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SHOOTING: Let’s dial back all the rhetoric

Letter by Margot LeRoy, Gig Harbor on Jan. 11, 2011 at 3:02 pm with 43 Comments »
January 11, 2011 3:18 pm

I have tried very hard to not assign blame for the terrible tragedy in Tuscon. I believe the shooter was deeply disturbed and his mental illness, not politics was responsible for his violence.

But, I am really getting annoyed with columnists like George Will (TNT, 1-11). Conservatives are now playing the “victim.” Their outrage over the discussion of tempering our political language is inappropriate on every level of decency.

This situation is not about the conservative agenda. Not once did Will talk about the true victims in Tuscon. It’s all about people picking on conservatives. A 9-year-old child is being buried, along with five other innocent victims. I think he owes those victims’ families an apology.

I suggest to Will that he just shut up now. In fact, I suggest that all of the columnists, of every political persuasion, start talking to those of us in America about what happened. Just like 9/11, we need to come together and work together right now.

This is not about Washington spin. Don’t politicize this.

The sheriff of Pima County spoke for many of us in America. It’s time to dial back the angry rhetoric. It’s time to start governing by raising the bar on civilized, rational behavior. That little girl wanted to see her government in action. Is that violence on Saturday the legacy we are leaving to our children?

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  1. “The sheriff of Pima County spoke for many of us in America. It’s time to dial back the angry rhetoric. It’s time to start governing by raising the bar on civilized, rational behavior.”

    Then he went and appeared on “Countdown with Keith Olbermann” and lost all credibility.

  2. menopaws says:

    I saw him on the CBS news……and on CNN……..What’s your point? Is he only allowed to sit with the “cool kids” in the lunchroom? That is just dumb……

  3. The point is hypocricy. The sheriff claims to be outraged at all the over the top rhetoric yet he appears on the show of one of the biggest spewer of garbage and vitriol there is!

  4. menopaws says:

    Look—if people don’t get over this “label” crap………….I don’t like Obermann, and I don’t like Glenn Beck either………Opposite sides but they both are nothing more than overpaid morons…….This isn’t about them–and we need to start listening to the Sheriff, to the people who actually got shot, to the people who were there……If the Sheriff goes on every damn station–I don’t care……I agree with him—and he said the same thing on CNN, CBS…….So, don’t shoot the messenger………

  5. Per Redac’s comments……I find it interesting that you agree with the message….until it comes thru a source you obviously don’t care for….. Ask yourself why none of Fox “News” commentators didn’t choose to interview him….and if they had…would the message be agreeable then?

  6. You’re missing the point menopaws, the Sheriff was directing his comments ONE WAY ONLY. He went out of his way to point out Rush while refusing to address the hate from the left. Then he made it even worse by appearing on a show of someone who does the very thing he says he despises. Someone like that has zero credibility and should not be listened to.

  7. How do you know none of the Fox News commentators didn’t invite him? They probably did and he refused because Olbermann and MSNBC are his station of choice. Just speculation on your part. And who said I agreed with his message? I never did.

  8. Megan Kelly had an interview with him yesterday. (Fox News)

  9. JudasEscargot says:

    The Sheriff was on FOX. The Fox personality (note, I refrain from saying journalist) went ballistic when she asked him his opinion and she didn’t like it. After all, he ran as a :::::gasp:::::::Democrat!!!

    I only know this because someone posted a link about it. Otherwise I avoid the World Wrestling Entertainment eqivilant to “news”

    Now, to the letter writer…..

    That nasty old liberal George Will, huh?

    LMAO

  10. blakeshouse says:

    The sherrif along with Paul Krugman opened their pie holes before the victims names were even known spouting there vitriolic garbage. Megyn Kelly called him on it and he admitted he had zero facts to back up the his assertions. Since that point facts have shown that this monster is apolitical and has no ties to any movement on either side. Even with the knowledge the sherrif continues to scream the same crap. The far left loons continue chant the mantra. The facts continue to make them look asinine.

  11. I would ask those, that have two objective brain cells left, take a look at the video yourselves. What I saw was a sheriff who, instead of providing information based on the law and the enforcement of those laws, provided an opinion that was not based on any fact… and when asked for proof, what facts were those opinion based on… he said he had none.

    She was very calm and measured in her interview and response… ballistic… hardly. See for yourself.

  12. menopaws says:

    Whatever happened to using polite language and behaving like a civilized, thoughtful human being.? I am tired of being yelled at by people on the news—doesn’t matter which news………CBS has done a wonderful job–who needs these impotent mouths on cable? Listening to Glenn Beck trying to paint Sarah Palin as a victim yesterday finished up my cable adventure–back to those with IQ’s of THREE numbers. Obermann is pretty much more of the same.

  13. madmike272 says:

    Margot, I suggest you dial back your rhetoric! that sheriff is NO lawman, he is a politician.

    Judas – I imagine you watch MSNBC for “news” considering your response.

  14. You’re absolutely correct, Margot.

    I doubt that the talking heads will heed your words, as well as those who continue to point their accusatory little fingers at one another.

