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HEALTH CARE: Benefit now, pay later

Letter by Robert W. Broshears, Bremerton on Oct. 1, 2010 at 2:36 pm with 70 Comments »
October 1, 2010 2:36 pm

No thanks to the new health care bill passed by our Democratic politicians. Medical insurance monthly rates have now been increased for my family and approximately $100 a month for a family friend living on retirement income.

I suspect the unexpected increase in insurance cost is widespread. This is just one of several ways the insurance industry has been able to challenge the new Obama health care bill. What will be the cost of insuring a family with children under 19 years of age now that new independent policies for this age group will no longer be available from major insurance companies?

Another surprise is the new federal real estate sales tax that will go into effect in 2013. According to U.S. Rep. Doc Hastings and real estate sources, under the new health care bill all real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8 percent sales tax. A $400,000 home will be taxed $15,200. This on top of any other tax costs will be especially devastating for the retiring generation hoping to downsize their homes.

How many of the members of Congress took time to read and understand the impact of these huge bills before casting their votes?

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  1. BlaineCGarver says:

    I believe Congress exempted themselves…..they do not care what it costs you.

  2. I can tell you how many Democrats didn’t read or understand the bill–the same number that voted for it. As Pelos said, they had to pass it to find out what’s in it. Now they us to forget they voted for it. We will never forget.

  3. Carolsez says:

    You should expect to pay a higher premium for an insurance policy that does not have a lifetime cap, that can’t be cancelled when you get sick, and that has to insure you even if you have pre-existing conditions. When the risk factors increase for the insurance company, and when you have new benefits added, you should expect they would charge a higher premiummore. That increase may be partially offset by the fact that insurance companies will be limited to 20% overhead rather than the 30% they have been charging to cover their fat salaries. They will have to refund any amount over the 20%.

  4. OldLefty says:

    The insurance company that was already making millions raised your rates to make more money.

  5. nokoolaide says:

    Mmmm thats not the way I remember Mr. Obama describing it.

  6. the3rdpigshouse says:

    And the “ignorant electorate” that put these socialist democrats in office now says what??

  7. According to the Kaiser Famly Foundation (www.kff.org) health care insurance premiums have increased 100% in the 9 years from 1999 to 2008. During the same nine-year period, workers wages increased 34 percent and general inflation rose 29 percent.

    The $100.00 per month per month increase falls right in line with increases of the past decade, but now includes important additional benefits that Carolsez lists in her comment.

  8. The writer of this letter should double-check his data from reliable sources before making a fool of himself by publishing myths he received from the right-wing rumor-mill. There is no federal sales tax on home sales coming down the pike. Look it up.

  9. I must have watched 500 Rossi ads over the last month. Not one of them mentions Obamacare.
    Why is he not using it as a reason to get elected and overturn the legislation ?
    I just dont get it.

  10. The writer states that: “Another surprise is the new federal real estate sales tax that will go into effect in 2013. According to U.S. Rep. Doc Hastings and real estate sources, under the new health care bill all real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8 percent sales tax. A $400,000 home will be taxed $15,200.

    What the writer is evidently referring to is this: Beginning in 2013, in Section 1411 of the health care legislation, a 3.8% Medicare tax is imposed on net unearned income of high-income taxpayers with adjusted gross incomes above $200.000 for individuals and $250,000 for couples.

    This is a far cry from a 3.8% tax on all real estate sales.

  11. uratroll says:

    None read it and they couldn’t care less of it’s impact.

  12. FreeAmerica says:

    The title should read : Benefit now our children pay later.

    Is our country so selfish that we bow to the liberals jeopardizing the future of our children?

    Any bill of 2000+ plus pages that can’t be read by elected officials and explained to the people should be vetoed.
    Oh but we should pass the bill to see what’s in the bill?

    America needs to stand up and take responsibility for their time here and leave our children better.
    I challenge any liberal who states this bill is better for America to read it and explain all 2000 pages.

  13. hansgruber says:

    Don’t forget Obama’s agenda:
    Governement controlled
    1) Healthcare-Done
    2) Education-in the works
    3) Energy-Still pushing Cap&Trade bill
    The Auto & Banking industries were freebies which he gladly took control of too.

