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Letter by Randall Hiner, Vashon on March 21, 2011 at 2:39 pm with 81 Comments »
March 21, 2011 3:03 pm

Re: “Cuts needed, not expansion” (letter, 3-20).

The letter writer feels we are burdening the young with excessive debt and suggests programs that ensure kids have guaranteed access to health care and preschool (and presumably WIC and Head Start) are entitlements and “will need to be reduced for everyone” to lower the debt burden on our young.

Those on the far right always point the finger at social programs as an exercise in wasting money. I would suggest he look at entitlements for our corporate “citizens” as well, such as the Republican Congress prohibiting by law the federal government from negotiating lower prices for medications in Medicare part D (your tax dollars needlessly going to Pharma’s bottom line).

Or the bloated farm subsidies program, primarily benefiting Agri-business and not family farmers. (Michelle Bachmann is the notable exception; her family’s farm receives in excess of $100,000 per year while she derides “big government” in her tea party speeches). Or Republican demands that the Bush tax cuts be extended (to do this we need to borrow hundreds of billions from the Chinese and burden our children with the repayment).

Perhaps the letter writer thinks that tax cuts for the wealthy and wars of choice that are “off budget” (at least until a Democratic president puts them “in budget”) are OK, but entitlements for children are wasteful.

To me, this reflects a lack of critical thinking, or outright hypocrisy, or watching too much Fox News.

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  1. Congratulations on a great letter.

  2. This author is right. In fact, if we cut wasteful subsidies to farmers and large corporations, we would save $62 billion over the next 5 years. And that’s just scratching the surface of wasteful government subsidies.

    We could find $354 billion in savings from reforming inefficient contract and acquisition procedures; $77 billion in savings by improving execution of existing government programs as well as eliminating unneeded programs; and $108 billion in savings from ending low-priority or unnecessary weapons systems, along with rightsizing other programs. These figures are according to WashPIRG and The National Taxpayer Union’s report “Toward Common Ground: Bridging the Political Divide to Reduce Spending.”

    If these unlikely bedfellows came together to help fix the budget, why can’t our representatives? We have the capacity to balance the budget without ending decades of social progress. Lets make it happen.

  3. Isn’t WashPIRG a communist organization?

  4. Great letter!
    Too bad it is almost too late I fear to stop the fundimental change of America to fascism by the far right.
    It’s too bad really we had a really good thing going until we gave it over the cons.

  5. blakeshouse says:

    Isn’t WashPIRG a communist organization?

    After popping in to take a look at the web site I believe that the communist Party has denounced these idiots as to far left wing

  6. Isn’t WashPIRG a communist organization?

    After popping in to take a look at the web site I believe that the communist Party has denounced these idiots as to far left wing

    I was laughing at the absurdity of the first comment’s Bircher extreme only to be greeted by ____house’s predictable response.

  7. truthbusterguy says:

    Social entitlement programs do not work. The author would prefer we adopt the entitlement mentality of many countries in Europe. These programs have proven to be a failure and when governments try austerity the people riot. This will happen in this country when government budgets are finally cut. It won’t be as violent as in Europe but as we see in many states the groups that have been living off entitlement are angry but if we don’t rein in these programs we too will follow Europe in bankruptcy.
    I have said it before but must keep reminding the liberals that blog here. The fact is that governments that try socialist programs finally run out of other people’s money and these programs fail. We are at that point in this state and country. We are a democracy and people have said with huge majorities they don’t want to pay more taxes, in fact we want to pay less. Get used to it; the time of austerity is NOW!

  8. Yes, Austerity NOW, for ALL, including the ones who have profited the most over the last 10 years.

  9. Truthbuster, you are of on another ideological tangent that only remotely relates to this authors letter. Where does the author state that he would prefer we adopt the entitlement mentality of many countries in Europe?

    You say that the time of austerity is now, that you want to pay fewer taxes and that the government will run out of other people’s money for socialistic programs. Ok. So why then, are you only complaining about the expense of social programs for the poor and NOT about the subsidies to corporate farmers, the off-budget wars of choice, and the gift of Medicare Part D to big pharma that are mentioned by the author?

  10. Great letter, could not agree more.

  11. Pat_riot says:

    I agree, EVERY thing should be cut across the board. Farm subsidies, pharmaceutical hindrances, AND social programs… cut them all!

  12. Four of the GOP Senators in Wisconsin are getting farm subsidies:

    “Four of the 19 Wisconsin Republican State Senators annually applied for and received direct farm subsidies from the federal government. These are the same people who want government spending limited, apparently except when it comes to their own welfare checks.

