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ISLAMISM: Amish are not like Muslims

Letter by David J. Stevenson, Auburn on Nov. 29, 2010 at 10:04 am with 118 Comments »
November 29, 2010 10:04 am

Re: “The ‘Islamish” invasion has already started” (TNT, 11-26).

There are few similarities between the Amish and Muslims. The Amish do not kill those who convert from being Amish. They do not disfigure their women or keep their women from getting an education. They do not blow up innocent people. The Amish are not trying to kill us!.

The most dedicated Amish make good neighbors. The most dedicated Muslims are to be feared.

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  1. First_Lefty says:

    The letter writer has drawn his conclusion from lack of real information about Muslims.

    His comparison would equate to all Christians being like the KKK

  2. aislander says:

    The letter writer has drawn his information from events that are in the news on a daily basis…

  3. modyfied says:

    @First-Lefty– There are no ‘radical’ Amish groups who recruit faithful Amish, to be used as jihadists. Big difference. I’d like to know how the Amish were compared to Muslims?

  4. The TNT prints this kind of hate-mongering yet they censor us on this site.

  5. agent8698 says:

    “The letter writer has drawn his conclusion from lack of real information about Muslims.” Muslims have carried out more than 16,446 deadly terrorist attacks since 9/11 (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/). The Amish have carried out no terrorist attacks in their history. Do you see a pattern here, First_Lefty? I don’t. 16,446 is the same as zero (it’s the new math). Also, all airline terrorists are Muslim (did you notice ?). But you can’t say that. Even though the human animal is hard-wired to notice patterns, especially of danger, our goverment does not allow such a desire, or such an ability: this means that I am defective human being, unable to work with any kind of pattern, barely able to select apples and bananas at the grocery store.

  6. aislander says:

    So…beerBoy: If you point out that the emperor has no clothes, does that mean that you hate the emperor?

  7. aislander says:

    …or are you just uncomfortable with public nudity?

  8. Ai, you’re wasting your time. He was defending N. Korea just the other day.

  9. First_Lefty says:

    modyfied says:
    November 29, 2010 at 11:55 am
    @First-Lefty– There are no ‘radical’ Amish groups who recruit faithful Amish, to be used as jihadists. Big difference. I’d like to know how the Amish were compared to Muslims?

    Lack of reading skills. I didn’t say one word about Amish in my comment.

  10. First_Lefty says:

    Agent – another with a reading challenge. I didn’t mention Amish in my comment, but I’ll play your game.

    According to your website (which I suspect is radical Christians) Muslims killed 16,000 plus people.

    How many did George Bush kill during Shock and Awe, which he referred to as a crusade?

    Does that make all Christians bad?

    First, take up reading what I say, not what you want to think I say. Then discuss it with logic as opposed to emotional rhetoric.

    In my book, religion – all religions – is the problem

  11. First_Lefty says:

    If anyone would like to check out Agent’s hate site, you’ll find:

    “TheReligionofPeace.com is a non-partisan and pluralistic”

    When a dot com has to claim non-partisan, it’s time to question. Those with no ax to grind and non-profit status are usually dot org

  12. First_Lefty says:

    “Also, all airline terrorists are Muslim (did you notice ?)”

    Good gawd……that statement alone is enough to gag an intelligent human.

    Just look at the history of airline hijacking.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings

  13. aislander says:

    F_L writes: “When a dot com has to claim non-partisan, it’s time to question.”

    When a religion has to claim that it is “of peace,” it’s indeed time to question…

    …and history simply doesn’t bear out your contention that “all religions [are] the problem…”

  14. aislander says:

    BlaineCGarver: F_L’s seeming contradiction is nothing more than a case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend,” and there is no doubt that the hard left is our enemy (that is, of a free, capitalistic America) every bit as much as al qaeda is…

  15. First_Lefty says:

    “When a religion has to claim that it is “of peace,” it’s indeed time to question…”

    Oh…you mean like the “Prince of Peace” that allegedly predates Islam?

    Those nice Christian boys of the Ku Klux Klan had been terrorizing Americans for over 100 years before Islamic Terrorists.

    Blaine – you make me laugh. Now the agnostic socialists/communists are siding with Conservative religious fanatics (yes, CONSERVATIVE).

  16. First_Lefty says:

    Oh…and GO BELLARMINE LIONS!!!!

