard Law School library
    Birthers seize on document as evidence of “unconstitutional” presidency

    By Joe N.S. Indiana

    Published: Thursday, April 1, 2010

    The following article was originally published in the Harvard Law Record’s 2010 April Fool’s Day edition and was intended as satire. Many of the comments from birthers that follow, however, are very real.

    http://www.hlrecord.org/news/original-obama-birth-certificate-unearthed-in-harvard-law-school-library-1.1293452

  50. “In December 2006, talk show host Rosie O’Donnell criticized Trump on The View for “acting as a moral compass for 20-year-olds” after giving a second chance to Miss USA, Tara Conner, who had violated pageant guidelines by partying and drinking. Trump, who owns the rights to the pageant, decided to let Conner retain the Miss USA crown while she pursued rehabilitation. O’Donnell called Trump a snake oil salesman and claimed he was bankrupt. A tabloid war raged for several weeks thereafter between the two celebrities.Trump appeared on numerous TV shows slamming O’Donnell, calling her names, threatening to sue her, threatening to take away her partner Kelli and claimed that Barbara Walters regretted hiring O’Donnell. Walters denied the allegations.”

    This would be right up the Right Wing alley, so to speak.

  51. April Fool’s Day……it is great that there is a National Holiday devoted to birthers.

  52. “Cash on Hand: $15,466,043
    Debts: $434,954
    Date of last report: Dec 31 2008 12:00AM”

    So this fact, along with Roncella’s claim that Obama has in excess of $1 Billion in his 2012 warchest would stipulate that his campaign has raised over $985 million since January 1 of 2009.

    Since Roncella won’t provide sources, I have to rely on Opensecrets and good old math.

  53. “How convenient to leave out the real story. First Trump submitted a hospital birth notice, which wouldn’t even get you a VISA, much less proof of citizenship.”

    It is the real story, Trump presented an official birth certificate. But then again we have you to provide checks to all who disagree with you.

    It’s one thing to question Obama’s birth. Afterall, people with dark skin are not born in the United States. But when proving your own citizenship, you might want to at least submit the right document.

    The race card… precious…

    This begs the question of the 3:00 am phone call…….. “Did you know I’m sleeping with a new woman?????”

    We all could only wish…. ;)

    Let me guess, Donald will run on a family values platform. LOL

    My post was an early April’s fool. And my feeble, lighthearted contribution to this subject.

  54. The entire gop is made up of old white male lunatics. We see plenty of examples in here.

  55. I copy and paste it slower and b/f the important parts

    A day after the presidential tease released what he said was his birth certificate — a document that POLITICO found was not actually official — Trump produced the real thing for ABC News.”

    You see, first he didn’t submit the official document, then he did.

    Speaking of April Fools……

  56. “It’s one thing to question Obama’s birth. Afterall, people with dark skin are not born in the United States. But when proving your own citizenship, you might want to at least submit the right document.

    The race card… precious…”
    ——————————————————————————————

    Race card? Name one President who’s citizenship has ever been questioned. I love how the Right Wing plays the real race card and then accuses others when they notice.

    Denial…..precious.

  57. the3rdpigshouse says:

    Be sure to shoot the messenger before you address the message!

  58. Parkland says:

    I’ve never been big into the birther thing, like most people, not because I don’t wonder what it says, but because it used to be a dead horse. However, when you’re polling above 80% approval and have just made history and everyone’s hoping to keep their change, it was easy for him to take a pass.

    These days, it’s a bit different. Our Nobel Peace Prize recipient has escalated one war, not pulled out of another, and started a third. Gitmo is still open, the stimulus didn’t simulate anything except the pockets of the already very wealthy. Unemployment remains very high, energy prices are going through the roof, and high inflation is on the way according to most economists. In the meantime, Obama jet-sets around the country and world as though he won the Lotto, rather than taking the job as president.

    Because of this, a whole lot of people who didn’t give a hoot before are starting to think, what the heck is there that he doesn’t want anyone to see? I don’t mean just the birth certificate, but the college records as well. It’s much easier to be critical and ask these questions when you’re unemployed and can’t afford gas for your car. Trump doesn’t have a snowball’s chance, but since he’s revived this issue, it’s the apologists this time around who’re hysterical, which is fun to watch. Instead of simply mocking birthers and moving on, this time they’re having to defend something they’re unsure of, something that they are forced to accept on faith along, like a new religion. :)

  59. whatIdid says:

    X_zero says:
    March 31, 2011 at 7:07 pm
    I wonder where those jobs are that we were promised
    .
    Yea… we are too. Since we are still operating under a democrat budget ( 4 years of ) you may want to redirect your question.

  60. XX – and some things that are risky to ignore.

    X60 – maybe buffoon is a male bimbo.

    Taxed – I can just see the Donald filing for Chapter 11 on the Pentagon.

    Sldm – if he won, Donald would also have to let some else manage his money.

    Harley –
    Bush sealed the records for both his Military Service, and his terms as Governor of Texas.
    Can you remember your First Grade Teacher? How about hour high school gym teacher?

  61. Parkland says:

    Not the government’s job to create jobs. It’d be nice if they created the conditions, through lower business taxes, to allow the private sector to grow.

  62. Parkland says:

    xring: “Can you remember your First Grade Teacher? How about hour high school gym teacher?”

    Absolutely. Even through the haze of the 60’s and 70’s.

  63. “Name one President who’s citizenship has ever been questioned. I love how the Right Wing plays the real race card and then accuses others when they notice.”

    ALL Presidents (and Presidential candidates) have EVERYTHING questioned. That’s the BS game of politics. Doesn’t make it right. We, The People love this BS, and like a pig in crap, waller in it. Now with the internet even contribute massive chili fermented amounts of it to the collective cesspool.

    I have put on my pink latex jumpsuit so I can jump into the collective cesspool
    with you and offer the following…

    The birth certificate stuff was started way back when Hillary was wondering what the heck happened to her candidacy. It wasn’t the GOP that started this crap. The real first Black President – Bill Clinton (yeah I went there). Made some more than covert comments in South Carolina… Barack Obama, Jesse Jackson and Black… all in the same comment. Talk about playing the race card. Does it make it right, HELL NO, but please don’t play this sanctimonious crap and pretend innocence when you make a statement that would have communicated the same message if you had written…

    “It’s one thing to question Obama’s birth. But when proving your own citizenship, you might want to at least submit the right document.”

    You could have left out – “Afterall, people with dark skin are not born in the United States.” It’s a BS addition to the statement. Only you and your sick, twisted thinking can begin to justify why you added that.

    As a person of color myself, with a funny accent, it pisses me off to no end when a person of color plays the race card in an attempt to push white folk back off the plate. It pisses me off more when a person who is melanin challenge comes to the defense of a person of color using the race card as if that really helps…. No, I can guarantee that it does not help, it just serves to shut down any conversation and hopes of finding any common ground.