    Michael Ellis of the 19th District received payments totaling $226,155 from 1995 through 2009 for a farm in Bloomington, WI

    Sheila Harsdorf of the 10th District, is 50% owner in Trim-bel Valley Farms in River Falls WI, received payments totaling $194,763 from 1995 through 2009.

    Luther Olsen of the 14th District, 20% owner in Riverview Farm, received payments totaling $84,232 from 1999 through 2009

    Dale Schultz of the 17th District received payments totaling $61,171 from 2000 through 2009 for a farm in Richland Center, WI

    http://groundswellfilms.org/1114/four-wisconsin-republican-state-senators-receive-direct-government-subsidies/

  13. “WashPIRG, the Washington Public Interest Research Group, takes on powerful interests on behalf of Washington’s citizens, working to win concrete results for our health and our well-being. With a strong network of researchers, advocates, organizers and students across the state, we stand up to powerful special interests on issues to stop identity theft, fight political corruption, provide safe and affordable prescription drugs, and strengthen voting rights.

    Yeah….communists……LMAO

  14. Uhmm… yahhll:

    http://www.washpirg.org/

    A little odd… a concise, hard to argue letter from a lefty, followed immediately by a post frome a member of washpirg.

    I smell robo letter.

    Still, I think it’s great that everyone’s talking about cutting spending now. Wasn’t it only last November 1st that the libs, here and everywhere, were telling us “we have to spend our way out of this recession”.

    Yeah, right. Then came November 2nd.

    And it is true, cuts will need to be made across the board in order to be effective – never mind fair.

  15. Dave98373 says:

    …or perhaps maybe you suffer from listening too much to the tax-payer funded NPR??–another example of continued government waste that could be better served to fund children’s programs.

  16. walkineasy says:

    GREAT letter, Randall. Too bad so many people have closed minds.

  17. steilacoomtaxpayer says:

    And don’t forget the subsidised ferries to Vashon.

  18. “steilacoomtaxpayer says:
    March 22, 2011 at 7:31 am
    And don’t forget the subsidised ferries to Vashon.”
    ———————————————————————————————–
    Or the subsidies for the roads in the State of Washington?

    The ferry system is not private. It is part of the road system in our state.

  19. “In 2009, member stations derived 6% of their revenue from direct government funding, 10% of their revenue from federal funding in the form of CPB grants, and 14% of their revenue from universities.[14][15] NPR receives no direct funding from the federal government.[16] About 1.5% of NPR’s revenues come from Corporation for Public Broadcasting grants.”

    Ignorance is cured by research. Film at 11:00 pm!!!

  20. The Reich Wing Sound Machine dislikes NPR because it is a public information source that can’t be owned an controlled by a corporation.

    We older folks remember “Radio Free Europe” promoted heavily in the 1950s that was intended on bringing the “democracy” message to Communistic countries in Europe – primarily East Germany:

    Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL) is a broadcaster funded by the U.S. Congress that provides news, information, and analysis to countries in Eastern Europe, Central Asia, and the Middle East “where the free flow of information is either banned by government authorities or not fully developed”.

  21. steilacoomtaxpayer says:

    The ferry system is part of the WA road system for all of the privy few on Vason, San Juan, etc. This has been the longest running deception of the public in WA. Pay up, or get off X-6.

  22. You have to remember the GOP as behaves today is nothing but a cult.( what do you call a group of people who all hold the same delusions?) Reagan made the sick, the mentally ill, children and women ENEMIES of the state and gave America to the coroporation.
    Do not expect the rank and file republican to be able to see thru the lies, myths, and delusions taught to them by their mighty thought machine… some call Fox News. Remember 4 separate universities conducted 4 independent research projects and all came to the conclusion: Fox News viewers are profoundly misinformed.
    What is so amazing to me is the people who complain about taxes and entitlement are people who make less than 50K a year and worry about the rich paying too much in taxes… yea.. tell me the gop is not a cult, a sociopathic one at that.

  23. SadujTogracse says:

    “In 2009, member stations derived 6% of their revenue from direct government funding

    “NPR receives no direct funding from the federal government.”

    LOL you can’t make this stuff up!

  24. theogsters says:

    Well written, Randall. The most strident, anti-government people I know receive Civil Service or Military pension checks every month. They’d never admit to it but their real message is: “I’ve got mine and to heck with those other freeloaders.”

