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ELECTION: Who’s buying your vote?

Letter by Michael Bowler, Buckley on Oct. 26, 2010 at 4:52 pm with 43 Comments »
October 27, 2010 1:59 am

“I hope we shall crush in it’s birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge us to a trial of strength and to bid defiance to the laws of our country.” So wrote Thomas Jefferson on Nov. 12, 1816.

I don’t think he ever could have imagined that five, unelected black robed justices would one day deliver the democracy he helped birth into the hands of those corporations. The Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision is looming larger and larger as quite possibly the straw that breaks the camels back and transforms our democracy into an oligarchy, the melding of government with a small group of uber wealthy individuals.

This small group of billionaires not only dares to defy our laws, they intend to buy hand picked politicians to do their bidding. Who do you think is paying for that river of vile mud pouring out of your TV or mail box? The big majority of that is being paid for by the deep pockets of anonymous, conservative donors who want to have a free hand to do what they want, whether it be pollute more lakes, spill more oil, ruin more economies for profit, or ship your job overseas or buy more politicians.

If they buy their way in November, and they very well may, you can bet that they will not let their elected vassels, be they Republican, tea party member or Democrat forget who owns them.

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  1. FreeAmerica says:

    I’m not sure Thomas Jefferson could ever imagine taxpaying citizens funding government employee unions buying elections as well

  2. F_A – Jefferson could not imagine foreign and domestic corporations interfering with our elections. And the entire membership of every government union in the US could not match in ten years what Karl Rove has spent on this one election.

  3. blakeshouse says:

    It is easy to make stupid assertions when you are a koolaid drinking mind mushed propaganda spouting socialist robot. Two words will counter the idiocy of the above statement by this robo blogger..GEORGE SOROS……

  4. FA – the amounts donated by the Unions are just a tiny droplet in the bucket compared to what is going on with the SuperPacs.

  5. and blake…… Soros is not the issue.

  6. FreeAmerica says:

    Bboy… Superpacs or 501c can go both ways on the political spectrum…

    It’s high time for corporations and organizations to quit hiding behind the 501c and come out of the closet with full disclosure.

    a tiny droplet? Did you read the article I linked to above?

  7. pazzo242 says:

    Beer Boy–Soros is the issue because the writer made it an issue by pointing the finger at rich conservatives—“The big majority of that is being paid for by the deep pockets of anonymous, conservative donors who want to have a free hand to do what they want”

    I just love it when liberals don’t want to eat the same c–p that they are trying to feed the rest of the public. They are no different when such millionares like Al Gore, Edwards, and the rest spew insults at conservatives but when shown it’s the left that is doing exactly the same thing, then it’s ‘not the issue”.

  8. First_Lefty says:

    “The 1.6 million-member AFSCME is spending a total of $87.5 million”

    How many donors make up the $75 million that the US Chamber is spending?

    All things being equal I would venture to say that AFSCME represents more Americans, thus American interests than the Chamber.

    Of course, the Chamber won’t tell us where their money is coming from……

  9. donjames says:

    beerBoy says
    “… the amounts donated by the Unions are just a tiny droplet in the bucket compared to what is going on with the SuperPacs.”

    Gee ,bB, I know you rely heavily on your left wing talking… er, sources, but if you were reading the latest, you might be aware of this:

    http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/mary-kate-cary/2010/10/22/big-labors-big-mistake-in-the-2010-elections

    Add to that the fact that three of the five largest campaign spenders this year are not business or pro-business groups but unions afffiliated with the democrats, and they are dominated by public employees which are funded by taxpayer moneys (AFSCME and the NEA). And these same three unions (SEIU, AFSCME, and NEA) have outspent the top three conservative spenders 172 M to 140 M.

    Gotta ask yourself; who should be more outraged?

    And, so far, the latest figures show that the Democratic Party machinery has outraised its Republican counterpart in this campaign cycle by almost $270 million. Cry me a river, libs.

    Classic hypocritical democrat pot and kettle syndrome, I would say.

  10. First_Lefty says:

    “FreeAmerica says:
    October 26, 2010 at 7:14 pm
    I’m not sure Thomas Jefferson could ever imagine taxpaying citizens funding government employee unions buying elections as well”

    CITIZENS FUNDING GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE UNIONS????

    Gee, I thought those government employees paid union dues from earning wages for their work.

    Let’s see if we can reduce government employees to plantation workers by claiming ownership.