    You – X6 – rail against the GOP… when I have never heard a collective group – Democrats – talk about race more. That’s their filter. What is your opinion of the recent comments Shabazz and Farakan? Dem boys is might pissed at the Brother in da White House. They even used a word that can’t be used in polite company. Please….

    You got anything… ANYTHING…. Or in the words of a “great” American – coward. You are in fine company though, we have a nation full of them.

    Denial – my brown hairy one, I’ve lived that crap all my life. I don’t need you to remind me we live in a great nation of colors. We have a President of this United States. Regardless of color, he just sucks at his job.

  64. Roncella says:

    xx98411, Wow, What a straight forward and terrific reply Thanks a great post.

  65. Parkland says:

    xx, a powerful comment, thanks for that.

  66. “Name one President who’s citizenship has ever been questioned.“

    Become a student of history – then pop-off:

    http://library.thinkquest.org/TQ0312172/arthur.html

    Oh, and he was a white Republican. (Race card goes poof… again.)

    Are there even any fish remaining in the barrel?

  67. Just think what I would have said if I didn’t have my coffee… ;)

    This sort of race card stuff torques my jaw to no end… I have on a few occasions been looked at as an affirmative action baby because of this race BS. And I have seen both ends…

    Of all places the government at all levels are the worst when it comes to this race and gender stuff.

    I have never had an issue with it in the civilian world. Do the job they ask me to do, I get to keep my job. Do my job better then they ask me to do, I got a raise. Do my job, save and or make the company money… I got a raise and/or a promotion.

    Government – sorry we got a quota that really isn’t a quota.

    Republican hypocrisy… sorry, Democrat… kettle… black…

  68. I don’t care if it’s Trump, Bachman, Palin, or bozo the clown, I’ll vote for anyone other than Obama.

  69. whatIdid says:

    Amen xx98411.

  70. princessnancy says:

    I agree with Frosty, I’ll vote for anyone other than Obama. I think Trump would make an excellent president. He knows the value of a buck and he will make sure that the wealthiest of citizens pay their fair share of taxes. GO Donald!

  71. XX – There were also rumors that Warren G. Harding was either a quarter or eight black.

  72. Parkland says:

    xring, why do people obsess over his color? And while you’re at it, when I was growing up, Obama wouldn’t have been considered black anyway, he would have been referred to as Mulatto. That’s not what the “birther” thing is about, although that’s what apologist want it to become, because by doing so, they believe that they can shut down the conversation.

  73. Bozo the Clown is right up your alley, frosty. He fits right in there with Palin and the others.

  74. xx is a real statesperson when allowed a forum without question or contest.

    So “not talking” about race is not racist. Wonderful. Keep working on convincing us that you disagree with his POLICIES and THAT is why you question his birth place.

    His birth has been established and documented, yet the lie continues that it hasn’t. His attendence in college is close to legendary, considering his participation, yet the “questioning” continues.

    As a youth, I was the only caucasian on a basketball team. It was before the civil rights movement (as if that had anything to do with it). I witnessed racism and know it for what it is. Amazing how the calls just happened to go against our team when we played in the North End of Tacoma.

    As a youth, I stood at the finish line of a relay race and watch our anchor hit the tape first. According to the all-white judges, an all-white team from Orting won. Again, I was the only caucasian on our team.

    You can continue to parse and your cheerleaders can continue to cheer. Personally, I’ll avoid the ignorance that is mandatory to continue racism.

    What access should any person provide to their college records, in this day and age of ID theft?

  75. As to Chester A Arthur:

    Arthur was born on October 5, 1829 in Fairfield, Vermont to a Baptist preacher who had emigrated from the north of Ireland. He graduated from Union College in 1848, taught school, was admitted to the bar, and practiced law in New York City. Early in the Civil War he served as Quartermaster General of the State of New York.

    During Chester Arthur’s Vice-Presidential campaign alongside James A. Garfield, Arthur P. Hinman, an attorney who had apparently been hired by the members of the Democratic party, explored the “rumors that Arthur had been born in a foreign country, was not a natural-born citizen of the United States, and was thus, by the Constitution, ineligible for the vice-presidency.” When Hinman’s initial claim of a birth in Ireland failed to gain traction, he maintained instead that Arthur was born in Canada and lobbied the press for support while searching for Arthur’s birth records, eventually in vain. After Arthur had become President due to Garfield’s assassination, Hinman published a pamphlet aimed to cast doubt on Arthur’s presidential eligibility.
    ——————————————
    Whereas someone did, in fact attempt to malign Arthur’s birth, it had implications of countries that were overwhelmingly caucasian. To equate it to the Obama Lies is quite intellectually dishonest. Of course I must keep in mind with whom I am arguing.

    So far, the Reich Wing has stipulated the following about Obama:

    1. He is Muslim (which would have nothing to do with holding presidency
    2. He is Black Liberation Christian (which would also not disclude him)
    3. He was born in Indonesia
    4. He was born in Kenya

    When any one of you can supply the name of a president or candidate that has had such lies told about him, I’ll acqiesce

    Meanwhile, add to these lies, the racist imagery that has been declared “humor”……

    Regardless of the excuses…..racism is still racism.

  76. “Parkland says:
    April 1, 2011 at 3:13 pm
    xring, why do people obsess over his color? And while you’re at it, when I was growing up, Obama wouldn’t have been considered black anyway, he would have been referred to as Mulatto. That’s not what the “birther” thing is about, although that’s what apologist want it to become, because by doing so, they believe that they can shut down the conversation.”
    —————————————————————————
    I’d love for the conversation to continue. The more you say, the more you bury yourself.

    As to the use of “Mulatto”…..keep growing up. That term is about as old and negative as the “N” word It also covered mixed race of Indian and caucasian. Interestingly enough, when the white slave master had a little sumthin’ sumthin’ with a black female slave, the offspring was just another slave.

    Are you trying to tell us that racists only hate bi-racial folks half as much? Or in the case of my grandchildren, the racists just hate the 1/16th that is black? Please fill me in.

    So….tell us again, then…what IS the ‘birther thing” all about? Since a birth certificate was supplied, the story should be over. I’d love to hear your next excuse.

  77. Here….let’s give the bigots something to deny:

    From Factcheck:

    In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document’s authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is “fake.”

    We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as “supporting documents” to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

    Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

    Analysis
    Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

    Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.

  78. Let’s repeat this part, as it just doesn’t seem to penetrate certain thick heads:

    We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as “supporting documents” to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

  79. “princessnancy says:
    April 1, 2011 at 12:29 pm
    I agree with Frosty, I’ll vote for anyone other than Obama. I think Trump would make an excellent president. He knows the value of a buck and he will make sure that the wealthiest of citizens pay their fair share of taxes.
    GO Donald!

    I had to read this twice to get the joke.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  80. “xx is a real statesperson when allowed a forum without question or contest.

    So “not talking” about race is not racist. Wonderful. Keep working on convincing us that you disagree with his POLICIES and THAT is why you question his birth place.”

