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WISCONSIN: GOP outmaneuvers missing Dems

Letter by Tim J. Mellema, Puyallup on March 10, 2011 at 2:16 pm with 181 Comments »
March 10, 2011 2:16 pm

Awesome! Wisconsin voters had sent a clear and convincing message in the last vote that they needed politicians with the political stomachs to make hard cuts and balance the budget. When Democrats fled the state instead of doing the business they were elected to, many people saw them as some sort of folk heroes.

Amusingly, these are the same people who had no issue with President Obama shoving through his health care takeover when he had a filibuster-proof Senate. But when the shoe was on the other foot, it was somehow not cowardly of these senators to run for the state lines.

The GOP leaders knew they could do exactly what they did since the beginning. In an amazing show of statesmanship, they gave the Democrats more than three weeks to return. A few of the Democrats reportedly wanted to return, but were unable to because of their “union bosses.”

At the end of the day, democracy worked. A simple procedural move to make it a “non-budgetary” issue, and it is now over. I hope the senators who fled are ashamed of themselves.

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  1. olbluedoc says:

    “Democracy” my A$$. It’s truly pathetic that people can condone what the Nazi’s have done in Wisconsin. The only reason they went after the unions was to cripple the Democratic Party. When they do that, then they can take over every aspect of our lives. They’ll hand over all of our tax dollars to Halliburton, the Koch brothers, the Waltons and whoever else they’re in bed with. And when you have nothing left – blame Obama. In the end we’ll not be Dems or Repubs…..we’ll either be dissidents or Sympathizers.

  2. Excellent, Tim. The Dems had no problem calling the Republicans the party of “No” but when the roles were reversed, they didn’t have the courage to say “No”. Instead, they decided to become the party of “No-show”. Maybe someone should tell them they don’t just represent Democrats in their district. They represent Republicans and Independents too and they want the cowards back in the Statehouse doing their jobs.

    Olbluedoc – a little over the top. You mean what the majority party has done in Wisconsin, right? Like showing up for work and following the law?

  3. JudasEscargot says:

    Depending on the poll 50 to 70% of Wisconsin residents are unhappy about this activity. Can anyone say “recall”? Let’s take the GOP lapdog – Rasmussen:

    “Most Wisconsin voters oppose efforts to weaken collective bargaining rights for union workers but a plurality are supportive of significant pay cuts for state workers. Governor Scott Walker is struggling in the court of public opinion, but how badly he is struggling depends upon how the issue is presented. There is also an interesting gap between the views of private and public sector union families.

    A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Wisconsin voters shows that just 39% favor weakening collective bargaining rights and 52% are opposed. At the same time, 44% support a 10% pay cut for all state workers. Thirty-eight percent (38%) are opposed. That’s partly because 27% of Wisconsin voters believe state workers are paid too much and 16% believe they are paid too little. Forty-nine percent (49%) believe the pay of state workers is about right.”

    Following the law? What about the 24 hour notice for meetings law, issued by the GOP Attorney General?

    The law wasn’t followed and THAT is precisely what will enable the citizens to recall 8 GOP senators immediately, and a GOP governor by next January.

    I, for one, am glad the GOP senators and governor broke the law.

  4. JudasEscargot says:

    Then there is USA Today/Gallup –

    “The public strongly opposes laws taking away the collective bargaining power of public employee unions as a way to ease state financial troubles, according to a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll.
    The poll found that 61% would oppose a law in their state similar to one being considered in Wisconsin, compared with 33% who would favor such a law”

  5. GHTaxPayer says:

    WOULD YOU BELIEVE ?

    During the past 4 weeks while the battle of taxpayers vs. overpaid unions has raged on, public unions throughout Wisconsin have been negotiating for RAISES and INCREASED benefits? This tells us all we need to know about the corrupt, bloated, Democrat party money laundering machine AKA public unions.

    One of the things they were fighting to protect was the triple and quadruple overtime clause for 40+ hours and holiday pay. The rest of us are happy to even have jobs, let alone ask for time and a half !

    Thank God for Scott Walker, Chris Christie and the rest of the brave GOP soldiers fighting to save our country.

    Next time you see a liberal, hit ‘em upside the head with a strong dose of REALITY.

  6. Rollo_Tomassi says:

    oldbluedoc wrote…

    “The only reason they went after the unions was to cripple the Democratic Party”

    This statement can only be true if the unions had allied themselves with the Democrats. And if the unions have allied themselves with the Democrats, they made themselves fair game when the political tide turned. That’s the price unions pay for politicizing themselves.

  7. “union bosses” the new boogeyman of the Regressives.

    So…..let me get this straight…..it is undemocratic when Democrats pass legislature without Republicans but democratic when Republicans do it without Democrats?

  8. Mr. Mellema, apples to oranges does not make a comparison. It does make a nice fruit salad though.
    Wisconsin’s unfunded pension and healthcare liabilities are among the lowest in the nation yet the Republican Governor found it necessary to totally destroy public union bargaining ability. Why do you suppose that is?
    South Dakota and Florida are the only states with lower liabilities and Wisconsin’s is less than $1000 per household and that is with a severe economic downturn just barely behind us. That unfunded liability problem also needs to be taken in the context that there are over 20 states that pride themselves as being right-to-work states and their unfunded liabilities are all higher than Wisconsin’s.
    It was union busting plain and simple and it is an atrocity.

  9. This none-budget-union-busting bill does several things.

    First and for most it shows that the neocons hate America and American workers.

    Shows that the original bill was never about the budget.

    Reorganizes the state government so that all department heads report directly to the governor, bypassing all legislative and regulatory oversight.

    Gives department heads (read that as the governor) the power to sell state power, heating, and cooling plants without seeking public bids or ever notifying the legislature or the public.

    A recently passed bill in Michiganis;

    Cuts state funding to local governments and school boards

    Gives to Governor the authority to declare them bankrupt

    Gives the Governor sole authoitu to appoint a Czar to take over, dismiss all
    elected officials, and cancel all union contracts.

    Makes the CZAR anserable only to the Governor.

    That sure does not sound like Democracy to me.

    If the GOP is allowed to contiuue along this lines the U.S. will become one big banana republic consisting of 50 little Banana republics.

  10. JudasEscargot says:

    “GHTaxPayer says:
    March 10, 2011 at 3:42 pm
    WOULD YOU BELIEVE ?

    NO

  11. GHT your ‘would you believe’ post is one big flat out lie.
    The Wisconsin Unions had already agreed to ALL the fiscal conditions in the Walker.

    Which never include you ridiculous clams of quadruple over time.

    As for reality, YOU are the one that needs a good dose. Or a lobotomy.

    R_T go look up Citizens United. Union donations are monies earned in the U.S. by American Workers, unlike the foreign government and corporate funds sucked up by the Chamber of Commerce.

  12. the3rdpigshouse says:

    Let me get this straight – the socialist democrat legislators in Wisconson are the minority party! They don’t like the path the voters elected Walker to follow so, they leave the State and try to force Walker to only follow the path that the minority wants to follow!

    Now when “OH-Bummer” was jamming his unconstitutional “OH-Bummercare” down the throats of the American people – I guess the Republicans in the Congress should have just went home until the socialist democrats pulled “OH-Bummercare” off the table!! Sounds like the socilist democrats are only happy when their agenda is being implemented. They are a disgusting political party and should be banned as an anti-American political machine!!!

  13. JudasEscargot says:

    “Amusingly, these are the same people who had no issue with President Obama shoving through his health care takeover when he had a filibuster-proof Senate.”

    If this is an example of the letter writer’s ability to tell the truth, we might as well consider the entire letter a lie.