  11. First_Lefty says:

    Mary Kate Cary is a former Bush White House worker.

    Great source, donjames!

    I’m sure she has no ax to grind.

    I find it humorous that all the Conservatives can cite is that ASFCMEE leads the pack. Now, try this math.

    Take all the convoluted names and alphabet soups of different PACs (I think Rove has three) and add up their contributions and compare to the unions’ (more than one) contributions and what do you have?

    Conservatives do love to misrepresent things.

  12. FreeAmerica says:

    @first? old lefty

    You think the 501c’s represent conservatives only?

    Misrepresentation? Two way street.

  13. This letter is sad. Pointing out “fact” to the writer will do no good ; that is sadist of all . . .

  14. FreeAmerica says:

    First_Lefty says:
    October 27, 2010 at 8:29 am
    CITIZENS FUNDING GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE UNIONS????

    Gee, I thought those government employees paid union dues from earning wages for their work.

    So… This is the point where we lose all coherence….
    The state employee IS paid by the taxpayer for their work and to work for the state one must be a union member….hence taxpayer money funding unions.

    Who pays the employee lefty?

  15. Sumner401 says:

    It’s amazing to me how quickly the rightwing will sell the nation for pennies on the dollar simply to gain power. More amazing is they have convinced their lemmings to go along with it and foll them into thinking it’s not anti-American.

    It really is no wonder we are in the mess we are.

  16. First_Lefty says:

    FreeAmerica:

    A government employee, WORKS for his/her earnings, regardless of where the money comes from, thus it belongs to the employee and they have the right to use it as they see fit.

    If you can’t get your brain around that concept, you have the plantation mentality.

  17. First_Lefty says:

    FreeAmerica:

    The point of the letter is that Republicans have access to huge amounts of money and in mass can outspend the Democrats.

    Can you dispute that without misrepresenting the facts?

  18. First_Lefty says:

    “The state employee IS paid by the taxpayer for their work and to work for the state one must be a union member

    WRONG – many state workers are not represented by a bargaining unit and enjoy the benefits negotiate by the organized workers.

  19. FreeAmerica says:

    http://www.wfse.org/Contracts/WFSE_GG_09-11_Print-Ready3-1.pdf

    Article 40.3

    Employees who choose not to become union members must pay to the union, no later than the 30th day following the beginning of employment, an agency shop fee equal to the amount required to be a member in good standing of the Union.

    Lefty…. We the taxpayer are paying the union fees through negotiated contracts. State employees are public workers…public meaning taxpayer.

  20. Great tag team Deny, Obfuscate, Counteraccuse guys. – “Unions, Soros, they do it to…..”

    groups allied with the Republican Party and financed in part by corporations and millionaires have amassed a crushing 6-1 advantage in television spending,

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jqrQKEXWyAkU7ldtcbyTz-lPd4RQD9IGJF5G0?docId=D9IGJF5G0

    Outside Campaign Spending Heavily Favors Republicans
    http://politics.usnews.com/news/articles/2010/09/28/outside-campaign-spending-heavily-favors-republicans.html

  21. Went to FA and DJ’s sites. Both make the same claim but offer no proof and make no mention of any other groups’ donations.

    You can find anything on the WEB you want. But being on the WEB does not make it true.

  22. Sumner401 says:

    Common sense seems to elude some easily.

    You free are living proof of that.

  23. Sumner401 says:

    As long as there are republicans/conservatives/teawhiners in this country we need unions to protect the working man from the fascist rightwing.

  24. lovethemountains says:

    Mike, do you honestly believe there is a “river of vile mud” coming from only the campaigns of Republicans/Conservatives? Take a look at your Democrat candidates election ads and you will find the same lies, junk and demonization of opponents flows freely from the ads of Democrat candidates and supporters. It is mean politics as usual from both the D’s and the R’s.

  25. First_Lefty says:

    “Lefty…. We the taxpayer are paying the union fees through negotiated contracts. State employees are public workers…public meaning taxpayer. ”

    Wrong, no matter how you try mainpulate it, union dues are paid by the employee from the wages they earn for the work they do.

    Using your logic, you are paying Costco employees union dues through the money you spend on memberships and purchases.

  26. First_Lefty says:

    As to the bylaw you quoted, you left out “mid-level managers” (who actually don’t qualify as management by federal labor law) and “workers with access to private information”, which can be damned near anything management wants it to be.

