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SHOOTING: Killer had his own agenda

Letter by Dan McDonald, Tacoma on Jan. 12, 2011 at 11:22 am with 55 Comments »
January 12, 2011 12:49 pm

The News Tribune’s Hot Button question – “Do you think vitriolic political rhetoric is to blame for the shootings in Arizona?” – is an obvious effort to paint Sarah Palin or other members of the right as providing the “rhetoric” which motivated the Arizona shooter to kill innocent people and severely injure a member of Congress.

As to this issue, my answer, “Not at all,” holds with the majority opinion at 49 percent.

The left is playing its usual games, right out of the Alinsky playbook: “Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It.” For years they tried to paint the John Kennedy assassination as a vast right-wing conspiracy. However, it was eventually revealed that Lee Harvey Oswald was, in the words of JFK’s widow, “just a silly little communist.”

I have no doubt that if the Arizona shooter had been found to have dog-eared copies of books by Palin, Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck it would be all over the front pages of every lib paper in America. However, when we view his Facebook page we find references to “The Communist Manifesto” and “Mein Kampf.”

Sociopathic extremists are found on both sides of the political spectrum. The Arizona shooter was neither a far-left loonie nor a right-wing nut. He was just a nut. May his soul, and those of his victims and their families, find peace.

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  1. That opinion pole shows that most people, 54% of those who responded, feel that vitriolic political rhetoric is at least partially to blame for the shootings in Arizona.

    Wouldn’t this be the majority opinion, Dan?

  2. “Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It.”

    Yes sir-eee-bob! Straight out of the Right Wing Play Book.

  3. FreeAmerica says:

    I blame video games… Should we make them illegal Polago?

  4. Roncella says:

    Dan, you claim the shooter was not a left wing loonie or a right wing nut. Both you and sheriff Dubnik, seem to like to put your own political spin on what might have made the insane shooter shoot twenty people killing six.

    How about waiting for a thorough investagation, before making statements that you have no proof to back up your claims for.

  5. Another one of your outrageously inaccurate allegations, FreeAmerica?

  6. I’ll ask our liberal contributors, do you think legalizing pot would have prevented this tragedy?

  7. If Rep. Giffords had been a Republican, it is likely she still would have been shot. There is no evidence the shooter had any political affiliation. On the contrary, he appears to have had a problem with “the government,.” Giffords was just a convenient target. Psychosis is no respecter of party.

  8. Well said Dan. I’m confident this disingenous effort by some of the leftist elites and pundits to smear their enemies will back fire.

  9. That hot button question mentions no specific political party. Why is it that you conclude that the TNT is singling out the right, Dan?

  10. So, xring, Alinsky is right wing now?

  11. whatido – can you spot the tangent in this thread? Hint: start with F

  12. Food for thought?

  13. JudasEscargot says:

    Alinsky – the Right Wing’s way of calling someone Hitler.

    What is the adage about who brings up Hitler first?

    This must be Godwin’s other law.

  14. JudasEscargot says:

    Speaking of Hitler, Sarah shoved her entire leg in her mouth with the use of “blood libel”.

  15. JudasEscargot says:

    You know, maybe there is something to this talk about the shooter is responsible and not people who may have influenced him.

    That would make 20 Arab men responsible for 9/11/01, not Bin Laden and the entire Muslim world.

  16. From the letter:

    “The left is playing its usual games, right out of the Alinsky playbook: “Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It.”

    From xring:
    “Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It.”

    Yes sir-eee-bob! Straight out of the Right Wing Play Book.

    From Roll_On:
    So, xring, Alinsky is right wing now?

    From JE:
    Alinsky – the Right Wing’s way of calling someone Hitler.

    What is the adage about who brings up Hitler first?

    This must be Godwin’s other law.

    Looks like you were the one to bring up Hitler.

    And regarding the 7:18 post, to use your words, ” Gaaaawwwwd”

  17. “That would make 20 Arab men responsible for 9/11/01, not Bin Laden and the entire Muslim world.”

    Those men were part of an operation that included detailed planning, preparation, training, as well as funding. bin Laden admitted that he was part of 9/11 and hence he is part of the conspiracy.