    The country jumped to a conclusion, then backed away when they found out. to their collective relief, that this may very well not have been politically motivated.

    Unfortunately, the right wants to milk the “victim” card for all it’s worth.

    Good luck with that.

  15. Polago,
    I was with you right up to your crack about “the right.” I know you try hard to be objective, but your bias against conservatives leaks out in remarks like this. Can you not admit that emotionally driven people who happen to vote as you do played a key role in setting this drama off?

    You say “the country jumped to a conclusion…” and I wonder just how that came to be — perhaps it began when a highly political sheriff on the scene chose to publicly leap to judgment about the shooter’s motives?

    This circus has been a shameful moment on the world stage, period.

    Speaking of Dupnik, I’m curious (and not being sarcastic) as to what you think of his proclamation that he would NOT enforce the AZ law re checking immigrant status? Don’t law officers take an oath to enforce even laws they might not agree with? BTW I realize you are not his defender, I just want to know what you make of his highly political posture given his job?

  16. That jump to the conclusion, that this must be a politically motivated act, was totally understandable, sozo, and most of us were relieved when we found out differently.

    If you read these comments for content, you have to agree that the right won’t let it go. They want to crucify the left for jumping to the same conclusion that everybody else, including the right, did.

    So, the only ones who can end this vile rhetoric is the right.
    ———-
    You are correct. I am not Dupnic’s defender.

    His actions are between him and his superiors, which include the citizens of Pima County, Arizona. I read that he’s 75 years old. Maybe it’s time for him to pass the baton and start making his political statements on his own time.

  17. By appearing on MSNBC and saying the same things he told Fox News the Sheriff of Pima Country GAINED credibility. Any credibility Fox News (the single biggest spewer of toxic rhetoric) may have had was lost when the attacked for Sheriff for daring to express opinions counter to the accept right wing taking points.

  18. xring – the Sherif is being chastise for exasctly what you said above – …daring to express opinions… – that is not his role as a Sheriff.

    Yes, he can have opinions but will be held accountable for those opinions especially if they conflict with the duties of a Sheriff that he swears to uphold when he begins his term of office.

    In a nutshell, as Sheriff (or police officer) you can’t pick and choose the laws you will and/or will not uphold. And if you give an opinion, it typically is based on some fact… The Sheriff said in plain english, his opinion was NOT based on any verifiable fact. How bad do you have to be at your job to let that one slip past your lips.

  19. What Mr. Krugman said was correct. What the sheriff said was correct. What the spokespersons from the right have said has been sorry, weak and lame excuses for the obvious inflammatory comments coming from notable, responsible persons. How many Democrats running for congress can anyone name that have used language equivalent to that used by Ms. Palin and Ms. Giffords’ opponent Jesse Kelly? And keep your list current please.

  20. Roncella says:

    Publico, Your always on the far left side of any issues.

    Blakeshouse, Your post 5:36am has it exactly right.
    Dupnik was giving his own personal political spin on why the insane 22 year old shooter killed and shot up twenty folks on Saturday. When asked by reporters if he had Any proof as to why, Dupnik said No.

    The folks in Dupniks district need to retire him Now. He is totally out of control, and should not be left in the job as sheriff.

  21. Publico – Krugman and the Sheriff don’t have a shred of evidence to prove Loughner was influenced by Palin, Beck or any conservative talk show host. Both Krugman and the Sheriff are left wing ideologues who look for anything to blame the Republicans. Loughner was mentally unstable and to make an accusation without any proof is irresponsible. Krugman and the Sheriff didn’t have any problem with the left’s rhetoric when numerous signs read “hang Bush”, “kill Bush” at left wing protests. Let’s get real. Margo bought into the left wing propaganda and George Will called all of them on it. The left is desperate because Americans are wising up and voting them out of office so they have to drum up a controversy.

    Dana Milbank from the liberal Washington Post (today’s TNT) is just as bad as Krugman and the Sheriff for his ridiculous article. Does he know what a metaphor is? Liberals use them too, Dana.

  22. Margot, I suggest that you “dial back'”on the rhetoric and anger. The “esteemed” sheriff of Pima county perhaps spoke for you by blaming this incident on conservatives but he wasn’t speaking for me or the majority of those polled. You, like all other leftists fall back on the same old tired rhetoric when you’ve been confronted with facts, blame Limbaugh, blame Palin, blame conservatisim. It doesn’t wash chick!

  23. The sheriff is trying to cover his own butt. The best defense is a strong offense. The old leftist geezer failed to protect the people in his jurisdiction, it’s as simple as that. His office had plenty of opportunities to check this murderer out and he failed to do so. He goes on T.V and constantly brags about his “fifty years” of law enforcement experience but yet is out-smarted by some dimwit, dope smoking screwball. It’s time for the old geezer to hang up his spurs and allow a sheriff like Joe Arpaio to take over.

  24. Menopaws loves to talk about turning down the hate and venom but yet she continues to do just that. I suggested on another page that you need to take your own medicine before advising others. BTW, they do have medications that will help you with your condition (menopaws).