    I never said not to talk about race. Have no clue where you get that…

    I do disagree with his policies…

    I have never, never questioned his birthplace.

  81. Parkland says:

    zero: “As to the use of “Mulatto”…..keep growing up. That term is about as old and negative as the “N” word It also covered mixed race of Indian and caucasian. Interestingly enough, when the white slave master had a little sumthin’ sumthin’ with a black female slave, the offspring was just another slave.”

    Hey, nice of you to Google it and tell us what you found, junior. Now, let me tell you what Mulatto meant when I was a kid: A black parent and a white parent. Of course, I’m sure you know way more about how the world was when I was a kid than I do.

  82. x6 – as far as the rest of your ramblings…

    boo hoo on your track stuff, welcome to life

    Chester Arthur – interesting, guess it worked out for him

    Racism is still racism… dude you are rambling and typical of those who have a prism that if life is unfair for a person of color then it must be racism… if it is true, deal with it…

    All presidents have had mucho lies told about them, such is the stench of politics… deal with it…

    Your logic with the mulatto thing was humourous

    Factcheck.org – like they are the arbiter for all that is factual… precious.

  83. Uh….Parkie……add the “6” and the “zero” together and what do you think you get?

    Just because you were ignorantly influenced doesn’t mean we all were.

    This whole conversation reminds me of reading a thread about gay marriage and the conservatives talking about how gay sex revolts them. Of course, they mean two men……because two women is DESIGNED for male consumption.

    Please……quickly….someone say “I have black friends”. We’re missing that.

  84. xx…….BS on your denial.

    I’ll trust Factcheck before I’ll trust your latest incantation.

  85. “As a person of color myself, with a funny accent, it pisses me off to no end when a person of color plays the race card in an attempt to push white folk back off the plate. It pisses me off more when a person who is melanin challenge comes to the defense of a person of color using the race card as if that really helps…. ”

    It’s amazing what we can be on the internet. I”m Mao Tse Dung reincarnated.

    Barack Obama would not be questioned on his birthplace if not for the color of his skin and regardless of what color you claim to be.

    Did I play the race card twice?

  86. “Please……quickly….someone say “I have black friends”. We’re missing that.”

    WHY… it is irrelevant to the conversation. We don’t need to have a quota on friends who are a different race.

    Deal with it… there are some people who don’t like me because of the color of my skin… I kinda assume I won’t be coming over for dinner…

    Let’s toss the gay stuff in now… precious… you are a stereotype.

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/03/31/republican-hypocrisy/#ixzz1IJrKISbS

  87. “xx…….BS on your denial.”

    What denial???

  88. “Name one President who’s citizenship has ever been questioned.“

    Asked and answered, Chester A Arthur, a white Republican.

    “Whereas someone did, in fact attempt to malign Arthur’s birth, it had implications of countries that were overwhelmingly caucasian.“

    Overwhelmingly caucasian? LMAO! Better response: “Touché oxb0!“

    “To equate it to the Obama Lies is quite intellectually dishonest. Of course I must keep in mind with whom I am arguing.“

    The only attempt to “equate“ being done here has been by you. Or is that equivocate?

  89. You played the card… multiple times… I called you on it as it was irrelevant to the issue of Trump… birth certificates… and Obama

  90. Parkland says:

    zero: “Just because you were ignorantly influenced doesn’t mean we all were.”

    Put another way, just because you’re ashamed of being white doesn’t mean we all are.

    I’m not ashamed of my parents for being white, and I wouldn’t expect anything less from anyone of any other person of any other race, and your comment is just another in a long line of racial diversions which are meaningless.

  91. xx…….is this refereeing of our joust like your claim of 20 “quality” legislative issues and when asked to provide 10……you provided none?

    Glib, yes. Depth none.

    oxbo – equate the Arthur lies to the Obama lies as you’d like. I’m not ignorant enough to ignore the racial (bigoted) implications.

    Although it’s interesting that Arthur’s father was Irish and that the Irish immigrants were distained because they “took all the work” from “Americans” (100 years after becoming a country).

    Although Irish are considered caucasian, the implication of bigotry was just as vile. When the attempt to tie him to Irish didn’t work, the liar just changed locations.

  92. Is that your response… you got nothing…

    Here we go… the racist prizm… let’s throw NINA in there…

    Yeah look at the Irish now… they have a day and a damn good parade goin’ on…

  93. “Parkland says:
    April 1, 2011 at 5:15 pm
    zero: “Just because you were ignorantly influenced doesn’t mean we all were.”

    Put another way, just because you’re ashamed of being white doesn’t mean we all are.

    I’m not ashamed of my parents for being white, and I wouldn’t expect anything less from anyone of any other person of any other race, and your comment is just another in a long line of racial diversions which are meaningless.”
    ———————————————————————————-
    Who said anything about “white pride”? Now we are getting to the root….

    I was born in 1951, Parkie, thus your “Junior” bit is taken as intended – an attempt to elevate your position in the conversation by minimizing me.

    I’ll be more to the point. “Mullato” is a word that would have probably gotten you a butt whipping just as well as……..well….you know. So if you are such a golden oldie, you would have known that, or not been taught any better.

    Continue on your enlightened path. It will make you quite a social animal as the years go on.

  94. xx…..now you are going to deny the bigotry extended toward the Irish? How about the Chinese and Japanese? Might as well deny that also.

    You had an opportunity to prove your intellect yesterday. You said 20 issues, I said “quote 10″…..you provided nothing. I called your bluff and I’m still calling it.

  95. Parkland says:

    zero: “Who said anything about “white pride”? Now we are getting to the root….”

    Nice try. Junior.

  96. “xx98411 says:
    April 1, 2011 at 5:06 pm
    You played the card… multiple times… I called you on it as it was irrelevant to the issue of Trump… birth certificates… and Obama
    —————————————————————————-

    This is from the person that denies the reliability of Factcheck. LOL

    “Factcheck isn’t reliable, but if I say something, that makes it so” LOL

    Sorry, it’s not working for me. Trump pulled the birth certificate routine because it appeals to a low common denominator. Racism at its finest.

  97. Parkie – you brought up “white pride”……..don’t worry, you can outgrow the complex. Even the former governor of Alabama apologized for his behavior.

  98. “Now we are getting to the root….”

    Now that I have my pink latex on for the community cesspool here goes…

    So it’s ok for me to proclaim “Hispanic Power” but my melanin challenged brother – Parkland – can not.

    Parkland – it seems I have the card I can play so I’ll say it for ya – I am pasty white and I am proud… ;)

    I said the Irish have done OK – they have a DAY and a PARADE and a SAINT… can you say you got all that goin’ on… I can’t… I’m jealous… but I have been know to be Irish on more than that one day :0

  99. Parkland says:

    zero: ‘Parkie – you brought up “white pride”……..don’t worry, you can outgrow the complex. Even the former governor of Alabama apologized for his behavior.”

