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Letter by Vincent S. Hart, University Place on March 16, 2011 at 4:09 pm with 30 Comments »
March 18, 2011 10:19 am

Re: “Fiscal problems falling on the shoulders of children” (Katie Baird column, 3-15).

Thanks once again to Baird for reminding us that those with greatest need in our society usually have the least power to assure that those needs are met in the scramble for public funds.

Those with economic power and political influence (the “haves”) get to decide how taxes and other public resources are allocated, and they usually assure that they enjoy the benefits fully. I wait for the day – but without holding my breath – when the “haves” in our human community will say, “Increase my taxes a little so that the ‘have-nots’ can live at least half as well as I do.”

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  1. MarksonofDarwin says:

    This has got to be the most simple minded and shallow letter ever…and that’s saying something.

    I’m hoping to see several more letters like this.
    Ya know…where someone writes how much they love babies and kittens while patting themselves on the back for their virtuous profundity.

  2. So, Mark, what’s your profound solution? Give businesses everything they want and wait for the good stuff to trickle down? We tried that and it does not work. Next idea?
    Keep in mind that current combined local, state and federal taxes are at their lowest point since about 1950.

  3. Well publico, we had great poverty during the 1950s, the period of time when you claim we had much more robust tax rates. Do you remember Lyndon Johnsons war on poverty? We gave the government high tax rates and waited for poverty to end. We tried that and it didin’t work. Next idea?

  4. MarksonofDarwin says:

    No Publico, that is not my solution.

    Since you asked, I would first start with simplifying and streamlining the federal income tax. I prefer a flat tax, but there are other suggestions as well.
    This won’t happen I’m afraid because people are too used to getting a refund of their own money each year.

    Then, we need to get serious about our spending habits. Personally, I would rather pay for someone to have enough food to eat, than to pay for someone to peer at, and study some obscure bug in a laboratory somewhere, crunching the numbers so as to show how global warming is somehow affecting the bugs short lives.

    In short….we need to prioritize, and that means **everybody** will have one of their favorite programs cut or eliminated. That is…if they are *really* serious about the “have-nots” and not just repeating vacuous and meaningless platitudes to make themselves look and feel good.

    That’s just a couple off the top of my head, but I also really wanted to add that I not only love babies and kittens….unicorns LIVE and they will shower all of us with rich people’s money!

  5. One can suppose the “haves” are also wondering when some of those already a burden on society will decide to use some form of birth control….

    The fact is that redistribution of wealth through government entitlement programs has shown over the last 30-40 years that it only perpetuates the ever growing population of the “have nots”.

    Publico, in many cases you can’t “squeeze blood out of a turnip” – many of us on the taxpaying side simply have no more to give, even if we were as charitable with our hard earned money as you seem to be. On second thought, why don’t YOU give more and not worry your little head too much about the rest of us – many charities are out there, other than using taxation, to help the poor.

    And since it seems that the financial commonsense of our elected officials have declined – like our education system – since 1950, one would question giving them more to mismanage.

  6. MarksonofDarwin says:

    I just thought of a few more:

    End farm subsidies.
    Streamline corporate and business taxes…no more “loopholes” and fix the B&O already!
    And most of all…..End The Fed.!

    A fun video explaining the Federal Reserve…my favorite part?
    “The Federal Reserve has as much to do with the federal government as Federal Express”.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k

  7. BlaineCGarver says:

    Put able bodied welfare sponges (yes, you can hold a job in a wheelchair, or with other disabilities). In fact, start turning out the public employees that whine that the private sector makes so much more, and replace them with work to welfair personnel. The truly needy would be better off with mandatory birth control, budget advice, and a job that handouts that are barely enough to live on.

  8. BlaineCGarver says:

    Also, while I would just as soon see most drug use legalized, if you are on welfare, you can get tested to draw your check, just like I do to hold my job. If you can afford drugs, and booze, you don’t need help…Period.

  9. It’s not a tax problem, it’s spending, fraud, and generational entitlement mentality.

  10. Pecksbadboy says:

    Qualify please, who is a have and who is a have not?

    Is it the about the taxes they pay in proportion to what they make, is it an illegal alien that works under the table and pays no taxes or only elected officials?

