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SHOOTING: Hate talk is anti-patriotic

Letter by Kammie Bunes, Olympia on Jan. 14, 2011 at 11:50 am with 83 Comments »
January 14, 2011 2:06 pm

Re: “Delusions – not politics- drove Arizona gunman” (Charles Krauthammer column and cartoon, 1-13).

While i agree the shooting is not an indictment of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords’ record, it is an indictment of Arizona’s same-day gun permit. I am all for the right to bear arms, but think it’s ridiculous that one can get a semiautomatic weapon without a reasonable background check and waiting period.

Yes, the perpetrator is a nut job. So is Sarah Palin if she thinks those of us familiar with guns believe the cross-hairs on her website were surveyor’s marks.

Palin and Glenn Beck’s hate talk may not be responsible for the shooter’s actions, but they do encourage such action and that is reason enough to reject their kind. They are utterly contrary to what it means to be patriotic.

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  1. Wow this again…

    Per the Washington Post the gun was bought in November… so much for the waiting period.

    Loughner had a “clean” record, he did not have any of the 13 items that would have precluded him buying the gun. (2 1/2 months ago by the way)

    Are you or anyone really that gullible that you can view something and be affected by it? (subliminal message here – go slap your spouse – end of subliminal message)

    Palin and Beck… those two again… She is a loser in a political race, a quitter for a Governor. He is an alchoholic. Tell me Kammie, how on earth do these two people have the power over you to write a letter to the editor. To believe that they have the power over a shooter who it is now known didn’t watch much TV nor is their any trace of these two in any paper or online trail.

    PS – did you slap your spouse… no… good… now you know you can resist the force and choose to ignore words contrary to your values.

  2. APimpNamedSlickback says:

    I’m curious, Kammie, what exactly is so different about Arizona’s firearms purchasing laws than those in Washington? You can purchase a gun and take it home the same day in WA too, if you have a concealed pistol license. All the vendor needs to do is make a 30 second call to the FBI. As for getting a CPL, I applied for mine one day, and three days later it arrived in the mail, with an “Issued On” date the same as the day I applied.

    You see, both AZ and WA are “shall issue” states. That means that if your paperwork is in order, your check doesn’t bounce, and the instant background check comes back clean, the state is legally obligated to issue you the license.

    Now, AZ doesn’t require a CPL (they call it a CCP) to carry concealed like WA does, but then, both states allow open carry as well. The thinking in AZ is that if anyone can open carry, why not let them carry concealed? After all, the people we wouldn’t issue a permit to will carry concealed whether or not it is legal, so why put any extra burdens on the law-abiding? Where AZ differs from WA is in the actual qualification for such a permit and the permit holder’s interaction with law enforcement.

    Even though an AZ CCP isn’t required to carry concealed, getting one makes the process of purchasing a weapon go quicker. Unlike WA’s CPL, AZ’s CCP requires the applicant to take classes and pass a range test as part of the necessary paperwork. Likewise, a person carrying concealed in AZ must surrender their weapon to a peace officer for the duration of any interaction with them. Not doing so is a gross misdemeanor. A WA CPL-holder doesn’t even have to inform a peace officer that they’re carrying, even if that officer suspects them of crime. In those ways, AZ actually has much more stringent gun laws than the relatively liberal and anti-gun WA.

  3. You say “they do encourage such action.” Do they? That seems like such a shallow remark IMO.

    Those who are persuaded to act based on political opinions expressed by anyone, right left or anwhere else on the spectrum, are people with bigger problems than can be addressed here.

    If someone you respect told you to go “take out” a political opponent, would you? And why would you respect them in the first place.

    Men like John Hinkley, Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan and this guy in Tuscon are loose canons. A flashing light could be the trigger to set them off.
    Can we just put an end to this discussion?

  4. redneckbuck says:

    Funny the left did not have a problem with “Hate” talk during the Bush years. I ocassionally listen to Bech in my classroom before School and have never heard hate speach from him, other than hating socialism. On the other had I listen to Progressive radio on my drive home and hear nothing but hate and lies all the way home.

  5. bobcat1a says:

    Let’s see now, Red; he hates socialism but he never mentions any names associated with that socialism? Really?

  6. Red- the fact that you’ve never hear Beck spew hate speech, but hear nothing but hate speech on Progressive radio, just goes to show how radically right wing you are.