    You’re a funny guy. :) The racism thing is all you have, we get it. Junior.

  100. Dude… delusional, take the meds… never said they weren’t reliable… who are you arguing with???

    You don’t know Trumps motive… none of us do…

    “Racisim at its finest” you are a stereotype…

  101. “This is from the person that denies the reliability of Factcheck. LOL”

    You really are a hoot. Now you find factcheck.org reliable? Even after you expressed that they have no credibility after you read this little debunking of the Walker lies you had been parroting?

    http://factcheck.org/2011/03/walkers-tax-cuts/

    But you probably trusted factcheck before you didn’t trust factcheck until now you do.

    Priceless.

    Mercury or amoeba, which is it?

  102. whatIdid says:

    • Polago wrote on 03/06/2009 07:00:34 PM:
    I’m not like most here, Don. I think. I understand. I don’t repeat rhetoric. I don’t trash people.

    …………………………..

    Polago says:
    April 1, 2011 at 3:25 pm
    Bozo the Clown is right up your alley, frosty. He fits right in there with Palin and the others.

    …………………………
    ;)

  103. whatIdid says:

    LOL… “…not embarrassed by such blatant hypocrisy.”

  104. “Factcheck.org – like they are the arbiter for all that is factual… precious.
    “Dude… delusional, take the meds… never said they weren’t reliable… who are you arguing with???”
    ————————————————————————–
    Now both of the above comments came from XX. Would we say comment number one endorses Factcheck?
    ————————————————————————–
    uh….boltcutter….er uh I mean xobo…….I disputed Politicfact, not Factcheck. There is a difference, but nice try anyway. I knew you’d be back, after my post on the blog…..LMAO

  105. scarcasm – sorry… you missed it.

  106. xRoll_On says:

    Hey snail (aka the zero, zilch) you are just doing your usual. You dominate every letter with troll crap. Do you not have a life? It appears not. To use your word, gawd! Why don’t you just go away? We haven’t seen your stalker in a while, she needs to put you in your place, or perhaps it was just you stalking yourself?

  107. “http://factcheck.org/2011/03/walkers-tax-cuts/
    March 4th posting.

    How about something a little closer to current? I think you’ll find that many things have changed – for instance, the budget proposed is 1% more than the previous budget, on and on, etc, etc.

    Walker wouldn’t know truth if it hit him in the face. He and his crew have scrubbed websites so many times no one knows the truth.

    The nicest part about it is that the Judge let him know who is boss in the court.

  108. xx….sarcasm….like the sarcasm about 20 quality pieces of legislation handled by Boehner and company?

  109. “xx….sarcasm….like the sarcasm about 20 quality pieces of legislation handled by Boehner and company?”

    nope, not applicable… agan you missed it…

  110. Is this a good time to ask which specific policies of Obama’s that you disagree?

    I’m expecting a good dodge.

    Meanwhile, I’ve figured out that the reason why the Birthers have selected Kenya as his birthplace is because of Obama’s mother, thus it’s not racial after all. (heavy sarcasm applied)

  111. Roll_On – aka xRoll_On:

    The adults are trying to have a coversation about the letter and the social implications of continued racism directed toward the President. Children need to not interupt.

    So, you are calling my stalker a stalker? Thanks for noticing. Now if you only realized how numb to reality you are…….

  112. OK….I’ll make it easy……5 pieces of quality legislation by the current Congress and 3 precise policies……

  113. Why are looking for quality legislation from me and what I think they are?

    The point was that the quality of the legislation is more important than the volume of legislation.

    A liberal would list legislation that is different that a conservative… that’s a duh!

  114. and no this is not racial… sarcasm or not…

  115. xRoll_On says:

    Whatever slime boy. You got nothing. You are a troll with a racial bent. Go back to the South end paper.

  116. “I disputed Politicfact, not Factcheck… ”

    The link was clearly to Factcheck, but wriggle away, hypocrisy stinks.

  117. “xRoll_On says:
    April 1, 2011 at 7:31 pm
    Whatever slime boy. You got nothing. You are a troll with a racial bent. Go back to the South end paper.
    ——————————————————————————–

    How trollish of you! Did you have something to contribute to the forum or just here to play Facebook with us?

  118. “oxb0 says:
    April 1, 2011 at 7:35 pm
    “I disputed Politicfact, not Factcheck… ”

    The link was clearly to Factcheck, but wriggle away, hypocrisy stinks.”
    ——————————————————————-

    Put down the pipe.

    My dispute was with Politifact, a couple of weeks ago.

    The Factcheck that you posted is almost a month old and I answered that on this forum.

    Read slowly.

  119. xx…..still dodging the question……

    How Artful of you!

  120. “The point was that the quality of the legislation is more important than the volume of legislation.”

    And the point is that you cited NOTHING, therefore your assertion means NOTHING.

    If the quality is NOTHING and the quantity is NOTHING.

    Sum total = NOTHING, which is exactly what you’d submitted.

    Maybe we should return to the word “ambiguity” that you wanted to debate also.

  121. As if you were like the Professor we have in the house that is white, you ask for specific examples that were not the point of the conversation and yet another tangent that you are famous for.

    Second and most importantly I am not your itch to question and demand answers from. There was no dodge, I don’t like you and am your are not that important that I would spend the time, energy nor effort to research the answers.

    But for the online stuff, I don’t know you so I wouldn’t take it personally (if you get this reaction in real life then maybe you should take this personally… :)

    anyway… have a good night.

  122. Taxed – the fact is that the republicans don’t want the issue to go away. And regardless of what Obama would show the republicons would call it a fake.

    Oxb0: During the Civil War Chester Arthur served a Brigadier General in the New York State Militia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_A._Arthur

    However, you are correct about his place birth being questioned.

    To all: As for the race card – on these blogs, how often do you see Obama referred to as ‘MC Obama’.

    Anyone care to wager that MC is short for Man Child (i.e. boy)

  123. NWflyfisher says:

    Why are there virtually no public records of Barack H. Obama available and why has he spent over $1.5 million to keep them sealed?

  124. Nope, nothing racist at all about Rush’s “Obama the Magic Negro” song or the Teaparty posters caricaturing Obama as an African witch doctor, or the Obama monkey doll…….

    And Chester A. Arthur proves it!

  125. Several of you are revealing yourselves as closeted birthers with comments like Why are there virtually no public records of Barack H. Obama available and why has he spent over $1.5 million to keep them sealed?

    C’mon now……grow a pair…..stand up proud and say out loud…..”I’m a birther”

  126. NWflyfisher says:

    “Grow a pair”, beerBoy, and answer the question instead of taking the hard left way out by avoiding it and labeling me instead. Your coment exemplifies what a commenter in another forum termed “SLOP” – Standard Liberal Operating Procedure.

  127. NWflyfisher says:

    beerBoy: According to you, if I ask to see his Birth Certificate, that makes me a “Birther.” Following your logic, if I ask to see his academic records, that makes me an “Educator”, right. Like I said in my previous comment: SLOP.