    LOL

  17. aislander says:

    The phrase “Prince of Peace” has nothing to do with peace between nations, but referred to his followers’ calling Jesus that because he reconciled mankind with God. It meant an internal peace, what we call peace of mind…

  18. aislander says:

    …and if the mohamedans mean peace in that same sense, they apparently find redemption in blowing themselves up along with their innocent targets…

  19. Islander – one need not hate, or be embarrassed to tell the truth.

  20. sumner402 says:

    The most dedicated Muslims are to be feared.

    wow, is that really what fox and the far right media is pounding into your empty heads?

  21. sumner402 says:

    The letter writer has drawn his conclusion from lack of real information about Muslims.

    And we all know where they get their “information”.

  22. sumner402 says:

    and there is no doubt that the hard left is our enemy (that is, of a free, capitalistic America) every bit as much as al qaeda is…

    That is without a doubt the stupidest comment ever uttered, and for you aislander that sets the bar pretty low.

  23. aislander says:

    xring writes: “Islander – one need not…be embarrassed to tell the truth.”

    I’m not.

  24. sumner402 says:

    You never have…told the truth.

  25. ij – typical that you would misrepresent my position on the Korean situation. I was not supportive of North Korea, I was suggesting that the South Korean action was provoking a reaction that, a US President could use to create a new war that would help his popularity and directly challenge the Chinese who currently own our chits.

    But then….you aren’t much more than surface deep. You think all of Islam is the same.

  26. First_Lefty says:

    My Bellarmine cheer sure messed up their accusations of me hating Christians.

    I’ll be at the Cascade Christian game on Saturday.

    Go Cougs!!!!

  27. First_Lefty says:

    “It meant an internal peace, what we call peace of mind… ”

    That’s all there was left after the Crusades was a piece of someone’s mind.

  28. agent8698 says:

    @First_Lefty: I read the link you provided about airline hijackings: I see there were Muslims as well as non-Muslims, which surprises me. However, they only counted successful hijackings, not attempted hijackings, like Richard Reid, the Muslim shoe bomber, or Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Muslim underwear bomber. Nevertheless, people like you are needed, to give people like me a moment of pause. Thank you for the instruction, I will consider it. Another thing: the website thereligionofpeace.com counts the number of deadly terrorist attacks (not the number of people killed). So the number 16,446 is the number of attacks (most with multiple dead), rather than the number of people killed. Do you really believe that George Bush targeted innocent civilians ? I think not. But the Islamists will target innocent civilians all day long (like the thwarted Oregon bomber), because in their view, infidels deserve the death penalty for REJECTING Islam. That is why Islamist call somebody who converts to Islam a “revert”, because they believe that everyone is BORN a Muslim.

  29. aislander says:

    Despite the hellaclever play on words: The crusades began after the mohamedan Turks attacked the Byzantine city of Constantinople, as part of their imperialistic expansion. Hey, the more things change, right?

  30. beerBoy wrote on 04/24/2010 06:06:36 AM:

    Someone who thinks he knows how others think is a fool.
    ……..

    beerBoy says:
    November 29, 2010 at 7:29 pm
    You think…
    ………

    Thanks Arts.

  31. Thank you for pointing out my problem: coming to the conclusion that you think.

    Or are you saying that, in spite of all of the Islamophobic posts you have made, you realize that all of Islam is not the same?

  32. First_Lefty says:

    “Do you really believe that George Bush targeted innocent civilians ?”

    That’s like asking if we targeted innocent civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    Americans call that “collateral damage” – killing by any other name.

  33. First_Lefty says:

    Facinating how the Island’s Conservative Christians rewrite history:

    The Crusades were a series of religiously sanctioned military campaigns waged by much of Roman Catholic Europe, particularly the Franks of France and the Holy Roman Empire. The specific crusades to restore Christian control of the Holy Land were fought over a period of nearly 200 years, between 1095 and 1291.

  34. First_Lefty says:

    “So the number 16,446 is the number of attacks (most with multiple dead), rather than the number of people killed.”

    Sorry, I didn’t pay very good attention to the Radical Christian website.

  35. First_Lefty says:

    My, my, my….

    The Christian Crusades
    1095-1291
    Since the time of Constantine, Christians had gone on pilgrimages to the Holy Land. Even though Moslems had ruled Jerusalem since 638, Christians were still allowed to visit the city. By the 11th century, however, the situation had changed. Just as the number and frequency of pilgrimages to Jerusalem was at new peaks, the Seljuk Turks took over control of Jerusalem and prevented pilgrimages.