    The Healthcare bill passed (December 24, 2009) without a filibuster proof Senate that only existed from July 8, 2009 (Franken’s swearing in) to August 25, 2009 (Ted Kennedy’s death).

    It’s amazing how these CONservatives can make up their own history.

  14. “The Wisconsin Unions had already agreed to ALL the fiscal conditions in the Walker.”

    Cool, so when the Wisconsin Democrats get back to work they can pass this part of the bill… lickety split… awesome… movin on….

  15. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Judas- didn’t they pass it under reconciliation rules only requiring a simple majority?

  16. Since the state employees had agreed to making contributions to their pension plans and health insurance benefits, why was necessary to eliminate collective bargaining? And, why wasn’t the same position taken with police officers and other public safety unions? Simple questions, No? Any of you can give an answer without the political rhetoric, i.e., name calling?

    It is interesting thousands of people show up for one or two government jobs when they are posted.

    Can you please define what you are calling a ‘family wage’ job?

    It would be interesting if those of you who are against collective bargaining and the union workers, public or private, please indicate your wage and benefit packages.

    Are you highly compensated corporate executives, whose compensation is based on the corporate net profit?

    Are you on public assistance and envious of public servants?

    According to Newsweek several months ago, wage earner productivity rose 91% over the same period of time ages increased 19%. It would appear maybe some non union workers need to have collective bargaining to improve their lot rather than tearing down the compensation of their friends and neighbors.

  17. In Dec 2009 the health care bill passed with 58 Dems and 2 Independents… with the bribes and all…

  18. hortonpeak says:

    That said, it seems most of us are fighting amongst ourselves. Perhaps, the idea of “divide and conquer” might be of some use. Go fourth and conquer – but then maybe not. Totaloo.

  19. klthompson says:

    Excellent letter Tim. Don’t let the bleating of the sheep get you down.

  20. JudasEscargot says:

    “concernedtacoma7 says:
    March 10, 2011 at 4:36 pm
    Judas- didn’t they pass it under reconciliation rules only requiring a simple majority?

    Do you have a citation to support that, or do you want me to do your homework for you?

  21. JudasEscargot says:

    “During the past 4 weeks while the battle of taxpayers vs. overpaid unions has raged on, public unions throughout Wisconsin have been negotiating for RAISES and INCREASED benefits?”

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/03/10/wi-gop-outmaneuvers-missing-dems/#ixzz1GFUa1SKD

    Another lie.

  22. JudasEscargot says:

    Why lie, GHTax?

    “Unions Concede on Money Issues in Wisconsin
    Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

    With no political compromise in sight on Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s budget-repair bill, tens of thousands of demonstrators with strong opinions of their own converged Saturday inside and outside the state Capitol to chant, sing, wave signs, beat drums and march for their causes…

    The protesters descended on Madison as Walker, through a spokesman, rejected an overture from a Democratic state senator who said public employee unions had agreed to make financial sacrifices contained in the bill in return for the right to bargain collectively.”

  23. Bleakhouse, pighouse, the difference between the US Senate and the Wisconsin Senate is the former has filibuster, the latter does not. Only fools fight when they cannot win. The wise withdraw to seek a more advantages situation.

    Concern: how can there be reconciliation when the Wisconsin Senate had not voted on the bill in the first place?

    A32, imo a family wage would be a living wage. See http://www.livingwage.geog.psu.edu/

    Rr, and the GOP senators stayed to their honor and voted the way they had been paid to vote.

    KLT, fear the army of sheep that is about to stop a mud hole in the corrupt un-american republicon party.

  24. xring – and the Dem Senators voted the way they were paid to vote too. Just ask Nelson and Blanche… we agree!!! WOW!

  25. menopaws says:

    A friend of mine pointed out that the Republicans are, once again, suffering from the delusions of a wider mandate than they received……And, over-reaching. I keep waiting for John Boehner and all those Tea Party types who campaigned on “Jobs, Jobs, Jobs” to get off their butts and step away from the microphones long enough to do what they promised……But, of course, that “social agenda” they are so fond off, is keeping them very busy. Persecuting American Muslims, railing against NPR, Public Television, abortion and health care, and, of course, homosexual marriage—-they have just been way to busy to keep their campaign promises!!!! But, Governor Walker did…… and in 2012 Republicans can thank him for record union turnout while they are packing up their offices…….and getting their underwear out of the desk drawers!!!!! Nothing like a zealot to get people to run screaming back to the Democrats……

  26. JudasEscargot says:

    “rr98411 says:
    March 10, 2011 at 6:20 pm
    xring – and the Dem Senators voted the way they were paid to vote too. Just ask Nelson and Blanche… we agree!!! WOW! ”

    Yeah….Nelson of Omaha, land of the insurance company and Blanche of Jindahlville.

    You guys love them when the vote against the party, but accuse them from being bought off when they don’t.

    Sort of like the early black quarterbacks that, if they ran for a touchdown, they were showboating.

  27. “You guys love them when the vote against the party, but accuse them from being bought off when they don’t.”

    They are all bought off… same influential money that comes from different pockets… duh!

  28. JudasEscargot says:

    rr – do those pickets hurt when you keep jumping back and forth over the fence?

  29. JudasEscargot says:

    “A simple procedural move to make it a “non-budgetary” issue”

    Yeah, it’s called a lie. For three weeks you say it’s all about budget, but then for one vote you say it’s not about budget.

  30. Judas – like I said in the other discussion thread… I am under no illusions that there is big money behind the GOP… please don’t pretend their is not big money behind the Dems…

    It is one big slimy sandbox… GOP on one side… Dems on the other… each trying to entice those in the middle so they can take their lunch money…

  31. It’s all great theater and has kept the cable channels humming along. The tactic of getting out of town by the Donkeys worked, at least for awhile, and gave their President a 2012 campaign issue, but in the end the Elephants had the votes. Having the votes is a better tactic. I love our great Republic.

  32. hortonpeak says:

    As I said, way back when. I submit most of you would at some level agree on more than you disagree. Meantime, those who want to destroy the increasingly smaller middle sit back and watch us destroy each other. However, I think they, being also not aware of what they have set in motion, will not be real pleased with the result. Sort of like, the “winner” of a full scale nuclear exchange who crawls out of their bunker, surveys the wasteland and in great glee raises their hand to the sky and exclaims, “We (not many we’s left) won!”. Wow, I want that kind of victory. Think about it folks.

  33. Wow… Godwin’s Law on the first response… (kind of a theme among the Wisc. delinquents)
    .
    Mean while…
    http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/03/08/1575673/npr-exec-blasts-tea-party-in-hidden.html (not to mention the following story where another NPR “exec” resigns )…

    Kooky?

  34. donjames says:

    menopaws says:

    “A friend of mine pointed out that the Republicans are, once again, suffering from the delusions of a wider mandate than they received……And, over-reaching.”

    Winning!

    My God, pause, do you not even remember the whole 0bamacare debacle? How about the 2010 mid-terms?

    Geez, I think Charlie Sheen has a few clues he could sell ‘ya.

  35. BigSwingingRichard says:

    The real truth is that the teachers’ union in WI does not want their members to be able to decide if they want to pay compulsory union dues.

    When this new law becomes effective, the union will be required to follow the will of the union members and if (when) they do not, the members will not support them. What the union absolutely does not want is true democracy within the union.

    Now they will be accountable to their own members. What is wrong with this?

  36. donjames says:

    JudasEscargot says:

    “Depending on the poll 50 to 70% of Wisconsin residents are unhappy about this activty.”

    Or we could take the new Gallup poll that shows that, nationally, Americans favor the WI method by a 49% to 44% margin:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/146525/Americans-Message-States-Cut-Dont-Tax-Borrow.aspx

    You should find the results of the rest of this poll data quite… sobering as well, Judy.