    Ps: ‘left did not have a problem with hate talk during the Bush years” Are you familiar with the concept of ‘threshold values”?

  7. FreeAmerica says:

    I can’t believe the libs would continue this dogfight??

    It lacks common sense to blame political rhetoric hate speech as a motivating factor in this or any crime.
    We could blame the weather, or video games, or television.

    Blaming the right wing commentators is a petty political ploy to dismiss one the liberals don’t agree with…Petty I say.

    You liberals are taking a bit hit in the general publics view … just keep it going so the public can judge you for what you are…

  8. red – do you ever require your student write? Do they have to spell?

  9. blakeshouse says:

    QAWD…. the BS is somewhat tones down but the message is the same……Sarah and Glenn caused this by hateful speech. This is so much garbage. The socialist/ neo marxists can see the writing on the wall. Their agenda has and is being totally rejected by people and these idiots will say or do anything to try and hang on to their perverted course for the country.

  10. It lacks common sense to blame political rhetoric hate speech as a motivating factor in this or any crime.

    So….Mein Kampf didn’t have an impact?

  11. And the laws against Holocaust-revisionist speech in Europe serve no purpose….?

  12. Roncella says:

    Kammie, You have missed the point entirely. There are some folks who will do evil things to other folks in society. These folks are either insane or wacked out on drugs.

    Stop blaming Sarah Palin or Keith Olbermann or Beck or Limbaugh or Mr. Ed.

    They all have the same freedom to speak their mind, Its called Freedom Of Speech.

    From time to time mentally ill people will do horrible acts to others, no laws or restrictions on purchasing fire arms with ever change this.

    All you will do is make it even harder for innocent folks wanting to purchase a rifle or pistol or what ever to get one.

  13. Sarah Palin or Keith Olbermann or Beck or Limbaugh or Mr. Ed.

    Why do you insist upon insulting an icon of TV by putting the horse in the same list as those horse’s as-ses?

  14. “So….Mein Kampf didn’t have an impact?”

    nope… not to Jared Laughner… if you listen to his ramblings he was unable to string multiple ideologies together to have a solid basis for his actions.

    And the laws against Holocaust-revisionist speech in Europe serve no purpose….?

    They do… in Europe. They have no Constituitonal right to free speech as we do here in the good olde US of A. (Standing at attention and saluting right now… yee haa!!!)

  15. So you would ban Mein Kempf, bBoy?

    Words, movies, etc. certainly affect people. Look at the lunacy that followed the inconvenient half truths captured in the Al Gore movie?

    I’m sure many people were affected by the revlsionist history of Oliver Stone and Michael Moore…but…they were free to make those movies and market them.

    Chances are though, those who bought into them were already dyed-in-the-wool regarding their politics, and those of us who find their messages junk just added them to the list of propaganda pieces to avoid.

  16. I’m feeling as though I didn’t say that very well. I’m trying to say that these things tend to reinforce existing ideologies but don’t have much overt effect otherwise, and of course based on the numbers of people who DO NOT SPRAY CROWDS WITH LEAD, I would say it’s ludicrous to keep trying to make that link between words and Lougner’s actions.

  17. Kammie, obviously you have very selective hearing.

  18. de·fence (d-fns)
    n. & v. Chiefly British
    Variant of defense.

  19. This reminds me of the debate over the influence that Rev. Wright’s words had over President Obama. Then, it was a different story, altogether.

  20. ….and Roncella constantly reminds us that the left is brainwashed by the liberal media.

  21. But, now we clearly see that words have no effect on any of us.

  22. Polago – Creaking open this door… the initial targets was Beck & Palin and their supposed influence on the Loughner, when at the time, there was no evidence who he was influence by. We all had no clue what his politics were last Saturday/Sunday. (A case can be made that we still don’t)

    So much feces was initially thrown at Beck and Palin, then to an increasing number of conservatives, to see what would stick… correct me if I am wrong, we still don’t know what his politics are. All we know is what those that were closer to him say (grain of salt in my humble opinion). The rest, pundit, talking head BS.

    If you want to continue to open the door, a legitimate question is what effect did Zeitgeist (and some of the other items from his MySpace page) have on him?

    Obama – You can research who he studied under, read, listen to, etc… and SPECULATE what his thinking MAY be. But you would have little evidence until he took some action. Jeremiah Wright – what did he preach? Obama – ??? All you can do is speculate how that affected him (and we know what that can lead to).