    My spouse has been on both sides of the coin. Save your arguments for someone without first hand experience.

  27. FreeAmerica says:

    BBoy,…
    As long as the anti-business sentiment continues with the current administration I think we will see R’s outspend the D’s….you can only bite the hand that feeds so many times before it bites back.

    My only beef with the public employees union is that taxpayers are subsidized to support the union through “negotiations”…. the government is not an endless supply of taxpayer money.

    xring? so I’m to believe what?

    Other than that…spend away.

  28. FreeAmerica says:

    “Using your logic, you are paying Costco employees union dues through the money you spend on memberships and purchases. ”

    Very good lefty…except I don’t HAVE to shop at costco…get it.

    Splitting hairs on government employees aren’t you? OK..they work and get paid…who pays them and where does the $$ come from?

  29. R’s major mistake: D’s are pro-worker and pro-america, not anti-bussiness,

  30. FA – nothing that you can verify with your own senses. Everything else with a grain of salt.

  31. As long as the anti-business sentiment continues with the current administration

    Examples? LIke the auto bail out, the financial sector bail out? How, exactly are those “anti-business”?

  32. First_Lefty says:

    FreeAmerica:

    Trust me when I tell you that the piddly amount you pay in taxes couldn’t pay the salary of a low level office worker.

    And for this, you wish to treat them as if you own them. Good luck

    I have a great idea. You don’t pay any taxes and we put a big sign in front of your house saying that you don’t. Then, when your house catches fire, the fire department can say – no worries, this person is self sustainable.

    Each morning when you drive to work, or wherever you might go, you’ll have to cough up the cash to use the roads. COD when the medics come out to take care of your heart attack.

    I hear all of this talk about “run the government like a business”. If that is so, treat the employees accordingly. You don’t own them.

    Oh and on the subject of “running the government like a business” when was the last time you didn’t see a cost of doing business passed along to the consumer.

    You want your cake and want to eat it, too.

  33. First_Lefty says:

    Free America – you know, in this free society, there is nothing stopping you from owning your own island. You could call it “Freeville” and not pay taxes to anyone. All you’d have to do is provide your own infrastructure.

    Go for it.

  34. F_A my answer should have read “belive nothing that you can not verify with your own senses. Take everything else with a grain of a salt.”

  35. fbergford says:

    @first lefty….have you asked your wife about the new health insurance that the state employee union is forcing upon all the workers? I just found out today, state employees are getting screwed by the same union that you are defending! You should take a good long look at it and talk it over with your wife, cause ain’t pretty bud (I too have family members that were on both sides of the coin working for the state)!

    Another point, all federal, state employees get paid by the tax payers. Where do you think the money comes from? A tree or maybe a garden? NO! Government is not a “for profit”…they don’t make any goods that can be bought or sold. They provide services to the people (us) who give them money through taxes and in turn they keep our infrastructure moving forward.

    And no you can’t go and start your own country within the US. Why do you think we had a Civil War? The only “soveriegn countries” within the borders of the United States are Indian Reservations because of the treaties our forefathers signed with them during the Indian Wars in the 1880’s. Our government considers them a nation but the rest of the world does not. An example of this is the Iroquois tribe from upstate New York has one heck of a lacrosse team. The World Championships for lacrosse was in the United Kingdom last spring and the team could not gain entry into the country because they had “Iroquois Nation” passports. The United Kingdom did not recognize the Iroquois as a nation and our US government had to quickly assemble US passports to them so they could compete and gain entry into the country. I can hit closer to home and talk about the Makah’s and whaling but I will be opening a can of worms and I don’t want to continue on that path.

    When people say the government should be “ran like a business” they mean they should stay inside of their means. Learn how to budget and stay within it. All companies do that, if they didn’t, they wouldn’t be in business anymore. When business’ pass expenses onto the consumers one of the reasons is because the government is not living within the means of the budget that they created.

    Now this brings me to another point, how big do we want the government? How much oversight do we really need? Everytime we would like to do something, why do we have to go to “big brother” and get permission, pay them a nominal fee to get an answer?

    I for one do not like big government. I believe in a small, efficiently run government that will let you succeed or fail. That is how capitalism works. The way I see our country going is down a path that I don’t like. Everyone says we should be more like Europe, well when was the last time you picked up the newspaper and read what is going on across the pond? France is in chaos, Greece is bankrupt and Italy can’t even pick up their own trash!