    You might not have elected him but WE, as a country, elected him and congress. If you don’t like what they have done and are going to continue to do, vote on Nov 2nd.

  14. fatuous says:

    “According to U.S. Rep. Doc Hastings and real estate sources, under the new health care bill all real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8 percent sales tax. A $400,000 home will be taxed $15,200.”

    Robert, you either misunderstood Rep. Hastings, or Rep. Hastings doesn’t completely understand the tax code, not surprising.

    So let’s looks at what is going on using your example of a $400,000 dollar home sale.

    Under the tax law, owner occupied home sales have a capital gain exemption of $250,000 for a single individual and $500,000 for a married couple filing jointly, with some exceptions.

    You subtract that exemption amount from the sale price of $400,000.

    So for a single individual the capital gain is $150,000. For a married couple filing jointly, the capital gain is $0.

    So for a married couple filling jointly, there is no 3.8 percent Medicare tax.

    For a single individual, the $150,000 is added to any additional taxable income. If the modified adjusted gross income, which includes the $150,000, is greater then $200,000, the $150,000 is taxed at 3.8 percent or $5,700.

    So worse case a single individual pays $5,700 on the $400,000 home sale.

  15. fatuous says:

    One more thing, the $5,700 new Medicare tax is in addition to the regular capital gains tax. We don’t know what that capital gains tax rate will be yet.

  16. fatuous says:

    Sorry for the misinformation. I wasn’t thinking.

    The new Medicare 3.8 percent tax only applies if you have a capital gain in excess of the exemption, $250,000 or $500,000.

    So you would have to subtract your cost basis, approximately the purchase price of your home, from the sales price to find your capital gain.

    If you are lucky to have a gain in excess of $250,000 for single filers or $500,000 for married filling jointly, then you Medicare tax applies.

    So this tax will only apply to a very, very small number of folks.

  17. Sumner401 says:

    Just once I like to see a republican/teawhiner/conservative tell the truth.
    It gets old listening to their repeated lies, even when they themselves know they are telling lies.
    Gerbils would be proud of the rightwing in America today.

  18. Roncella says:

    I Remember the Great Politician the One and only Nancy Pelosi, as she commented on passing the Bankrupt Obama Care health bill.

    She said ” We have to pass the Obma Bankrupt HealthCare bill to actually find out what it says”.

    Dirty tennis shoes Patty Murray the dimest bulb in the whole senate as voted by senate staffers, and they would know, is an embarassment to the state of washingtion .

    Its time to bring back intelligence and respect by voting for Dino Rossi in November.

    Lets retire the dirty tennis shoes Patty Murray before she does more damage to the economy voting in lock step as Pelosi, Reid, Biden, Obama instruct her to vote.

    November is close, get registered and vote and encourage your friends and family to vote the big tax and spend Democrats like dirty tennis shoes Patty Murray into retirement.

  19. Sumner401 says:

    No truth from the right but lots of lies and talking points,which are the same thing.

  20. the3rdpigshouse says:

    cirrus – you best do some research on the subject berfore making rediculous statements – the 3.8% is a medicare tax that goes into affect 1 Jan. 2013. The tax will apply to all unearned income (home sale, bank interest, social security, rental income, etc) for people who have income over $200K – majority of homeowners will reach the $200K point for the year in which they sold their house – understand now?! Look in “ask.com” for “Obamacare home sale medicare taxes” and you will find plenty of info on the subject!!

    Wake up America and get these redistribution socialist democrats out of the Congress & the White House!!!

  21. nwcolorist says:

    fatuous – your defense of the 3.8% real estate tax perfectly illustrates the problems that Obamacare will create.

    First of all, there’s a whole new volume of regulatiions that have to be learned, a nightmare for the average taxpayer and small business owner (Subtract line 28c from line 42 Form 5609 and enter the result on line 82, and on line 38 of Form 2209Q). But it’s a windfall if you’re a CPA or lawyer. This will bring on more lawsuits to further clarify the new laws.