  128. Parkland says:

    zero: “The adults are trying to have a coversation [sic] about the letter and the social implications of continued racism directed toward the President.”

    To put it accurately, you’re trying fervently to inject racism into a topic where racism is not a factor, as you think that by writing way too many comments accusing someone of racism, it’ll become accepted that racism is in fact the driving mechanism here. Sorry, bub, you’ll have to go back to Evergreen and take lefty tool 1.01 all over again.

  129. NWF — way to stand up for your beliefs! And extra points for claiming I am labeling you by labeling me as a SLOP, while blaming another poster for the degrading label. Yet another brave stance.

    As for me – I’m content to criticize the president based upon what he is doing now – not for birth certificates and/or college records that really have no weight at all except for those who are trying to find scandals where none exist.

  130. Parkie – I attended Western Washington long before Evergreen existed.

    Meanwhile, Yes….I want the conversation to be uncomfortable because, for too long people have gotten comfortable with racism because they don’t suffer the consequences.

  131. “NWflyfisher says:
    April 2, 2011 at 5:40 am
    Why are there virtually no public records of Barack H. Obama available and why has he spent over $1.5 million to keep them sealed?”
    ——————————————————————————-
    Another lie in the continuing list of lies. There are probably hundreds of PUBLIC documents, or thousands on Barack Obama.

    Private records are another thing and can be made private.

    How about releasing all your medical records to the public, NWF?

    The funny part of NWF’s lie is that he claims there are no public records yet claims to know how much was spent hiding the records that aren’t available.

  132. “Anyone care to wager that MC is short for Man Child (i.e. boy)”

    It’s also hip hop language, intended to say that only black people are into hip hop. Someone better tell all those white boys that are buying up the CDs.

  133. Parkland, its pretty clear that any criticism of 0bama results in a race card play by zero. He has a hand full of them.

    And xx has the zero MO nailed; post an equivocation, never concede the truth, instead deflect, and then take the deflection off on a tangent – intended or otherwise. When what little credibility existed is gone, change screen name.

    Nothing new to this approach – seen it before.

    It is really a useless exercise to attempt conversation with this type of pathological fabulist.

  134. Last night on Bill Maher (live show) one of the panel guests pulled up his notebook and showed the audience and viewers the digital image of Obama’s birth certificate.

    Of course, it was from Kenya….right?

  135. oxbo:

    Nice deflection of your racist attitudes.

    This isn’t about me noticing racism. It’s about the racism that exists in our country.

    I’d tell you to keep ignoring it and it will go away, but you are proof that ignoring things don’t make them go away.

  136. Since Obama’s mother if from Kansas, why wouldn’t the question be that he was born in Kansas?

    Racism.

  137. “beerBoy says:
    April 2, 2011 at 6:08 am
    Nope, nothing racist at all about Rush’s “Obama the Magic Negro” song or the Teaparty posters caricaturing Obama as an African witch doctor, or the Obama monkey doll…….”
    ———————————————————————————

    No, beerBoy. Ask MR. It’s all about me noticing racism. That’s the problem Now that you’ve noticed it, too, you are the problem.

  138. uh oh.,…another name that shall not be mentioned on the forum….LOL

    “When what little credibility existed is gone, change screen name.”

    Now let’s recap. oxbo surfaced in the past couple of days, but puts on the dog to know me and my “methods”.

    Can we deduce that this is another in a long line of screen names for……

  139. NWflyfisher says:

    beerBoy: How would you know what my beliefs are? I did NOT label YOU as “a SLOP”; I characterized your COMMENT as Standard Liberal Operating Procedure, SLOP. Debate the words that people post, not your idea ABOUT the person that posts or it could be interpreted as ad hominum.

    Like you, I’m content to criticize Barack Obama based upon what he is doing now but I would also like know what factors in his life influence his current thinking to get a better appreciation of the decisions he makes.

  140. “Nice deflection of your racist attitudes.”

    Example “A”.

    I am sure you can link examples of my “racist attitudes”

    Pretty funny too, since I am Japanese American. But hey, anyone can be racist, right zero? Even black folks.

    “This isn’t about me noticing racism.”

    And the little boy crying wolf wasn’t about attention either.

    “… you are proof that ignoring things don’t make them go away.”

    My facial features (particularly my eyes) were pretty tough to ignore while growing up in the 50s and 60s, what with WW2 still in the rear view mirror – unlike the long-gone jim crow era now. You don’t think I got a regular dose of racism in my youth?

    As with every rotten card one is dealt in life, the choice is discard it or play it. I chose the discard pile.

    But you just keep diggin’, zero. The sunlight on the other side could not possibly expose you any more so than you have already done on your own.

  141. whatIdid says:

    beerBoy says:
    April 2, 2011 at 6:08 am
    “Nope, nothing racist at all about Rush’s “Obama the Magic Negro” song or…” bla bla bla…
    ….
    You’re either willfully ignorant ,intentionally obtuse, or an agent of misinformation.

    David Ehrenstein wrote a column in the March 19, 2007 edition of the LA Times about “majic negro”… rush parodied it for comic value (it was quite funny). You of people should know >
    • beerBoy2 wrote on 06/18/2009 10:46:33 AM:
    “Just to remind the humor-impaired: comedy rarely is inoffensive to all.”
    .
    As for the “Teaparty posters caricaturing Obama as an African witch doctor, or the Obama monkey doll” … certainly there should be no arguement whether those types of posters are racist…. and apparently you forgot about “planted agitators”…

    Zig heil iamjimm!
    Submitted by moderate on April 7, 2007 – 9:20am.
    Oh, and police departments around the country have never planted agitators into crowds to turn them into mobs? There is copious documentation to prove that it is a tried and true tactic employed nationwide.

    … certainly if police do it political adversaries do. There is also plenty of proven cases of minorities faking hate crimes against themselves…

    Labeling…

    beerBoy says:
    February 17, 2011 at 7:57 am
    sozo – making broad sweeping stereotypes about the characteristics of individuals within any large groups – positive or negative – provides very little useful information and oftentimes leads to errant characterizations of individuals.
    …..
    Say hello to the shiny kettle…

  142. Oh, and I joined this forum several years ago. Since they have changed from Pluck, I am not sure that can be verified, so why not email the board monitor and ask?

    In any event, you have been here… what, 6 months under at least 4 different screen names – probably more (way more). Nice.

  143. whatIdid says:

    NWflyfisher says:
    April 2, 2011 at 8:58 am
    beerBoy: How would you know what my beliefs are? …
    Debate the words that people post, not your idea ABOUT the person that posts…

    Here’s a 2fer…

    beerBoy wrote on 04/24/2010 06:06:36 AM:
    Someone who thinks he knows how others think is a fool.
    .
    beerBoy says:
    June 3, 2010 at 6:14 am
    Great people talk about ideas
    Average people talk about things
    Small people talk about other people
    …..
    Of course by now we can clearly see bB doesn’t play by his own rules ;)

  144. Parkland says:

    zero: “I want the conversation to be uncomfortable because, for too long people have gotten comfortable with racism because they don’t suffer the consequences.”