    On an Obama side note – great attention was made to him reading a book about Reagan. What does that mean? Heck if I know.

    Now I am respectfully backing out and closing this door.

  23. Meant to also say, yes it was a totally different issue.

    Obama has not shot anybody, Zeitgeist is not on his Netflix queue, though some may not agree with him, his thoughts are coherent, he is using his executive power as opposed to grammer to bring about fundamental change, has not made a video about Harvard talking about genocide and dumb students, and it appears Obama is welcomed back there without a letter from the Department of Health, and he doesn’t seem the type to wear red g-string underwear.

    Closing this door again and locking it.

  24. Funny, the Wright mentor/minister (Obama’s words) issue. It was a differnt story altoghether.

    I’m glad you brought that up. It perfectly illustrates the left’s and many of the media’s selective outrage. I mean, heck, Obama called him his “mentor/minister”, then claimed he never heard any of those hateful, violence inciting “sermons” in 20 years.
    The media almost totally gave him cover for it, and the same media are willing to broad brush whole groups of people as hateful and responsible for the muderous actions of a psycho.

  25. So you agree with the letter writer, “Palin and Glenn Beck’s hate talk may not be responsible for the shooter’s actions, but they do encourage such action and that is reason enough to reject their kind. They are utterly contrary to what it means to be patriotic.”

  26. I was less concerned about Wright’s influence over Obama and more concerned about what their alliance in general signified…kindred spirits and all that.

    And honestly, I was even more concerned when it was suggested that Obama didn’t “attend” to what his pastor was preaching which led to the question then, “What was he doing there every Sunday?” And why did he paint Rev. Wright in avuncular hues?

  27. “Palin and Glenn Beck’s hate talk may not be responsible for the shooter’s actions,…” No, Palin and Beck are not responsible for the shooters action. No causational relationship has not been made. Now, if the skull was a likeness of Beck then we have causation, sicko type…

    “…but they do encourage such action and that is reason enough to reject their kind.” Nope, they do not encourage violent action.

    “They are utterly contrary to what it means to be patriotic.” Typical Palin / Beck “hater” comments. Nothing to agree or disagree. Writers opinion, they own it.

  28. rr – the waiting period makes sense IF that period is utilized for more than cursory background checks.

  29. Not at all Polago… just showing hypocritical some on the left (including a major slice of media) are when it comes to their outrage and applying blame.

  30. JudasEscargot says:

    redneckbuck says:
    January 14, 2011 at 7:40 pm
    Funny the left did not have a problem with “Hate” talk during the Bush years. I ocassionally listen to Bech in my classroom before School and have never heard hate speach from him, other than hating socialism. On the other had I listen to Progressive radio on my drive home and hear nothing but hate and lies all the way home.

    BECK: Hang on, let me just tell you what I’m thinking. I’m thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I’m wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out — is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus — band — Do, and I’ve lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, “Yeah, I’d kill Michael Moore,” and then I’d see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I’d realize, “Oh, you wouldn’t kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn’t choke him to death.” And you know, well, I’m not sure.

    I guess it all depends on what you call “hate speech”.

  31. JudasEscargot says:

    Then there is:

    http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/bill-press-keith-olbermann-continue-hate-speech-against-sarah-palin

    Oh, but wait. There isn’t one verbatim quote of Olberman in the entire story. Just a writer’s opinion that Olberman said something that was hate speech.

  32. JudasEscargot says:

    Someone just dropped a Baby Ruth in the swimming pool.

  33. Roncella says:

    Polago, Where was all the concern when it was learned that President Obama attended church with a racist, white hating, Jew hating, America hating, minister for more than twenty years. Talk about hate speech The Rev Wright is an expert at delivering it, in his sermons, books, recordings.

  34. ItalianSpring says:

    Palin is HOT!

  35. JudasEscargot says:

    A lot of people would say Paris Hilton is “hot”.

    Both have matching IQs

  36. JudasEscargot says:

    Roncella:

    If you had listened to one sermon that Wright has delivered, I’d give you credit for knowing what you are talking about. The problem is that you know nothing other than three words here and there and what FOX tells you to know.

  37. JudasEscargot says:

    “We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye.”

    Not a word of hate. Just pure fact.

  38. JudasEscargot says:

    “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.”

