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ELECTION: TNT wrong to endorse Murray

Letter by Sharon A. Grass, Gig Harbor on Oct. 11, 2010 at 2:01 pm with 83 Comments »
October 11, 2010 2:54 pm

I am disappointed that you support re-election of Patty Murray in this economic recession (editorial, 10-10).

I don’t see the leadership you allude to. Rather, I see someone trained by the party to operate within their guidelines. I see a lap dog, standing at the shoulder of Harry Reid while the health-care reform bill was written by the few, read by fewer, understood by none, yet passed by many.

Why? Because of party pressure.

If voters do not come to grips with the fact that government has no money, earns no money, only takes our money, we will continue to allow government to sap our economy and our households. If voters do not clean house and put an end to the chummy Congress full of people whose lives now revolve around Washington, D.C., often for decades, we will never get a hold of our deeper issues.

Murray has her pension. Please retire her. Let’s get a new perspective in the Senate. We can evaluate again in another six years. But sending incumbents back again and again to gain seniority and committee chairmanships merely entrenches the expedient, not the innovative.

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  1. eagle_beak says:

    Ms. Grass, i agree with you but am sure i will get torn apart for just writing this.

    God bless America and help us keep our country strong!

  2. OldLefty says:

    Well, Ms. Grass and eagle_beak:

    I’m assuming neither of you are veterans nor related to a veteran or know a veteran, otherwise agreeing that “I don’t see the leadership you allude to”
    makes absolutely no sense.

    Since 1992, Murray has lead the Senate in fighting for rights and care of veterans. Anyone that doesn’t know this, hasn’t been paying attention or is so blinded by the GOP trees that they can’t see the forest.

  3. OldLefty says:

    Ms. Grass – one other thing about your letter….

    “But sending incumbents back again and again to gain seniority and committee chairmanships merely entrenches the expedient, not the innovative.”

    Are you speaking of the 41 incumbent Republicans Senators, not to mention the Representatives of the House that are also Republicans?

    I’d love to see John Boehner’s tan fade into the sunset. His opponent is a former military officer that would be an excellent congressman.

  4. olympicmtn says:

    Murray has her pension. Please RETIRE her. Let’s get a NEW perspective in the Senate….. AMEN!

  5. the3rdpigshouse says:

    OldLefty – maybe the socialist democrat Patty Murray should be paying a little more attention to what direction our nation is heading and spend a little less time on veteran affairs – and yes, while you were receiving your indoctrination in some leftist training camp, I was on active duty!!

  6. silencedogood says:

    When even the TNT give you a slap on the wrist for lying in your campaign propaganda, you know you’ve told some whoppers. But Obama will make them look like minnows before he’s done. Good thinking, Patty. And if that fails find some uncounted boxes of ballots in King County. You’re a shoo in.

  7. OldLefty says:

    “the3rdpigshouse says:
    October 11, 2010 at 4:50 pm
    OldLefty – maybe the socialist democrat Patty Murray should be paying a little more attention to what direction our nation is heading and spend a little less time on veteran affairs – and yes, while you were receiving your indoctrination in some leftist training camp, I was on active duty!! ”

    Dear Readers:

    You have to love these commenters that invoke “socialist” at least once in every post. Oh…and “leftist training camp”….that’s were they teach us to sing the Chairman Mao Song. The lyrics are “poppa oo mao mao, poppa oo mao moa”.

    No need to say “thanks” to Senator Murray, 3rd Pig. She took care of your needs as a part of her job.

  8. OldLefty says:

    silencedogood is preparing for the inevitable defeat that Rossi will take –

    three knockdown rule applies.

  9. Sumner401 says:

    Endorsing a republican “in this recession” would be better?
    How?
    The republicans caused the recession, and they have idea how to get us out. They only want to keep doing what got us in!
    Electing more of them would further ruin the country.

  10. All I can do is echo Ms. Grass’ comments.

    And pray that people get out and vote…

    and pray that the voting count is honest and above board.

    If Murrray wins again, so be it, but I personally would like to see an upset here.