    The First Crusade
    Pope Urban II (1088-1099, see art below) was responsible for assisting Emperor Alexus I (1081-1118) of Constantinople in launching the first crusade. He made one of the most influential speeches in the Middle Ages, calling on Christian princes in Europe to go on a crusade to rescue the Holy Land from the Turks. In the speech given at the Council of Clermont in France, on November 27, 1095, he combined the ideas of making a pilgrimage to the Holy Land with that of waging a holy war against infidels.

    A slight 450 year blip on the historical radar screen.

  36. First_Lefty says:

    make that 350….

  37. aislander says:

    So…F_L: You’re saying that the mohamedans DIDN’T attack Constantinople and that attack DIDN’T precipitate the Christian reaction?

  38. aislander says:

    By the way, F_L, if you abjure ALL religion, why the warm fuzzies for the mohamedans, and the bald hatred for Christianity?

  39. sumner402 says:

    Do you really believe that George Bush targeted innocent civilians ?

    Time after time and without question or hesitation.
    And now he brags about it.

  40. sumner402 says:

    Facinating how the Island’s Conservative Christians rewrite history:

    Fascinating and disturbing. Disturbing in that some are dumb enough to believe it and pass it on as fact.

  41. modyfied says:

    @First-Lefty- It wasn’t directed at you, it was a retorical question about the article.
    You have clued me in on what I needed to know about your opinion….

  42. modyfied says:

    @agent8698-
    I hope to GOD I wasnt born muslim….or ANY particlular religion.
    My god gave me the right to choose, and to act like a compassionate HUMAN BEING! Seeking out ways to kill people you dont like leads to the dark side, in ANY religion.
    I hope some of these close-minded haters that posted will wake up and realize this.
    Sure, I will defend myself if necessary, and my family and country, but isn’t that what the whole animal kingdom does?
    Where is THEIR religion?

  43. First_Lefty says:

    modyfied says:
    November 29, 2010 at 11:55 am
    @First-Lefty– There are no ‘radical’ Amish groups who recruit faithful Amish, to be used as jihadists. Big difference. I’d like to know how the Amish were compared to Muslims?

    Uh…modyfied…how can it be rhetorical when you directed it at me? Either you’re a bad liar or you think I’m ignorant.

    That’s all I need to know about you.

  44. First_Lefty says:

    “aislander says:
    November 30, 2010 at 7:11 am
    By the way, F_L, if you abjure ALL religion, why the warm fuzzies for the mohamedans, and the bald hatred for Christianity? “

    Again. Poor reading skills.

    I said RELIGION – ALL RELIGIONS – is the problem.

    My issue is not with Christianity but the worst spokespeople for Christianity, i.e. the most vocal.

    The majority of Christians, are just like the majority of Muslims – a group of people of a common faith, of which neither do I subscribe.

  45. First_Lefty says:

    aislander says:
    November 30, 2010 at 7:10 am
    So…F_L: You’re saying that the mohamedans DIDN’T attack Constantinople and that attack DIDN’T precipitate the Christian reaction?

    No. I’m saying that a 350 year delayed reprisal is BS. What happened 350 years earlier in an ancient civilization should have nothing to do with Crusades that took place in the 11th Century.

    Again, the details get left out by the Christian revisionists.

  46. First_Lefty says:

    Modyfied – you’ll find that Christian religions believe you are born into them. My best example is Catholicism. As a non-catholic I was told by the priest when I married a Catholic that our children would be Catholic.

    Evangelicals will claim similar.

    Otherwise it’s old H E double toothpics.

  47. First_Lefty says:

    “I hope some of these close-minded haters that posted will wake up and realize this.”

    Clean up your own backyard. A doctor was murdered in the past year by a Christian, supported by a Christian organization.

  48. First_Lefty says:

    Oh…and Modyfied……he was murdered while attending his Lutheran church.

  49. aislander says:

    Ambassadors of the Byzantine court petitioned Pope Urban II for assistance in fending off attacks by the Turks in 1095, NOT 350 years earlier. As long as they were going off to war anyway, and given the destruction of the Holy Sepulcher and persecution of resident Christians and Christian pilgrims, it wasn’t an illogical decision to reclaim the Holy Land. Three hundred fifty years isn’t a long time for those with a long historical lens, anyway. Ask mohamedans how long THEY hold a grudge…

  50. First_Lefty says:

    “Even though Moslems had ruled Jerusalem since 638″

    How did this part of history get deleted from your statement? According to my source, the Christians were sent to ‘take back” the Holy Land.

    “Take back”….hmmmm…….

  51. JudasEscargot says:

    Lefty – you can’t live in Olympia, you are me and I don’t.