    HTH

  37. Rr – Nelson and Lincoln cut political deals (ethical); the GOP were bribed by the insurance companies (not ethical).

    Next big move by the GOP, cull the voting lists of groups that don’t support the GOP.

  38. klthompson says:

    JudasEscargot:

    In an earlier posting you incorrectly stated that the Wisconsin vote was illegal because 24 hours notice before a vote was required. For a regular session that is Wisconsin law. For a special session, which is what was in effect at the time of the vote, no notice is required.

  39. rr – Nelson and Lincoln cut political deals (ethical); the GOP were bribed by the insurance companies (not ethical).

    I guess being down here in the gutter for as long as you have, you can’t tell the difference between one brand of crap vs another brand of crap.

    Nelson and Lincoln cut “political” deals… “ethical”… I started laughing until it dawned on me how pitiful this rationalization is…

    Man, being down here in the gutter with you guys is fun….

  40. ItalianSpring says:

    Tim- truly a Homerun letter, and the effluence from the freedom haters proves it.

  41. Last night the WI state legislators had to run out of the capital since the had to catch a plane to Washington DC for a corporate fund raiser, because they are really for the little guy (not).

    The republican the WI Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald admitted on Fox news this union busting bill was not really about the state’s budget but about political power and the 2012 election. Even though he has been claiming it was just about the budget for weeks.
    http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/117765803.html?page=1

    The republicans won the battle against those mean anti-American teachers and public workers (sarcasm) but they have not won the war.

  42. It’s time the public employees showed Walker what togetherness is all about.

    It’s time for a walkout. Bigtime!

  43. down in the gutter” where else would on find neocons in disparate need of a dose of reality, history science and reason.

  44. JudasEscargot says:

    “klthompson says:
    March 10, 2011 at 8:55 pm
    JudasEscargot:

    In an earlier posting you incorrectly stated that the Wisconsin vote was illegal because 24 hours notice before a vote was required. For a regular session that is Wisconsin law. For a special session, which is what was in effect at the time of the vote, no notice is required.”

    KLTHOMPSON – where did you get that piece of information? From a Wisconsin Republican that makes up the rules as they go? A Democratic Assemblyman was quoting the law on video as the GOP Senators ignored him and took their vote. What constituted a “special session” when the Senate was already working? What about the “two hour law” that they also violated?

    This all makes a recall a very simple process.

  45. Rollo_Tomassi says:

    Polago,

    I don’t believe WI public workers will walk-out, and I do believe it would hurt their cause if they did. A walkout simply loads the Governor’s guns for him with anti-union ammunition and will paint state workers as greedy and uncooperative. You can dream about a walkout, but I don’t think it would be in the state workers best interests to actually do it.

    And with 9% unemployment….

  46. JudasEscargot says:

    Rollo – you’re correct. The Senate stripped their right to strike and walk out also.

    But….as we’ve been told….this is all about budget.

    Let the recall process settle the issue. It’s a slower road but the one that must be taken.

  47. JudasEscargot says:

    Oh…and then there is this….

    “WASHINGTON — At least three of the Wisconsin state Senate Republicans currently demanding that public workers sacrifice benefits, wages and even collective bargaining rights for the sake of the budget have applied for and received hundreds of thousands of dollars in federal farm subsidies, a Huffington Post review of state and federal records shows.

    From 1995 through 2009, state Sens. Luther Olsen, Dale Schultz and Sheila Harsdorf all had stakes in farms that received between them more than $300,000 in taxpayer funds.”

    Watch folks, the attack on Huffpo begins momentarily, although it’s a review of public records.

  48. The only leverage union members have is their ability to withhold their labor as a group, solidarity.

    Public opinion is meaningless.

  49. nonstopjoe says:

    The problem confronting state workers walking off the job – is people might discover a lack of need for so many state workers.

  50. donjames, your poll was conducted by calling “1,021”…”landlines” between 3mar-6mar11.

    Really, landlines? Who still has landlines? In general it’s older people i.e. more conservative pool of respondents. Granted, older people vote more, but that’s the point, Walker may be awakening people he would rather have not aware of his theatrics.

  51. JudasEscargot says:

    jellee – I have a landline. When soliciters call they get my fax machine screaming at them. LOL

  52. D_J, Rasmussen tried manipulating their polls results by re-phrasing the question. The lowest level of support for the WI state workers was 57% .

  53. “down in the gutter” where else would on find neocons in disparate need of a dose of reality, history science and reason.”

    dude, all I did was follow the trash that passes for discourse and this is where it led me…

    Sue… Dunning… you may be more observate than I give you credit for… though I do think you are insinuating the wrong group of people…

  54. JudasEscargot says:

    xring – amen

  55. JudasEscargot says:

    Just to stop any further lies about the Wisconsin law:

    “Public notice of every meeting of a governmental body shall be given at least 24 hours prior to the commencement of such meeting unless for good cause such notice is impossible or impractical, in which case shorter notice may be given, but in no case may the notice be provided less than 2 hours in advance of the meeting.”

    The Democratic assemblyman got an email notice less than two hours before the meeting. Thank goodness emails are time stamped.

  56. Senate Rule 93 (2)
    (2) A notice of a committee meeting is not required other than posting on the legislative bulletin board, and a bulletin of committee hearings may not be published.

    Senate Rule 93 (3)
    (3) The daily calendar is in effect immediately upon posting on the legislative bulletin boards. The calendar need not be distributed.

    Senate Rule 93 (4)
    (4) Any point of order shall be decided within one hour.

  57. Rob Marchant, Clerk of the Senate

    “There was some discussion today about the notice provided for the legislature’s conference committee. In special session, under Senate Rule 93, no advance notice is required other than posting on the legislative bulletin board. Despite this rule, it was decided to provide a 2 hour notice by posting on the bulletin board. My staff, as a courtesy, emailed a copy of the notice to all legislative offices at 4:10, which gave the impression that the notice may have been slightly less than 2 hours. Either way, the notice appears to have satisfied the requirements of the rules and statutes.”

  58. Roncella says:

    Congradulations to Governor Walker. He is keeping his promise to the voters of Wis. who sent him to office to balance an out of control Budget and stop the spending by out of control democrats who for years have bankrupted state Government in Wis. along with Union Bosses in Control of Pubic employee Unions for years.

    Hopefully this is just the beginning and other states like Indiana, Illinois, New Jersey, New York will follow along the example set by Governor Walker.

    Governor Walker save over 1500 jobs by winning this battle. In four years if he has not assisted in providing a healthy business climate and thousands of jobs have not returned to Wi. the voters can vote him out, thats how democracy works.

    As the Great Community Organizor, President Obama once said, “We Won, You Lost”, get over it.

  59. mrenchirito says:

    Once again Judas’ left-wing propaganda is discredited with actual facts from a cited source.

    Still nobody from the left is outraged that 14 people fled their state, refusing to do the job they were elected to do. But the time period about a notice for a meeting gets them riled up (eye roll).

    Kudos to Governor Walker and the WI Republicans for doing what they said they would do, standing firm against the union whiners and thugs, and passing meaningful reform to help the state.

  60. Ron – the Republicans in WI were able to pass this BECAUSE it was non-budgetary. How can you then turn around and claim “balance an out of control Budget and stop the spending”

  61. Ask a person if they wanna “STRIP” collective bargaining rights and I would even answer NO.

    Ask me if I want to “LIMIT” collective bargaining rights… I would answer YES.

    Let the dueling polls begin…

  62. “Walker has only proded the sleeping dragon.
    The other foolish governors will awaken it.”