  25. The majority of leading economist agree that deep cuts to spending will not help the economy and in fact could worsen the recovery.
    Now we know why the extreme right is beating that drum so hard.

  26. A full outbreak of class warfare may be in the making under the stress of a depressed economy (regardless of the propaganda emerging in the media that we are “recovering”).

    America has generally risen above this. However, I fear that those on the right who ignore the horrendous greed of some (the champions of capitalism on Wall Street who basically run a carnival shell game), and those on the left who ignore those who are parasites (those raised from cradle to grave (while making more babies/spending time in prison) to entitlement programs, are on a path of mutual destruction.

    As for theogsters, I must address him as one of the ignorant who can compare “earned benefits” with “freeloaders”

  27. BlaineCGarver says:

    I LMAO when Libs call welfare an entitlement….they have earned nothing. Money given to farms and other corps is intended to level the playing field with overseas companies. I know where I’d start looking for extra money: these offshore accounts and tax shelters where cheap SOBs hide their money to avoid taxes….THAT does irk me to no end. Comparing military retirement pay to welfare for crack queens with half dozen kids with different fathers is a KMA kind of statement.

  28. Wonderful letter!!!!! Yep, the blaring sound machine of Fox News minds is not happy…………….But, if we don’t protect the members of this society with education, health care then we really don’t have much of a future. Right now this moment in time, our educational system. once the finest in the world, is lagging behind……and you can cut the deficit all you want. But, if we can’t compete in the global world, the deficit will be the least of our problems. Ignorance may be bliss for some—but, productive, educated minds create. We can count our money or we can invest in ideas. This letter writer knows we can’t compete unless we invest in ourselves.

  29. donjames says:

    xtp855 says:

    “The majority of leading economist agree that deep cuts to spending will not help the economy… ”

    And “the majority of leading economist” would be one.

    Never mind. A majority of leading economists also support across-the-board tax cuts (for you left field dogmatics, that would include “The Rich” – even the top 1%), and dismantling of the Fed. So I guess we can assume you’re beating this drum… right?

  30. “steilacoomtaxpayer says:
    March 22, 2011 at 7:58 am
    The ferry system is part of the WA road system for all of the privy few on Vason, San Juan, etc. This has been the longest running deception of the public in WA. Pay up, or get off X-6.
    ————————————————————————————————

    Whenever a tourist goes to any one of the islands, it serves more than just the locals. Most of the locals stay on the islands anyway. That is why they live there.

    I paid $24.50 to drive onto the ferry to Vashon to visit friends for dinner. How much more should I pay for a 20 minute ferry ride?

    We’ll not address the commercial traffic that uses the ferry system from Seattle to Bainbridge and Bremerton. That would make you look like a fool.

  31. donjames says:

    X_6zero says:

    “I paid $24.50 to drive onto the ferry to Vashon to visit friends for dinner.”

    Question:
    “How much more should I pay for a 20 minute ferry ride?”

    Answer:
    Nada. Just be sure to be on all all 19 sailings – every day… for the rest of your life. At that rate, the extra $8.95 you paid them will go a long way toward paying some ferry workers retirement bennies.

    Ferry fare Fauntleroy/ Point Defiance – Vashon = $15.55 for 20 ft. or under car and driver.

  32. Summer schedule (I traveled in July)
    Vehicle Under 20′ & Driver $19.45
    Extra passenger – $4.55

    Total – $24.00 (my guess, reflecting back almost a year was $24.50)

    I was there, don. You weren’t.

    Why do you complain about ferry workers accepting pensions in lieu of wages? Business CEOs get country club memberships……

  33. Gee…..no quippy comeback, huh donny?

  34. Why does donjame attack with such empty brovado?

  35. How much did the GOP waste on thier emergency session of the House to vote to defund NPR, knowing it would never make it past the senate?
    How may years could they have funded NPR with what they wasted?

  36. “How much did the GOP waste on thier emergency session of the House to vote to defund NPR, knowing it would never make it past the senate?”

    It is a regularly scheduled session of Congress… ?

  37. The redundancy award:

    To me, this reflects a lack of critical thinking… or watching too much Fox News.

  38. So handouts to the poor don’t work and are bad for the country.

    But, handouts to the rich and corporations do work and are good for the country?

    Looks like a fox talking point, walks like a fox talking point, and stinks like a fox talking point.

  39. the3rdpigshouse says:

    When one of you whinie snivelie citizens finds a poor or unemployed person who is hiring – please advise!!!

