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ELECTION: Muri’s a better fit for veterans, district

Letter by Michael J. Brown, DuPont on Sep. 30, 2010 at 1:12 pm with 48 Comments »
September 30, 2010 1:28 pm

Re: “Veteran supports Adam Smith” (letter, 9-30).

Like the writer, I am a Vietnam veteran. Much of my two years was in ground or air combat. An Army Cobra pilot, I was shot down by a North Vietnamese SA-7 missile.

I heard Congressman Adam Smith at the Puyallup candidates’ forum speaking passionately of his support for veterans. His words rang hollow.

Smith, like many without military service, does not fully understand veterans. His view of veteran identity appears framed by a perception of them as an entitlement class.

I am grateful for the earned entitlements which Smith, like most politicians, has supported. Veterans, however, are motivated by more than entitlements. Uniting most of us is our pride in our service. Those who have not served can appreciate that experience only vicariously.

I am not a victim of my service to my country; I am proud of my service and cherish the fundamental values that my country represents. I see many of those values being eroded by our current administration. Smith’s support of this administration has enabled that erosion. As a veteran, I am very concerned by this.

Dick Muri is a fellow veteran who understands and shares veterans’ concerns. The 9th District is home to one of the largest active-duty and retired military communities in the country. It’s time we were represented by someone who thinks and acts like one of us.

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  1. OldLefty says:

    If military service is a prerequisite to Congressional service, consider this partical list of those that didn’t serve:

    Representative Patrick McHenry, R-NC
    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-KY
    Senate Assistant Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-MI Senate Republican Conference Chairman Jon Kyl, R-AZ
    Senate Republican Conference Vice Chair John Cornyn, R-TX
    National Republican Senatorial Committee Chair John Ensign, R-NV
    House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-OH.
    House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-MO
    House Republican Conference Chair Adam Putnam, R-FL.
    Republican Congressional Committee Chair Tom Cole, R-OK
    Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani – did not serve.
    Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney
    Former Senator Fred Thompson

    I’m wondering if our letter writer can quote Adam Smith verbatim on is accusation of Smith’ alleged perception of veterans being “an entitlement”

  2. OldLefty says:

    Maybe the letter writer can dispute some of these issues with facts, as opposed to hyperbolic phrases

    http://adamsmith.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=201413

  3. aislander says:

    Brown never averred that military service be a prerequisite for political office, but is looking at the question through the prism of his own experience. In any case, he didn’t raise the issue, but is responding to the letter by Chappell…

  4. lgcnelson84 says:

    Amen Mr. Brown! I also agree with aislander, Mr. Brown didn’t say that prior military experience is a prerequisite, however, because this particular district has such a high number of military and veterans in it, we’d would be best represented by someone with military experience.

    Not to mention that Dick Muri goes out of his way to be available to all 9th district constituents. I was at the puyallup forum and was amused at the fact that, when not addressing the crowd, Dick was surrounded by people, while Adam Smith sat alone in a corner. As soon as the forum was over, Adam Smith left, while Dick stuff around meeting everyone and answering questions.

    Adam Smith doesn’t really care about the people of the 9th district. Dick Muri on the other hand listens to people, has experience in the local community, and gets the job done.

  5. Sumner401 says:

    I did my time in the service and I can not for the life of me understand why anyone things serving in the military would make anyone better or worse at serving in public office.
    I also do not understand why some people think that being a vet lends weight or credibility to your opinion, it doesn’t.
    How many times do you read, I’m a veteran and I think…… well good for you but what does being a vet have to do with anything?

    Both parties do what they can for the vets, the Democrats are far better at taking care of them than the republicans and history shows it.
    End of story.

  6. lgcnelson84 says:

    “How many times do you read, I’m a veteran and I think…… well good for you but what does being a vet have to do with anything?”

    For most, being a veteran means you were a part of history, that you put duty to the country above personal wants, that respect has been earned, not assumed.

    I’ve never heard of anyone being so close-minded and ignorant about a group that they themselves claim to be a part of.

  7. aislander says:

    If military service means nothing, Sum, I’ll just bet you had no opinion on the quantity and quality of the service of George W. Bush…

  8. OldLefty says:

    “Adam Smith doesn’t really care about the people of the 9th district.”