    Demonize Walker all you want… the sleeping dragon is nothing more than union management… you are fighting against non-union taxpayers who don’t have anymore to give them… sorry.

  63. mrenchirito says:

    xring, try to follow along. I didn’t say anything about any polls. My comment was regarding the 14 Senators failing to meet their job requirements and JE’s ridiculous post about meeting notices.

    rr’s source cited was state.wi.us. As usual I didn’t see any source cited from JE.

  64. Wisconsin Senate Rule 93 applies to Special, extended or extraordinary sessions, which the WI senate was not in, therefore the following applies:

    Wisconsin Senate Rule 34: all bills and joint resolutions shall after being distributed shall lay over one day before being considered.

    http://legis.wisconsin.gov/rules/SenateRules.html#Rule%2093

  65. mrenchirito says:

    Assembly Democrats sent a letter to the Dane County district attorney to look into the legality of Wednesday night’s conference committee meeting.

    “Democrats claim Wisconsin’s Open Meeting Law was violated because there wasn’t 24 hours’ notice.

    The special legislative committee was formed at four o’clock and its amended budget repair bill passed shortly after six.

    Republicans say because THEY’RE IN SPECIAL SESSION under Senate rule no advance notice is required other than a posting on a bulletin board.”

    http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=14226597

    Now what was that about removing appendages from orifices?

  66. JudasEscargot says:

    Senate Rule 34. Proposals to be on file one day before action. (1) All bills and joint resolutions, and all resolutions except those privileged for immediate consideration under rule 69, shall, after being distributed, lay over one day before being considered.

    (2) The requirement for a one-day layover shall not apply to amendments, but copies of the full text of each amendment shall be distributed to the members before adoption of the amendment.

    (3) Reading at length shall be required for resolutions privileged under rule 69 and for any governor’s veto message unless copies of the full text of such documents have been distributed to the members.

    (4) Any proposal for a certificate under joint rule 7 shall, when received by the senate and whether originating in this house or in the assembly, be laid aside to allow time to the committee on senate organization to examine the proposal for its appropriateness under joint rule 7 (1) and (2). Upon approval by the committee on senate organization and verbal notification thereof to the chief clerk, such proposals shall then be deemed approved by the senate and shall be so recorded in the journal. A written committee report is not necessary.

    [(1), (2) and (3) am. 1995 S.Res. 2]

    I’ll trust the Assemblyman from Wisconsin as opposed to MR

  67. JudasEscargot says:

    “Republicans say because THEY’RE IN SPECIAL SESSION”

    They also say that the issue is about budgets, until the issue being about budgets gets in the way, then the issue isn’t about budgets.

    They can say their gluteous maximus is filet mignon, but it still tastes like….

    It kind of reminds me of Pee Wee Herman in that movie…..

    “I’m sorry, I’m sorry…..I’m not sorry”

  68. Anytime the demokrats lose it’s a happy day! The whining, whimpering, cry-baby socialist dogs lost big time. All of this at the same time NPR is doing a thorough house cleaning. To read the comments from the libs posting here just makes it that much better. There is justice in this world after all! Haaaaa!

  69. JudasEscargot says:

    I do believe the word is…..uh……RECALL

  70. (I just apologized to my dog for comparing her to a socialist). No dog deserves that.

  71. JudasEscargot says:

    frosty – RECALL

  72. JudasEscargot says:

    Call your dog. Call her again.

    that’s RECALL

  73. Judas, hold your breath!

  74. Judas, My dog is smart enough that she only needs to be called once. Unlike libs who have to be told over and over again.

  75. good try at spin… it was a special session… you know it… stop, please, it’s getting embarrasing.

    And of course you would believe the “Assemblyman” … he is a Democrat… duh!!!

    woof, woof…

  76. mrenchirito says:

    “(2) No notice of hearing before a committee shall be required other than posting on the legislative bulletin board, and no bulletin of committee hearings shall be published.

    (3) The daily calendar shall be in effect immediately upon posting on the legislative bulletin boards. The calendar need not be distributed.

    (4) Any point of order shall be decided within one hour.”

    http://legis.wisconsin.gov/rules/SenateRules.html#Rule 93

    Clear as day, of course Judas will try to argue the Senate wasn’t in special session so the rule doesn’t apply. Only Judas can try to argue against fact with his delusional fantasies.

  77. “Since the law was so well publicized, I didn’t think I’d have to cite the state law by internet address, but some people are so ignorant that no matter how many times something is presented, they’ll deny it strictly for sport.

    You’ll note that in MR’s (oh….I like that!) dispute there was no citation of proof to the contrary – just the same old rhetoric and diatribe about saving the planet or something equally as stupid. BUT WE have to cite the law by internet address…….LOL”

    What??? Do I need to get drunk again to start understanding the “I lost rhetorical BS” that is coming from the board…

    All is not lost Judas, their are demostrations scheduled for tomorrow so that they can do more of this…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y-h5gfnh-M&feature=player_embedded#at=15

  78. It’s not the end of the world. Those “public servants” will just have to learn to make it on their pittance from the taxpayers like they do in over 20 other non-union states. Now that they are done trashing the Wisconsin Capital building like the low-lifes that they are, maybe their fellow civil-servants can get to work and clean up their mess. The Tea party folks showed in real life the difference between the left and the right. The leftists just can’t help themselves. They trash everything they touch. What a bunch of worthless whiners.

  79. The current secession of the Wisconsin Legislature is a regular scheduled secession. It is not a special, extended, or extraordinary session, so Rule 34 (one-day delay) applies, not Rule 93.

    No amount of right wing spin can change that.

    Rr,
    no matter how hard Rasmussen luntzified the question they could not get the pro union number below 57%.

    ‘sleeping dragon – only union management’ have you seen the size of the anti-walker – pro union detonations in Wisconsin and elsewhere? Here’s a clue: teachers, and nurses, and fireman, oh my!

    Frosty you are, as usual, a day late and a dollar short. Every one of you comments has already been proven really, most sincerely, and total wrong.

    Mr: republicans lie a lot. And you’ll have to tell Judas and me how crow tastes.

  80. xring – Thursday session was a special session… please don’t tell me you seriously believe it was a regular scheduled sesison. Not spin but fact…

    I was talking about all polls – suspend collective bargaining vs limit collective bargaining. I don’t need Luntz, Gallup, Quiniac, Rasmussen nor anyone else to tell me most would answer one way for one and another way for the other. Not spin just common sense…

    A sleeping dragon that has been told thye can’t have their milk and cookies as much as they use to….. No spin just wwaaaaah….

  81. mrenchirito says:

    Yes, it has been verified the Thursday session in question was in fact a special session.

    No amount of ANY spin can change that.

    I guess that’s what happens when 14 cowards fail to show up for work.

  82. rr go home your mommy is calling.

    mren: prove it! Beyond becase they said so; Hint: Start with who has the power to call a specal sesion, then find out what a special secession is.
    Maybe rr will share his milk and cookies with you.

  83. JudasEscargot says:

    “rr98411 says:
    March 11, 2011 at 2:35 pm
    xring – Thursday session was a special session… please don’t tell me you seriously believe it was a regular scheduled sesison. Not spin but fact..

    mrenchirito says:
    March 11, 2011 at 2:42 pm
    Yes, it has been verified the Thursday session in question was in fact a special session.

    Well….let’s see….where it the citation that proves theses statements? Oh. There is none. Imagine that!

    The legislature is in session. How can one meeting be a “special session”?

    Note that MR, in typical MR fashion has edited the law to suit her needs.

    I think the Democrats of Washington should call a “special session” to take a majority vote that says any initiative ever brought up by Tim Eyman (past or future) is no longer a law”, take a quick vote (Dems have majority in both houses) and be done with Eyman forever.