  52. aislander says:

    Which “Christian organization” endorsed the murder of Dr. Tiller?

  53. modyfied says:

    Wow First Lefty, You’re a real opinionated schizoid, I hope that the people who know you, clue the rest of us in on who you are, so that you can be removed from your high-horse.
    A simple conversation, and you turn it into an attack on others character, that you know nothing about.
    I’m sure we could discuss this elsewhere…

  54. First_Lefty says:

    aislander says:
    November 30, 2010 at 2:54 pm
    Which “Christian organization” endorsed the murder of Dr. Tiller?

    Operation Rescue denies just like you are going to. Of course, the murderer was active in OR and carried their phone number with him, even when arrested.

  55. First_Lefty says:

    Modyfied, am I to understand that you can address issues with me, but I’m not supposed to respond? I’ve obviously taken you to the woodshed on the issues and your answer is a veiled threat.

    I suggest that if you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. None of my comments have been deleted for improper content, so I’ll suggest that I’ve done nothing wrong, other than upset you.

    Oh, well.

    (you’ll note, I refrain from namecalling as it’s childish)

  56. modyfied says:

    First_Lefty-
    did you assume a name calling and a veiled threat?
    I only diagnosed and made an assumtion on your previous attacks, and would like to discuss issues face to face instead of typing and waiting for an answer…
    so ‘paranoid’ would be one description….
    and going off-topic would be your ‘modem-operandi’ to muddle serious topics.
    You should be a politician!

  57. modyfied says:

    And of course, to a politician, calling someone a ‘liar’ is not name-calling..
    clean YOUR backyard…

  58. First_Lefty says:

    Modifyied – to claim you stated a RHETORICAL question when you addressed me directly, is a lie – or as I gave you an out, you thought I was ignorant enough to buy your statement.

    “schizoid” would only not be namecalling (childish at that) if I suffered from said disease and you had a clinical diagnosis. Of course, it would be the equivilant to calling a developmentally disabled person “r-tard” (I refuse to use the real word)

    Tell you what. I’ll be at the Tacoma Dome on Saturday. Look me up.

  59. First_Lefty says:

    Oh…wait….Modyfied….did you call me a polician????

    Are you claiming I’m an elected official? Please tell me which office I hold.

    I’m not getting the paychecks.

  60. To re-use a phrase:

    circle jerk

    kooky

  61. Sumner 40.5 Xclaimes – “The most dedicated Muslims are to be feared.
    wow, is that really what fox and the far right media is pounding into your empty heads?”

    No, our little one…..that is what the Qur’an says of itself.
    Do you EVER read?
    Do you EVER watch anything besides msnbc?
    Little one, the Hadiths (I know you don’t know what they are by your obtuse ranting) were in circulation approx 11.5 centuries prior (that means ..before)
    Fox News or television in general.
    You are not able to provide sources only slogans and rants..
    Sumner, there are 114 Surahs in the Meccan and Medinan Qur’an.
    Why not take the trouble and actually read it.
    Take a breath, your ignorance is very loud…

  62. First_Lefty says:

    lars – what you have proven is that you can find http://www.quran.com. So what?

    How about citing some of this terrible stuff you claim is in the book.

    Tell you what, you cite a Quran phrase and I’ll match you with an equally barbaric Biblical phrase.

  63. First_Lefty says:

    Tell you what – I’ll go first.

    Genesis 6:1 – 9:17 – God wipes out all humans except Noah and a few family members.

  64. 1st Lefty sez – “The majority of Christians, are just like the majority of Muslims – a group of people of a common faith, of which neither do I subscribe.”

    How’s the weather on Mars today?

    No. We do not have a common faith. Islam is an intermittent interruption borrowing indiscriminately from Judaism and the NT. Islam denies the deity of Christ, ignores almost all prophecy concerning Him, ridicules His second coming and attempts to subjugate Him below the status of the warlord Mohamed. Islam misinterprets the actions and significance of Adam, Enoch, Noah, specifically Abraham (there are NO “muslim” descendants specifically from Ishmael, Esau, or of Lot through Moab or Ammon), with context-free misrepresentations of Moses, David, Solomon,
    the decree of return from Cyrus and most of the earthly ministry of Jesus and the reason He was even here.
    Someone who unequivocally equates all “religions” as being the same has lied about ever studying any of them….

  65. Islander,

    First Crusade began in 1095, the last Crusade ended in 1291. The stated purpose was to reclaim the Holy Lands (Israel) and the Holy City (Jerusalem).