    I can’t be sure O.L. but I don’t think all veterans hold the same opnion of Ms. Murray that you do. Do you know why that might be?

  11. Here’s what I don’t understand about the Patty Murrays in DC. It’s all well and good to talk about how we need to support and take care of everybody, and certainly our veterans deserve top priority, but…well this comment from Rossi’s campaign makes sense to me:

    “Our nation made a promise to provide for our veterans in return for their service to protect our country, and that promise must be kept.” The main threat to our veterans programs right now is the enormous amount of spending and debt that Patty Murray has voted for: the massive bailouts, the failed stimulus bill, the earmarks and other wasteful spending which is jeopardizing Congress’s ability to provide our veterans the benefits they’ve earned.”

    There is not an endless supply of money folks.

  12. OldLefty says:

    “I can’t be sure O.L. but I don’t think all veterans hold the same opnion of Ms. Murray that you do. Do you know why that might be? “

    Yes, I think I can answer that one. There are some people – veterans included – that aren’t intellectually honest. Regardless of proof to the contrary, they’ll believe what they’d like. Proof positive – Birth Certificate Screamers.

    There is documented proof of the work that Patty Murray has done for veterans and the majority of veterans organizations endorse her, but some people just hate Democrats, regardless.

    You see, when you have readers that have to invoke “communists” or “socialists” or “marxists” and they don’t know the definition of any of those words, you have a perfect demonstration of what I’m describing.

    I’ve known many veterans and the majority of them are regular people that did a stint in the military and got on with their lives, but then there are the others that think that time in the military makes them special. They don’t recognize any other form of service to country and the funniest part is most of those never saw combat – they polished a chair with their butt during peace time.

    The latter description are the ones that wouldn’t recognize the work a Congressperson has done unless they have the right letter after their name.

  13. OldLefty says:

    “Our nation made a promise to provide for our veterans in return for their service to protect our country, and that promise must be kept.” The main threat to our veterans programs right now is the enormous amount of spending and debt that Patty Murray has voted for: the massive bailouts, the failed stimulus bill, the earmarks and other wasteful spending which is jeopardizing Congress’s ability to provide our veterans the benefits they’ve earned.”

    Massive bailouts? You mean Bush’s TARP program?

    Failed Stimulous” Who says it failed? Dino? What first hand knowledge does he have?

    Earmarks? You mean like the ones Dino loved when he was in the State Senate on the receiving end? Patty Murray’s two latest earmarks for the State of Washington provided employment for a military provider and a veteran’s clinic.

    “Other wasteful spending”? Now THERE is a well directed comment.

    As usual, from Dino, a lot of rhetoric, with no accuracy or substance. Dino has the luxury of running for an office of which he has no track record, so he can sit in the cheap seats and throw popcorn.

  14. OldLefty says:

    “There is not an endless supply of money folks.”

    Where were those words when Bush and Cheney were filling Halliburton’s pockets and giving out tax breaks, too?

  15. fanciladi says:

    OldLefty: I have a Disabled Veteran here and he can not stand Patty Murray…she does not care that much for the Veterans…not as much as she says she does…it’s an election ploy to march out Veterans as her big concern. He has had personal experience with her ‘consideration’ or I should say ‘lack of consideration’ for our proud Veterans!

    She needs to be retired…and even at that I personally resent her receiving her pension…we will be continuing to support her! She has cost us while in office and will continue costing us retired!

  16. to sag

    1. “a lap dog . . . because of party pressure”

    You must be talking about all the lockstep republicans who only vote as the party-of-no tells them to.

    2. “health-care reform bill was written by the few, read by fewer, understood by none, yet passed by many.”

    Have you forgotten the weeks of public and private committee meetings in which the heath care bill was watered down by the republicans, and that it was passed with at least some of their votes.

    3. “Chummy Congress full of people whose lives now revolve around Washington, D.C”

    The chummiest people in congress are the republicans with their corporate paymasters.

    To 3rdpig

    Maybe you should take a good long look at the direction the corporate republicans were, and want to continue, taking our country.