    After all, it’s a special session.

    One word – RECALL.

  84. Roncella says:

    xring, Judas, Let Me Remind You Both of what the Great Communicator, President Obama once told Republicans and Tea Party Folks,

    Listen up both of You, ” We Won, You Lost”, now its time for the big union bosses and the 14 democratic cowards MiA’s to get back to their home state of Wis. and get to work, for the taxpayers who pay for their wages and benefits.

  85. mrenchirito says:

    http://www.channel3000.com/politics/27138601/detail.html

    “Senate Votes to Strip Collective Bargaining Rights
    Assembly to meet in SPECIAL SESSION Thursday

    “The Assemble will be in special sesson at 11 a.m. on Thursday to take up the conference committee bill….”

    There’s your PROOF. There’s your SOURCE. Game, set, match. Read it and weep fools.

  86. mrenchirito says:

    Judas assuming the Wisconsin legislature operates the same way as Washington’s does. Judas does a lot of assuming and usually ends up looking like the first 3 letters of that word.

  87. RR and MR had either one of you read rule 93 you would know that only the Govenor can call a special session.

    Rule 34 rules.

    Rule 93 walks.

  88. xring, If I’m a day late and a dollar short, you are 3 beers short of a six pack. You and your busum buddies lost this one. Face it, the truth only hurts when you live in denial. BTW, I haven’t heard about the “pro-union detonations”, where did you get that one? Are you sure you weren’t watching the refinery fires in Japan?Geezz1

  89. xring, in case you weren’t aware, the governor of Wisconsin is a republican, didn’t you know that he called a special session?…. Well, he did, I heard it.

  90. mrenchirito says:

    xring is almost as bad as Judas in failing to admit error. I guess we are supposed to believe xring who has provided no source instead of the actual news source I cited that specifically stated the senate was in special session.

  91. I find it amazing that two lefties in their underwear sitting in front of a computer proclaim to know more about Wisconsin’s legislative law than the ACTUAL legislative bodies that LIVE in Wisconsin.

    I bet you two have fusion in a jar ready to go to solve all our energy needs too.

    Here is one for Judas, :::::eyeroll:::::

  92. Roll-on, I’ll bet they are not just sitting at the keyboard in their undies, they are also sitting in their mother’s spare bedroom.

  93. JudasEscargot says:

    JudasEscargot says:
    March 11, 2011 at 4:46 pm
    Ronald Reagan (1981): By outlawing Solidarity, a free trade organization to which an overwhelming majority of Polish workers and farmers belong, they have made it clear that they never had any intention of restoring one of the most elemental human rights—the right to belong to a free trade union.

    <this really belongs on this forum

  94. JudasEscargot says:

    “Roll_On says:
    March 11, 2011 at 5:03 pm
    I find it amazing that two lefties in their underwear sitting in front of a computer

    frosty says:
    March 11, 2011 at 5:10 pm
    Roll-on, I’ll bet they are not just sitting at the keyboard in their undies, they are also sitting in their mother’s spare bedroom.

    Conservatives have very interesting fantasies to share online.

  95. JudasEscargot says:

    “mrenchirito says:
    March 11, 2011 at 5:02 pm
    xring is almost as bad as Judas in failing to admit error. I guess we are supposed to believe xring who has provided no source instead of the actual news source I cited that specifically stated the senate was in special session.

    The local TV station blog stipulates “special sessions”?????

    Well, now THAT makes everything different. LMAO. Especially since rade…..oops, I almost got my comment deleted…MR said so……LOL

  96. mrenchirito says:

    No, the local TV station reports the FACT that the legislature was in a special session. But keep on posting how Washington state isn’t in one so Wisconsin must not have been either. We like to laugh at your idiotic statements.

  97. JudasEscargot says:

    Republicans say because they’re in special session, under Senate rule no advance notice is required other than a posting on a bulletin board.”

    Let’s see….what else did the “Republicans say”?

    The Republicans said that the action against union negotiations was budgetary….but wait…..you can’t use nuclear option for budgetary matters, so it was no longer about budgets

    Oh…then one of the Republicans – the Senate leader – said this:

    “If we win this battle, and the money is not there under the auspices of the unions, certainly what you’re going to find is President Obama is going to have a much more difficult time getting elected and winning the state of Wisconsin,”

    But…but…but….wait…..it was supposed to be about budgets. No..wait…it can’t be about budgets because of the nuclear option so it’s about eliminating union votes for the 2012 election.

    But….but….but….I thought Wisconsin was going broke and that was the most important thing……but…..well….uh…I guess not.

    What we’ve learned is that Republicans say a lot of stuff – most of it is false.

    If I RECALL……I think I said this will all help the RECALL.

  98. mrenchirito says:

    Oh so now Republicans own the local news link I posted. LOL!

    What we’ve learned is that Judas wouldn’t know a fact if it bit him on the rear. What a sad, sad display by Judas today.

  99. JudasEscargot says:

    From the Wisconsin Senate Website:
    Proposed 2011-2012 SESSION SCHEDULE AT A GLANCE

    January 3, 2011 Monday, Floorperiod
    January 11, 2011 Tuesday, Floorperiod
    Jan 25 to Feb. 10, 2011 Tu − Th, Floorperiod
    February 22 to 24, 2011 Tu − Th , Floorperiod
    March 8 to 10, 2011 Tu − Th
    Bills sent to Governor March 24, 2011

    WOW…..it looks like the proposed regular session is…..RIGHT NOW. They didn’t get a chance to scrub that part of the website yet. They did throw in a link about “special session” just to CTA, but they forgot to delete this.

    Someone please explain how you can be “in session” but be in “special session”.

    Liars, liars, pants on fire……..LOL

  100. JudasEscargot says:

    Oh shoot….forgot the link…

    http://legis.wisconsin.gov/senhome.htm

    There. All better now.

    Nighty night. My work here is done.

  101. Again I ask, who really gives a flying f about Wisconsin and the coward Dems. Snail seems to have a dog in this fight along with anything islam. Sounds like trolling to me.

  102. mrenchirito says:

    Again Judas showing his ignorance of the WI legislature. You proved that you know schedule of the senate, but you failed to show they weren’t in special session at the time.

    “The lone Democrat present on the special committee, Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca, shouted that the meeting was a violation of the state’s open meetings law. The Senate’s chief clerk said hours later the meeting was properly held.”

    Senate Chief Clerk Robert Marchant said such notice is not needed when the Senate is in special session, but Dreps said he knew of no such exemption.”

    http://www.winonadailynews.com/news/local/state-and-regional/article_054601e7-8e3e-5d74-9032-0f579ab3f8f8.html

    So they we have it straight from the Wisconsin Senate Chief Clerk, THEY WERE IN SPECIAL SESSION. Judas gets debunked yet again.

    Goodnight Judas, I can keep debunking you as often as you keep posting!

  103. JudasEscargot says:

    Even though the website says they were in legislative session….if someone says, “no, no, no…..we were in special session”. That makes it so. Uh-huh.

    It seems to me that there is something about public information and making legislative sessions available to the public or any other person that wants to attend.

    According to MR, who has no clue about Wisconsin but will try to BS her way through it with allegations and “he said”….if a Republican told you pigs fly, you’d better carry an umbrella to avoid the pig manure.

  104. JudasEscargot says:

    ““The people of Wisconsin elected us to come to Madison and do a job,” Fitzgerald said in a statement after the vote. “Just because the Senate Democrats won’t do theirs, doesn’t mean we won’t do ours.”