    Urban II died in 1099.

    The Turks attacked and seized Constantinople in 1453 some 150 years after the Crusades.

  66. Again, the Left out 1 sez – “Modyfied – you’ll find that Christian religions believe you are born into them.”

    Wrong again, where are you coming up with this stuff.
    Although the term “I was “born” this or that” is occasionally used to describe a family affiliation, the expression is colloquial and not an accurate description of anyone’s state of salvation…because…that is an individual (personal) choice.
    As Jesus told Nicodemas “You must be born again”.
    You of course remember that from your vast scholarly voyages while comparing and studying and offering yourself to peer analysis…..right?..right?

  67. First_Lefty says:

    Good gawd, lars….check into the local community college for a reading course.

    “The majority of Christians, are just like the majority of Muslims – a group of people of a common faith, of which neither do I subscribe.”

    Christians are a group of people of a common faith.

    Muslims are a group of people of a common faith.

    I subscribe to neither.

    Did you get it that time???????

    As to my knowledge of Christianity, I’m a former United Methodist Youth Director. Is that good enough?

    Maybe God can help you with your reading comprehension.

  68. First_Lefty says:

    lars – I’ve realized that you are picking an argument by grabbing whatever is handy that throwing it to see if it sticks to the wall.

    Your “born again” extraction from the Bible has nothing to do with the Catholic belief that a child born to a Catholic is Catholic.

    I do realize that you avoided the challenge to cite verse from the Quran that you claim is so barbaric.

    “Context” – the favorite hiding place for scripture. It’s written in English, thus should be easy to understand, but your example of non-comprehension of my simple sentence leads me to see that you are rowing with one oar.

  69. First_Lefty says:

    xring – the historical data doesn’t mean much to Islander.

  70. First_Lefty says:

    larsman says:

    “You lift a verse in Joshua or Numbers totally out of context and have not even bothered to understand historically WHY certain statutes were given to certain nations at certain times for certain reasons and that is because of two reasons”

    Of course larsman does as he accused me of doing:

    “As Jesus told Nicodemas “You must be born again”.

    by the way, lars, I quoted Genesis, not Joshua or Numbers and I cited the chapter and verse.

  71. First_Lefty says:

    Here’s one for you, larsman, since I’m going to bed and can’t play anymore.

    All of the complaints about kids not being able to gather on school grounds for the purpose of prayer….try this scripture on for size:

    “Be not like the hypocrites, praying in public, to be seen by man”…

    Now, if Jesus said this, why would anyone want to make a public spectacle of praying?

  72. God used the flood because there were more than just “humans” involved.
    There were demonic hybrids in humans, animals and even the plant kingdom.
    Back in the 3rd chapter God promises Adam and Eve a redeemer (Jesus) so Satan immediately begins to pollute the genetic bloodline (NT reference is also in Jude and Matthew ). This is what culminated in the earth being filled with violence. You seem to think that everything was peachy and everyone was nice and innocent and God was just being mean? Would you really enjoy a family of arrogant 12 footers destroying your home and eating your children (ref.Gen 6, Num. 13).
    1) KJV Bible
    2)Geneva Bible
    3)Latin Vulgate
    4) Josephus
    5)Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance
    6)Smith’s Bible Dictionary
    7)Book of Jasher (ref . Joshua and II Samuel)
    8)Ethiopic / Coptic translation of Book of Enoch (ref. Jude)
    9)Herodotus
    10)Muhammad Zafrulla Khan Arabic / English translationof the Qur’an. 1970
    11)Alfred A. Knopf / Ahmed Moustafa translation. 1909
    If you are really interested we can go from here or feel free to do your own research and we can go from there.

  73. Regarding public prayer, Jesus was citing the selfish show-off prayers of the Pharisees who would sound a trumpet or ring a large bell before they would give offerings of alms. Jesus rightly told his followers not to do that, because of the reason that they were doing it (public acclaim) to be seen and heard of men.
    There is a time for prayer in one’s closet, there is prayer for the blessing of one’s food, the protection from evil or prayer in the face of an event.
    This can involve more than one person.
    We should avoid lengthy prayers and vain repetition
    Praying “At the flag” is actually asking God’s blessing and reaffirming our 1st amendment rights, in our country , that were granted by …God…

  74. The Methodist (Calvinist) was originally a better endeavor than it has become today due to its lax liberalism. So why did you …quit…

  75. aislander says:

    Wrong siege, xring…

  76. Surah Al Tauba (Ch 9 Part 10 starting at verse 29-35)
    Surah Al Nisa (Ch 4 Part 6 starting at verse 156-162)
    Surah “The Table Spread” (Ch 5 verse 33) :
    “The only reward of the the infidel making war upon Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they are killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, expelled out of the land”

    The reference to “born again” is to remind you that one is not born into Christianity. It was to be more explanatory. I could have just as easily used John 14:6, the one way only verse, which would be difficult for a newborn baby to profess.
    Reminder, there is no OT / NT in the Qur’an and there has never been a reformation (Calvinist, Wesleyan or anabaptist ) just as there is no concept of “Taqqiya” in the Bible…
    So why DID you leave the church ( former?)