  17. I have always been critical of gov over-spending regardless of who was in the Whitehouse.

    True, Rossi is in the position to lob accusations without having a senate voting record we can look at. But we CAN look at Patty’s and she spends big.
    She also does appear to be one of the Reid/Pelosi/Obama darlings.

  18. truthbusterguy says:

    I have three friends that use VA hospitals and know a Dr. and PA that work there. All Patty has done is blow smoke up the VFW’s butt, sold them a used car and made them think she did good things for the VA. Just ask someone that works there. They know the truth about her.

    Time for her to GO!!!!

  19. the3rdpigshouse says:

    OldLefty – no, in your socialist cesspool existence you need someone to take care of you – I rely on personal responsibility and hard work – not the tennie runner socialist democrat Murray- and not being a dependent of the state as are sooo many in our sick society!!

  20. OldLefty says:

    “truthbusterguy says:
    October 11, 2010 at 8:12 pm
    I have three friends that use VA hospitals and know a Dr. and PA that work there. All Patty has done is blow smoke up the VFW’s butt, sold them a used car and made them think she did good things for the VA. Just ask someone that works there. They know the truth about her.

    Time for her to GO!!!! “</i?

    Ask your resident experts about these issues concerning Murray's work for the VA:

    2003-4: Helps keep VA's American Lake, Vancouver and Walla Walla facilities open after they are targeted for closure.

    2005: Exposes major VA funding shortfall; Congress passes an additional $1.5 billion.

    2005: Introduces legislation to help more vets with multiple sclerosis get VA care.

    2006-7: Helps win approval for new VA clinics in Washington state.

    2007: Pushes record funding for VA.

    2007: Helps introduce legislation to create comprehensive-care system for both active troops and veterans.

    2007: Introduces legislation that would make 242,000 additional veterans eligible for care and rescind VA cutbacks announced in 2003.

  21. OldLefty says:

    “fanciladi says:
    October 11, 2010 at 7:17 pm
    OldLefty: I have a Disabled Veteran here and he can not stand Patty Murray…she does not care that much for the Veterans…not as much as she says she does…it’s an election ploy to march out Veterans as her big concern. He has had personal experience with her ‘consideration’ or I should say ‘lack of consideration’ for our proud Veterans!

    She needs to be retired…and even at that I personally resent her receiving her pension…we will be continuing to support her! She has cost us while in office and will continue costing us retired!

    Here…..you take a shot at reality….

    2003-4: Helps keep VA’s American Lake, Vancouver and Walla Walla facilities open after they are targeted for closure.

    2005: Exposes major VA funding shortfall; Congress passes an additional $1.5 billion.

    2005: Introduces legislation to help more vets with multiple sclerosis get VA care.

    2006-7: Helps win approval for new VA clinics in Washington state.

    2007: Pushes record funding for VA.

    2007: Helps introduce legislation to create comprehensive-care system for both active troops and veterans.

    2007: Introduces legislation that would make 242,000 additional veterans eligible for care and rescind VA cutbacks announced in 2003.

    Now tell me she’s done nothing for veterans.

  22. OldLefty says:

    And then there is this:

    “Fairchild Air Force Base would get a new building to house sensitive equipment used to test and fix airplanes under an addition to a military spending bill proposed by Sen. Patty Murray this week.

    Murray, D-Wash., added $4.8 million to the Senate version of the military construction appropriations bill for a new building for the Precision Measurement Equipment Laboratory, which is currently housed in a building from 1943.

    Murray is a member of the subcommittee that works on that spending bill.

    Col. John Tobin, maintenance group commander at Fairchild, said PMEL is key to making sure that tools and other equipment are properly calibrated before they are used to work on airplanes. The measuring equipment is sensitive to heat, humidity, vibration or electronic waves, so maintenance problems with the building can interfere with the operation of the equipment.

    The building, constructed for the World War II air depot, has a small open bay and may have been used for many things over the years, Tobin said. Although it has been upgraded, “it’s very expensive to maintain, and it’s not very efficient.”