    And thanks for enlightening us that we only have to pay $5,700 more of our hard earned money when we sell our homes, not $15,200. Obama said this wasn’t going to cost anything, remember?

    Yeah.

    Nothing short of a full repeal of the healthcare bill will be needed this next session.

  22. dewilson says:

    Hansgruber says:
    Don’t forget Obama’s agenda:
    Governement controlled
    1) Healthcare-Done
    2) Education-in the works
    3) Energy-Still pushing Cap&Trade bill
    The Auto & Banking industries were freebies which he gladly took control of too.

    Where do you get these overblown and unfactual talking points? The government is not even close to controlling health care. They put some measly controls on healthcare INSURANCE, but barely enough to address the real problems. We still have the unfunded Medicare Part D, a multi-billion dollar, non-negtiable gift from the taxpayers, courtesy of the Republicans. We still have the “No-Child Left Behind” program and unfunded mandate on states courtesy of the Republlicans. The cap and trade effort to control carbon emissions is going nowhere, thanks to the corporate controlled Republicans. Obama did not take over the auto industry; he bailed them out with loans and they are now repaying the debt to taxpayers. And Bush bailed out the bankers (remember TARP?) and they keep dragging their feet on any reforms (courtesy of Republicans) and still insist on paying millions in bonuses to the very executives whose greed brought Wall Street down.

  23. fatuous says:

    nwcolorist, most folks will pay nothing.

    Heck the median home price in the US is around $183,000.

    If you are affected by the tax, I can understand you are not happy. But again, the new tax affects only a very, very, very small number of folks.

    “This will bring on more lawsuits to further clarify the new laws.”

    I don’t know why you say that. The Congress clearly has the legal right to raise taxes.

    “Nothing short of a full repeal of the healthcare bill will be needed this next session.”

    I don’t think there is enough votes to override a veto.

  24. What part of selling ones house is the business of the Federal Government. That is the question.

    The State tax on home sales is about 1.8%. That is bad enough but at least the State you live in has a bit of a claim to the proceeds for selling your house . . .

    But hey! Only rich people sell houses so screw em’ . . .

    Vote democrat; get more of the same.

  25. Piggy, stop with the half truths!

    It’s a capital gains tax. Folks have a $250,000 to $500,000 exemption on any gain on owner occupied home.

    I know of only one family that may be affected by this tax. They have two rentals and a house with a view on a lake. I would estimate their net worth is in excess of 1.5 million. They are not poor people without health insurance.

    Again, very, very, very few people are affected by this tax.

  26. Classic liberal class warfare institution of Marxist principles. To read fatuous forget the cost basis initially, then re-insert the cost basis, while attempting to describe this as anything but an sneak attack on retirees is disengenous at best-liberal smokescreen in reality.

    Read 3rd pighouses comment, and nwcolorists comments. Older person retires-very small cost basis as they bought their home a long time ago, lived responsibly, stayed put, saved money, built a nest egg-yes that is who is targeted. At least fatuous acknowledges that this is designed as class warfare, much like the idiotic state income tax being proposed.

  27. cirrus, you can tell the truth here, but it doesn’t matter to piggie, roncella and a few others because they have their minds made up. The real estate tax will impact so few that the protestations are laughable. What revenue is generated will go directly to pay for healthcare and nothing else and it is redistribution and it is fair. I think we need to have a 60% tax bracket for the top earners too like Sweden does. Maybe 59% will work better so that nobody can then complain about being in the highest bracket in the world.
    Letting the Bush tax cuts expire only creates a 39% bracket for the top earners. That is shameful and un-American and the tea baggers, who claim to be super patriotic, support extending those cuts to the top earners. There is no evidence whatever that tax cuts without corresponding spending cuts benefit economic expansion. All one needs to do is look at the tax cuts and republican spending during the first GW Bush term to find proof. And that scenario is totally different from the deficit spending going on to counter the recession.
    Repeal the health care legislation? You must be living in La La land.
    It is unfortunate that the author of this letter did not engage due diligence before he sent it in for publication. In freshman English it would get a grade of F.