  40. don…

    Maybe you should lay off the happy hour.

    I was there, you weren’t….in other words… my wife and I went to dinner, you didn’t…

    The pricing is right off the DOT website….argue with them

    Too much “chi”???? Chi may refer to: Chinese. Chi (尺), a traditional Chinese unit of length (“Chinese foot”), approximately 1/3 of a meter;

    I didn’t know that Vashon had changed to Chinese measurements.

  41. “the3rdpigshouse says:
    March 22, 2011 at 8:23 pm
    When one of you whinie snivelie citizens finds a poor or unemployed person who is hiring – please advise!!!
    ————————————————————————————–

    And when one of you BS artist Reich Wing Fascists can point to a job that was added by providing a stock market investor with more tax breaks, we’ll all throw a party.

  42. Uhmm, zero, they haven’t posted the peak season rates for 2011 yet, and you cannot get rates for 2010 on any DOT site since they are likely to change (read increase) for the 2011 peak season.

    I think Mr. puffy zero is fibbing a bit here. And, as usual, he is loath to admit it.
    I paid $23.45 for a vehicle and one passenger all last summer. But don’t take my word for it, check this old 2010 schedule out, then pop off.

    http://www.visitkitsap.com/pdfs/brochures/FerryFares2010.pdf

    You really are a piece of… work.

  43. Uhmmm…don……I said I was talking about a dinner LAST JULY.
    “Summer schedule (I traveled in July)”

    If you want to criticize my comments, try reading accurately first.

    Again…for the slow people, I paid $19.45 for car and driver, $4.55 for passenger for a total of $24.00 to ride from Point Defiance to Vashon.

    Look at the schedule on the DOT website.

    You cite a Kitsap tourist pdf. Do you think maybe…..and I’m just spitballing here….the cost is slightly different??????? Like 55 cents????

  44. As to rates for 2010 and 2011 please see:

    http://www.wstc.wa.gov/Rates/FerryFares/defrault.htm

  45. All this information, paid for by taxes…..

    And all they do is complain about the taxes and don’t use the service.

  46. http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/ferries/fares/FaresDetail.aspx?tripdate=20110617&departingterm=16&arrivingterm=21

    For summer fares, move the calendar to June (the earliest summer date for pre-sale) and indicate your point of departure.

  47. If you really want something to complain about, notice that your pdf indicates that a car and driver from Seattle to Bainbridge is less than $12.

    Whattaya think is the cause of that? Larger ferry capacity??????

    Hmmmm….the old supply and demand is kicking in here…

  48. Geez, zero, five replies? Paranoid much?

    Would it not be easier to just say:
    “The reason why I, zero, qualified my first prevarication is obvious, but the truth is I, zero, once rode a ferry to Vashon and I can’t remember what the exact fare was. And what the hell does it matter, it has nothing to do with the topic anyway.”

    But no, your pathological defense instincts would never permit the humility of being erroneous – intentionally or otherwise.

    HTH

  49. looks like I gave donjames too much credit.
    Empty bravado would be an improvment.

  50. To be fair to the nannies, they did delete a zero post that had Daniels, Jack in the post when zero was trashing me.

    But I agree with you, why do all his posts remain, when others are routinely deleted?

    Makes you wonder, or, “kooky”

  51. RR – it was an emergency session, called by the GOP, specifically to defund NPR.

    http://joefromflorida.newsvine.com/_news/2011/03/16/6278637-house-republicans-call-emergency-meeting-to-defund-npr-the-raw-story?amp&amp

    Why does this seem like Déjà Vu all over again.

  52. MarksonofDarwin says:

    DJ,

    If it’s any consolation, I think that if someone with multiple accounts logs in to each of them and flags any given comment a certain amount of times, then that comment is removed.

    I’ve had completely benign comments removed as well. The only “offense” to them was the fact that the points I raised were irrefutable. I know that sounds like I’m full of myself, but that’s the only explanation I can come up with.

    Just for the record….I have a healthy ego, and of course I believe I’m right most of the time, but I am also open to any challenge to my opinions. They just have to make sense!

  53. Kooky… the more things “change”… the more they stay the same….

  54. Any statement or argument that clams to be irrefutable is false. At least that’s what my Christian Liberal Arts College taught me.

  55. “Roll_On says:
    March 23, 2011 at 6:58 pm
    To be fair to the nannies, they did delete a zero post that had Daniels, Jack in the post when zero was trashing me.