    Another baseless assertion. Please cite a quote from Adam Smith where he says “I don’t really care about the people of the 9th District”

    “Smith, like many without military service, does not fully understand veterans. His view of veteran identity appears framed by a perception of them as an entitlement class.”

    First of all, I can’t find anyone that can cite a quote by Smith about “entitlements”.

    Now to say he “does not fully understand vets” because of his lack of military service, would say that all of the Congressional Representatives I listed above are as incapable of understanding.

    You can add Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh to that list.

  9. OldLefty says:

    I know a man that didn’t serve in the military, but served in the Peace Corps and then proceeded to give the next 35 years of his life to challenged kids in his community.

    Of course, he doesn’t “get it” like someone that did a hitch in the Army.

  10. OldLefty says:

    “For most, being a veteran means you were a part of history”

    Well, John Kerry was a part of history – a decorated veteran. Yet, his opposition to the war, after his first hand experience, set him up to be “swiftboated”.

    Max Cleland lost limbs in Nam, yet his service was questioned in a political race. How much proof do you need?

    It’s interesting how certain veterans don’t count.

  11. lgcnelson84 says:

    Old – Have you ever heard the phrase “actions speak louder than words”?

    Two examples – Adam smith voted for the Healthcare Bill after the vast majority of 9th district constituents pleaded with him not to.
    He voted for a $30 billion engine that the military didn’t want or need, and was told as much by many at JBLM.

    You’re going to want more, but I’ll leave it at this for now.

    I don’t need to hear Adam Smith say “I don’t care about the 9th district”, I can see it in his voting record.

  12. OldLefty says:

    “Two examples – Adam smith voted for the Healthcare Bill after the vast majority of 9th district constituents pleaded with him not to.
    He voted for a $30 billion engine that the military didn’t want or need, and was told as much by many at JBLM.”

    Where can you document this stuff? “vast majority of 9th District”?????

    You going to tell me that the “vast majority” of the 9th District approve of insurance companies not having to cover a kid with a genetic disorder or calling policy limits on a cancer patient that is trying to live?

    Maybe the uneducated didn’t want “Obamacare” and that’s as far as their thinking went.

    As to the engine, again, show me where the military said “NO!!!!”

  13. OldLefty says:

    lgc – maybe you can tell me the pulse of the 9th on these issues, since I live in the 3rd, by just a few miles:

    After September 23, 2010, insurer’s can’t:

    Deny coverage to kids with pre-existing conditions
    Put lifetime limits on benefits
    Cancel your policy without proving fraud
    Deny your claim without a chance for appeal

    And consumers can:

    Receive cost-free preventive services
    Keep young adults on a parent’s plan until age 26
    Choose a primary care doctor, ob/gyn and pediatrician
    Use the nearest emergency room without penalty

  14. Sumner401 says:

    I’ve never heard of anyone being so close-minded and ignorant about a group that they themselves claim to be a part of.

    And I’ve never heard of anyone that is so blind and ignorant to the reality of the world around them.

  15. Sumner401 says:

    If military service means nothing, Sum, I’ll just bet you had no opinion on the quantity and quality of the service of George W. Bush…

    Can you point out to me where I said no one should have an opinion about quantity or quality of anyone’s military service?
    Thanks.

  16. Sumner401 says:

    Voting for the health care bill is a good thing, a very good thing.

  17. madmike272 says:

    sumner, I have a hard time believing you served anything expect yourself.

  18. OldLefty says:

    “madmike272 says:
    September 30, 2010 at 6:11 pm
    sumner, I have a hard time believing you served anything expect yourself.”

    I think the psycologists call that “deflection”

  19. OldLefty says:

    I like this topic. While I appreciate the sevice done by folks in the military or former military people, is it the ONLY way to serve your country?

    How about volunteering with kids or challenged adults?

    How about teachers?

    How about volunteering at your church, synagogue or mosque?

    Police officers, firefighters, medics, nurses, doctors?

    My point? Military veterans don’t have a market cornered on service to country and when I see vets that try to make their service superior to the millions of others that offer themselves up, I’m left to wondering what is missing in their lives.