    Not much of an argument

  11. T_g: Unemployment in the 1950’s ranged from 3.0 to 6.8 percent.

    The percent of people living below the poverty line was about the same as in 1959 as in 2009 *(8.1 %) but the number of people rose from 12.3 million in 1959 to 24.87 million in 2009.

    Johnson was president from November 1963 until January 1969.

    Mod, fixing the tax code eliminate the tax loop holes that allow corporations to make huge profits yet not pay ANY U.S. taxes.

    BGD: WHERE ARE THE JOBS? China, Mexico, and a host of other countries. In short just about anywhere but the in the USA.

    What: Yes, it is a TAX problem. As in tax revenue are at a 10 year low.

    Peck, how about the rich like Buffet who pays a lower tax rate than his secretary.

    The Governor of Wisconsin makes about 2.3 what the average Wisconsin worker makes. The average CEO makes 324 times what their average work makes yet pays because of loopholes for the rich, pays a lower percentage than the worker pays.

  12. hansgruber says:

    Lets see here, the “have nots” pay NO income taxes (Bottom 47% of tax files have no tax liabilties and the bottom 40% actually make money) The top 2%, pay 50% of the income taxe and the 53% percent of us, the “haves” pay ALL the income tax.

    Now you want more?

    Dumb letter of the day

  13. tree_guy says:

    “how about the rich like Buffet who pays a lower tax rate than his secretary.”

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/03/16/who-has-to-pay/#ixzz1GtKg1rLc

    Well, let’s lower the secretaries tax rate to the same rate Buffet pays. Will that make you happy?

  14. concernedtacoma7 says:

    So the guy who has worked 70+ hours per week, earning advanced degees, and out-performing his peers should not be compensated? Who are you to judge? You are not a stakeholder in his corporation and his pay has zero effect on you. If you are a stakeholder, through stock ownership or as an employee, as the left keeps arguing here you can quit or sell your shares.

    And by pointing out the pay of the most high profile governor in America you are actually making a point that he should be paid more. What is his level of responsiblity vs that of the average state worker? You are basically pointing out that he is not doing it for the money, unlike the union bosses protesting outside his office.

    And Buffet gets most of his income from capital gains, taxed at 15%. This point has been raised many times before, but that money has already been taxes as income then invested. Also, he gives an incredible amount to charity. If his assistant had 5 kids, a mortgage she could not afford and a crack problem she would get a check from the gov’t.

  15. taxedenoughintacoma says:

    There is only one way to fix this. Jobs, jobs, jobs. The democrats in Olympia will tell you this in the town hall meetings. But they are doing nothing in Olympia to help spur job growth. They waste time talking about red light and what’s in your lawn fertilizer. Do you think they know what I know? Government can’t create jobs. They only pass laws that burden businesses. We are in a downward spiral and the dems in Olympia don’t know how to get us out. They can do only two things. Raise taxes and SPEND,SPEND,SPEND.

  16. A “have not” is some one who “wants” what someone else “has”.

    A “have” is someone who “has” what someone else “wants”… I know,

    Kooky.

  17. the3rdpigshouse says:

    The “haves” may even employ more “have nots” if the government was not controlled by socialist democrats led by a marxist/socialist named “OH-Bummer”!! A job is much more personally rewarding and benficial to society than a handout from the socialist democrat trough!!!

  18. Where are the Jobs, Gone overseas, HA HA HA.
    Who sent them there, the CEO’s who work so hard.
    What does Boehner do, calls a emergency session.
    Got to defund that evil National Public Radio HI HO HI HO.

  19. concernedtacoma7 says:

    The brass at NPR make how much again??? Incredible that you defend that waste of money when people there are making almost a million per year, which you have complained about in the last 24 hours alone.

    The fact that NPR is partisan is not desputable. It does not justify public funding, period.

  20. david1943 says:

    Jobs are gone overseas because You buy the stuff made overseas. So, stop buying the things made in China. Then when you go to the store and see that a new,made in the USA rake cost twice as much as the Chinese rake. Just pay up because that’s what you’ve been crying about.

  21. Vincent, What rock have you been living under. The Government all ready does permit the have-nots to live half the way you do! when they live without paying rent,have phone service at a cheaper price,free medical and dental( to include braces for their kids), spend there foodstamps on any thing they want except for the lottery. Yes,they are allowed to spend it on cable tv with dvr, strip clubs, cigarettes, alcohol,broadband internet, cellphone services,& Starbucks. Without having to get up at o dark thirty to work for it like the majority of us do. So come out from under your rock and open your eyes.