  77. Well Islander the history books must have it wrong again.

  78. The focus of the 1st Crusade was to take Jerusalem and the Holy Sepulcher back for Christians (read that Rome) and had nothing to do with helping the Orthodox Heretics in Constantinople.

  79. aislander says:

    In Palestine the mild rule of the first Muslim conquerors had for centuries allowed a Christian protectorate (first established under Charlemagne) to exist in Jerusalem, and Christian pilgrims were allowed to come and go quite freely. But this state of affairs was ended in 1010 by the fanatical caliph, Hakim, who destroyed the sanctuary. The protectorate passed in 1021 to the Greek Church, and after 1071 the Saracens were themselves overcome by a rougher people, the Seljuk Turks. Christian pilgrimage became difficult and dangerous.

    from: “All About the Crusades”

  80. aislander says:

    It was launched in 1095 by Pope Urban II with the primary goal of responding to an appeal from Byzantine Emperor Alexios I Komnenos, who requested that western volunteers come to his aid and help to repel the invading Seljuq Turks from Anatolia. An additional goal soon became the principal objective—the Christian reconquest of the sacred city of Jerusalem and the Holy Land and the freeing of the Eastern Christians from Islamic rule. from wiki

    As I said…

  81. aislander says:

    Your citation of 350 years of mohamedan occupation of the Holy Land would carry more weight, FL, if that is where the aggression had stopped. But we all know that it had not stopped. A persuasive argument can be made that the Crusades were part of a defensive war…

  82. modyfied says:

    @ First leftist-
    first- Thanks for correcting me, THAT was a threat.

    second- You probably couldn’t find me while looking down your nose anyway, but as others have posted intelligent answers, I’ll be looking for the person wearing a dunce-cap with the biggest mouth. Or is that a jack-boot thug hiding behind a badge?

    third- “As to my knowledge of Christianity, I’m a former United Methodist Youth Director. Is that good enough?”

    The worst of the worst…THAT said it all…..have a good life in your little box!

  83. sumner402 says:

    Well Islander the history books must have it wrong again.

    Xring, you have to have the ever changing book of aislander history in order to know what she is whining about.
    The problem with that is, it’s ever changing so you just have to simply accept any and everything aislander says as the truth, no matter what.
    If it doesn’t fit her agenda or her………made up story, she will change it!

  84. “Islamophobic posts” Mr. Beerboy?

    If you have any citations to support your d.o.c. please feel free to post them.

  85. First_Lefty says:

    aislander –

    Simultaneously, your contention about Muslim aggression would be taken seriously if you quit trying to make Christians look like innocent victims of circumstance as they attempted to overthrow a government and kill all of their opposition.

  86. First_Lefty says:

    “larsman says:
    November 30, 2010 at 9:30 pm
    The reference to “born again” is to remind you that one is not born into Christianity.”

    Tell the Catholics, who preceeded the Protestants by more than 10 centuries in Christian faith.

  87. First_Lefty says:

    larsman – to paraphrase a fine president (gag)…

    I didn’t quit Methodism, it quit me.

    The “Conservative Christian movement” has infiltrated the Methodist Church as well. Does the name George W. Bush ring a bell?

    The legendary Jesus was a progressive by all accounts – changing the status quo, social consciousness, etc. Today’s “Christians” are in many cases a pale image of what Jesus of Nazareth taught. The Prince of Peace would not wage war, for instance.

    I have my own beliefs that follow more closely to the social consciousness that Jesus tried to teach. I don’t need a “religion” to do that.

    As to your citations from the Quran – indeed barbaric, but pales in comparison to the anialation of all but a handful of the human race from the Christian mythology. They got to enjoy the death of drowning

    Christians were big on stoning, also.