  23. OldLefty says:

    This will be the largest thing to swallow – TNT’s endorsement, but it’s absolutely on track 100%:

    “Murray serves in Senate leadership and chairs the Committee on Appropriations’ transportation subcommittee, a post that puts her in the Senate’s “college of cardinals.” She’s a tenacious champion of Washington state interests. She has secured billions of federal dollars to improve roads and bridges, build transit, clean up Hanford, improve port and border security and shore up the state budget.

    Murray is also a dogged supporter of ensuring that troops have the equipment they need and that the nation takes care of its veterans, no small consideration here in the South Sound.”

    Read more: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/10/10/1376438/re-elect-patty-murray-to-the-us.html#ixzz127HCnetV

    Seniority and power are earned through experience in the Senate. Why replace a thoroughbred with a pony?

  24. karlveek says:

    Great posts lefty! However, I doubt if you will change their minds. They have no real answers or responses to your facts. Only the same old tired “socialist and communists” junk. Now whta’s really fuuny to watch is the new commercial complaining about Rep Murry’s earmarks. Such fools. Those earmarks are tax dollars coming back to our state to help us. Of course we now know those adds are part of Karl Rove’s $800,000 to trash Murry. As soon as I saw that the traitor Rove was envoled I knew Dino is getting disparate. Rove and his traitor freind Cheney should be in jail for exposing an active intelligence agent.

  25. bob_hutson1 says:

    Old lefty, thank you for all of your efforts on behalf of Senator Murray. All loyal Americans need folks like you to call these misguided or unaware folks out and set them straight. I don’t know if they are ignorant, stupid, evil or a combination of all of these but anyone who can think knows that Senator Murray has been and will continue to be a champion, particularly for vets, and also all citizens of our state and Americans of good will.

  26. fanciladi says:

    OldLefty and others who are in love with Patty Murray:

    Ms. Murray has taken credit for many things that Rep. Dicks and others have done, as keeping the VA facilities open. Apparently you all are believing her boasting and the media spin and don’t know the ‘behind the scenes’ truth. You will not change your mind and I will not either, considering I have some inside info as some of you other posters have who do not trust Ms. Murray. Since the Obama administration came into power things have gone downhill in the VA and that is a fact if you hear from those in the know. Even during the Clinton years…seems the ‘left’ doesn’t care much about those who keep them and our country safe.

    Oldlefty and others…you can not argue with an experience and many, actually I could say most who have dealings with the VA have the experience and it’s mostly not good! That is another reason most of those do not want the Healthcare that was forced through.

    I trust what those I know who have the experience with the VA over those who only have book/newspaper learning. Listen to those who have been left hanging out to dry with nothing when they have earned benefits for their service.

    There may be some who have had no problems at all and have had smooth sailing getting their VA benefits and treatment and that is wonderful…but, I think they are in the minority.

    God Bless our Veterans! I know they need someone better than Ms. Murray!

  27. FreeAmerica says:

    misguided fools…idiots..unaware…ignorant..fools…

    The left will never learn.

    All good reason to vote for Rossi.

  28. I have visions of Patty standing at the ramparts, fighting off those cruel republicans who would dis-embowel the V.A, send our veterans to work camps and send their widows off for re-indoctrination. Yes, Patty Murray, the saviour of our great nation, the Joan Of Arc for the common man!! Pass the koolaid please! In all seriousness, she needs to go. Shes has soiled the Halls of Congress much too long.

  29. iamjimbo says:

    If # of posts in a single thread is an indicator of desperation, well…

  30. Find me one politician who cannot make herself or himself look good on paper at election time. Patty Murray is a pro. I’m with fanciclad on this one. I want to hear from the folks in the trenches.

    Additionally, it’s not all that hard to win friends when you keep throwing money at them which is what the dems do. The problem is there is no money to throw…unless of course we do things like jump start a state income tax that will bring in billions — so we can throw some of that at a school system that does not need more money, or at least, cannot be fixed with money.

    This seems to capture the spirit of the left…find money (or go into extreme debt) and throw it around until everyone in society is completely dependent on you and feels entitled to receive Big Brother’s care at a moment’s notice.

