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SPENDING: Conservatives already backing down

Letter by Larry Hill, Olympia on Nov. 9, 2010 at 2:09 pm with 74 Comments »
November 9, 2010 3:50 pm

Two weeks since the election and “conservatives” are already backing down on spending and debt.

Those terrible, terrible earmarks that the GOP and Karl Rove railed at Patty Murray are now too “complicated” to cut, according to Mitch McConnell.

Rand Paul, Mr. Stop Spending himself, is now saying he will go after Kentucky’s fair share of earmarks. You have to hand it to Rand, though; he is going to cast a showcase vote against raising the debt ceiling (knowing he will be outvoted). At the same time, he is going to vote for the tax cuts that will raise the debt ceiling.

The Republican/Tea Party never ceases to amaze me. I would have figured they’d wait until January to be sworn in before backing down on all their campaign rhetoric.

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  1. Roncella says:

    Larry, There is one big difference in the tea party support for many of the folks who won their elections.

    If they don’t hold true to their promises, to slow or stop the spending and taxing and Obamacare, they will lose all the support from Independents, Conservatives, Republicans.

    The dems on the other hand can say and do anytthing they want during the election run up, but once elected it does not matter if they keep their promises or not the dems will support them year after year after year.

    Calif. is a good example of this blind alligence by the union support, mexican support, far left liberal/progressive support, and last but not least dem. support.

    Brown won for Governor, Boxer for Senator. The state is bankrupt and falling futher and futher behind in debt, but a majority of calif voters still vote to put the very people who got them in all this trouble right back into office again.

  2. beerBoy says:

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss…..

  3. BlaineCGarver says:

    I’m not sure where Mr. Hill gets his info, but he could not be farther off base.

  4. Larry fails in the first 5 words… LOL!

  5. Aislander, he didn’t call Karl Rove or Rand Paul a “putz.” How did you know?

  6. JudasEscargot says:

    “thewho” is right. It took only one week for them to start backing water.

  7. JudasEscargot says:

    Where does Mr. Hill get his information, asks Blaine

    Fact check this:

    Rand Paul won’t stand for that, will he?

    In a bigger shift from his campaign pledge to end earmarks, he tells me that they are a bad “symbol” of easy spending but that he will fight for Kentucky’s share of earmarks and federal pork, as long as it’s doled out transparently at the committee level and not parachuted in in the dead of night. “I will advocate for Kentucky’s interests,” he says.

    Or try this, right from his home state newpaper:

    BOWLING GREEN — Republican U.S. Senate candidate Rand Paul said he would vote to extend federal tax cuts even without proposed spending cuts, a move that would dramatically deepen a federal debt he has railed against.

  8. JudasEscargot says:

    Kentucky.com: McConnell says Republicans are ready to cut federal spending but says banning earmarks is not a realistic way to do that.

    McConnell spoke Sunday on CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

    Read more: http://www.kentucky.com/2010/11/07/1514526/mcconnell-says-banning-earmarks.html#ixzz14pq2GBql

    Does that help you, Blaine?

  9. Sumner401 says:

    For the last 40 years the GOP has been lying to everyone and for the last 40 years the folks you see here defending them, have fallen for those lies.

    The conservatives have destroyed the nation and for some strange reason morons keep voting for them.

  10. Sumner401 says:

    weak sauce ailander, very weak sauce, even for you.

  11. aislander says:

    Aaah! Now I have to take the props back…

  12. Huh.

    “Administration moving away from 2011 Afghan withdrawal date”

  13. slasmith says:

    Sumner it is not just the GOP all politicians lie to get elected and all politicians are bought and paid for by special interests. This is why it is important for all people to vote.

  14. First_Lefty says:

    RollOn – Who did I vote for? I can’t remember.

  15. JudasEscargot says:

    If they don’t hold true to their promises, to slow or stop the spending and taxing and Obamacare, they will lose all the support from Independents, Conservatives, Republicans.

    What will they do to HR 3200 (“Obamacare” for the uninformed). They don’t have to votes to overturn it. Nice promise, with no substance.

    “Slow or stop the spending”? Uh…that isn’t the way I heard them talking.

    Taxes – since the tax cuts expire in December of 2010, the Democrats have control of that issue. All Obama has to say is “send me a bill with the top 2% taxed or I won’t sign it”. If the Republicans try to filibuster, the tax cuts run out and everyone gets hit. I think that’s what you call “rock and hard place”

  16. donjames says:

    RollOn – the board nanny neither tolerates identifying trolls as such, nor idiots – even when they are one in the same… or, in this case, one in the many.