    Sorry, junior, most people, whether they’ll tell you or not, long ago recognized the white guilt thing for what it is. Racism exists today because some people have made a career out of it. Unfortunately for you and other racist race baiters, the vast majority of people simply want to go about their lives, regardless of the color of their neighbors. You are pathetic and juvenile, and need to be called out and recognized for what you are: a racist, and not a particularly intelligent one at that.

  145. Here, here, Parkland.

  146. Parkland says:

    oxb0: “Parkland, its pretty clear that any criticism of 0bama results in a race card play by zero. He has a hand full of them.”

    I notice he sort of filibusters with the race thing. He must have a very weak mind that his instructors got to early.

  147. NWflyfisher says:

    whatIdid: Game, Set, Match. The crowd ooooohs and aaaaahs…thunderous applause blankets the stadium. Thanks.

  148. whatIdid says:

    And for my encore… he’s been peddling his racist crap for a looong time.

    So you think that Rosa Parks
    Submitted by beerBoy on April 5, 2007 – 1:38pm.
    So you think that Rosa Parks should have shuffled to take her lawful place at the back of the bus?
    ……………………………………………..

    beerBoy wrote on 04/26/2010 08:57:01 AM:
    so…..I take it that conservatives are against lynchings?

  149. “Sorry, junior, most people, whether they’ll tell you or not, long ago recognized the white guilt thing for what it is. Racism exists today because some people have made a career out of it.”
    ———————————————————————————
    To put those two sentences in the same paragraph says it all.

    Wanting to eliminate racism is not feeling guilt of being of one race or another. That is avoidance rhetoric

    Thanks for the demonstration of racism.

    Cheer him on, NWF!

  150. Oh…and I’ve posted in the TNT since the Pluck days also.

    so your point is????????

  151. “Unfortunately for you and other racist race baiters”

    If someone has no racist issues, they cannot be baited, unless you would consider “homosexual baiting” makes one homosexual.

    The next time you and the boys make homosexual jokes about each other, think about the implications that you attempt to say about “race baiting”.

  152. Parkland says:

    I realize that as a young person, you were easily influenced and shaped, but even the least intelligent among us can see the glaring flaw in your comment. I don’t feel guilty that my parents were white, I don’t care what color other people are, and that, in your twisted world, makes me a racist. Classic! :)

  153. NWflyfisher says:

    beerBoy: The Anti-Lynching Bill was introduced by in the U.S. House of Representatives by Missouri Republican Representative L.C. Dyer in 1918. It was an attempt to end “lynchings” completely. The Bill passed the House of Representatives in 1922 but was defeated in the Senate due to a fillibuster by the white Southern Democrats. The bill would have made lynching a federal felony. So, beerBoy, you would say Democrats are in favor of lynchings, right?

  154. whatIdid says:

    Toyotaman84 wrote on 12/18/2009 06:34:57 PM:

    I like what Tman said to you previously, it was Bush at the wheel when the planes began crashing. And what did he do? Kept reading to school children.
    ….
    • Toyotaman84 wrote on 12/18/2009 06:36:10 PM:
    Now I know I’m going crazy… I’m referring to myself in the 3rd person.
    ….

    oops… 6zilch forgot to log off and back on…

  155. Geez, zero, anyone else you’d like to add to your little list of racists?

    Don’t stop now, you’re on a roll.

    May I suggest Mother Teresa?

  156. Again with the “moderate” nonsense!

    C’mon now…..I have never claimed to be moderate in my views nor as my screen name.

  157. The racists are uncomfortable with my statements

  158. And….I have been posting as beerBoy since before the Pluck days. I posted as arts for a brief period when I worked at Pierce County.

    I never was moderate but whatishisnamenow keeps insisting that I was. These name games are tiresome.

  159. whatIdid says:

    LOL… sorry bB, apparently I saved it in “submitted by beerBoy/arts/beerBoy2/ file” I must have thought you were posting under several alts at the time ;) my bad.

  160. “The racists are uncomfortable with my statements”

    X_6…. your right… I am a racist… and so are you…

    the difference… I know I am… you don’t… at least not yet

    I’m feeling a little Tiger Blood running through my racists veins… wanna talk instead of being a bunch of cowards?

  161. The southern democrats of 1922 are today’s republiccons.

  162. xring – you wanna piece of this too? But we gotta make a rule that you can’t spout off stuff like your 7:30 post. It’s a BS statement that make no sense, adds little to the conversation, is both unprovable right or wrong, and is really just feces slinging…

    so you wanna piece of the racism action?

  163. whatIdid says:

    “The southern democrats of 1922 are today’s republiccons. ” ….
    kooky, seems the last census shows blacks (negors) – (African Americans)- (Jamacin Americans)-(name the country of origin Black Americans) are moving south…

  164. “X_6…. your right…”

    My right??????????

  165. x6 – right as in correct… correcto… correctomundo…

    In the words of a great American from the town of Detroit… sing it with me now… “I am whatever you say I am…”

    Did you really think I was calling you a right winger? That’s actually funny without intending to be…

    You could be a “closet” Right Winger… but then again that would be an insult to the true conservatives on this discussion board… my apologies in advance for even considering such a thought… I am going to wash out my pixelated mouth right now… (x6 – “right” now as in this point in time)

  166. “whatIdid says:
    April 2, 2011 at 6:43 pm
    LOL… sorry bB, apparently I saved it in “submitted by beerBoy/arts/beerBoy2/ file”
    ———————————————–

    Slightly obsessed??????

  167. OH….no question….I’m trying to make Right Wingers look bad.

    It’s working.

  168. Parkland says:

    zero: “OH….no question….I’m trying to make Right Wingers look bad.

    It’s working.”

    Awesome! You step out with dumb comment after dumb comment, every man, woman, and child in Pierce County call you out, and, “it’s working”!

    Hahahahahaha!!!!!

    What ever happened to the notion that libbies / proggies are smart? :)

    Seriously though, keep it up, you’re right, we’re all racist hicks, and you’re doing a knock up job pointing out that fact to fence sitting passers by. You truly are the spokesman that the left has been looking for!

  169. X6 – dude, are you interested in a discussion on race and racism instead of the feces slinging race baiting stuff you engaging… come on now it will be fun…

    I found the video of AG Holder calling us common folk a bunch of cowards on the subject of race… I took some courage pills and need you assistance and guidance to bring me to the liberal approved racial wonderland… it will be beautiful and I will be enlighten…

    Not to insult alchoholics but like them, I admitted what I am… it’s my first step of many to the liberal wonderland. One more time in case you missed it – I am a racist!!! see, exclamation marks this time around.

    …it will be fun :)

  170. X6 – (said in southern black preacher tone and texture)

    Help me, help me brother to see the liberal approved racial wonderland, help me brother…

    Can I get an Amen!!!