  20. bobneilson says:

    Dick Muri is clearly the best choice of the two candidates to represent veterans because he is not only a veteran but a career officer with over twenty years of service. Adam Smith is the best of the two candidates to represent the King County Prosecuting Attorney’s office because that is his experience. The opportunity to have a retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel acting on behalf of veteran’s over a non-veteran is very obvious and straight forward. Elect LTC (R) Dick Muri on November 2. Thank you for this forum.

  21. the3rdpigshouse says:

    OldLefty – The point is that verterans understand the sacrifices the people in the military have made and the pride they have in protecting the freedoms you take for granted! Your generosity in helping others in your community is commendable however, it has little to do with serving in the defense of your country! There is a difference you may not understand or appreciate!

  22. the3rdpigshouse says:

    And for those who think the socialist democrats aren’t about to increase your taxes for “OH-Bummercare” read the following!!

    “I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes,”
    President Obama, September 12, 2008

    Beginning January 1, 2013, ObamaCare imposes a 3.8% Medicare tax on unearned income, including the sale of single family homes, townhouses, co-ops, condominiums, and even rental income.

    In February 2010, 5.02 million homes were sold, according to the National Association of Realtors. On any given day, the sale of a house, townhome, condominium, co-op, or income from a rental property can push middle-income families over the $250,000 threshold and slam them with a new tax they can’t afford.

    This new ObamaCare tax is the first time the government will apply a 3.8 percent tax on unearned income. This new tax on home sales and unearned income and other Medicare taxes raise taxes more than $210 billion to pay for ObamaCare. The National Association of Realtors called this new Medicare tax on unearned income “destructive” and “ill-advised” and warned it would hurt job creation

  23. aislander says:

    OldLefty writes: “Maybe the uneducated didn’t want “Obamacare” and that’s as far as their thinking went.”

    And there it is: the smug arrogance of the left. Want a paragon of self-elevated elitism? Look no further; OldLefty is its exemplar…

  24. Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb oops I mean OLD LEFTY AND SUMNER this is why veterans think and act the way we do…

    Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Wednesday that most Americans have grown too detached from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and see military service as “something for other people to do.”

    Because fewer Americans see military service as their duty, troops today face repeated combat tours and long separations from family. The 2.4 million people serving in the armed forces today represent less than 1 percent of the country’s total population.

    “That is our sacred obligation,” Gates told the audience of compensating troops. “But given the enormous fiscal pressures facing the country,” the nation must devise “an equitable and sustainable system of military pay and benefits that reflects the realities of this century.”

    “Whatever their fond sentiments for men and women in uniform, for most Americans the war remains an abstraction — a distant and unpleasant series of news items that does not affect them personally,” Gates said.

    Even after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, for most Americans “service in the military — no matter how laudable — has become something for other people to do,” he added.

  25. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are considered the first large-scale, protracted conflicts since the Revolutionary War fought entirely with volunteers. Most military officials agree that this isn’t a bad thing. Today’s U.S. military forces are considered more professional and better educated than their predecessors.

    More enlisted troops hold a high school diploma, or its equivalent, than their civilian peers. Two-thirds of new recruits come from neighborhoods that are at or above the median household income.

    But the military isn’t representative of the country as a whole. Recruits are most likely to serve only if they grow up around others who do so. The military also draws heavily from rural areas, particularly in the South and the mountain West.

  26. The trend is reinforced by the location of military bases, which tend to be in rural areas and the South where land is cheapest, rather than close to the big cities and the Northeast and West.

    Today, most soldiers who are not deployed are stationed in Texas, Washington, Georgia, Kentucky and North Carolina. Many military facilities in the Northeast and along the West coast, meanwhile, have been shut down for environmental and budgetary reasons.

    Whereas Alabama hosts 10 ROTC programs, the city of Los Angeles — with twice the population — hosts only four.

    “There is a risk over time of developing a cadre of military leaders that politically, culturally and geographically have less and less in common with the people they have sworn to defend,” Gates said.

    The premise underlying an all-volunteer force also has changed. Initiated in 1973, the concept was that such a force would fight in short, conventional conflicts like the 1991 Gulf War, or defend the U.S. and its allies against Soviet aggression.

  27. OldLefty says:

    Qwert –

    Ever heard the phrase “terminally unique”?