  88. First_Lefty says:

    “Praying “At the flag” is actually asking God’s blessing and reaffirming our 1st amendment rights, in our country , that were granted by …God… “

    Funny….that doesn’t show up in the King James or NIV

  89. aislander says:

    Prof. Thomas F. Madden, “A New Concise History of the Crusades,” and “The True History of the Crusades.” The first is a book and the latter an article. Then look up Madden’s bio, and argue with him. I have not characterized the Christians OR the mohamedans; I have just related what happened…

  90. That’s “annhilation” Mr. Research, and perhaps you should check your facts about Christians being “big on stoning.”

  91. First_Lefty says:
    December 1, 2010 at 9:02 am
    Nothing bothers a nincompoop more than ….

    …………..
    First_Lefty says:
    November 30, 2010 at 4:05 pm
    (you’ll note, I refrain from namecalling as it’s childish)

  92. I’m pleased to announce modern Christians have evolved beyond the crusades of a thousand years ago.

    Now, what was the thread topic? Oh yea, Amish are not like Muslims.

  93. aislander says:

    No, they’re not, thewho. Thanks!

  94. modyfied says:

    @thewho-
    well said, i applaud!

  95. Apparently the TNT moderator doesn’t like my quotations.

    Have any of you ever lived near the Amish – they are really annoying when they drive their horse drawn carts in front of you on the highway.

  96. aislander says:

    And you need to be especially aware, beerBoy, if you spot one of those buggies parked, unattended, in front of a government building…

  97. Have any of you ever been in line behind (or in front, or next to, or in the vicinity of) a muslim homicide bomber? It can ruin your day.

  98. First_Lefty says:

    “thewho says:
    December 1, 2010 at 10:18 am
    First_Lefty says:
    December 1, 2010 at 9:02 am
    Nothing bothers a nincompoop more than ….

    now THAT was rhetorical. I didn’t say “thewho is a nincompoop” (which could be applicable to certain people as it is a noun – a fool or simpleton.)
    …………..
    First_Lefty says:
    November 30, 2010 at 4:05 pm
    (you’ll note, I refrain from namecalling as it’s childish)

    see above explanation, ignorance is ignorance

    thewho says:
    December 1, 2010 at 10:21 am
    I’m pleased to announce modern Christians have evolved beyond the crusades of a thousand years ago.

    Now, what was the thread topic? Oh yea, Amish are not like Muslims.

    Since Amish are Christians, to reflect on Christianity in general would make sense on the thread.

    As long as Christians endorse killing, I find their evolution no further than Muslims – just different

    To reflect on the Letter itself, to compare Amish to Muslims is like comparing Buddhists to Christians. It was an apples and oranges topic from the beginning.

    I wish more Christians would take lessons from the Amish.

  99. mmm, back peddling.

  100. First_Lefty says:

    sozo:

    You found spell check!!!! Good for you. I should use it more often as my hands get ahead of my mind.

    oh….stoning….

    BIBLE REQUIRES DEATH BY STONING FOR ‘REBELLIOUS’ TEENAGERS, SAYS PA. PREACHER
    Mercersburg Activist Insists Bible Mandates Execution

    The Bible mandates death by stoning for rebellious teenagers, according to a Pennsylvania preacher and Religious Right activist.

    The Rev. William O. Einwechter’s article, “Stoning Disobedient Children,” appeared in the January issue of Chalcedon Report, a monthly journal published by the Chalcedon Foundation in Vallecito, Calif.

    In the article, Einwechter cites Deuteronomy 21:18-21, which advises parents to take “a stubborn and rebellious son” before city elders to be stoned to death if he will not change his ways.

  101. Circular =

    Since Amish are Christians, to reflect … I wish more Christians would take lessons from the Amish.

    Holy molie… ;)

  102. beerBoy says:

    Got mit uns

  103. larsman says:

    Bb sez – “Apparently the TNT moderator doesn’t like my quotations.”

    Again? Are you having trouble with the thesaurus, try Roget’s.

    “Have any of you ever lived near the Amish – they are really annoying when they drive their horse drawn carts in front of you on the highway.”
    Bb- Yes we have and they are so much nicer to follow than Boom-Box muffler ampers. The Amish are master woodworkers, do not blow up bldgs. do not yell :Allahu Akbar” while spraying bullets at everyone. Yeah I’d trust them a lot more than booted ex-Methodist “youth leaders”(no, that’s not “good enough” because you were ejected or stomped away without resolving or reconciling).

  104. Larsman just issued another major spankfest.

    LOL!