    (I’m doing a hands in the air, Chuck Berry dance now waiting for you to come from the liberal mountain top bringing The Word)

  171. ItalianSpring says:

    Do not take Trump seriously. He is a shameless self promoter above all.

  172. ::::remain silent and let them expose themselves::::::

  173. “X_6zero says:
    April 3, 2011 at 12:16 pm
    ::::remain silent and let them expose themselves:::::: ”

    ::::call them out, offer to engage in a discussion of substance and watch them hide behind statements like the one above:::::

    You got nothing of substance to offer… check that, you got nothing to offer…

    In the words of a great American… coward.

  174. .

  175. xRoll_On says:

    I hate to say this, but I think the x’s were talking to themselves. The zero, is, well…., but i thought xx98411 was a remake of rr98411. If rr decided to change the name to be in stride with the zero and his many monikers, that is okay. But if the zero created a new name to argue with, well, I think I don’t need to waste my time here anymore.

  176. since you asked and full disclosure…

    rr98411 and xx98411 are one in the same. Last Saturday night I was posting and then nothing. Did the cookie thingy… nothing… waited to let the system settle…

    Sunday… nothing….

    Monday… nothing wasn’t able to post… screw it… deleted rr98411 and decided xx98411 was appropiate considering what was said at the time.

    I am me… one in the same.

  177. xRoll_On says:

    Yeah, I have had the spinning post of death before, when nothing worked, and I gave up too.

    I am sure I will be getting a lecture about my “moniker” concerns.

    Carry on!

  178. whatIdid says:

    xx98411, same thing happened to me about a week ago…

    btw, nice job shutting the troll up ;)

  179. Considering that 3:06 post, not only shutting the troll up figuratively but also literally…

    Too bad though, I wanted a piece of that action… like the clap though, he will be back…

    Thanks… on to other battles….

  180. The “troll” was out enjoying a fabulous dinner at a new restaurant in celebration of his day of birth.

    Should we call the WHAAAAmbulance to deal with the broken arms from patting oneself on the back too much???

    Sure glad you fools held down the fort while I enjoyed myself.

    Does the hook in your mouth hurt?

  181. Xroll_on, aka roll_on – you changed your moniker.

    I’m going to have a coronary when I get the time.

  182. Oh….I also got my yard trimmed, power washed my walk and part of my driveway and enjoyed some family time, while you clowns were worried about where I was and what I was going to say.

    It’s called a real life.

  183. “like the clap though, he will be back…”

    experienced?

  184. Again you offer nothing to the conversation about race and racism… the offer still stands…

    got anything or shall you waste your time telling us how your evening went as if that matters to the subject at hand….

    four post and nothing of value… nothing

  185. theloniusmonk says:

    hook in mouth hurt? lol

  186. xx…..speaking of nothing of value…..

    “xx98411 says:
    April 3, 2011 at 5:28 pm
    since you asked and full disclosure…

    rr98411 and xx98411 are one in the same. Last Saturday night I was posting and then nothing. Did the cookie thingy… nothing… waited to let the system settle…

    Sunday… nothing….

    Monday… nothing wasn’t able to post… screw it… deleted rr98411 and decided xx98411 was appropiate considering what was said at the time.

    I am me… one in the same.”

    Who else takes the time to type “dude” when addressing someone? You are being redundantly redundant.

    Now as to your “challenge”, I’m not sure exactly what discussion you want to take place about racism, other than one for you to create wiggle room.

    Sorry, I’m going to bed. You can try to start the discussion and I’ll pick up on it in the morning. Trust me, I’m not expecting much.

    Besides, we already decided that because Obama’s mother was from Kansas, he was actually born in Kansas, therefore, an American citizen.

  187. Xx – what your post 4-2-11 at 7:51 PM shows is that you suffer from a lack of historical knowledge, and an inability to tell fact from feces.

    The Solid South:
    After the Civil War and Reconstruction, the Democratic Party regained political control of the eleven former states, and effectively eliminated the Republican Party as a political force in the Southern states. For the next century, winning the Democratic primary in a Southern state meant winning the general election. Southerners also repeatedly reelected their senators and representatives, which enabled them to gain seniority in Congress. As a result, whenever the Democrats held the majority in the Senate or House, Southern Democrats tended to chair the most important committees. The “solid South” held its strongest grip on Congress between the 1930s and 1960s. Then the enactment of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965[under President Johnson] alienated many white Southerners from the Democratic Party. At the same time, Republicans adopted a “Southern strategy”—running candidates and making appointments that would appeal to the region’s conservative sentiments. The strategy encouraged many Democrats to register or vote as Republicans. The “solid South” made way for a two-party South as Southern voters began electing Republicans as well as Democrats to Congress.

    http://www.answers.com/topic/solid-south

    Change Democrat to Republican and the starting date to 1965 and you have a good picture of how things now stand in the south.

  188. Again the first part of your post… nothing.

    reduntantly redundant…. so what.

    Obama’s birthplace is not the subject of the discussion…

  189. The second line should read ‘regained control of the eleven former Confederate states’

    xx – do you have a site for you Holder comment?

  190. “The southern democrats of 1922 are today’s republiccons.”

    The above is nothing more that feces slinging….

    Your post directly above is a better texture of feces but http://www.answers.com…. come on… that is a non source. It is a bunch of people in their underwear, in their respective basements answering questions pretending to have some expertise in the subject. You may get a good answer here and there but…

  191. Less that a month on the job, Holder made the comment as part of a speech… check answers.com… maybe they have the answer… LMFAO.

  192. xring – back to your post on the “Solid South” what does that have to do with the current state of race and racism?

    Also, the recent census shows that northern blacks are moving back to the south… so the demographics of the south are evolving as is the northern cities and suburbs…

    Race… racism… cowards…

    I believe what got this started is any criticism of Obama is racist. So here we go…

    Obama is not very good at his job… am I now a racist?

  193. Xx, what my Solid South post proves is the validly of my 1922 Democrats post.

    And that you are spinning and flip-flopping to avoid the truth.

    Blacks moving back south –
    One sentence that I cut form my Solid South post (to keep under the word limit) was how the Old Southern Dems prevented Blacks and Republicans from voting.

    Now it is the New Republicans that are preventing Blacks, Latinos, and Dems from voting.

    Saying Obama is not good at his job does not make you a racist.
    Saying Obama is not good at his job because of his race makes you a racist.
    As does referring to him as a Man Child.

    And no XX I am not saying you have done either of the last two things.

  194. About your 1922 posts, at this point I am not interested in history. We are, at least I am, attempting to focus on the premise that any criticism of Obama is racist.

    “Saying Obama is not good at his job does not make you a racist.”

    Ok, good start, we agree…

    “Saying Obama is not good at his job because of his race makes you a racist.”

    I have yet to read anyone seriously make any point that states Obama is black, therefore as a black man he is incapable of being President of the United States.