  28. nwcolorist says:

    fatuous – the actual amount of the tax is secondary to the fact there’s a new tax on the books. After this tax is installed, it can be easily raised.
    What I’m hearing is that people want less government, not more. This goes against that trend.

    And I know that Congress has the right to raise taxes, but people will seek out loopholes to get around new laws. Anything new has to be tested.

    You’re probably right about the veto, but the attempy at repeal needs to be made.

  29. “What part of selling ones house is the business of the Federal Government. That is the question.”

    Capital gains has been a part our income tax since 1913. Selling a house for a profit is a capital gain.

  30. Awesome, we have turned a corner. Now Joe Biden AND Publico publicly state it IS re-distribution and its “fair”. There is a really interesting time in Western Europes history, the 1930s. I suggest you spend a little time reading what ramped up to Hitlers ultimate power grab. There are telling similarities to that time and this administrations policies. Now the progressives are acknowledging its re-distribution but its “fair”……we are on the slippery slope. She is awakening:) America is great and its founding principles will shine through this fog/smokescreen that is the current progressive movement.

  31. nwcolorist says:

    dewilson – I did read those references you gave me some time back. Slate.com and the Domhoff site are sophisticated and well funded, but totally ideologically driven. But I appreciated seeing them.

    I just read one of your posts that said, if I read it right, that what we need is a balance between the two political systems. Both sides have their strengths and flaws. If we can agree on this, the next step becomes: at what point is the ideal mixture of both? That may be a little harder to agree upon.

  32. Nwcolorist, I have to give the Democrats credit. They at least tried to find a way to pay for the expanded health care. The Republicans just put the Medicare drug program on the credit card.

    BTW, the health care package passed is not what I would have liked to see, but the political realities are such that it was best they could get through Congress.

    You and I may not like the result, but the Democrats got something done.

    My choice would be to repeal Medicare, Medicaid, and all the corporate and individual tax deductions for health care. I would replace it with a voucher, the value of which is equal to what Canada spends per person, per age and health condition.

    Anyhow, I see the Republicans as big failures.

    They failed to fix Social Security; they added an expensive prescription drug coverage on a failing Medicare program; they failed to repeal the Bacon Davis Act, medical care is too expensive and does cover everyone; while deregulation give us a huge oil spill and destroyed the financial health of this great country

    Anyone who believes that the Republicans are going to save the day are delusional.

    I’ve had it with both parties!

  33. beerBoy says:

    the truth about the claim about a 3.8% real estate tax

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/realestate.asp

  34. OldLefty says:

    “making rediculous statements”

    This is quickly becoming one of my favorite online comments

    My previous favorite was “your wrong about that”

  35. “Older person retires-very small cost basis as they bought their home a long time ago, lived responsibly, stayed put, saved money, built a nest egg-yes that is who is targeted.”

    Well Tmell, if retirees were actiually targeted for this tax many of them will have a consolation laugh, as fewer of them will be effected by the tax because of the collapse in real-estate values that took place under Bush’s watch. I wonder if they’d prefer to turn the clock back to 2005 real-estate values and pay the tax.

    For all you people who have been convinced that the Republicans will overturn the health care legislation, your vote is merely being lured by an effective propaganda machine. Republican leaders know better.

    First they misrepresent the health care plan with propaganda about death panels, federal sales taxes, government take-overs and socialism, and then follow with claims that they’ll save the country by overturning the legislation they’ve demonized through misrepresentations

    Republican claims to overturn the legislation is a ploy to get them votes. Thats what its all about.

  36. Publico says:

    bB you beat me too it with the snopes reference. The wingnuts here will not buy it no matter how well it is explained for they have their little minds made up and the facts mean nothing.
    And then another wingnut makes the comparison between our improving strong democratic republic and the rise of the Nazis in Germany in the 30’s. They were called the National Socialist German Workers Party and they were a far cry from anything socialist. As a matter of fact, they were closer to the tea baggers in ideology than anything else out there today. Of course Hitler was the consumate liar and he could tell people what they wanted to hear by relying on the fear factor he put into nearly everything he said.
    Now, let’s see…….who is it currently that relies on fear factors for all sorts of things to make their points? Draw your own conclusions, but it isn’t any of the democrats I know.