    And btw why does hutson get to use language like this to describe those who disagree with him…”ignorant, stupid, evil or a combination of all of these” while others are carefully censored?

  31. Roncella says:

    Thank You Sharon, for writing a great letter. Liberal democrats will scream like greased pigs when they read it, but in their twisted world you almost have to pity them.

    Thanks again for a super Letter.

  32. OldLefty says:

    Roncella – scream like greased pigs? No, this liberal Democrat will just post facts that prove the letter wrong. That’s the way you are supposed to pose an argument.

  33. OldLefty says:

    “Ms. Murray has taken credit for many things that Rep. Dicks and others have done, as keeping the VA facilities open.”

    And your proof of this is where? Mine source was the Seattle Times and the News Tribune

  34. OldLefty says:

    “sozo says:
    October 12, 2010 at 8:39 am
    Patty Murray is a pro.”

    Finally, a slice of honesty.

  35. fanciladi says:

    OldLefty: Actually from someone who has called Rep. Dick’s office and had mentioned it again and again as she campaigns on those issues. They aren’t very happy about it either. I trust this ‘fact’!

  36. OldLefty says:

    “03/30/2010 KUOW

    Washington Senator Patty Murray is in Seattle Tuesday to talk with Veterans who are having trouble finding work. Unemployment numbers for soldiers returning from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have almost doubled since 2008.”

    I haven’t heard Dino say anything about unemployed vets. Maybe Fanciladi’s friends that go to the VA could ask a couple of employees about it.

    Hey, Fanciladi! I loved the line about learning from friends and not what you read in books and newspapers. Gossip is great!

  37. OldLefty says:

    Well, considering I’ve had personal conversations with both Senator Murray and Congressman Dicks and neither one of them said a word about the crap you are trying to spread, I’ll take my sources.

    How’s that work for you?

    You need the dates? I met with Murray in September of 2006 and Dicks in November of 2005. Sorry, don’t recall the exact days. (also met with Murray’s chief of staff in July of 2009)

    You and your friends will just have to spin your yarns between yourselves.

  38. OldLefty says:

    Oh….if what your friends say is true, how does a Congress get Legislation through without a Senate.

    Have you gossip guys considered that both had something to do with it? What a concept, huh?

  39. OldLefty says:

    Fanciladi – where any of your veteran friend spit on when returning from Vietnam? This is a favorite yarn of the story spinning vets.

  40. Roncella says:

    Oldlefty, Here is some free advice. Lighten up on the Liberal Democrat Koolaid, its taken over your common sense and judgement.

  41. fanciladi says:

    Oldlefty…since you do not know my circumstances, who I know, what I know nor what you are talking about, I will consider the source…you are, as your name, old and left and proud of it!

    I’m not young and many of my classmates died in VietNam. It’s not good to jump to conclusions about those posting here…jumping to conclusions sometimes is the only exercise some get…but, you have to watch where you land!

  42. fanciladi says:

    Oldlefty…one more thing:

    “Hey, Fanciladi! I loved the line about learning from friends and not what you read in books and newspapers. Gossip is great!”

    Apparently you misread my comment in my earlier comment…you have taken it out of context…that is not where I said I learned…it’s where the those who love Ms. Murray have learned…

  43. OldLefty says:

    Oh, Roncella…..the “koolaid” spew……..I’ve never heard that one.

    Fanciladi – since you know my circumstances – having met personally with both Dicks and Murray, I will consider the source also – you have imaginary friends that use the VA – FAIR?

    Proud of being a progressive? Danged right, I am. Progressives were what made this country. If the original settlers to this continent were Conservatives, we’d still have a King.

    My analogy about Vietnam veterans and being spit on is not because I didn’t live through the era. It’s because a writer took the time to research that urban legend (most likely started with Rambo) and found it empty. I have yet to meet a Nam vet that will support that story and most will tell you that the people who say they were spit on are full of…..well…..you know.

    You have heresay. I’ve done my homework and spoken to the individuals involved. Sorry, I’ll take my sources over yours.