  28. shs

  29. Old Lefty have you heard of the term “Bravo Foxtrot”

  30. OldLefty says:

    “aislander says:
    September 30, 2010 at 8:38 pm
    OldLefty writes: “Maybe the uneducated didn’t want “Obamacare” and that’s as far as their thinking went.”

    And there it is: the smug arrogance of the left. Want a paragon of self-elevated elitism? Look no further; OldLefty is its exemplar… ”

    Thanks for illustrating my point. All someone has to do is put the word “Obama” in a phrase and it becomes a bad thing to the low information voter.

    Example – “Obamacare” was written and sponsored by a Congressional representative and all Obama did was carry water for the cause.

    Again, I ask the key question – which one of you Conservatives would want your child to die because you couldn’t afford healthcare after your insurance company told you to go jump in a lake?

    By the way – elitism isn’t a negative. If you are the elite, you are the best of the best. Just remember, you said it, I didn’t.

  31. aislander says:

    The word “Obama” was not material to my comment: the word “uneducated” was. I didn’t call you “elite,” I said you are a paragon of self-elevated elitism, quite a different thing. The former has the definition you cite; the latter is only self-delusion…

  32. aislander says:

    Sumner401 writes: “Can you point out to me where I said no one should have an opinion about quantity or quality of anyone’s military service?”

    You’re not much for drawing inferences, are you?

  33. Sumner401 says:

    I think the psycologists call that “deflection”

    I think it would be more projection than deflection.

  34. Sumner401 says:

    You’re not much for drawing inferences, are you?

    And you are even less at backing up your insults.
    You made an inference about me, back it up.

  35. Publico says:

    piggie has it wrong again folks. All he did was copy and paste a rumor that has been floating around the internet for months and which has been proven false.
    “The Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, which President Obama signed into law March 30, is comprehensive and complex. Section 1402, “Unearned Income Medicare Contribution,” imposes a 3.8 percent tax on profits from the sale of real estate — residential or investment.
    But the levy is aimed at high-income taxpayers, leaving most people untouched. And it will not take effect until Jan. 1, 2013.
    Let’s look at the facts of this new law.
    First, it is not a sales tax, nor does it impose any transfer or recordation tax. It is called a Medicare tax because the money received will be allocated to the Medicare Trust Fund, which is part of the Social Security system.
    Next, if your adjusted gross income is less than $200,000, you are home free.”

  36. Service in the military by itself is meaningless for judging a person’s character or abilities. The letter writer tries to put more value on military service than is called for and he does that for a reason that is purely political.
    Adam Smith is smarter and more experienced in important ways than Mr. Muri will ever be. There also is good reason to be careful with electing former military folks to public office if their demeanor carries too much of the warrior attitude. Senator John McCain is a fair example of someone who knows what is right, but cannot get past the force and militancy mentality he exhibits from time to time.

  37. exexpat93 says:

    Adam Smith ignores Veterans and Military members that asked him questions for years and yet now claims he is “Pro Veteran”. Funny, a few years ago his staff would rather spit in a Vets face than do anything for them. If you were a Military member – just, please don’t contact our office. He is nothing but a rat trying to protect his seat at the table while sending the rest of us to the poor house. Adam Smith needs to go! Vote Dick Muri!

  38. aislander says:

    Sumner: Are you trying to make me as confused as you seem to be? What inference did I “make?” I simply speculated that there may have been some disconnect between your assertion that military service was not material to someone’s fitness or ability to hold public office, and your allegiance to that sentiment with respect to the forty-third president of the United States. You seemed unable to draw the inference from that implication. Thus, my comment…

  39. aislander says:

    Oh, and Sumner: What insult? I’ve made some, but not in the comments relating to W’s military service and your attitude toward it…

  40. Publico you obviously do not know what you are talking about. 34 out of 43 Presidents have served our country in the Armed Forces.