  105. larsman says:

    Here..here…now lefty, let’s bring you up to speed regarding Catholicism, O.K.?
    375 A.D. – veneration of angels, dead saints,and use of icons and images
    394 A.D. – The Mass
    431 A.D. – exalting of Mary “Mother of God”-Council of Ephesus
    500 A.D. – Differentiation between “priests” and”laymen”
    593 A.D. – doctrine of “purgatory” – Gregory I
    600 A.D. – Latin Language only – Gregory I, prayers directed to Mary, angels
    607 A.D. – title of “pope” first given to Boniface III by Emperor Phocas
    850 A.D. – “holy water” mixed with salt and blessed by “priest”
    995 A.D. – “canonization” of dead “saints” by “pope” John XIII
    1079 A.D.- celibacy a new requirement for “priests”-Gregory VII
    1090 A.D.-the “rosary” mechanical repetition around prayer beads-Peter the
    Hermit
    1184 A.D.-The Inquisition – Council of Verona
    1190 A.D.-sale of “indulgences” (buying your way out of sin)
    1215 A.D.-transubstantiation of the “Eucharist/host”-confession of sins
    to a “priest”-“pope”Innocent III / 1220 “pope” Honorius III
    1229 A.D.-Bible forbidden to “layman”
    1534 A.D.-Jesuit Order founded by Loyola
    1545 A.D.-“Tradition”declared equal to Scripture- Council of Trent
    1854 A.D.-Immaculate Conception-Mary Mother of God-“pope” Pius IX
    1870 A.D.-Infallibility of “Pope”-Vatican Council
    1950 A.D.-Assumption of Mary-bodily ascension- “Pope” Pius XII
    1965 A.D.-Mary proclaimed “Mother of the Church” “Pope” Paul VI

    Just a few reasons I’m a Protestant, hope that explains things for you just a little bit more. But don’t rely on hearsay-YOU go and check out original sources like a good scholar would…

  106. allahu akbar

  107. Nice godwin Mr. beerBoy

  108. beerBoy says:

    The Amish aren’t like Catholics
    The Amish aren’t like Methodists
    The Amish aren’t like Baptists
    The Amish aren’t like Hindus
    The Amish aren’t like Buddhists
    The Amish aren’t even that much like the Mennonites.

    The comparison is absurd.

  109. First_Lefty says:

    lars – the Catholics preceeded the Protestants by over 1,000 years, regardless of what reasons have been programmed into your head each Sunday.

    I’m always amused how the Conservative Protestants claim God to be infallible and yet he allowed the Catholics to mess up Christianity for a millenium.

  110. First_Lefty says:

    lars bleated: “Uhhhhh, hey there …lefty…. Deuteronomy was written fourteen centuries BEFORE Christianity.”

    Lefty reminds lars: “yeah, and so they quote Leviticus 18:12 as the reason homosexuality is wrong.”

    Again, it’s funny how the Conservative Protestants pick and choose the time when the Old Testament is Christian practice and when it’s not.

  111. First_Lefty says:

    thewho – if you are going to be a cheerleader, get a cute outfit and some pom poms. You don’t have to understand the game or who is winning, you just cheer alot and look cute.

  112. “thewho says:
    December 1, 2010 at 4:57 pm
    Circular =

    Since Amish are Christians, to reflect … I wish more Christians would take lessons from the Amish.

    Holy molie… ”

    easily baffled?

  113. Uhhhh Lefty, stop yer hoppin to the left and Learn the sequential difference between the OLD Testament (given to the Hebrews of national Israel) and the (here it comes lefty, ya might need to use your hated “right” hand to catch this)
    the NEW Testament. Turn off your MSNBC cranial I. V. and check out the 1st chapter of Romans about v16-23 or so……That would be in the New Testament, lefty. And while you’re bleating, know that Steven did not stone the Sanhedrin…it was the other way around but that was 2K years ago, but the Tallybonne ( “H’s” pronunciation) still practice it along with Iran and Saudi Arabia.
    Geeeeeeze Lefty…still gropin in the dark loudly…

  114. sumner402 says:

    The comparison is absurd.

    Consider the source.

  115. sumner402 says:

    Again, it’s funny how the Conservative Protestants pick and choose the time when the Old Testament is Christian practice and when it’s not.

    I think they are known as
    “Cafeteria christians’.

  116. beerBoy says:

    Sophists and Pharisees…..

  117. kibbles and bits

  118. beerBoy says:

    Meow, meow, meow, meow
    Meow, meow, meow, meow,
    Meow, meow, meow, meow
    Meow, meow, meow, meow
    (sung)

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