  44. OldLefty says:

    “I trust what those I know who have the experience with the VA over those who only have book/newspaper learning. ”

    Your words.

    Ever work for a great company? I do. They treat me well, pay me well, I set my own hours and they pay great benefits.

    There are still people that complain about the owners.

    I rest my case.

  45. the3rdpigshouse says:

    OldLefty and the rest of you who believe that the VA is Murrays only responsibility, what are you going to do when your nation is bankrupt and you have lost the majority of your freedoms?? What are you going to do as we further dismantle our U.S. Military if the socialist democrats maintain control of Congress?? What are you going to survive on whn the governments fiscal policies result in a national currency valued somewhere around that of Zimbabwes?? Who do you think is going to control the imperialist interests of China after our military is reduced to that of Canada & England??

    If Washington voters believe Murray is the greatest thing for the VA – lobby for her to be the head of the VA however, she has no value to our nation as a U.S. Senator!!!

  46. fanciladi says:

    “I trust what those I know who have the experience with the VA over those who only have book/newspaper learning. Listen to those who have been left hanging out to dry with nothing when they have earned benefits for their service.”

    Yes…I trust those who have the experience with the VA…(of which there are many who have had vast problems and no satisfaction)…over those who only have had book/newspaper learning (have never experienced what a Veteran has to do or even what hoops they have to leap through to TRY to get their benefits!)

    Hope that is much clearer for you now, Oldlefty!

  47. iamjimbo says:

    … as I said up thread…

  48. fanciladi says:

    Well, Oldlefty….enjoy your sources…I wouldn’t trust them…you totally misread into what I and others have posted to fit your agenda…so you can jump all over them….remember to watch where you land…

  49. fanciladi says:

    iamjimbo…..good point!

  50. Sumner401 says:

    Find me one politician who cannot make herself or himself look good on paper at election time.

    Dino Rossi.

  51. Sumner401 says:

    roncella, Here is some free advice. Lighten up on the conservative teawhiner Koolaid, its taken over your common sense and judgment.

  52. OldLefty says:

    “the3rdpigshouse says:
    October 12, 2010 at 10:01 am
    OldLefty and the rest of you who believe that the VA is Murrays only responsibility,”

    Boy…..”support your troops” becomes a real weak slogan when you want to hunt for something wrong with a person who does such a great job of supporting our troops.

  53. headedsouth says:

    Sharon – please tell me one idea or thought on how the GOP or the Tea people would fix things? It is easy to sit on the side line and complain about the game.

  54. OldLefty says:

    “fanciladi says:
    October 12, 2010 at 10:09 am
    “I trust what those I know who have the experience with the VA over those who only have book/newspaper learning. Listen to those who have been left hanging out to dry with nothing when they have earned benefits for their service.”

    Yes…I trust those who have the experience with the VA…(of which there are many who have had vast problems and no satisfaction)…over those who only have had book/newspaper learning (have never experienced what a Veteran has to do or even what hoops they have to leap through to TRY to get their benefits!)

    Hope that is much clearer for you now, Oldlefty!

    Here is what is abundantly clear. Rossi has done NOTHING for veterans. Murray has a track record of service for veterans. There are things called “voting records”.

    Now, again….since you want to cloak your friends and their maladies with VA, I can’t very well answer directly to the issue. The VA isn’t perfect. Of course, neither is a private hospital. If you’d like, I could comb the internet for blog quotes from veterans that Murray (and Dicks) have helped and working throught the VA red tape (all systems have red tape). We also might find, if you were transparent about the issue, that your friends are being unreasonable about their requests.

    Meanwhile, I’ll continue to base my opinions on personal contact, voting records and documented performance.

    3rd Pig – you might want to wake up and notice that Murray got funding for Fairchild which create jobs in Eastern Washington. Something more than veterans.

    You just have to be willing to pay attention.

    You think a freshman Dino will have that kind of power to bring home 4+ Million dollars for a project that the military was trying to ignore for 30 years or so?

  55. OldLefty says:

    headedsouth says:
    October 12, 2010 at 10:52 am
    Sharon – please tell me one idea or thought on how the GOP or the Tea people would fix things? It is easy to sit on the side line and complain about the game.