  37. nwcolorist says:

    So, it looks like this 3.8% tax (how’d they come up with 3.8%) is a tax on real estate capital gains in excess of $250,000. It’s still a tax.

    The point I see here is that these Lefties never quit thinking up ways to nick you whenever possible.They lie in bed at night racking their brains for new ideas. There must be whole teams at liberal think tanks whose job is to sit around 40 hours a week brainstorming on it. It’s death by a thousand cuts.

  38. Its called “redistribution of wealth”.
    Conceived by Marx, first implemented by Trotsky, perfected by Obama.

  39. Where were you guys over the past 30 years when “trickle- down”, resulted in a “gushing-up” of wealth from the middle-class to the wealthy? Where were your complaints of being “nicked” then, or your concerns about the conservative think tanks (lobbyists) whose job it is to sit around 40 hours a week brainstorming about how they were going to enhance the wealthy’s wealth, at the expense of the middle-class.

    Government has seen fit to mandate that I redistribute my wealth upward over the past thirty years, but unlike the Righties here, I’ll complain less when that wealth is redistributed downward, as opposed to upward.

  40. Just once I like to see a democrat/progressive/liberal tell the truth.
    It gets old listening to their repeated lies, even when they themselves know they are telling lies.
    Gerbils would be proud of the leftwing in America today.

  41. fatuous says:
    “They failed to fix Social Security”

    Sorry, but it was not for a lack of trying. You mention any social security reform, and the democrats start foaming at the mouth. They know the system is broke and will default in a short amount of time, but since they crave their power, they will not rock the boat. They do not want to lose the senior vote, so they screw the rest of us.

    The republicans tried to reform the system but were smeared by the democrats and the media (that would be ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, the NY Times and all the other newspapers; a reminder for the lefties here that would immediately think Fox). The left will not acknowledge there is a disaster waiting regarding social security.

    Obamacare is another train wreck in the making, or was it by design? Force new regulation that will eventually bankrupt private insurance. Then ride in on the white horse and provide government run health care. Then we can be like Canada, Great Britain and the rest of Europe. Get ready for the Hospice Chute if you have any major illness.

  42. OldLefty says:

    kenwd says:
    October 2, 2010 at 6:37 pm
    Obamacare is another train wreck in the making”

    Ken – your comment is full of baseless assertions, so I just chose this sentence to break down.

    First of all Obama didn’t write the bill, so the whole naming of the bill smells of demonization via “the black guy in the White House” thinking.

    Next, Ken – tell us about the “trainwreck” of these points:

    Insurers can’t:
    Deny coverage to kids with pre-existing conditions
    Put lifetime limits on benefits
    Cancel your policy without proving fraud
    Deny your claim without a chance for appeal

    Which one do you want to happen to you or your family?

    You want your child to die because you couldn’t afford healthcare due to insurance cancellation?

    You want to die because your “lifetime benefits” expired while they were treating your cancer?

    Everytime you use the word “Obamacare” give the president the credit for possibly saving your life or the life of one of your family.

    Demonize that.

  43. OldLefty says:

    “kenwd says:
    October 2, 2010 at 6:11 pm
    Just once I like to see a democrat/progressive/liberal tell the truth.
    It gets old listening to their repeated lies, even when they themselves know they are telling lies.
    Gerbils would be proud of the leftwing in America today. ”

    Pure garbage, Ken. Don’t you have the ability to address an issue without baseless assertions and pubescent phrases?

    Come on, Ken. I’ve given you an opportunity to tell us how willing you are to die, or watch a family member die, without the new legislation. Explain to us how you are going to handle that one.

  44. OldLefty says:

    Oh…and Ken….tell us when General Electric became such a Democratic Company.

  45. OldLefty says:

    “The left will not acknowledge there is a disaster waiting regarding social security.”

    How long has this been a GOP talking point?

    Social Security operates like an insurance group. If it’s such a “disaster in waiting” why is the insurance industry making oodles of money?