    Another truth. Inconvenient, but true

  39. “Toward the end of the town hall meeting Saturday morning, one of the shooting victims, J. Eric Fuller, took exception to comments by two of the speakers: Ariz. state Rep. Terri Proud, a Dist. 26 Republican, and Tucson Tea Party spokesman Trent Humphries.

    According to sheriff’s deputies at the scene, Fuller took a photo of Humphries and said, “You’re Dead.”

    Deputies immediately escorted Fuller from the room.’

    So Judas, if this guy follows through with his death threat, who do we focus our vitriol on? His target appears to be a two-fer – Republican and Tea Party. Shall we continue the hate and join him? Hey, let’s double-down… in his own words…

    “She (Giffords) is open and receptive to taking to the public. Even those who disagree with her,” Fuller said. “I’m disgusted with Republicans for helping boost a hysterical climate. An unhinged lunatic absorbed these ideas from somewhere.”

    Bloods vs crypts, hadfield vs mccoy, hell insert anybody here… If this dufus pulls the trigger then may he rot in jail or a mental asylum. Though this “unhinged lunatic” got his ideas from somewhere, it will be his responsiblity and his alone.

  40. JudasEscargot says:

    I was wondering how long it would take the Right Wing to grab on to that story and work it into the denial.

    We need to make sure that no one reads this part of the story:

    Fuller’s actions could be a response to the trauma he suffered a week ago, said Dr. Laura Nelson, deputy director for the behavioral health sciences division at the Arizona Department of Health.

    “Grief after what happened here in Tucson last week is a completely normal reaction, and … anger is a very common symptom of grief,” said Nelson, who had been invited to speak at the forum. “I hope that he’ll get the help that he needs to get through this very difficult time.”

    Fuller, who works as a signature collector for political initiatives, was about 10 to 15 feet away from Giffords, talking to her volunteers, when the shots erupted on Jan. 8. He said earlier this week he was hit by a bullet when he dove to the ground to play dead. He decided that because he didn’t have any medical training to help others, he walked to his car and drove himself to the nearest hospital.

  41. Roncella says:

    Judas, without debating the second world war here with you, Those bombs dropped on Japan saved thousands and thousands of Americas Military troops lifes fighting in the second world war.

    They also gave food for thought to the Russians, and the Germans, they had better be very careful when dealing with America.

    Japan, pushed the button at pearl harbor, and their chickens came home to roost, in a Big Way.

  42. No denial… if Mr. fuller follows through on his actions, it will be his responsibility and his alone, even if the Doctor thinks poor olde Mr. Fuller has a knee owie’

    I’d be pissed too at the little bald-headed twept for shooting me. But I’d wanna kick his backside not the Dems/GOP nor anybody else.

    Fuller focuses his anger at a third party… not the person who actually shot him.

    Excuses – the trauma made me do it… poor Mr. Fuller. Poor you if you fall for it.

  43. JudasEscargot says:

    “even if the Doctor thinks poor olde Mr. Fuller has a knee owie’

    There is the Right Wing’s compassion for a man that was involved in a shooting where people died and there were critical injuries.

  44. JudasEscargot says:

    “Roncella says:
    January 16, 2011 at 12:25 pm
    Judas, without debating the second world war here with you, Those bombs dropped on Japan saved thousands and thousands of Americas Military troops lifes fighting in the second world war.

    They also gave food for thought to the Russians, and the Germans, they had better be very careful when dealing with America.”

    WELL….it certainly didn’t stop 20 terrorists on 9/11/01…but I digress.

    The subject was alleged hate speech by Wright and neither of those quotes were anything but truth.

  45. Roncella says:

    Judas, Add up how many terrorists have been killed including the ones killed in Iraq and Afg. since 9-11.

    You can’t compare the 2nd World War fighting with what Muslim terrorist are doing today.

    America has and will adjust to fighting them, however sneaky they become, with each attempt at murdering Americans anywhere in the World.

  46. JudasEscargot says:

    If the use of nuclear weapons save lives, all wars should begin and end with the use of nukes.

    Do we want to be on the receiving end when China employs this theory?

  47. JudasEscargot says:

    Roncella…..you have conveniently avoided the allegation of hate speech.