    But I agree with you, why do all his posts remain, when others are routinely deleted?”
    —————————————————————————————–

    Roll_On is back to calling the moderators “nannies” while complaining to them when someone fires back at his insults. This is an old Roll_On game.

    I got an extensive email about a Roll_On complaint several months ago.

    Roll_On – here’s a clue. Rarely do moderators delete without a complaint, according to the management at McClatchey Newspapers. This would make them liable for all comments.

    If you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen, but don’t think that you’ll sit and insult and not get a few thrown back your way.

  56. ‘donjames says:
    March 23, 2011 at 11:49 am
    Geez, zero, five replies? Paranoid much?”

    Paranoia has nothing to do with your inability to absorb the data that I’ve supplied from DOT. You want to argue with me over the price I PAID for a ferry fare and when I supply the data to support it, you still don’t get it.

    I tried to piece it out so that even you could comprehend.

  57. Whattaya say we just discect Roll_On’s comment that garnered the response that he complained about?

    Roll_On says:
    March 21, 2011 at 6:26 pm
    So JE…X_6, are you going to pull that energy to live on out of your a–. You tree huggers don’t want to use any fossil fuels or nuclear, or hydro to power your homes, or America. So what do you propose, wind? HAHAHAHA – First of all, I’m not a tree hugger. I believe in forest harvest, as long as clear cuts don’t bury towns in landslides. Selective cutting is the way

    You must be from the religion of peace, because they want us back to the stone age where we had daylight and animal skins and that was it. “Religion of Peace” is code in Reich Wing Speak for “Muslim”. Not only do I not participate in any religion, Roll_On’s characterization of the Muslim faith is nothing short of a slur. As to “stone age” – Christianity preceeds Islam

    And how did we get to nuclear power and McCain anyway? I know the resident slow moving boat fisherman (trolling if you will). I suggested that Roll_On read the thread so that I didn’t have to explain the drift. Meanwhile, his inability to follow the thread brings him to the conclusion that I’m a “troller”???????

    As you can see, Roll_On loves to dish, but can’t handle the action.

    I suggested his religion came from “spirits” of a different source and he got his panties in a wad.

  58. donjames says:

    Thanks, for the insight, MsoD and whatido, interesting stuff – especially the laughable notion that they delete posts containing references to the pejorative “tea baggers”. That alone is enough to convince me that virtually none of their standards apply to any left wing trolls who flood this site with crap, using their obvious multi-screen name personas.

    Interestingly enough, I actually once got an email warning from Kim. It came at a period where they were deleting 90% of my posts – regardless of content. I completely understand why it becomes necessary to use an email alias and change screen names, but I refuse to do so. We emailed back and forth for a time, and I just went on a bit of a hiatus.

    But truly, the censorship here is typically unrelated to any of the rationale laid out in the correspondence whatido posted.

  59. Same here. Kim is on maternity leave… probably the only reason the ban on my IP has been lifted.
    Kim stated they couldn’t tell who flagged whom, but then went on to admonish me for flagging a post more than once… kooky huh?
    The correspondence I’ve had with her amd Mary has been very contradictory to say the least…

  60. This one is priceless…

    You were banned for personal attacks (posting their archived statements to show their selective outrage) on other commenters. The rules prohibiting such attacks have NOT been relaxed. If you are seeing some personal attacks hanging around the letters section longer than usual, it might be because I was on vacation and someone else has been filling in as moderator.

    I am willing to release you from the black list, provided you refrain from making other commenters the subject of your comments, and instead focus on critiquing ideas or engaging in constructive debate. If I delete one of your comments, there’s a reason. Contact me if you want to know why; if you repost the comment, you will be added to the black list immediately.

    Kim Bradford

  61. donjames says:

    LMAO, how long until this thread is removed. Tick, tick, tick…

    So… using Kim’s rationale, you may engage a fellow contributor – just don’t “make them the subject of your comments, and instead focus on critiquing ideas or engaging in constructive debate.”

    First of all, “critiquing ideas or engaging in constructive debate” without making “them the subject of your comments” is impossible. The two are not mutually exclusive.

    Secondly, if this IS the criteria, they consistently look the other way when regular trolls flagrantly abuse it. And I’m going to go ahead and say this contradiction of supposed policy is waaaaaay more common with left wing trolls than with moderates or conservatives.

    Two recent posts come to mind. Just in the last few days one leftist troll called Roncella stupid, and another called someone an “asshole”. Both posts remained up well over 24 hours, and I bet they are still up.

    Hypocrisy on display, courtesy of TNT?