  46. “OldLefty says:
    OCTOBER 2, 2010 AT 7:11 PM
    “kenwd says:
    October 2, 2010 at 6:11 pm
    Just once I like to see a democrat/progressive/liberal tell the truth.
    It gets old listening to their repeated lies, even when they themselves know they are telling lies.
    Gerbils would be proud of the leftwing in America today. ”

    Pure garbage, Ken. Don’t you have the ability to address an issue without baseless assertions and pubescent phrases?”

    You fell for this hook line and sinker. This was modified from your in kind buddy Sumner. Why did you not slam the pubescent phrases when Sumner posted it regarding Republicans?

  47. truthbusterguy says:

    Remember this on Nov. 2. Vote out Murry and Dicks. The top two Obama hand puppets that brough you this crap. This bill must be over turned.

  48. kenwd: Hook, line, and sinker? Seems we should be able to expect honest thoughts from one another as opposed to “pubescent” gotcha games.

    And your wrong about SSI being a disaster and defaulting in a short period of time. It can easily be fixed with a little tweaking. Where would most of the SSI recipients have been after the stock market collapse that happened under the Bush watch if the Republicans had their way and privatized it. Medicare, and also the Medicare prescription drug bill which the Republicans passed in 2003 is the real disaster waiting to happen.., A disaster for America, but a bonanza for the drug companies, and all to lure in a few senior votes.

  49. There is a solution to escalating health insurance premiums and medicare and medicaid costs, just let the sick and elderly die! Really simple! Oh, you don’t like that?? I don’t know what all you complainers expected when Congress passed a law without really controlling premiums and costs. Of course, the Republicans liked it because it allows companies to raise premiums to cover new risks. I really would like it if Congress had included in the law a proviso that hospitals would be required to show what portion of your bill is to cover the costs of caring for the uninsured. That’s kind of like my auto insurance policy which shows the costs of providing protection for collisions with uninsured motorists. I’m assuming all you complainers have adequate health insurance provided by a union, an employer, the government or you do not expect to get sick or injured. Or, if you do get sick or injured, you’ll stiff the rest of us with an unpaid bill.

  50. Now, in a more serious manner, if you are an uninsured veteran or a veteran with lousy health insurance, you need to enroll with the Department of Veterans Affairs. Go to Veteran Affairs website and research which group you potentially fall within. Research the amount of co payments for medication, out patient care and in patient care you may have to pay based on your family income. All you need to enroll is a copy of your DD 214 and a little time. You will be surprised at the relatively low co payment, if and when you may need care. The co payment is a lot cheaper than being stuck with a big hospital bill from a local hospital. It is somewhat reassuring to carry that VA medical card in your wallet, if and when, you may need it. Your relatives will do you a favor by dropping you off at a veterans hospital than the ‘poor house.’

  51. nwcolorist says:

    Old Lefty – there’s a problem here. You state that under the new Healthcare plan, the following provisions are made:

    “Insurers can’t:
    Deny coverage to kids with pre-existing conditions
    Put lifetime limits on benefits
    Cancel your policy without proving fraud
    Deny your claim without a chance for appeal.”

    True enough. Then you ask, “Which one do you want to happen to you or your family?” Unfortunately, it is a fact that the coverages you mention will NOT insure you or your family against the situations you outline. There is no logical connection here..

    Many in this country wrongly believe that decreeing a solution legislatively will automatically cause it to happen. This is not based on how the real world works. There are real economic laws that govern the success and failure of busnesses, If these laws are followed, businesses will thrive. lf those laws are ignored, companies will sicken and die.

    Businesses that are healthy and strong are able to pay taxes. Sick and dying businesses don’t. So your argument is not valid..

  52. Sumner401 says:

    Unfortunately, it is a fact that the coverages you mention will NOT insure you or your family against the situations you outline. There is no logical connection here..

    The disconnect seems to be with you color, not oldlefty.
    Did you even read that before you posted it?

  53. Sumner401 says:

    Where do you get these overblown and unfactual talking points?

    Where do you think?
    The right employs thousands of liars to get this crap out and once it’s out the minions and brain dead swallow it whole and repeat it as gospel.