  48. “There is the Right Wing’s compassion for a man that was involved in a shooting where people died and there were critical injuries.”

    you wanna be the victim then be the victim… tell people how you feel, how someone’s else action affected you, how you plan on being stronger for it and grateful to be alive… whatever.

    But when you threaten to kill another human being… when you threaten an entire group nor even connected to the issue… you cease to be a victim… you become an aggressor…

    Live by the sword…

    You got anything related to Fuller’s targeting of the right….? Anything… if not, have a nice day, the stench of this dead horse…

  49. Roncella says:

    Judas, Could You describle hate speech, so everyone will know just what this speech is and in that way we can all be on the look out for it in the future.

  50. Oh please…..my post “eeewww!” in response to the Baby Ruth in the swimming pool post gets removed but the original scatalogical post remains unscathed. The weekend Nanny really doesn’t seem to have any tolerance for me.

  51. I apologize in advance B.

    beerBoy says:
    June 25, 2010 at 7:28 am
    frosty – take some personal responsibility for your posts. When I have had posts erased due to perceptions of inappropriate content I accept it – you should too

    ;)

  52. Do you ever give me a free pass on anything?

  53. JudasEscargot says:

    “Roncella says:
    January 16, 2011 at 1:11 pm
    Judas, Could You describle hate speech, so everyone will know just what this speech is and in that way we can all be on the look out for it in the future.”

    You were the one accusing someone of hate speech. Now you’re admitting you don’t know what you were talking about?????

  54. JudasEscargot says:

    rr – Hopefully, you’ll never be wounded as this man was, so that we don’t have to witness your perfect responses.

  55. Judas – So that their is a written record of it.

    If I am ever injured by a guy that is wearing a “Keith Olberman, Ed Shultz, Rachel Maddow, or Chris Matthews et al. is My Hero” t-shirt while yelling “I feel this thrill going up my leg”

    I hearby certify that I will only wanna kick the aggressors butt and will not hold the others responsible in any way.

    Signed – Me

  56. rr – so……if you are ever injured by a guy wearing swag from Beck, Limbaugh, Savage, Coulter, O’Reilly, Palin……you will turn the other cheek?

  57. “rr – so……if you are ever injured by a guy wearing swag from Beck, Limbaugh, Savage, Coulter, O’Reilly, Palin……you will turn the other cheek?“

    Sir, if a guy wearing the “swag” as defined above “injures” me, the same desires apply… I’d feel like I wanna kick his butt… twice. Once for injuring me… a second time for using the tee-shirts to attempt to smear my heros ;)

    Truly bipartisan, don’t ya think.

  58. Roncella says:

    Judas, Have a second cup of coffee already.

    I never accused anyone of Hate Speech as you claim.

    I did say that dubnik should have reported the facts at his press conference, and just the facts, not add his personal bias and opinions when reporting on the events about the mentally sick shooter.

    Having been a sheriff for soooooo many years, you would think he knew better by now, but he let his liberal democratic beliefs take over his better judgement.

  59. Roncella says:
    January 17, 2011 at 9:07 am

    “I never accused anyone of Hate Speech as you claim.”
    ————
    Roncella says:
    January 16, 2011 at 10:44 am

    “Polago, Where was all the concern when it was learned that President Obama attended church with a racist, white hating, Jew hating, America hating, minister for more than twenty years. Talk about hate speech The Rev Wright is an expert at delivering it, in his sermons, books, recordings.”

  60. Roncella says:

    Polago, How would you describe the sermons that the Rev. Wright has given for so many years ?

    Would you have sat in his church for twenty years with your family and listened to his sermons ?

    Yes I thought his was very good example of Hate Speech, if ever there was an example needed.

  61. That’s not the point, Roncella.

    The point is that you made the false claim, “I never accused anyone of Hate Speech as you claim.”

  62. BlaineCGarver says:

    You all are getting away from the theme that the OP was a POS post. Another perfect example of one person thinking the First Amendment shines from their lower orifice.

  63. redneckbuck says:

    Could someone please post the definition of hate speech.

  64. from wikipedia:

    In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group. The law may identify a protected individual or a protected group by race, gender, ethnicity, nationality, religion, sexual orientation, or other characteristic.

  65. Hey Ron, in case you missed it, the Rev. Wrights’ sermons taken in context, and I mean the context of being Black in addition to the regular considerations, were true depictions of what Blacks have been up against for too long. The fact that you take exception to something this simple tells us you have no clue.