  62. And my suspicions have been confirmed that TNT staffers post here to change the direction of the thread or to liven it up, thanks to what i do.

    Keep up the fine work!

  63. “consistently look the other way when regular trolls flagrantly abuse it”

    BINGO… I’ve seen them go so far as to edit out “bagger” and insert “partier” on a lefty post that was pure personal attack…

  64. It’s like a basketball game to me, I’m not asking the refs for consideration, I just want the game called the same both ways, and no superstar treatment(s).

  65. Roll_On says:
    March 24, 2011 at 8:27 am
    Hey judas, why are your panties in a bunch this morning? I am not sure what you are going on about and why are you so sensative to the word nannies?

    I am sorry you still haven’t gotten over that incident LAST November.

    ——————————————————————————————————–
    The one you denied? I’m amused you remembered the month. I had to check the email to make sure.

    Like I said, you love to dish, but don’t take it so well.

  66. I think it’s funny that the “TEA PARTY” originated the bag name, but then got upset when they realized the made fools of themselves.

  67. I think it’s funny that Anderson Cooper used it to besmirch the TEA Party… being a probable practitioner thereof and all… another example of homophobic comments by a lefty that get a pass ;)

  68. Want some cheese with that whine?

  69. “being a probable practitioner thereof and all”

    Don’t you just love Reich Wing Inuendo?

    ::::don’t forget to say “probable” so they can’t sue you for defamation:::::

    LMAO

  70. I wonder if “WhatIDo” knows that the “probable practice” is not limited to homosexuals.

  71. Well as usual the right wing loses the debate, from the very begining I might add, and then they do nothing but attack, attack and troll.
    How sad and pathetic.

  72. The hypocrisy of the 3 right wing whiners on this thread…..amazing.
    They being far more guilty than anyone of what they accuse others of doing!

  73. X_6zero says:
    MARCH 24, 2011 AT 6:11 AM

    I got an extensive email about a Roll_On complaint several months ago.
    ———————————–

    How did you get an extensive email about a complaint I allegedly did, when I never complained. I may have flagged you, but I never complained. But i really don’t remember…….

  74. “I am sorry you still haven’t gotten over that incident LAST November.”

    “How did you get an extensive email about a complaint I allegedly did, when I never complained. I may have flagged you, but I never complained. But i really don’t remember……. “

    Hmmm….now which statement is coming from which side of the mouth?

    Let’s dig a little deeper…

    “11/10/10 – your comments have been reported…..”

    (I’ll not disclose the media person or the rest of their email, but they spoke to me of a comment I directed to you know who……)

    I particularily like “I may have flagged you, but I didn’t complain”…..LOL

    When you quit running for cover anytime someone deals back a dose of what you dealt, you might have the right to use the word “nannie”. Meanwhile, stick to “Mommy”.

  75. xtp855 – you know, I spent about 10 years on AOL Political chats, which make this forum look tame.

    I really don’t mind an insult or twelve, but when someone insults and then reports someone for responding…….that’s just plain childish.

  76. “The flags are on, so you better be on your best behavior. LOL

    Nice to see you talking to yourself again.

    A couple of things come to mind here.

    1. Your threat of “flags” is nothing new and frankly I don’t lose sleep over having a comment or two deleted. It goes with the territory. I fully expect Conservatives to play the “gotcha” game. They did it for 10 years on AOL, I don’t expect it to end any time soon.

    2. “Talking to yourself” Interesting. That’s either a “I know you are but what am I?” or you are making reference to no one responding to my comment. But wait……..YOU DID….about 40 minutes after I posted it.

    3. “Paybacks”? Nope. Just sharing the truth.

  77. whatIdid says:

    “Whining” ??? no, providing perspective… that’s what I did.
    .

  78. perspective – those who accuse others, are probably suffering from guilt

  79. Interesting that this thread has been allowed to continue while, fairly recently, I had a completely innocuous post deleted for no apparent reason other than it was a direct response to whatpastsimpleverb.

  80. Another thing I found interesting was when I tried to go to the RSS feed I had bookmarked for this letter,

    OBAMA: President is removed from reality

    I got a message stating the feed couldn’t be updated because the source file is no longer there. The entire letter was removed.

    The last message I have anyway was from bB with a link about Murdoch’s UK wing. I didn’t see anything worse than what is in this thread with the posts I have on my Mac. Maybe they meant to delete this letter and grabbed the wrong one. In the words of what, kooky……

  81. so nanny works weekends too?

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