    Jared L from all indications is a lone wolf. If their is evidence uncovered that provides for an accomplice then the person is also culpable for the killings.

    “… entire Muslim world.” – not applicable as we are not in conflict with Muslims.

  18. bobcat1a says:

    411
    “we are not in conflict with Muslims.” Unless they want to build a place of worship.
    Some of your fellow travelers disagree with you.

  19. bobcat – they can explain themselves then.

  20. Speaking of feet-in-mouths….

    To compare Loughner with the 9/11 terrorists just demonstrates how flimsy your intellectual facade really is Judas.

    They proudly proclaimed their loyalty to bin Laden, et. al — and bin Laden proudly took credit for being their guru.

    See, this is what happens when you set yourself up as intellectually superior. In a moment of weakness you demonstrate that you’re not near as smart as you want us all to think you are.

  21. sharkie69 says:

    “bin Laden admitted that he was part of 9/11 and hence he is part of the conspiracy.”

    No, he’s just a looney operating on his own. I talked to a friend of his.

    This denial game is kind of amazing

  22. sharkie69 says:

    And of course many American’s haven’t blamed all of Islam for not being responsible about Bin Laden.

  23. sharkie69 – bin Laden said it on video… not sure what the issue is here.

    Maybe because I haven’t had my coffee yet…. what are you trying to say with your 8:29 post?

  24. Interesting how the same folks who have repeatedly called for moderate followers of Islam to denounce the extremists (in spite of the multitude of moderate Muslims who have publicly done so) and yet they refuse to denounce the Rightist extremists…..

  25. Dan you are full of lies, myths and delusions. You are part of the problem.

  26. Roncella says:

    beerBoy, When will liberals denounce leftest extremest ?

    Moderate followers of Islam have alot of work to do in denouncing the very extreme terrorists in a loud and visible manner.

  27. When will you stop supporting right wing extremists, Roncella?

  28. Roncella says:

    Polago, Who is it that you are calling Right Wing Extremists, name them .

  29. My list would be too long and argumentative.

    Better yet, Roncella. Why don’t you name three people that you feel are too far to the right to suit your tastes, right wingers that you cannot support.

    You’ve made it quite clear that there are Republicans that are not far enough to the right to suit you, RINO’s.

  30. Roncella says:

    Polago, Come on now don’t be bashful, your a proud liberal/dem, surly you can name these Right Wing Extremests.

    Do you agree with dem. Sheriff Dubnik, that these right wing extremests are responsibile for the shootings in Arizona, if you do, present proof, please.

  31. OK

    Sarah Palin

    Rush Limbaugh

    and

    Glenn Beck

    Your turn, Roncella.

  32. Polago – you provided names but not proof.

    Again, what have any of them said that provdes a direct tie to the Arizona shooting.

    I save us all time. Nothing, you can prove or disprove a false accusation. Go ahead keep saying they are connected… it doesn’t especially if no proof is provided with the statement.

  33. Sorry Roncella. It’s your turn to name three people that you feel are too far to the right to suit your tastes, right wingers that you cannot support.

  34. Roncella says:

    Polago, Senator Graham, Mc Cain, Brown(Ma). are three examples of Rino Republicans.

    Now where is your proof that it was Conservative talk radio that caused the shooter in Arizona to do what he did ?

    Maybe you can call your like minded dem Sheriff Dubnik and get the answers from him, although he had no proof when asked and admitted he had no proof.

  35. There is no way to prove or disprove whether this gunman was influenced by harsh rhetoric from either side, Roncella. You know that as well as I do.

    It would be foolish to make either claim.

    Now, Roncella, please respond to my request. Please name three people that you feel are too far to the right to suit your tastes.

  36. Glenn Beck must be on. It’s very quiet.

  37. ron – how can you hear the moderate Muslims when you refuse to listen?

  38. Correction… when they refuse to speak in public.

  39. Roncella, I have watched the Foxx interview with the sheriff and two others. I know he made several statements. In none that I have seen did he say “right wing” extremists were the cause. He did not say liberal or conservative or name a political party. Would you point me to an interview you are relying on, along with the other righties who accuse him of doing so.