    Exactly my point!!!

    I have voted for and will vote for good Republicans, but I haven’t heard one iota of sense coming from the latest crop of TEApublicans. Even leading Republicans are moving the opposite direction from these slogan spewers.

    Here is a great example from Rand Paul, when talking about Bill Clinton, who was helping his opponent campaign:

    “I’m not sure I would trust a guy who had had sexual relations with an intern,” Paul said. “I mean, do you think he’s an honorable person?”

    Now did Rand Paul think about Newt Gingrich when spewing out that bit of insanity? Why bring that crap to the table when the GOP is as guilty as anyone – Mark Foley and Larry Craig come to mind.

    You see, Rand Paul has no real issues, except his dispute with the civil rights act, which he was told to shut up about.

    I want to hear Dino’s solutions other than “I’m not Patty Murray” or “Patty Murray works with Obama, Reid and Pelosi”.

    Great Dino, you’ll work with DeMint the racist, Boehner the golfer and Diaperman.

  56. FreeAmerica says:

    @lefty…. doesn’t appear Rossi needs anything but “I’m not murray”

    Obamanomics are doing so well? why bother….

  57. Murray will be history in 20 days! The veterans will survive without her as they have in other states and for generations before she came out of the swamp with Pelosi. Anyone who say’s that progressives are what made this country great needs some serious psycho help. Progressives didn’t come out of the dark until the 60’s.

  58. To fanciladi says: re (of which there are many who have had vast problems and no satisfaction)…

    the same can be said for any health care organization, hospital, or insurance company.

    And I have never heard of a VA patient going bankrupt due to medical expenses.

  59. frosty needs to stop getting his history from a tea stained coloring book.

    The term pogressive dates will back in to the 1800’s.

    Without progressive ideals only white males would be allowed to vote.

  60. “support our troops” republican speak for let them die to make corporations richer.

  61. I’d like to ask a couple of questions, no sarcasm intended.

    Why do people who view the world through a “left” lens feel so offended by the term socialist?

    And why do you slander those who oppose your chosen candidates by implication as in this comment by xring: “support our troops” republican speak for let them die to make corporations richer?”

    To identify one as a socialist is hardly as bilious as suggesting that one is as evil as this remark suggests.

    Do you truly believe that everyone who does not vote for dems is a murderous corporate puppet? Do you not realize how many dems are in the pockets of the rich?

  62. FreeAmerica says:

    “And I have never heard of a VA patient going bankrupt due to medical expenses.”

    Thats because there is an income threshold for va care…. one must be near bankrupt just to get care. A vet would know this fact.

  63. And here I thought the VA only handled veterns whose problems were related to their military service.

    A real vetern would know that.

  64. What’s a vetern?

  65. A spell check malfunction or a colorful misspelling of veteran.

  66. a. We don’t like being called socialists because we are progressives. The differences between the two are of the same order of magnitude as the differences between Harry Reid and Sharon Angel. (Suggest you try a goggle search)

    b. ‘support our troops’. It’s not slander if it’s true. One need only look at Bush and his cronies’ mismanagement of two unnecessary wars, and their disrespect and disregard for dead and wounded military personnel and their families.

    c. Not all who vote for the right are evil, they are just misinformed. And no, not all dems are above reproach

  67. OldLefty says:

    Obamanomics? Cute! We’ve created another name to try to demonize something. I’m glad the CONs are keeping busy.

    Well, let’s see….where was the stock market in Jan 2009? 7,920.66 close

    Where is it today? 11020 Close.

    The Dow is up over 39% since Obama took office.

    Is that Obamanomics?

  68. OldLefty says:

    “Thats because there is an income threshold for va care…. one must be near bankrupt just to get care. A vet would know this fact.

    Well, now, there is a bold faced lie! My dad got VA benefits after his stoke and my mom was far from bankrupt.

    He was a WWII Navy Vet that never saw combat.

  69. OldLefty says:

    “Why do people who view the world through a “left” lens feel so offended by the term socialist?”