    America was created by people who did not want “big brother” always looking over your shoulder and taxing you! Why do you think we had a revolution to kick the Brits out? Because they didn’t want a tyrannical leader thousands of miles away taxing them for whatever they did to put some money in the pockets of a country that everyone was leaving from. They wanted FREEDOM from that!

    Now all civil countries pay taxes and abide by laws to keep everything from becoming chaotic, but when will all this oversight stop!? Yes, taxes are good to a point, but when it becomes too much it is our civic responsibility as citizens of this nation to put our foot down and say enough is enough. This is how much money you are going to recieve to run our country, state, city! Live within your means, create a budget and run it efficiently as you can.

    Yes some things that the government will cut down on WILL affect some of our neighbors. But that is when someone in the private sector will step forward and fill in for what the government cannot provide.

    Whatever happened to the “go get ‘em” attitude of the citizens of our country? How much will you depend on the government? As a nation we are becoming lazy, and it’s time to stop! Go grab the bull by the horns, make a stand and do it yourself like our forefathers have!

  36. I’m getting a kick out of watching all of the whining and knashing of teeth coming from the leftists. It was o.k when they had all of the money on their side from the commie unions and foreign governments, but now that the Supreme Court has leveled the playing field, the mind-numbed mush heads are whining like spoiled kids. I’m luvin’ it!! LOL

  37. donjames says:

    Let’s play the Lefty game, shall we?

    First_Lefty says:
    OCTOBER 27, 2010 AT 8:38 AM
    Mary Kate Cary is a former Bush White House worker.

    Once again the alinskyite attacks the messenger. Tell me, Lefty, can you cite anything that is substantively incorrect in Cary’s op-ed piece? How about the WSJ piece from which she drew her facts. Doubt it. That’s why you take the cheap, losing the debate tactic.

    I find it humorous that all the Conservatives can cite is that ASFCMEE leads the pack. Now, try this math.

    Take all the convoluted names and alphabet soups of different PACs (I think Rove has three) and add up their contributions and compare to the unions’ (more than one) contributions and what do you have?

    Good question, Lefty, now show us; “what do you have?” And don’t forget to count all sources, including non-union democrat contributors, as well as the huge cash advantage that the dncc already owns. Can’t wait to see how good your math is.

    leftists “do love to misrepresent things”.

    First_Lefty says:
    OCTOBER 27, 2010 AT 8:47 AM
    http://reporting.sunlightfoundation.com/2010/quarterly-filings-fec-reveals-big-power-behind-big-money/

    Try a non-biased source.

    Non-biased? LMAO! Try a bit of your own medicine:

    http://shoqvalue.com/brad-bauman-leaving-sunlight-foundation-to-serve-blue-america

    That would be the head of your sunshine foundation – at least until last May. Guess he forgot to disclose his orientations before becoming so “non-biased”.

    And I won’t even bother to mention that the article you link appeared two days before AFSCME dumped the millions of dollars into their fund to elect democrats, only, thus making them the super pac funding leader. Nor will I mention that the data source that the sunrise foundation linked, and based their biased story on, was dated October 28 – nearly a month before the WSJ piece and the op-ed I linked.

    Again, Lefty, up to date and honest as ever, right?

  38. donjames says:

    Oops, make that 9/28 – dyslexia strikes again.

  39. Roncella says:

    fbergford, Your coments make alot of sense. You have to realize that liberalism is destroying America little by little, one small step at a time. The Press has been taken over by Liberal points of view and daily prints and speaks it bias to everyone. There are only a few Conservative voices out there to try and give another opinion.

    Liberals/Progressives have taken over most of the major colleges. Most of the Professors lean very left or are openly socialistic, and they are not afraid to show it.

    Many of the young people growing up today will never now how great it was growing up in the 40’s and 50’s and 60’s..

    All we that are still around can do is talk to the younger folks at every opportunity so they can understand what Big Government is taking away from them little by little one step at a time.

  40. Great comments from Michael Bowler!And great remarks from fbergford.Then there are some that can,t see the forest for the trees.They are the ones that say there are no trees in a forest.

  41. Frosty – We all know that foreign governments and corporations support the Republicans in exchange for them sending our jobs over to seas.

    And all the unions in American could not come close to the foreign and domestic corporations are spending for Republicans on this election.

    And don’t waste my time talking about the mad Hungarian. He is setting this election out – as in no donations to anyone.

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