    I talked with a friend who wrote a letter to the TNT that did not name parties, did not point to liberals or conservatives, but talked about toning down the rhetoric. Starting at 6:30 a.m. in the morning the letter was published, he received several angry calls from people claiming he had unfairly pointed fingers at conservatives and that liberals were the ones to blame for extremism. It is interesting how the right is instantly defensive when a neutral statement is made about toning down the level of anger. I guess that is why the editorial board took such pains to point out examples of liberal hate speech in their editorial today. On their former editorial, which was very neutral, they got blasted by the right for even suggesting we might want to lower the level of hate speech, because the right was convinced they were just talking about them.

  40. Again – they have spoken in public numerous times. They have written and published articles that are disseminated on the internet.

    Only someone who refuses to go on a tangent from the “truth” set up by his own circular logic cannot see that moderate Islam has repeatedly repudiated the violent extremists who pervert the scripture of their religion to rationalize vile acts.

  41. Roncella says:

    tuddo, I watched the interview also, Dubnik did say it was conservative talk radio and others who are responsibile for the shooter in Arizona actions, at his news conference.

  42. Roncella says:

    beerBoy, When a Muslim in New York City wanted to build a huge worship center just a few blocks from the 9-11 site,— where were all these moderate Muslims you speak of ?

    There was a chance for them to show their understanding of others who lost loved ones there and are still hurting form the 9-11 incident.

    Instead the lead Muslim who was trying to get this site approved would not budge on its location.

    All I am saying is why aren’t the Moderate Muslims which there are millions and millions of throughout the World speaking out forcefully against the violent few who have caused so much death and destruction all over the World.

  43. Roncella and Polago – I get you both started. I oppose any extremist that seeks to:
    a. overthrow the Constitution by force.
    b. replace our secular government with a theocracy.
    c. destroy the economic, political, or military strength of our Nation.

  44. So xring, based on “c” above, I presume you are opposed to many members of the Democratic party?

  45. The whole point in asking Roncella to name three people that he couldn’t support because they are too far to the right, was to get him to look at where he, himself is in the political spectrum. Clearly, there are people who consider themselves conservatives that he feels are not conservative enough for him to support (RINO’s). But, because he is unwilling to provide even one example, leads me to believe that there are none.

    One’s perspective is always important when evaluating the worthiness, or worthlessness of their comments.

    Tough questions are usually met with non-sequitors, or no answers at all, as in this case.

  46. a. overthrow the Constitution by force…
    how about by using executive regulation to get around the legislative process?

    b. replace our secular government with a theocracy…
    good, so you oppose sharia coming to the U.S.

    c. destroy the economic, political, or military strength of our Nation….
    interesting on several levels.

    So the way I read it, that’s 2 strikes against Mr. Obama.

  47. ron – the moderates were the ones who wanted to build the site. The extremists were the ones who acted like that was an affront.

  48. Roncella says:

    Polago, Are Barbara Boxer, Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, far left enough for you to support ?

    Is the New York Times, MSNBC, NPR, far left enough enough for you to listen to and read and agree with ?

  49. Roncella says:

    beerBoy, With all the many Millions of Moderate Muslims throughout the World, one would think, they would openly and agressively put down the Extreme Muslim Terrorists operating in many different countries.

  50. You can’t do it, can you, Roncella?

    No one is too far right for your tastes.

  51. Roncella says:

    Polago, Is Barbara Boxer, Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi far left enough for you to support ?

    Are the New York Times, MSNBC, NPR, far left enough for you to watch, listen, and read ?

  52. Your question implies that someone has to be far to the left to get my support, an implication which is nowhere near the case.

    I’ve never supported any of those three people, nor do I read the Times, or listen to NPR. I have seen MSNBC.

    BUT, Roncella, you can sidestep naming three people who are too far to the right to suit your tastes all you want, because the longer you put it off, the more it becomes apparent that you have no answer.

    What will your next little diversion be?

  53. Roncella says:

    Polago, I asked you if those peope I mentioned were far enough left for you to support or even vote for if you could, you never answered my question.

  54. Your question suggests that they may be too far to the right for me to hypothetically support, Roncella.

    Is that what you mean to be asking me?

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