  54. Sumner401 says:

    Its called “redistribution of wealth”.
    Conceived by Marx, first implemented by Trotsky, perfected and named by reagan, ‘trickle down economics’.

  55. Sumner401 says:

    The republicans tried to reform the system

    No, they tried to privatize SS and thank god they were stopped, not by the Democrat but by the American people because they KNEW the republicans were screwing the economy.
    If they been successful just think of the damage it would have done to people….and they are running on it this election!
    What is wrong with your party?

  56. please educate yourself cirrus, then re-read my comments. History provides a crystal clear timeline of this happened, this happened, this happened, and as a result this happened……(unless you guys get your way and we start publishing revisionist history in our schoolbooks.)

    When I ask you to consider the 1930s and Hitlers rise to power, I am not directly equating Obama to Hitler. But, I am asking that you realistically consider the similarities. You are either unable or unwilling. I’m a rightwing nut, right??? yep, straight out of Adolphs playbook. Demonize your idealogical opponents. Its not working, we have too strong a free country here for socialism to take over. bB links a snopes that confirms what this letter writer says, and somehow thinks it covers his position? Others reference partisan websites that claim to be non-partisan(factcheck.org is a joke-read it-should be part of the DNC)

  57. This is off topic, and not even political ;-)

    I have seen some postings here with Italic fonts. How do you change the font to Italic? Whenever I try it, it just reverts back to a normal font. Is the TNT site not Mac friendly?

    Thanks for any info.

    Now continue on with the right/left bashing :-)

  58. Sumner401 says:

    kenwd,
    comment you want in italic in between
    Change the I to a B you get bold
    U for underline

  59. Sumner401 says:

    OK, that didn’t work out :)
    You surround the comment with at the beginning and at the end, minus the comma. (had to put them in to get it too show up…I hope)
    Strike the U for underline, that didn’t work out either.

  60. Sumner401 says:

    Arg!
    One of these at the end.
    one of these
    If this doesn’t work you’re on your own.

  61. Sumner401 says:

    Your on your own.

  62. Well, thanks for trying.

    And you missed Talk Like a Pirate day by a few weeks…. ;-)

  63. Testing

  64. Tmell says: “please educate yourself cirrus, then re-read my comments.”

    I re-read your comments and they haven’t changed since my first reading. You made the claim that, “bB links a snopes that confirms what this letter writer says,” If you read what Snopes and the letter writer say as being the same, then you are the one who needs to educate yourself. You do the re-reading.

    And you speak of the left demonizing their ideological opponents? Your living in a glass house.

  65. One more time. If not italic, I give up for now

  66. beerBoy says:

    I am not directly equating Obama to Hitler.

    Well if it isn’t direct then it isn’t overblown hyperbole……right?

  67. Publico says:

    One observation: forgive me if I say that far too many on the right here fail to read for comprehension. Why is it that the arguments from the left are based on facts, for the most part, and the arguments I see from the right are values based which makes them subject to blind acceptance?

  68. Hay!
    I saw a comment from Publico printed in Sunday’s paper (10-3-10). Good for you.
    You must be a TNT writer, or they love your style. ;-)

  69. Publico, about that reading comprehension. Notice how 3ph reacted to my comment in an earlier post:
    My comment was: “Beginning in 2013, in Section 1411 of the health care legislation, a 3.8% Medicare tax is imposed on net unearned income of high-income taxpayers with adjusted gross incomes above $200.000 for individuals and $250,000 for couples.”

    And 3ph answered with this:
    “cirrus – you best do some research on the subject berfore making rediculous statements – the 3.8% is a medicare tax that goes into affect 1 Jan. 2013. The tax will apply to all unearned income (home sale, bank interest, social security, rental income, etc) for people who have income over $200K”
    Notice any “rediculous” similiarities? Do you think I should take him to the mat for plagiarism?

  70. RightWinger says:

    OldLefty,

    Did you fall off your rocker again?

    All of your assertions are baseless. Who cares about GE. We are talking about healthcare.

    And if I am not mistaken, Obama is a part of hte Democratic Party and he is the one who signed it into law, so yeah, he pretty much owns it. That is why it is called Obamacare.

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