    It’s all in the intent and context of it being used. Let’s try another word as an example.

    “Pervert.

    If you were watching an adult movie with friends and someone laughed and called you a pervert, you’d probably just laugh.

    If you were coaching kids and someone called you a pervert it’s entirely different.

    How much should I charge you for the English lessons to exercise my capitalism?

  70. But I don’t NEED goggles, xring!

    Please tell me that you do not, in fact, teach English O.L.!

    Lessee…pervert is to socialist as “pervert” is to “socialist?” LOL

  71. Or perhaps it’s “pervert” is to pervert as “socialist ” is to socialist?

    Or maybe socialism is a perversion?

  72. iamjimbo says:

    … so toyotaman gets the last word???

  73. OldLefty says:

    sozo – I won’t tell you I teach English and you don’t tell me you understand the word “analogy”

  74. I also hopesozo doesn’t tell us that she teaches anything other than pigs to sing.

  75. sorry lol always impacts by keyboarding. that should have been:

    also hope sozo doesn’t tell us that she teaches anything other than pigs to sing.

  76. FreeAmerica says:

    Priority Group 8 Enrollment Relaxation
    New regulations went into effect on June 15, 2009 which enabled the Department of Veteran Affairs (VA) to relax income restrictions on enrollment for health benefits. While this new provision does not remove consideration of income, it does increase income thresholds. You may be eligible for enrollment under this new provision. The new VA National Income Thresholds can be found on line at http://www.va.gov/healtheligibility/Library/AnnualThresholds.asp.

    An Enrollment Calculator is available to help Veterans determine their potential eligibility for VA health care services under the proposed regulation. Check to see if you qualify under the new rules for VA health care at http://www.va.gov/healtheligibility/apps/enrollmentcalculator/.

  77. FreeAmerica says:

    OldLefty says:
    October 12, 2010 at 5:05 pm
    Well, now, there is a bold faced lie! My dad got VA benefits after his stoke and my mom was far from bankrupt.

    xring says:
    October 12, 2010 at 3:20 pm
    And here I thought the VA only handled veterns whose problems were related to their military service.

    A real vetern would know that.

    Some who step in it…. smell bad….

  78. OldLefty says:

    “FreeAmerica says:
    October 12, 2010 at 2:37 pm
    Thats because there is an income threshold for va care…. one must be near bankrupt just to get care. A vet would know this fact.

    OldLefty says:
    October 12, 2010 at 5:05 pm
    Well, now, there is a bold faced lie! My dad got VA benefits after his stoke and my mom was far from bankrupt.

    Context. It’s everything.

    Even though Dad died long before 2009, he and mom still got VA assistance and no one was bankrupt.

    I think you stepped in your hyperbole.

  79. FreeAmerica says:

    Just like a lib… your always right… you just didn’t read the post or links..

    New regulations went into effect on June 15, 2009 which enabled the Department of Veteran Affairs (VA) to relax income restrictions on enrollment for health benefits.

    They have always had income threshold requirements….in 2009 they “relaxed” or raised the requirement.

  80. Come on fellas; a little mild joshing…didn’t mean to get you all worked up.

    I know what an analogy is OL; now do you know the difference between an apt analogy and a sorry excuse for one?

    And xring, my singing classes are not exclusive to pigs. Anyone may enroll.

    Don’t forget to vote!

  81. Leftist, anarchist, commie, socialist, progressive,chickens–t, it’s all the same to me. Progressives were around in the 1800’s but they kept their mouths shut for the most part, they have only become more emboldened in recent years. Sen. Joe McCarthy had it right. They are a bunch of subversive worms. It’s too bad that the media has slandered that great American to the extent that they have.

  82. FreeAmerica says:

    Dang frosty……. feeling a little …eh frosted today?

    Sick em

  83. OMG – Sozo – something we agree on. Not just to vote, but to encourage and help others to vote.

    To all C, D, R, and T’s – name calling and posting your party’s talking points doesn’t contribute to the discussion and doesn’t win over many votes for your party. It does however make you sound like a fool.

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