    As for this non-story, the only interesting aspect is that the mis-quote originated in the usually highly reliable WSJ. But you juveniles can stop your celebrating now, there’s a new story in town:

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/09/paul-pushes-back-on-earmarks/

    HTH

  17. “donjames says:
    NOVEMBER 9, 2010 AT 7:30 PM
    RollOn – the board nanny neither tolerates identifying trolls as such, nor idiots – even when they are one in the same… or, in this case, one in the many.”

    Oh, so I am not to speak of the obvious? I get it now. This makes your post on another thread more clear now.

    Should I chose to participate in the future, I will keep this in mind.

  18. JudasEscargot says:

    board drama

  19. JudasEscargot says:

    I’ll repeat this, donjames, as it appeared to escape you.

    “Kentucky.com: McConnell says Republicans are ready to cut federal spending but says banning earmarks is not a realistic way to do that.

    McConnell spoke Sunday on CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

    You see, they have a video of McConnell saying it and people watched it on TV.

    There is no “non-story” unless one is willing to ignore the obvious.

    Let me guess. Kentucky.com is a liberal media.

  20. JudasEscargot says:

    I remember when Paul didn’t say anything about people should be allowed to bar certain people from their business establishments when speaking about the civil rights legislation.

    I wasn’t watching Rachel Maddow when Rand Paul didn’t say it.

    Denial is (fill in the blank)

  21. “Brown won for Governor, Boxer for Senator. The state is bankrupt and falling futher and futher behind in debt, but a majority of calif voters still vote to put the very people who got them in all this trouble right back into office again”

    California voters are smarter than you think. They realize that their state, along with most others, would not be in such dire straits if deregulation of the financial and real estate industry by neo-cons, had not tanked the worlds economy, including theirs.

  22. So far the victorious Republicans have not been able to identify budget cuts that will balance the budget. Every last one on the talk shows says they’ll cut discretionary spending. It still will not balance the budget. The Republicans talk about changing social security for those under forty years of age. How will that balance the current budget. Oh, the under forty crowd will not draw social security for another thirty-seven years! Of course, I suspect the Republicans will sandbag everything until 2012. The Republicans talk about the government’s take over of 1/6th of the economy. How? The bill that passed lets insurance companies raise premiums to reflect the additional risks and coverage. I call that a win for the insurance industry. Also, do you think government employees process medicare claims- no it’s insurance companies under contract.

    I suggest the Republican House pass a bill to immediately balance the budget by cutting social security, welfare and medicaid payments by 20&. If that does not work than more. It also time to raise the medicare premiums. Anybody under forty should have their social security taxes immediately invested in the stock and bond market and administered by the same firms that caused the current disaster.

    Time to implement what the masses want.

  23. IS – the withdrawal plan includes wording that says “if consisted with conditions on the ground as determined by the area commander.”

  24. karlveek says:

    On an off topic subject. The repubs keep saying we need to extend the tax cuts to improve the economy. It seems to me that the tax cuts have yet to improve anything except a few wealthy folks bank accounts. So how do they justify extending the cuts if they hav’nt worked yet? Just curious. Personally, I’m for extending the cuts to all as long as congress makes equal cuts in spending.

  25. fbergford-
    Just because they self-identified as Republicans around the time of Lincoln, doesn’t mean they were what we now know as Republicans.

  26. If we never withdraw, the terrorists and marxists won’t be able to get a foot hold there. What the H%^& is Obomba doing. It’s like the second coming of W Bush, times 1000.

  27. denismenis says:

    More indicators that our government has transformed into a process where moneyed interests influence elections, and those fortunate to achieve the majority control the agenda to appropriate the peoples’ wealth to further their own personal or business gain and exert their domain or other’s personal lives.

    Looks like the TP is no different.

  28. donjames says:

    Wow, two weeks after the election, nearly two months before the swearing-in and start of the 113th Congress, yet Republicans and the Tea Party have already failed? Because of something one Republican (minority leader) said? ROTFLMFAO, Bush derangement syndrome redux.

    Desperation much?

    Go back to your knitting class, drama queens.

  29. Sumner401 says:

    Sumner it is not just the GOP all politicians lie to get elected

    The topic of this letter is the lying GOP.
    They have been telling the same lies for 40 years or more, why do you keep falling for them?