    “If we win this battle, and the money is not there under the auspices of the unions, certainly what you’re going to find is President Obama is going to have a much more difficult time getting elected and winning the state of Wisconsin,”

    Two statements by Fitzgerald, talking about the same issue. The funny part is that none of the Senate, nor Walker ran on the promise of stopping collective bargaining. Thus statement #1 is a lie and statement #2 is the one that he thought only FOX listeners were nodding off.

    So much for “the Republicans said”. As I recall, George Bush said there was weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, but there wasn’t. It’s SOP for the GOP.

    Republicans, regardless of elected office or bloggers, are liars. Finito.

  105. mrenchirito says:

    If SOMEONE says no? LOL that someone is the state Senate Chief Clerk! Now La, eh Judas thinks he knows more about the WI legislature than the chief clerk! LOL!

    Talk about getting your backside handed to you!

    NOW it’s finito.

  106. mrenchirito says:

    Here’s one more source to put the final nail in Judas’ coffin:
    “There was some discussion today about the notice provided for the legislature’s conference committee. In special session, under Senate Rule 93, no advance notice is required other than posting on the legislative bulletin board. Despite this rule, it was decided to provide a 2 hour notice by posting on the bulletin board. My staff, as a courtesy, emailed a copy of the notice to all legisaltive (sic) offices at 4:10, which gave the impression that the notice may have been slightly less than 2 hours. Either way, the notice appears to have satisfied the requirements of the rules and statutes.

    I thought you might find this information to be useful.

    Thanks.

    Rob

    “Rob” is Rob Marchant, who has been State Senate Clerk since January 20, 2004 according to the most recent Wisconsin Blue Book. (Page 86)”

    http://www.lakeshorelaments.com/?p=8446

  107. mrenchirito says:

    LOL now Judas brings up Bush and WMD’s in a discussion on whether or not the WI legislature was in special session or not!

    Talk about grasping at straws! Divert much?

  108. bobcat1a says:

    I wonder how many times partisans have tasted “victory” only to have it turn to bitter dregs in their mouth.

  109. mmm… milk and cookies time… thanks mommy

    night, night xring… judas… hope the kool-aid gone by morning and you feel better… night, night…

    I’ll get off the computer now… night mommy

  110. Mr: I have read the article 3 times and the is NO mention of the of the Wisconsin Assembly being in special session. But due keep trying. You know what they say about broken clocks and blind squirrels.

  111. If the Assembly was in special secession why did the Repbulcons wait three weeks before calling a kangaroo committee meeting to strip out the budget items so they could pass a Budget Repair Bill with NO budgetary items in it?

    Answer, because the bill was never about the budget.

  112. Will be interesting to see what kind of backlash Walker’s gang will have to deal with. Anyone know WI’s recall rules?

  113. bB, just ask Judas and xring. They are the experts on Wisconsin law you know.

  114. “If the Assembly was in special secession why did the Repbulcons wait three weeks….”

    Because it take a few weeks for the Wisconsin babies to crawl three weeks from Illinois… waaahhhh…

  115. It continues to be overlooked that this bill didn’t include all public unions.

    Those who salivate over this bill and snicker as law enforcement gets a pass, this time (because the GOP needs them, for now) will find out that those who fully understand the concept of solidarity won’t be fooled by this ploy.

    The shallow minded far right is clueless. It’s a good bet that labor has what it takes to get past this bump in the road.

  116. mrenchirito says:

    Well xring, I’ve posted so many links proving they were in special session so I’m not sure which one you missed. Here’s just one. I put it in all caps for the slow readers.

    http://www.channel3000.com/politics/27138601/detail.html

    “Senate Votes to Strip Collective Bargaining Rights
    Assembly to meet in SPECIAL SESSION Thursday

    “The Assembley will be in special sesson at 11 a.m. on Thursday to take up the conference committee bill….”

  117. mrenchirito – just so that you know that you are indeed using the English language in the proper context, form, function and syntax as well as the links that others, per your ample links, are also using the English lanuage properly.

    You (and they) are able to communicate properly that deceptively simple fact – SPECIAL SESSION…

    I get it… ;)

  118. Oh, the sweet taste of victory!! What really makes this victory in Wisconsin especially nice is that the republicans beat the leftists at their own game. The last thing in the world that those wimpie senators expected was for the republicans to use the nuclear option, they thought that only demokrats would use “under-handed” tactics like that. Republicans may be slow learners but they’ve apparently learned that when dealing with liars and cheats, you’ve got to beat them at their own game. This lesson needs to be used at all times when defeating these low-lifes.

  119. JudasEscargot says:

    How can you tell a Republican is lying?

    They say “it’s a budget issue”

    Or

    “It’s a special session”

  120. WI recall: Public officials have to have served one year before they can be called and effort must be backed by 25% of the total voter turnout in the district for local officials, and statewide state officials.

    Pe\olage, am sure the right will spin all the firefighters who showed up in the gear as union thugs in rental costumes.

    MR: You and GOP are confusing a Special Legislative Secession which can only be called by the governor with a Regular Legislative Secession as mandated by state law. Thank and look before you fingers run away.

    Wisconsin, like all states, requires the legislature hold periodic meetings; these are known as Regular Legislative Secessions. When not in secession the GOVERNOR may call a Special Legislative Secession to deal with emergency or other important issuers (which need to be specified by the governor). Both a Regular and a Special Legislative Secession will have a published agenda (times and places of meetings etc). When additional meetings of committees and of the different chambers are called – these are known as special committee meetings or special secessions. To legally call a special secession during a Regular Legislative Session one follows Rule 34. To call a special secession during a Special Legislative Secession one can follow Rule 93.

    Frosty, you are wrong. The GOcons used their trick of rewriting or inoring rules to suit themselves.

  121. JudasEscargot says:

    xring – MR is notorious for making things up on the fly. She’ll take a statement like “Republican leaders said the “special session” blah blah blah” and that makes it “a special session”.

    You could quote law and after law and it won’t change MR. She only pays attention to what she wants to hear or how she can manipulate a statement into what she wants to hear.

    All of the CONservatives are overlooking the point that if this was truly a special session, the nuclear option would have been discussed and executed weeks ago. Rational people know that this is nothing other than gluteous maximum law (the data base from which the law was pulled)

    Be careful of frosty. He is celebrating happy hour early today. Of course that chair will get an extra polishing when he slides to the floor in a stupor.

  122. JudasEscargot says:

    “mrenchirito says:
    March 11, 2011 at 9:02 pm
    LOL now Judas brings up Bush and WMD’s in a discussion on whether or not the WI legislature was in special session or not!

    Talk about grasping at straws! Divert much?

    It’s sad when I have to explain analogies. WI Senate – LIED. Bush – LIED.
    Conservatives – bought both hook, line and sinker. History – proved that Bush lied. History – will prove that WI Senate was not in special session, no matter how may faked emails are ginned up in blogs.

    Common thread? LIES. Come on , MR – you know all about lies….LMAO

  123. JudasEscargot says:

    “The last thing in the world that those wimpie senators expected was for the republicans to use the nuclear option, they thought that only demokrats would use “under-handed” tactics like that.

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/03/10/wi-gop-outmaneuvers-missing-dems/#ixzz1GQGrB28L

    Uh…did I just see frosty admit that the Republicans did something “underhanded” –

    un·der·hand (ndr-hnd) also un·der·hand·ed (ndr-hndd)
    adj.
    1. Marked by or done in a deceptive, secret, or sly manner; dishonest and sneaky.

  124. mrenchirito says:

    Only the delusional left like Judas could try to argue against facts, presented by mutliple unbiased sources, to suit their twisted agenda.

    Oh and xring, the unpartisan Senate Chief Clerk of the state of Wisconsin said no rules were violated. I’ll take an experts word over yours everyday of the week.

