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EGYPT: Despite qualms, wishes for protesters’ success

Letter by Clara McArthur, Federal Way on Feb. 1, 2011 at 11:43 am with 19 Comments »
February 1, 2011 11:43 am

As I sit here dazzled by the brave conduct of the Egyptian people, and as I watch their Egyptian supporters here in America demonstrating for them, one thought keeps intruding. I recall that above the roaring of our anguish as we grappled with the horrors of our 9/11 terror, they were silent.

So having gone through life opening my mouth only to shift my feet, here goes. I don’t particularly appreciate being lectured by an Egyptian woman at the Seattle rally who left her “homeland” to live in and off of a primarily infidel nation, on what we should think and feel.

If I’m not mistaken, an infidel is anyone who isn’t of the Muslim faith. The Islamists have a Fatwa (like a religious edict) to annihilate all infidels. Don’t take my word for it. Check it out yourself.

I guess because my sympathies are also with the Israeli people watching the news with dread, knowing there are those of the Muslim faith who desire for the total annihilation of Israel and because of Mubarak’s treaty with Israel, it does give one pause for thought, doesn’t it?

Still, it is in the very nature of us Americans to wish for Egyptians’ success in their desire for freedom and justice. And, certainly, with all my heart, I do.

Leave a comment Comments → 19
  1. So….to sum up…..Clara admires the Egyptians’ willingness to fight for democracy in spite of her pro-Israel based Islamophobia.

  2. Just curious, what does Clara say to give you the impression she has an irrational or very powerful fear and dislike of some of the muslim faith?

    She was stating the obvious.

  3. Many are ambivalent about this situation Clara. If the Muslim Botherhood is driving the revolution, and many assume it is, the folks there are in for a rude awakening re a “hard life.” But Mubarak sounds like a horrible dictator and one hopes those fighting for freedom prevail.

    I’m curious why no one is crediting George Bush here. Don’t you all remember that he prophesied that if others in the MIddle East get a taste of democracy they will all want it; it will spread?

    Is it possible, or would the Bush haters dare to admit, that what Bush said may be coming to fruition in Egypt?

  4. “I’m curious why no one is crediting George Bush here”

    Uh, well, because Tunisia was the spark, not Iraq.

    Why would anyone credit Bush for something he had absolutely NOTHING to do with?

  5. larsman says:

    Thank you Clara,
    I think that the misnomer ” islamapbobia” apparently used by those who do nothing to define that now-inane term , is by now a very healthy and wise description for those of us who actually have studied the source documentation of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, Sunni fivers and Shiite twelvers, the beliefs of Abu Sayaff and of course Al Queda.
    The term “pyro-phobia” is similarly an intelligent moniker for those who know full well to which an untended fire leads…
    Zech 12 : 1-3

  6. beerBoy says:

    If the Muslim Botherhood is driving the revolution, and many assume it is

    Name a few of those straw men.

  7. beerBoy says:

    I have seen no credible report saying that the Muslim Brotherhood is driving this. In fact, quite the opposite, the reports are that the Muslim Brotherhood is sitting it out.

    Larsman – you are consistent in your fears.

  8. If I’m mistaken about the Muslim Brotherhood, I don’t mind admitting it. I don’t honestly know. Let me do a little bit of homework on that one.

    I wasn’t talking about the “spark” Gwil, but the slow-burning embers waiting to be ignited.

  9. From Robert Dreyfuss, who also writes that Islamists are in support of the revolt:

    “ElBaradei is widely accepted and respected in the West, which is why he was acknowledged as the leader of the anti-Mubarak opposition by nearly everyone involved in the movement, from the April 6 organizers to the Muslim Brotherhood.”

    I think it’s pretty naive to think the MB is “sitting it out.” But I do my withdraw my comment that they are the driving force behind it.

  10. “I’m curious why no one is crediting George Bush here. Don’t you all remember that he prophesied that if others in the MIddle East get a taste of democracy they will all want it; it will spread?”

    Be patient, your comment was only the third, and Ron will be along to give George the credit all too soon.

    Did George’s prophecy include that living conditions and quality of life in Iraq would become a tragedy? That 1.3 million Iraqis would remain displaced in 2010, with hundreds of thousands them preferring to live in Syria, Lebanon and other neighboring countries rather than return to Iraq? That Iraq would have a crumbled infrastructure, with intermintent electrical service, little potable water, and sewage flowing in the streets, or that their health care would deteriorate as it has? That they’d have a lack of schools and more illiterate youth than ever in recent history? Or that they’d lack jobs and economic opportunity? Lack security? Or that Christians would be fleeing the country because they and their churches are being attacked?

    Ah, a taste of democracy for Egyptians and others in the Middle East to envy! Do you suppose they’re praying for America’s interference?

  11. harleyrider1 says:

    Nicely said Clara. Many Americans watch people move here that want their “own” country here, instead of where it is so they can enjoy our way of life. You see it by their flying of their flags inside our Country – instead of the one protecting them.