  30. If extending the Bush tax cuts is the magic bullet to end the economic crisis and the Bush tax cuts are currently in effect, logic dictates that the economic crisis never happened.

  31. Sumner401 says:

    So far the victorious Republicans have not been able to identify budget cuts that will balance the budget

    They refused to do it during the campaign, why should they all of a sudden figure out what it is they are going to do?
    They have NEVER said what they are going to do, only the talking point platitudes of the last 40 years, ‘cut taxes, smaller govt, get govt. out of our lives, blah blah blah……if they never give specifics they can’t be held up as the lying scum that they are.

  32. Sumner401 says:

    dj, 2 weeks is 13 days longer than you gave the Obama administration before your mouth pieces called it a failure.

  33. Sumner401 says:

    The repubs keep saying we need to extend the tax cuts to improve the economy. It seems to me that the tax cuts have yet to improve anything except a few wealthy folks bank accounts.

    You can’t use facts and certainly not logic when dealing with the right wing, neither apply.
    Tax cuts work, trickle down works, deregulation works…….never mind than none of those don’t work, if you just keep saying it, it will be true.

  34. JudasEscargot says:

    “donjames says:
    November 10, 2010 at 6:59 am
    Wow, two weeks after the election”

    Another failure in five words, huh “TheWho”?

  35. Politics is politics . . . The only difference is WE will not reelect people who do not do what they campaigned on and we will vote across party lines.

  36. Big yawn.

  37. the3rdpigshouse says:

    When the Republicans do not support their campaign commitments, a third party will surface!! When that happens it will help the marxist/socialist “OH-Bummer get reelected fora second term! That will be an unacceptable and possibly dangerous consequence for the nation!!

  38. Roncella says:

    sumner, Extending the Bush tax cuts will not fix the economy. It will however keep all of us from getting a tax increase, got it now ?

    The3rdpigshouse, The teaparty movement will keep the newly elected republicans and the establishment republicans on the right track to cutting spending and possibly elminating Ear marks.

    Hopefully Pelosi will stay on as minority leader for the remaining dems in the house, she’s the wicked witch and fun to watch and listen to.

  39. Speaking of backing down.

    Report: White House altered drilling safety report

    “Candidate Obama promised that he would guided by science, not ideology,”

    Read more: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/11/09/1416697/experts-say-bp-increased-risk.html#ixzz14ttoLX3G

  40. No nanook – the TP will claim the Liberal/Dems have blocked them and the ansewer is the voters have to vote fot more TP’s elected.

  41. JudasEscargot says:

    Is there a reason why a letter that points out recent news about TeaParty Republicans backing down on their spending and deficit promises, garners comments that have nothing to do with spending and deficit promises?

    It sort of reminds me of a cheap magician that says “watch my left hand so you can’t see what my right hand is doing”.

  42. JudasEscargot says:

    “Roncella says:
    November 10, 2010 at 9:08 am
    sumner, Extending the Bush tax cuts will not fix the economy. It will however keep all of us from getting a tax increase, got it now ?”

    We’re not going to raise taxes, even though it will increase the deficit that we said was important to not increase.

    WAR IS PEACE
    FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
    IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.
    (compliments of George Orwell)

  43. JudasEscargot says:

    donjames – relax. No one is coming to get you.

    I commented on “TheWho” noticing that the letter writer was incorrect in saying the election was two weeks ago.

    Funny how “TheWho” didn’t notice your same error.

    Sorry, I didn’t count your “wow” as a critical part of the error.

  44. Sumner401 says:

    Extending the Bush tax cuts will not fix the economy. It will however keep all of us from getting a tax increase, got it now ?

    It will also add another 700 billion to the debt, got it?
    So the question remains, why do it?
    It serves no purpose, it doesn’t do a thing for the economy and only ad’s to the deficit.
    Why extend them?
    Even if they expire, as your party wanted them to, everyone will be paying a lower marginal tax rate then we have in over 80 years.
    So this whole ‘taxed enough already’ thing is nonsense to start with.
    When will reality sink in roncella, you teawhiners can’t have your cake and eat it too.

  45. Sumner401 says:

    The teaparty movement will keep the newly elected republicans and the establishment republicans on the right track to cutting spending and possibly elminating Ear marks.

    I have a bridge I would love to sell you.