    And now this…
    “the Senate has its own rules for special sessions, which is what the Legislature is in when it’s discussing the current budget-repair bill. The rules allow a meeting to take place with no advance notice – just a posting on a bulletin board. Further, the open meetings law defers to legislative rules when the two don’t agree.

    Senate Chief Clerk Rob Marchant said a bulletin board notice was posted two hours in advance but that the committee meeting took place under those special session rules, superseding the open meetings law. He also said the Assembly has a rule almost identical to the Senate’s.”

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/117780348.html

    Case closed, but keep chasing windmills. It’s hilarious watchin you buffoons deny reality!

  125. mrenchirito says:

    “Common thread? LIES”

    Bill Clinton was found guilty in a court for lying. I guess that makes him a Republican using Judas’ twisted reasoning.

    Two words to describe all of Judas’ posts in this thread: EPIC FAIL

  126. Bill Clinton was found guilty in a court for lying. I guess that makes him a Republican

    Finally! A rightist who gets it! Us Lefters have been saying that Clinton was one of the best Presidents the Republicans ever had for quite some time now.

  127. JudasEscargot says:

    MR – The Olympian called. They think you are missing in action. I told them you were here playing referee to your own game.

    One word – RECALL

  128. JudasEscargot says:

    Only MR could twist my analogy. I pointed out the common thread between WI Senate GOP and George Bush – both lied and the Conservatives bought the story.

    Nowhere did I say all liars are Republican. MR asserts that with dragging Bill Clinton into the analogy.

    Now, MR, if you prefer to consider all Republicans as liars, so be it. That’s your take and not mine

    I just drove home the point that Bush and the Wisconsin Senate GOP both lied to the Conservative base and that said base bought both stories.

    When do you think the 6th grade reading level lessons will kick in for you?

  129. JudasEscargot says:

    “Bill Clinton was found guilty in a court for lying. I guess that makes him a Republican using Judas’ twisted reasoning.”

    Naughty, MR. Why would you intimate that all Republicans are liars?

    :::::::::::LMAOoverandoverandoverandover::::::::::::

  130. JudasEscargot says:

    :::::poking stick between bars of cage::::::

  131. JudasEscargot says:

    One big problem with the “special session” excuse….

    According to the Senate website, the Senate was in regular session. Public information laws require that the voters be advised of such things.

    :::::shakes head laughing::::::::

    I’m wondering if there are WMDs in Madison also.

  132. mrenchirito says:

    Yes so the Senate Chief Clerk who’s job it is to enforce the rules, says they were, but Judas says they weren’t so we should believe him!

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!

    Rolling on floor laughing at Judas’ stupidity! Hey Judas, you better go help prevent a meltdown, because you must know nuclear physics too! LOL what a complete joke you are!

  133. Seriously?

  134. JudasEscargot says:

    MR…..I notice you shifted gears on your conclusion that all Republicans are liars.

  135. JudasEscargot says:

    xring already cited the issue – “Wisconsin, like all states, requires the legislature hold periodic meetings; these are known as Regular Legislative Secessions. When not in secession the GOVERNOR may call a Special Legislative Secession to deal with emergency or other important issuers (which need to be specified by the governor). Both a Regular and a Special Legislative Secession will have a published agenda (times and places of meetings etc). When additional meetings of committees and of the different chambers are called – these are known as special committee meetings or special secessions. To legally call a special secession during a Regular Legislative Session one follows Rule 34. To call a special secession during a Special Legislative Secession one can follow Rule 93.

    Thank you xring. We will now enjoy another spaz out by MR

  136. JudasEscargot says:

    Just remember. According to MR – all Republicans are liars.

  137. mrenchirito says:

    The floor periods Judas posted are periods IN THE SPECIAL SESSION!!! LOL, this just keeps getting better and better!

    “The 2011-2012 legislative session began when the new legislature was sworn in on January 3, 2011. The schedule of floorperiods for the new session was established by Senate Joint Resolution 1. The January special session is ongoing. The regular session has adjourned pursuant to SJR-1; the next scheduled floorperiod begins on April 5.

    “January 2011 Special Session
    Governor Walker called the legislature into special session on January 4 to consider legislation on a variety of topics, including tax credits, tort law, medical savings accounts, other legislation relating to taxation, and the budget repair bill. ”

    http://legis.wisconsin.gov/spotlight/index.htm

  138. mrenchirito says:

    Hey Judas, let me repeat this for you because I know you have problems with reading comprehension..

    The January special session is ongoing. The regular session has adjourned pursuant to SJR-1; the next scheduled floorperiod begins on April 5.

    THE REGULAR SESSION ADOURNED AND THE GOVERNOR CALLED A SPECIAL SESSION STARTING ON JAN. 4.

    Now, can your simple mind grasp what is going on, or do I need to bring out muppets and cartoon characters for you?

  139. The Wisconsin Courts and the Citizens will decide when it is over.

    For now let’s look at why the WGOP would use such a questionable tactic.

    Could it be that they realized they were losing the media battle and were destroying their chances of reelection?

    And why, after splitting the bill did they jump on passing the budget busting provisions?

  140. mrenchirito says:

    Now that’s it’s been proven the legislature was in special session we can address those questions xring.

    It’s not a questionable tactic when you have 14 cowards holding up the entire process, that’s what was questionable (and possibly illegal).

  141. Mr – Wisconsin SJR-1 of Jan 2, 2011, “relates to the session schedule for the 2011-2012 biennial session period” and clearly shows the Legislature was, and is still in a Regular Secession”.

    Furthermore there is no record of the Legislature being adjourned or recalled to a special secession.

    You would not know true courage if it came it walked up and kicked you. I suggest you try reading “Profiles in Courage” by John Fitzgerald Kennedy

  142. LMAO-Judas and Xring-the only “secession” that happened was when 14 elected senators “seceded” from their state to hold the government hostage!

  143. JudasEscargot says:

    Will someone take MR outside and air her out?

    I’ve already cited from the Senate website which stipulates that they were in regular session.

    MR needs sleep.

  144. JudasEscargot says:

    TMell – nice letter. Up to your standards of half truths and no truths.

  145. mrenchirito says:

    I see xring and Judas don’t know what the word ADJOURNED means.

    The January special session is ongoing. The regular session has adjourned pursuant to SJR-1; the next scheduled floorperiod begins on April 5.

    CLEAR AS DAY. We have multiple news sources saying they are in special session, we have the senat chief clerk saying they are in special session, we have the Wisconsin legislature site I posted saying they are in special session.

    Either xring and Judas are two of the dumbest people alive, or they are the most stubborn people alive. There can be no other explaination for this idiocy.

  146. mrenchirito says:

    “On February 14, 2011, January Special Session Senate Bill 11 was introduced by the Joint Committee on Finance, at the request of Governor Scott Walker, to address the budget deficit for the current fiscal year. The Joint Committee on Finance held a public hearing on February 16 and voted for passage (as amended by Senate Amendment 1) 12-4 on February 17. Action on the bill was delayed due to the lack of the required quorum in the Senate. On February 17, 14 Democratic senators left the state, effectively preventing a vote from being taken.”

    http://legis.wisconsin.gov/spotlight/index.htm

    Gee, now why would a bill be called “special session senate bill” if they were in regular session? Come on Judas and xring, answer that one! This will be good, LOL!

  147. For now this whole things boils down to a red-blue He-Said, She-Said thing which will be decided by the Wisconsin courts and voters.

    Usually about now we state getting comments about stop digging holes, but in MR’s case I say ‘Keep digging, everything you post has supported the blue side. Keep up the good work.