  22. Taxed:
    Our Democratic Governor and our Democratic controlled Legislature have been cutting, and cutting, and cutting the budget. The only thing the repbulicons want to do is cut taxes for the rich and increase corporate welfare.

    Concerned:
    Taxes have been paid on the money Buffet invests, but not on what is gains in the market, so why should the gains be taxed at a lower rate?

    “brass at NPR make ???” why not do some research and let us all know? And while you are at it, let us know how NPR salaries compare to those at say FOX.

    Dave, do we have a choice? Try finding consumer goods that have not been made overseas. Rare is the item than is made in the USA.

  23. blakeshouse says:

    jobs are FORCED overseas by the socialists /neo marxists who regulate to death any and all mfg, unions who, once their foot is in the door require an extra 30% of workers to be added to payrolls to spread more of the wealth nad what is left for the owners and investors is further skimmed from for Cadilac health plans and over the top retirements. All of this is insured by those unions dumping obscene amounts of money into the war chests of the socialists who jump whenever the unions say boo

  24. So:
    CEO’s are forced to make 300 – 500 times what their workers make;

    The rich are forced to horde $1.8 trillion in overseas accounts;

    “American” Corporations and the rich are forced to accept government hand outs in to form of direct tax breaks, subsidies and blotted government contracts;

    “American” corporations are forced to make record profits; and

    Are forced to not pay any US taxes due to sweetheart loop holes in the US tax code?

  25. The gopcult’s sociopathic ideology clearly supports the “haves”. What is so astounding is the gopcult members in this forum who are the ‘have nots’ yet continue to support a cult whose soul purpose is to create more ‘have nots’. These poor exploited souls have been hoodwinked by savvy political propaganda. Their NEED to belive in the destructive gop ideology is more important than facts, more important than their own economic interests. and more important to them then our country.
    It’s stunning to watch these ‘have not’s worry that the rich is paying too much in taxes… brilliant mind**** to teach these exploited people to worry about the poor rich paying too much….

  26. MarksonofDarwin says:

    These “cuts” in the state budget aren’t cuts at all.

    First, we have been spending MORE each biennium than we did the last. We blew past the budget forecast for the 09/11 biennium, and created a deficit.

    Now, we have to somehow make up that shortfall, and the legislature, along with the governor wants to spend MORE in addition to the deficit in the 11/13 budget.

    So…our state government is “trimming” the budget back to a level that is actually HIGHER than the previous biennium.

    Only in government spending would you find such twisted and incomprehensible accounting.

    I would like to know what world somebody is living in where they simply can’t see this as a SPENDING problem.
    Please…enlighten us all on how spending more is actually spending less…

  27. BlaineCGarver says:

    Lenin and Stalin are laughing their butts off in hades at the Libs these days…..they had no idea that socialism would catch on so fast. All ya have to do is make lazy people envious of those that go to school, work their butts off, take risks and make tons of money. I’m where I’m at (lower middle class, blue collar) because that’s exactly the effort I put into it….and, BTW, very happy where I’m at.

  28. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Xring- Since you played ignorant, here is the answer.

    President and CEO Patricia de Stacy Harrison received $298,884 in reportable compensation and another $70,630 in other compensation from the organization and related organizations that year

    Kevin Klose, president emeritus of NPR, who received more than $1.2 million in compensation, according to the tax forms the nonprofit filed in 2009.

    Sesame Workshop President and CEO Gary Knell received $956,513 in compensation in 2008.

  29. Concerned – half way there. What do their counterparts make at FOX?

    For the record, NPR gets about $5 million in federal funds via the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

    The defunding bill also says the Corporation may not disburse federal funds to NPR, but does not require the Corporation to return the funds to the Treasury. So PBS TV just got a $5 million bump.

  30. The gopcult and their loaded word entitlements. Notice the gopcult members dont use the word when talking about the TRILLIONS of dollars worth of entitlements given to their gods the corporation. Again, just another example of how the gopcult elite exploit their rank and file. Helping our citizens is wrong in gopcult ideology.

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