    George Washington – General of the Armies Revolutionary War
    Thomas Jefferson – Col. Virginia Army National Guard
    James Madison – Col. Virginia Army National Guard
    James Monroe – Major Continental Army
    Andrew Jackson – General US ARMY/North Carolina National Guard
    William Henry Harrison – Major General US ARMY
    John Tyler – Captain US ARMY
    James Polk – Col. Tennesee National Guard
    Zach Taylor – Major General US ARMY
    Millard Fillmore – Major NY National Guard
    Franklin Pierce – Brigadier General US ARMY
    James Buchanon – Private US ARMY
    Abe Lincoln – Captain Illinois National Guard
    Andrew Johnson – Brigadier General US ARMY
    Ulysses S Grant – General of the Army US ARMY
    Rutherford B Hayes – Major General US ARMY
    James Garfield – Major General US ARMY
    Chester Arthur – Brigadier General NY National Guard
    Benjamin Harrison – Brigadier General US ARMY
    William McKinley – Major US ARMY
    Teddy Roosevelt – Col. US ARMY
    Harry Truman – Col. US ARMY
    Dwight D Eisenhower – General of the Army US ARMY
    JFK – Lt. US NAVY
    Lynden B Johnson – Commander US NAVY Reserve
    Richard Nixon – Commander US NAVY
    Gerald Ford – Lt. Commander US NAVY
    Jimmy Carter – Lt. US NAVY
    Ronald Reagan – Captain US Air Corp/US Army Reserves
    George HW Bush – Lt. US NAVY
    GWB – 1st Lt. Texas Air Guard

    I can tell by your current and past remarks on certain topics that you are indeed part of the problem in this country. I am trying to be civil here so I am going to stop, I am going to take the higher road and let spew your nonsense. Because I know BY SERVING our country you will never know what it is like to sacrafice. I know you do not have the intestinal fortitude, the dedication, the discipline, the selfless service to think or act outside of your own means. You are the type of person that thinks “what’s in it for me?” And it is a sad day in America when people like you go around spewing nonsense and not knowing who they are offending. Your comments sir, are offensive to myself, to the letter writer and to all veterans and service members that call Western Washington home.

  41. My problem with Dick Muri is that he represents a party that disregards and disrespects the Constitution, and that holds the military in complete and utter contempt.

  42. donjames says:

    “My problem with Dick Muri is that he represents a party that disregards and disrespects the Constitution, and that holds the military in complete and utter contempt.”

    Uhmm, xring, care to explain the… logic behind that statement. I’m thinking you meant to ascribe it to smith – the democrat.

  43. muckibr says:

    Okay,first let me qualify myself to contribute to this discussion by stating: I live in the 9th District, am a 7 yr Viet Nam Era Vet, but I’m a civilian now. (BTW, back in the day Viet Nam was 2 words.)

    From what I know Dick Muri and Adam Smith are both pretty good guys. I think they both care about the folks here in the Fighting Ninth! Maybe Muri demonstrated better social skills at the fair than Smith, but maybe Adam was having a bad day, and maybe there were just more Republicans at the event than Democrats. Who knows? I see Adam on TV from time to time, and he comes off as a friendly guy too.

    Here’s the problem with party politics today. It divides us without giving the individual candidates a fair chance. If you’re a party Democrat, you automatically hate the Republican candidate, and vice versa. That’s wrong. You ought to vote for the candidate, not the party!

    Republicans should really be pushing that idea this year more than in previous years. Because of the TEA Party influence, this year’s batch of Republican candidates includes the biggest bunch of nutbags I ever recall seeing, ever! Plus, the Republicans were already dealing with the “No! No! No’s!” back in congress anyway.

    So, given that I think Dick Muri is probably just as good a guy as Adam Smith, as individuals go, and even though he’s a vet like me, I have to say I’ll probably vote for Adam simply because if we elect Dick instead then he’ll have to deal with the wackos from the TEA Party, and who needs that? At least Adam can ignore those kooks and get some work done.

  44. To donjames:

    My comment refers to the christo-fascist neo-cons and tea-baggers of the GOP.

  45. aislander says:

    Quite the work of fiction, muckibr…

  46. aislander says:

    …and quite the reasonable explanation, huh, dj. It doesn’t take much to get to the hate…

  47. aislander – people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

  48. headedsouth says:

    Dick is just looking for a job since he is almost termed out on the Pierce County Council and would give up a six figure income and a job that allows him to campaign on the taxpayers dime. I am tired of the insults to Congressman Smith and the false comments. I wish the Dick lovers would come up with a real reason as why not to support Congressman Smith.

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