  25. Joe Arpaio is no stranger to voicing his political opinion. He wrote the book on that.

    Maybe sheriff Dupnik shouldn’t be expressing his opinion, but let’s not bring Arpaio into this discussion as an example of someone who shows restraint in the opinion department.

  26. There are too many folks who are making excuses and justifying the Republican attacks that are mentioned as being particularly egregious. Show me some that are equal from democrats in similar positions of authority and I will stop supporting the points made by Mr. Krugman and the sheriff.

  27. In reverse order of my point… if I give you 100 quotes from the left, that still doesn’t make it right for any side. This is not suppose to be a tit-for-tat.

    What the heck, to the gutter I go…

    ** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
    ** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
    ** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
    ** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
    ** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose (censored) to kick.”
    ** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
    ** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
    ** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
    ** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

    None of this is new, we are just all blind to our ideologies…

  28. And of course all this right wing indignation has nothing to do with the fact that the Sheriff of Pima county is a Democrat.

  29. rr9841, great job! Let’s see what Polago can find on Media Matters, Huffington Post and the Daily Kos to answer you with.

  30. Polago, the difference between Arpaio and Dubnik is that Arpaio enforces the law. Dubnik has stated publicly that he would not enforce the anti illegal alien laws. I guess he only supports laws that he agrees with. Maybe he should spend less time in front of cameras and more time doing the job he gets paid to do?

  31. No one said that there wasn’t vile rhetoric from both sides, rr9841. The contention is that it is that rhetoric, from both sides, that incites acts of violence.

    Whether that’s the case in the Tucson incident may never be known. Many people think that it is.

  32. rr98411, so you think your finds are equivalent to the crosshairs and the invitation to go shoot an M-16.
    Not even close.

  33. “Show me some that are equal from democrats in similar positions of authority and I will stop supporting the points made by Mr. Krugman and the sheriff.”

    They are from the President of the United States. I believe he at the top of the liberal food chain.

    Now I am LMFAO…

  34. Publico, give it up. You lost that exchange with rr98411. Now you can stop supporting the statements made by Krugman and the sheriff.

  35. “How many Democrats running for congress can anyone name that have used language equivalent to that used by Ms. Palin and Ms. Giffords’ opponent Jesse Kelly?”

    Publico, I thought we were talking about commentators and pundits.

    Candidates who have slipped into the pool of toxic waste from time to time are pretty rare, and I think there’s enough guilt in both parties to go around.

  36. Try to explain “If ballots don’t work, bullets will” and how the “Dims” said worse things.

  37. Both sides are guilty. Period. Fighting over which one is less guilty is senseless.

    That Palin became the poster child for this kind of rhetoric is unfortunate.

    The argument is about the vile rhetoric. Does it belong in our politics? Does it cause some amongst us to behave in a manner that resembles that rhetoric?

    Do we have a responsibility to think before we speak in this free speech world that we live in?

    What we sew, so shall we reap.

  38. sharkie69 says:

    rr – you might want to check the other thread were you posted your laundry list. I debunked all of the statements I could find and trust that the rest were just made up.

  39. sharkie69 says:

    “What the heck, to the gutter I go…

    ** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
    ** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
    ** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
    ** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
    ** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose (censored) to kick.”
    ** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
    ** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
    ** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
    ** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

    No question about the gutter. Those are all out of context quotes or are unvarifiable.

  40. sharkie69 says:

    Here’s one example. Go to the ID’d thread for the rest:

    sharkie69 says:
    January 13, 2011 at 9:12 am
    Now THIS ONE is my personal favorite:

    On the South Lawn of the White House a moment ago, President Obama had this to say about the uproar over $165 million in bonuses being paid to executives at insurance giant AIG, which has been shored up by $170 billion in federal emergency aid:

    “I don’t want to quell anger. People are right to be angry. I’m angry. What I want us to do is channel our anger in a constructive way.”</b?

    ACORN mobs????????????????

    Lord do these people love to make stuff up.

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/01/11/what-short-memories-the-far-left-have/#ixzz1AwKdGblF

  41. sharkie69 says:

    “Publico, I thought we were talking about commentators and pundits.”

    Sozo – you post this after rr posts a laundry list of alleged (and false) Obama quotes?

  42. sharkie69 says:

    “frosty says:
    January 13, 2011 at 7:24 am
    Publico, give it up. You lost that exchange with rr98411. Now you can stop supporting the statements made by Krugman and the sheriff.

    how do you “lose” an exchange when one of the people post false quotes?

  43. sharkie, you are so correct. On another thread several right-wing commenters attack the sheriff for things he never said. They use the same false statements Rush Limbaugh quoted from a blogger who made up several charges against the sherrif from whole cloth. The NYT exposed the lies, but Limbaugh quoted them anyway. Then other commenters quoted Limbaugh as an authority, since quoting a reliable source is always good journalism, isn’t it? That is the way Fox commenters work, and then the people who listen to Fox pick up the tcomment and spew it non stop on threads like these. They think they “win” by posting these lies, but, unfortunately, the country loses a little bit of integrity every day.

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