    I dare say J_E and I understand ‘adjourned’ far better that you and the gullible right understates ‘Regular Session’

  148. mrenchirito says:

    Oh I’m not the one digging xring. Come on genius, answer my simple question. Why would a bill be named “special session senate bill” if they were in regular session?

    This isn’t he said she said, it is fact or fiction. The fact is they are in special session and you just can’t bring yourself to admit what’s clear to everyone else.

  149. Judas and xring, suggestion, you two liberals catch a flight to Wisconsin and represent the demokrats in court. With all of the hand-wringing and salivating you two are doing, you’d be great at defending those poor little abused and misled demokrats. Who knows, maybe comrade Trumpka will even find a job for you. LOL

  150. judas, what’s this obsession you have with polishing chairs all about? A little fantacising going on here judas? I’ve heard of “foot fetishes”, but chair fetish?

  151. Are you now, or have you ever been a member of a labor union?

  152. JudasEscargot says:

    “mrenchirito says:
    March 13, 2011 at 10:40 am
    “On February 14, 2011, January Special Session Senate Bill 11 was introduced by the Joint Committee on Finance, at the request of Governor Scott Walker, to address the budget deficit for the current fiscal year.”

    NUCLEAR OPTION cannot be exercised on budget items. Wisconsin State Law.

    Epic failure…..or is it ‘failer”?

    I thought someone was gonna air MR out?????

  153. JudasEscargot says:

    “frosty says:
    March 13, 2011 at 12:25 pm
    judas, what’s this obsession you have with polishing chairs all about?”

    our military hero doesn’t know what “polishing a chair” is?
    Maybe frosty was just a draft dodger.

  154. mrenchirito says:

    One more time Judas, Why would a bill be called “special session senate bill 11″ if they weren’t in special session?

    Are you or xring going to answer the question, or just dodging with your stupid comments?

    That’s what I thought.

  155. mrenchirito says:

    What was the name of that bill again? Oh yea January Special Session Senate Bill 11

    See I can use bold text too!

  156. MR – if you thought you would not be such a right wing tool.

  157. mrenchirito says:

    Just as I thought, xring or Judas can’t answer the question why the name of the bill is “January special session senate bill 11″ so they resort to personal attacks.

  158. JudasEscargot says:

    Call a cow pie a pumpkin pie…..it’s still a cow pie.

    If the “special session” was about budget, the Republicans could not exercise the nuclear option.

    Which part did they lie about? The “special session” or “budget”?

    If this was a “special session” to address the budget, they could not use the nuclear option, which they did.

    How many times does a Republican have to lie before their sheep with know that they were lied to?

  159. JudasEscargot says:

    “On February 14, 2011, January Special Session Senate Bill 11 was introduced by the Joint Committee on Finance”

    What is wrong with this statement?

    “On Wednesday, which is Good Friday, there will be a meeting of the Women’s Club for men only.”

    “Free admission, pay at the door”

  160. JudasEscargot says:

    MR will respond in 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1…….

  161. The Repos in the Wisconsin Legislature use special so often in so many different ways, I wonder if they all went to special schools.

  162. JudasEscargot says:

    xring – how does one announce a January “special session” in February?

  163. mrenchirito says:

    The January regular session WAS ADJOURNED and the special session STARTED IN JANUARY as I already proved over and over again.

    Hence the bill was introduced in January so that is why it is called January special session senate bill 11″

    LMAO this is worse than trying to explain something to a 5 year old!

    Oh and Judas,
    Why would a bill be called “special session senate bill 11″ if they weren’t in special session?

    Still no answer.

  164. mrenchirito says:

    I would try to explain why the Republicans were able to exercise the option they used for Senate bill 11 but why try when Judas still can’t comprehend the simple facts I have already presented?

    You see when the special session started in January all of the bill titles reference the fact that A) They are in special session and B) When that session started. Capiche?

  165. mrenchirito says:

    I have Judas so flustered he’s already posting about me on other websites, LOL!

  166. JudasEscargot says:

    mrenchirito says:
    March 14, 2011 at 4:51 am
    I have Judas so flustered he’s already posting about me on other websites, LOL!

    But claims to not be my stalker. LMAO

    Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’ for a sucker…..

  167. JudasEscargot says:

    “”mrenchirito says:
    March 13, 2011 at 10:40 am
    “On February 14, 2011, January Special Session Senate Bill 11 was introduced by the Joint Committee on Finance, at the request of Governor Scott Walker, to address the budget deficit for the current fiscal year.”

    mrenchirito says:
    March 14, 2011 at 4:45 am
    The January regular session WAS ADJOURNED and the special session STARTED IN JANUARY as I already proved over and over again.

    ?Now when did Walker become Governor of the State of Wisconsin?

    “Scott Kevin Walker (born November 2, 1967) is an American Republican politician, the 45th and current Governor of Wisconsin, having taken office January 3, 2011.”

    Took office January 3, and adjourned the “regular session of legislature” in January.

    You have to give him high marks for speed…….LOLOLOLOLOLOL Adjourned the regular legislature in less than 19 working days.

  168. JudasEscargot says:

    mrenchirito says:
    March 14, 2011 at 4:45 am

    A certain amount of sleep would help

  169. Wisconsin GOP uses special so often and is so many different ways one wonders if they went to a special school.

  170. J_E, beats me but am sure MR will provide the answer.

  171. mrenchirito says:

    Yes, as I stated earlier the special session was called in early January and the regular session was adjourned because they had major problems to deal with and had to focus like a laser beam on the issues Walker wanted addressed.

    Of course none of those issues were as difficult as trying to explain to you that indeed they are in special session.

    LMAO, now the King of all internet posts is after me for posting early in the morning. Hypocrite much?

  172. mrenchirito, you’re doing a great job of leading these two clowns down the path of self-destruction. They would still argue that the Titanic was sunk by conservatives rather than an ice berg. What a pair to draw to!! LOL

  173. judas, speaking of cow pies, you’re not supposed to step in them and then smell your shoes. While you were running around with hair down to your a$$, I was overseas protecting losers like you. What a waste.

  174. mrenchirito, I’ll revise my comment to the extent that you are not ‘leading them down the path to self-destruction”, that would imply that you are going with them, I’d just say that you are pointing the way and they are going there. You do good work!

  175. mrenchirito says:

    Why thank you frosty! You would think that they would have figured out they were wrong 120 comments ago! I guess we have to remember who we are dealing with. They’re a little slow!

  176. mrenchirito, ditto.

  177. JudasEscargot says:

    So, now we have a GOP Senator in Wisconsin that isn’t living in his district.

    It seems that, when a group of people decided to picket his home, his wife came out and advised them that Senator Randy Hopper doesn’t live with her, but lives with his 25 year old mistress in Madison, which is not in the district that he represents.

    To make matters worse, his mistress is a lobbyist for Right Wing interests.

    But remember. We are dealing with people of the highest of ethics who wouldn’t lie or manipulate public information to enhance their political position.

    It just gets curiouser and curiouser……..LOL

  178. JudasEscargot says:

    Oh…..Hopper’s wife and the maid both offered to sign the recall petition.

  179. JudasEscargot says:

    “mrenchirito says:
    March 14, 2011 at 6:10 am
    Yes, as I stated earlier the special session was called in early January”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    The man wasn’t Governor until January 3rd and the regular legislative session started at that time.

    Walker has mastered the art of making time move backwards.

  180. mrenchirito says:

    “early January”

    “The man wasn’t Governor until January 3rd”

    Early January would include Jan. 3rd and Jan. 4th when the regular session was adjourned and the special session called. DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

  181. Mrenchirito, we are gonna have to rename Job after you, or rename you Job. What amazing patience you have exhibited….

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