    I too find it ironic to hear them shout and march as if it is an American’s fault that this is happening. They should channel that energy and anger into being more productive here and giving back to the Country that is providing them safe haven.

    Foreigners will only do what is required of them. They want to live off of us, not with us. They want to bring more and more of their family and friends here without they, themselves, earning the money first to support them. They want to march and yell in our streets making demands like they do at home. I wonder if they contributed as much at home as they do here?

  12. Roncella says:

    Cirrus, Yes your right Iraq without Sudan and his sons and his generals is just not the same. After all the mass graves filled with dead bodies that our troops came across you would think everything was going just great, before the U.S. invaded Iraq.

    Yes all the women had it made as they were beaten and raped and mistreated and disrespected by so many, they had no access to education or jobs or a future for themselves or their children.

    Yes Cirrus, that nasty President Bush made the Country a very terrible place to live.

    Its not because extreme Muslim terrorists still blow up markets and place road side bombs to kill our troops and their own citizens, of couse not, why its all bad in Iraq because of, President Bushes invasions of Iraq. Oh Yea, Think Man Think. .

  13. No comment B?

  14. ij – I did comment but it got excised because it repeated your slur against me (which also got censored).

    But yes, she has made it obvious: Clara admires the Egyptians’ willingness to fight for democracy in spite of her pro-Israel based Islamophobia.

  15. whatIdo says:

    Weird. I don’t recall slurring you. Sounds like you’re “playing victim”… as usual violating one of your own “unwritten rules of internet rhetoric”.

    beerBoy says:
    June 25, 2010 at 7:28 am
    “frosty – take some personal responsibility for your posts. When I have had posts erased due to perceptions of inappropriate content I accept it – you should too.
    Why is it that right rimmers who claim that “libs” always claim victimhood are oftentimes the first to claim that they are being victimized by some sort of vast left-wing conspiracy?”

    … pretty kooky…

    Anyway, I asked what Clara wrote that led you to believe she had an irrational or very powerful fear and dislike of some of the muslim faith? (frankly I think you’re being intentionaly obtuse)
    Based on your own standard, it would be an understatement to allege that you, Chris Matthews, etc. are TPaphobes. It’s quite the stark contrast.

    Did you hear how Matthews compared the TParty and the muslim brotherhood? Talk about having an irrational or very powerful fear and dislike of a group or person… sheez…

  16. beerBoy says:

    If Chris Matthews overgeneralized the actions/words of the TP to all conservatives then I would consider that Conservaphobic.

  17. What – Agree, and referring to another someone’s post –
    “Larsman – you are consistent in your fears.” I give you the obtuse “reasoning” of ” Israel-o-phobia”
    Tell all of us, Where it is in the Israeli Constitution that states or infers the annihilation of any country, race or “group” of people?
    Beer boy??
    The entire content of the Charter of Hamas, for example, is available online and if you, Beerboy, choose not to acknowledge that stated purpose or perhaps allagorize it away, then, Beerboy, you are the fearfully irrational example of selective study-fail.
    BTW, Beerboy…The 1903 Russian “Protocols of the elders of Zion” was systematically exposed, debunked and discarded by the New York Times among other publications in 1921-1922 about the time that the Ottoman Empire officially hit the dust bin……where ya been..it’s been in all the papers.

  18. beerBoy says:

    btw larsman – that last paragraph was an excellent example of straw man through implication. If, at any time I had ever quoted the fiction known as the Protocols, then your suggestion that I was using it as a source would be appropriate. But i haven’t and what you have done by linking me to a notorious antisemitic text is to suggest by strawman argument that I am therefore antisemitic.
    BTW – the Arabs in the region have good reason to be afraid of the IDF, Mossad and Israel’s government as they have demonstrated that they are willing, ready and able to do anything to continue their campaign towards a greater Israel.

    Remember this – Hamas was made possible by Israel. They supported Hamas because they felt that they would compete with the PLO. And Hezbollah was created in reaction to Israel’s 22 year occupation of Lebanon.

  19. Bb misinterprets – “to continue their campaign towards a greater Israel.”

    The term “Palestinian”, contrary to the indoctrinations of Fatah, the PA and most other official or unofficial Moslem entities within the 10 / 40 degree latitude of Mohammedanism, do not even have Israel on their maps!
    And for your further information, everything from “sports” teams (Dalal) to crossword puzzles (Tel Aviv included in greater Gaza) to basic “educational” material utilizes the Muslim concept of “Ribat” along with the Orwellian attachment of “double speak” via English for one meaning to the outsiders and Arabic for a different detailed “coded” meaning for Islamists.
    Palestinians, so called, are geographic residents and not a race nor religion and were not so labeled until after the Bar Kochva rebellion of 135 A.D.

    Why am I not surprised at your chosen historical disconnect?

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