  66. Here you go red: http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Hate_speech
    You are welcome.

  67. JudasEscargot says:

    redneckbuck says:
    January 14, 2011 at 7:40 pm
    Funny the left did not have a problem with “Hate” talk during the Bush years. I ocassionally listen to Bech in my classroom before School and have never heard hate speach from him, other than hating socialism. On the other had I listen to Progressive radio on my drive home and hear nothing but hate and lies all the way home.

    redneckbuck says:
    January 17, 2011 at 3:18 pm
    Could someone please post the definition of hate speech.

    We certainly have a couple of people that like to throw around the phrase “hate speech” and then play dumb (or maybe they are not playing…)

    Try this as an example of hate speech:

    GLENN BECK: Hang on, let me just tell you what I’m thinking. I’m thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I’m wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out — is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus — band — Do, and I’ve lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, “Yeah, I’d kill Michael Moore,” and then I’d see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I’d realize, “Oh, you wouldn’t kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn’t choke him to death.” And you know, well, I’m not sure.

    Now, I posted this earlier for redneck, but he somehow missed it.

  68. JudasEscargot says:

    Publico:

    Roncella has never read Reverend Wright’s sermons, but he knows that it’s hate speech, even though he had to ask what hate speech was and then deny he accused anyone of hate speech.

    The problem is obvious.

  69. Some people feel that hate speech is any verbiage that challenges white, hetero, male privilege….

  70. ……which is why Martin Luther King, Jr.’s words and actions have been recontexturalized to be aimed against those who work for minority rights in the “post-racist” fantasy where the only racists left are of color.

  71. Hate speech is anytime a liberal opens his/her mouth. Liberals by nature are hateful, deranged people. See if MSNBC can go for ten minutes without bringing up Palin’s name.

  72. “Liberals by nature are hateful, deranged people.”

    Needing an example of hate speech, we can always count on Frosty to provide a perfect example for us.

  73. Polago, don’t let the truth get in the way of fantasy. You’ve got to admit that MSNBC has the most hateful bunch of cretons in the world today. O’Donnel, Matthews, Olbermann, Schultz just to name a few.

  74. They don’t hold a candle to you, frosty.

  75. So what we know so far is “hate speech” has a varying definition and standard of application.

    With the examples listed on other posts we learn that the litmus for hate coming from the right is thin and hate coming from the left is regulary dismissed.

    “Context” matters when a lefty is attempting to refute an accusation of “hate” (January 17, 2011 at 5:33 pm) yet, when another lefty is attempting to illustrate “hate” from the right (January 17, 2011 at 5:47 pm), “context” has no value.

    p.s. It’s interesting that someone would excuse hateful, violence inciting speech because of someone’s color… especially considering it was posted the day we honor Dr. Martin Luther King and his dream of a society where we are not judged by the color of our skin. Wright is the opposite of Dr. King.

  76. Hate Speech is like Pornography – I may not be able to define it, but I know it when I see or hear it.

    A definition obviously beyond the pale of certain people on this blog.

  77. WhatIdo brings context back to the thread yet agin.

  78. You can’t define porn… interesting.

    Now we have a better understanding of your thought process.

    So if xring were to post a graphic picture of people having sex he wouldn’t know it was porn, but if I post a picture of a scantily clad women, he would call it porn.

  79. Ah yes….the Santa Clausification of MLK, jr. who, when he was alive was considered the most dangerous man in America. to turn him into an old man with a bag full of dreams.

  80. beerboy! don’t you realize you just committed blasphemy by questioning the life of the esteemed Doctor? Shame on you!

  81. Hey frosty, he just adopted the LWN talking point/phrase (“the Santa Clausification of MLK Jr.) from one of his favorite sites.

    google it and see how many LWN sites are using it.

    Kooky.

  82. Roncella says:

    Publico, Yes poor Rev. Wright, he is just being mis-understood. He just recently moved into his mansion in the suburbs of Chicago, worth millions.

    His hate speech and mean and nasty sermons have made him a very rich Man. Maybe he could reach out and help some of his flock move up to bigger and better goals and be as successful as he has become.

    I doubt The Rev Wright, or The Rev Sharpton, or the Rev. Jackson would choose to ever leave this Country to live some where else. They all are very wealthy and could not have achieved the standard of living they enjoy here anywhere else in the World.

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