    “As does referring to him as a Man Child.”

    As used, the term Man Child means someone who is inexperienced. How am I wrong to see it that way and not as a racist term?

    “And no XX I am not saying you have done either of the last two things.”

    Thank you, Up until the last sentence, you are correct.

  195. whatIdid says:

    Calling Bush the “monkey president” and “boy president” was a-ok with the same people that now see any criticism of Barry as racist…

  196. whatIdid remind me of an apple to apple comparison…

    During the Bush years their was a demostration for whatever. Bush was protrayed as the Joker. I do not remember any discussion that the picture was racist.

    During the current Obama years their was a demostration for whatever. Obama was portrayed as the Joker. It is now racist.

    Question…

    Why was the Bush version not racist?

    Why was the Obama version racist?

    Was the Bush version actually racist but collectively we were just too stupid to realize it?

    Just askin’

  197. “Obama’s birthplace is not the subject of the discussion…”

    Failure of epic proportions.

    Obama’s birthplace is EXACTLY what the conversation has been. The letter is about Trump and the discussion leaned toward’s Trump’s BS about Obama’s birth certificate. Those who question such lean towards Kenya as his birthplace because (1) he is black and because (2) he is black. Oh, by the way, did I mention that they do this because he is black?

    As I said last night – I didn’t expect much other than the attempt to create wiggle room.

    I’m clairvoyant.

  198. “X_6zero says:
    April 1, 2011 at 7:22 am
    “It’s one thing to question Obama’s birth. Afterall, people with dark skin are not born in the United States. But when proving your own citizenship, you might want to at least submit the right document.” “

    Yes the conversation is about Trump and his assertions about the birth certificate…. Thanks to this response by you we started heading down the “dark skin” road. I called you out so as not to go down that road. Silly me, we have…

    “Those who question such lean towards Kenya as his birthplace because (1) he is black and because (2) he is black. Oh, by the way, did I mention that they do this because he is black?”

    OK, if that is your premise… bull dongers… they do it because we like watching train wrecks and this is the mother of all train wrecks. Each side – Dem and Birthers – have a reason to keep this alive. Hell if I know… hell if I care what the reason is…

    “because he is black…” help my feeble mind to understand as you are truly superior, how and why “they do this because he is black?”

  199. “Yes the conversation is about Trump and his assertions about the birth certificate…. Thanks to this response by you we started heading down the “dark skin” road. I called you out so as not to go down that road. Silly me, we have…”
    —————————————————————————————–
    Try to honestly answer this question:

    Would anyone accuse a caucasian of being born in Kenya?

    There is your answer, if you really want one.

    The really interesting part of all of this nonsense is that John McCain was not born in the United States, but his father was in the military. No one goes down that road.

  200. Try to honestly answer this question:
    I trust you will not use my response in an unfair manner….

    Would anyone accuse a caucasian of being born in Kenya?
    If evidence shows that there is a possibility that a “Caucasian” was born in another country specifically Kenya as an example then YES… they would. Remember this was used very early in the Democratic primary in an attempt to derail the campaign of Barack Obama.

    Politicians tend to be scumbags… this is a scumbag thing to do… so, it is not below a politician to accuse a candidate of (insert vile thing here).

    Speaking not of Kenya but Panama… (Canada was also an accusation quite a few years back with yet another Caucasian candidate)

    The really interesting part of all of this nonsense is that John McCain was not born in the United States, but his father was in the military. No one goes down that road.
    McCain was not, he was born in Panama. They did go down that road (There was a reference on this discussion thread (or another) to the Senate resolution (?) that stated he was a US Citizen). One could ask why this was not done for Barack Obama… hmmm. But I digress and my issue was racism not politics…

    So… white guy presidential candidates – 2, black presidential candidates – 1…

    I can play some more with your questions but at some point please help me to understand how racism plays into any discussion about birthplace and Barack Obama. “…because he is black…” hmmm…

  201. “If evidence shows that there is a possibility that a “Caucasian” was born in another country specifically Kenya as an example then YES”

    Since there is ABOLUTE NO EVIDENCE that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and in fact there is POSITIVE EVIDENCE to the contrary…..

    Racism, pure and simple.

    Thanks for playing.

  202. “If evidence shows that there is a possibility that a “Caucasian” was born in another country specifically Kenya as an example then YES”
    Since there is ABOLUTE NO EVIDENCE that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and in fact there is POSITIVE EVIDENCE to the contrary…..

    Is there something wrong with your computer as I made reference to this specific item being a matter of politics more than racism. I submit that the accusation of his birthplace is political and not racism. As I said politicians tend to be scumbags… accusing him of being a non-citizen is a political scumbag thing to do.… so, it is not below a politician to accuse a candidate of (insert any vile thing here).

    Most politicians are scumbags… a significantly smaller subset of the larger scumbag set are racist…

    You statement above is trying to prove that he is a citizen, not that I am a racist for example, believing that Barack Hussein Obama was not born in the United States of America. You can show me the certificate all you want but if I believe Obama to be a non-citizen… I submit I am an ignorant political b-stard trying to yank your chain… racist… some of my best friends are black ;)

    Racism, pure and simple.
    Then how do you explain McCain and the Arthur dude? I covered McCain… no comment that you were wrong there. They are white guys who citizenship was questioned at some point during the campaign. It politics for them but not racism? I see it as low ball politics pure and simple. Obama is no different, accuse him of crap and see what sticks.

    Thanks for playing.
    Taking your toys and going home? You respond only to what you want not to my other points…

    How about this….

    I believe that Barack Hussein Obama was not born in the United States of America. Ok, there I said it…

    Ok, please tell me how I am a racist to believe the above.

    Again, I would be Ignorant… ok. Political… heck yeah. Feces slinger… ya betcha. Trying to yank your chain… possibly. Racist???

  203. “As I said politicians tend to be scumbags… accusing him of being a non-citizen is a political scumbag thing to do”
    ———————————————————————-
    As I said earlier……”wiggle room”

  204. “As I said earlier……”wiggle room” “

    As I said earlier… You got nothing of value to offer. You have yet to prove that if someone believes if Obama was not born in the USA then they are racist… again, you got nothing.

    For the record and disclaimer. I don’t care about the birther issue. I see it as a distraction to the fact that this administration is doing its damdest to run this country into the fiscal ground. The Congress is not far behind in my contempt for DC (and Olympia)

    But I do enjoy watching a media inspired train wreck in progress from time to time. ;)

  205. xx – thanks for clarifying that you are are a birth = not someone who is dealing with reality. This will impact the credibility of any future statements of belief from you.

  206. beerboy – that was unneccessary… please reread my last post and tell me what about it tell you I am a birther.

    It is a non-issue to me… something I don’t care about… it is a distraction from the real issues facing this country… it is a low value target, when Obama with his flip-flopping and general incompentency provide more and better high value targets…

    Clear enough… or are you just being… well… you!

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