  46. JudasEscargot says:

    “donjames says:
    November 10, 2010 at 11:09 am
    While we’re on that Who thing,bB, how about the next verse of “Won’t Get Fooled Again”:

    http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/11/09/1416180/olympia-state-announces-12-workers.html

    First_Old_Judas_Lefty, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, have you read your own posts in this thread? Geez, prove my previous post why dontcha’. “

    First of all, donjames – I’m Sumner401. Remember? No. Wait. First Lefty is Sumner401. I’m Pluto or Uranus. We’re all out to get you.

    Second, I didn’t post on that thread.

    Third, who said there wouldn’t be an increase in L&I rates? No one.

    I’ll still trust L&I rates versus the private insurance market. All I have to do is look at how much my employer pays for L&I and how much for liability insurance.

  47. JudasEscargot says:

    donjames says:
    November 10, 2010 at 11:09 am
    While we’re on that Who thing,bB, how about the next verse of “Won’t Get Fooled Again”

    This verse? (which is really the bridge)

    I’ll move myself and my family aside
    If we happen to be left half alive
    I’ll get all my papers and smile at the sky
    For I know that the hypnotized never lie

    I’m chuckling at the Right Wing trying to adopt a protest anthem from the 1960s/70s social protests.

    Next think you know, they’ll be quoting Bob Dylan.

  48. Roncella says:

    If the top 2% which represent most small business people are not included in the Bush tax hold back new business and jobs will be affected.

    Your taxes will go up Sumner, if the Bush tax cuts are not extended. What it will add to the deficit will be more than offset by the jobs saved and made by extending the Bush tax cuts to the top 2%

    Sumner, I will share with you something a very smart Manager once said to me. Increased sales cover alot of ills in a Company.

    As more and more folks return to work the tax receipts will go up fast and the deficit will correct itself. Its the spending that must be stopped or slowed by both the local and federal Governments.

  49. JudasEscargot says:

    Roncella says:
    November 10, 2010 at 12:06 pm
    If the top 2% which represent most small business people are not included in the Bush tax hold back new business and jobs will be affected.

    False premise. Jobs are based on need to manufacture a product to provide a service. If there are no consumers of said product or service, there are no jobs. This is precisely where we are right now in the US.

    The majority of the “2%” crowd have been proven to be single person businesses – financial management and such. Most small business owners that employ others can’t afford to pay themselves $200,000 a year, especially if they are providing well for their employees (well paid employees are more valued than minimum wage “turn and burns”)

    As to “smart managers”, Roncella, take a tip from Henry Ford – “I want my employees to be able to buy my cars”

  50. JudasEscargot says:

    Increased sales cure a lot of company ills. Wonderful.

    All you have to have are customers with descretionary income.

    My household is in the 50-75K range and the “Bush tax cuts” mean just short of $1,100 a year to us. That’s less than $100 per month. Almost enough to pay for the increase in the price of gasoline as it goes up.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#40099652

    Try the 5:42 mark of the video for the reality of the tax cuts. See who wins and who loses

  51. JudasEscargot says:

    I just figured out what the “Bush Tax Cuts” mean to me.

    $29.43 per week more witholding for each my spouse and I.

    Man, we must be setting the world on fire with that money. Almost enough for a meal at a nice restaurant (they need to stay in business, too).

  52. IS – the longer we stay in Afghanistan the more hold the Taliban and Islamic-terrorists will have. Moreover, the Afghans have already dealt with the Russians. Seems Muslims (at least the Afghan type) don’t like Marxists any more than you or I.

  53. I’m chuckling at the Right Wing trying to adopt a protest anthem from the 1960s/70s social protests.</I.

    Why not? They have attempted to appropriate MLKjr and recently I have been seeing attempts to claim JFK as a conservative.

  54. > not . Gotta hold down the shift key or the close italics doesn’t work!

  55. donjames says:

    wow 1 (wou) Informal
    interj.
    Used to express wonder, amazement, or great pleasure.
    n.
    An outstanding success.
    tr.v. wowed, wow·ing, wows
    To have a strong, usually pleasurable effect on: a performance that wowed the audience.

    JE, if you want to mock me for my take-off on the letter-writer’s error, fine, mock away. But it might work better if you could actually count.

    Just sayin’.

  56. Sumner401 says:

    If the top 2% which represent most small business people are not included in the Bush tax hold back new business and jobs will be affected.

    No they won’t, logic roncella, get some.

    Your party is the one that wrote the bill to sunset, why not let your party have it’s way?
    They can do no wrong, so why change what they want?

  57. Sumner401 says:

    $29.43 per week more witholding for each my spouse and I.

    How many jobs are you going to create with that much money??!!

  58. I wouid have thought you might have waited until the new guys are sworn in before you accused them of backing down. These things take time, as Obama is fond of saying.

  59. If the top 2% which represent most small business people

    Nope……
    the results indicate that few small business owners face the current top two marginal tax rates of 33% and 35%. Less than 2% of tax filers in those brackets in both 2007 and 2009 reported any small business income.

    Distribution of Small Business Ownership and Income by Individual Tax Rates and Selected Policy Issues

    Gary Guenther
    Analyst in Public Finance

    February 26, 2010

  60. JudasEscargot says:

    donjames – as to your “mock” of the letter writer – uh huh.

    I must have pushed the wrong button on my calculator because it’s $1100, but the issue is that I thought you guys wanted the debt to go down. You can’t lower the debt by giving away the product. It’s not worth such a minute amount to you to lower the deficit???? I thought that was the whole issue.

    That is the theory of losing money on every sale but making it up on volume.

    As to “giving it back”, I donate at least that much in money and in-kind donations to community charities each year. If the government taxed me an extra $11 dollars a week, I’d never notice it. I blow that much a week playing the lottery.

  61. Roncella – the vast majority of small business make less than 200,000 a year which puts them down here with us workers and middle classers.

    Velmak – “waited until the new guys are sworn in” Don’t need to wait, just have to listen to what they are saying.

  62. Roncella says:

    The majority of small business owners are not hiring partly because of Obamacare and what it will cost them. They also are waiting to see how the Bush tax cut debate will turn out.

    Most businesses deal in three to five or more year periods. All this uncertainty is hurting the whole economy.

    Remember small business includes many of the farms that fill the map between Mass. and Calif., these are the folks that need a break from government regulation and taxes.

  63. ron – any evidence to support that assertion……especially since the jobs creation numbers were so dismal during the Bush Administration and prior to the passing of the Health Reform bill.

  64. Sumner401 says:

    When did the failure bush create jobs?
    He lost jobs at record pace but I don’t think he ever created any.

  65. .Roncella – the two main reasons why a lot of small business are not hiring are:

    (a) not enough customers, and

    (b) due to (a) they have gone out of business

  66. Roncella says:

    ,xring, Your right. Another huge reason for lack of jobs is the lack of confidence about the economy and if the Bush tax cuts will stay in place for everyone.

  67. gonefishin69690 says:

    Nice story. Are you a columnist or just a blogger?

  68. ron – again, since the Bush tax cuts didn’t do anything positive for job creation numbers over the past 10 years, there is no reasonable way to support your assertion that extending them will have any impact upon future job creation numbers.

  69. Roncella says:

    beerBoy, Keep in mind if the Bush Tax Cuts are not extended we all will have a tax increase. A tax increase will not help retail sales, or small businesses hire or expand .

    This is not the time to have taxes go up for anyone.

  70. Ron –

    1) That has nothing to do with your assertion that the tax cuts will help with jobs creation
    2) The Dems and the Repubs are both for the cuts being extended for up to $250K. Not worried.
    3) Remember the Federal deficit? Just how does extending the tax cuts to the rich help with that?

  71. aislander says:

    beerBoy: re job creation over last ten years: The economy was very near statistically full employment over that period of time. That’s around a five percent unemployment rate…

    Many subchapter S corporations realize well over $250K per year, and pay income tax at individual rates. Increasing taxes on these businesses WILL affect job creation…

    A tax increase that slows the economy will REDUCE revenues. Tax rates don’t really affect revenues as a percentage of GDP, but if the GDP is reduced revenues decrease along with it…

  72. aislander –

    The Bush administration created about three million jobs (net) over its eight years,a fraction of the 23 million jobs created under President Bill Clinton’s administration and only slightly better than President George H.W. Bush did in his four years in office.
    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/

    the Subchapter S corporations are included in the data.

    Your assumption is that a tax increase will slow the economy. ASSUMPTION isn’t fact.

  73. aislander says:

    So…you’re saying a tax increase will stimulate economic growth? I’ll take my “assumption,” thanks…

  74. HAHAHA, more inane rhetoric from our favorite hater of them all! More sour grapes from someone who refuses to face reality that their party messed things up beyond belief!

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