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RELIGION: Our revolution violated Christian principles

Letter by Manfred W. Vogel, Spanaway on Sep. 30, 2010 at 1:52 pm with 15 Comments »
September 30, 2010 2:03 pm

Re: “U.S. based on Christian principles” (letter, 9-30).

The writer fails to provide any real proof other than his religious convictions to make his point.

The document that defines Christianity is the New Testament, which represents the essence of Christ’s teachings as recorded by the Apostles. According to Apostle Paul (Romans), government is empowered by God whose powers go directly to the king. These powers are then passed down the social order. Rebellion against the king or emperor represents a direct violation against God – a deathly sin.

Since the American Revolution was a rebellion against King George and, thus, a violation against God, it could obviously not have been based on Christian principles. Furthermore, the U.S. Constitution defines a government where the power comes from the people, not from a Christian God.

The most notable personalities who drew up the Declaration of Independence were Deists and Masons who wisely chose to separate religion from politics. Had they been Christians there could have never been an American Revolution.

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  1. Perhaps you should tell that to the Apostles Paul and Peter, who were executed by the Roman government for refusing to pay due obeisance to Caesar. Then there were those folks that got feed to the Lions in the Roman Coliseum for similar crimes. Then there was that fellow Dietrich Bonhoeffer who was executed by the Nazis for opposing Nazi control of the Lutheran chuch in Germany. Yes, in general, God supports civil government, but not at any cost. Sometimes he gets fed up and kicks some butt.

  2. Oh, I almost forgot, there was that fellow Jesus who also ran afoul of the Local Jewish regime as well as the Roman government. Didn’t turn out very well for him, but that’s another story…

  3. OldLefty says:

    Manfred:

    Velmak did a turn about on you and basically said that King George wasn’t a Christian (comparing him to Roman leaders).

    It is also fascinating how “God kicks butt”, except when it comes to China and a few other countries.

  4. nwcolorist says:

    The writer is saying that our country isn’t Christian because the founders sinned by rebelling against their justly appointed authorities.

    Yes, they did sin, but that doesn’t mean the colonies were not a Christian nation.

    In the Old Testament, Moses had a terrible temper, and killed a man. Yet he is known today as the leader who united the Jews as a nation. King David sinned terribly, but God made his name forever renown. The fact is that all people (and nations), religious or not, sin.

    It’s important to understand that both Moses and David paid a heavy price for their disobediance. After spending forty years in the desert, God would not allow Moses to enter the promised land. He died on the east side of the Jordan. David’s own son Absalom rebelled against him and was killed when the rebellion was put down. I believe that we are paying a price for our bloody rebellion against Britain.

    Romans 3:23 says, “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”.

  5. Don’t fret, Lefty. He will deal with China in his time, as He will with all nations that forget him. The Persians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Nazi’s and Soviets are all gone. Sad to say, the great U S of A is not immune to His judgement either.

  6. bobcat1a says:

    Colorist…your God punishes people for what other people did 200 years before? Sounds like the kind of chap who’d inspire revulsion, not reverence.

  7. Novelist3 says:

    “The most notable personalities who drew up the Declaration of Independence were Deists and Masons”

    Oh, it’s one of those letter writers. Waste of time to even open the darn thing up on my computer.

  8. comment_tayter says:

    Religious fanatics here, religious fanatics there, religious fanatics everywhere….

    I have little hope for the future when I see religious fanatacism carried to its logical extreme. Whether it is suicide bombers or burnings at the stake in the name of God, it is all insanity. And I mean that literally.

    You religious zealots are afflicted with a mild form of insanity in your religious ecstacy and certainty, to the point that you spill out your beliefs and attempt to force them down everyone else’s throats.

    Get this loud and clear: the majority of people don’t buy into your brand of fundamentalist evangelical Christianity anymore than they buy into Islam or Buddhism or Sikhism. Give it a rest.

    Why do I get the feeling that this comment has just been a complete waste of time? (Sigh)

  9. beerBoy says:

    Yet you wasted your time to write a response on your computer Novelist…..

  10. nwcolorist says:

    Bobcat – if a parent tells his child not to touch the hot stove, but he does anyway, and get burned, whose fault is it?

    Comment tayter – I am trying to answer the writer’s points using citations and facts, and all you can do is call me a ‘religious zealot”. Certainly you can do better than that.

  11. CrazyJim says:

    Can someone give me an example of a Christian principle? No such thing. Beliefs yes………….but principles no.

  12. comment_tayter says:

    NWColorist, I don’t like religious dogma, tenets, prohibitions, or theology of any kind brought into the debate having to do with public life, period.

    If your particular religious tradition alloes you to be a reasonable, law-abiding, contributory person, that is just grand. And i don’t care if that tradition is Christian, Buddhist, atheist, or Islam. It doesn’t and shouldn’t matter.

    Religious fanaticism, including fundamentalist Christians advancing their agenda, is detrimental to the whole, as far as I can see.

  13. “Had they been Christians there could have never been an American Revolution.”

    But surely if they had been muslim there would have still been an American revolution, right? Just the Christian thing is bad, right? See? I get libs.

    With such an amazing ability to tell the future, I am surprised you did not put all your money in Starbucks and Microsoft back in the 1980s. I guess it’s spotty at best then.

  14. CrazyLibertarian says:

    I am confused by this letter. (And this is coming from a agnostic libertarian, not a religious zealot…)

    Read the rest of the Bible. Read the whole book before you force an entire religion into one sentence you cherry picked from the middle.

    Yes, Jesus and Christianity did preach, “Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s…”. But, if you flip back a few pages in the same book, you will find entire sections – entire chapters – entire epics written about how the same people were led by God to leave there country, violently, go wandering through the desert for fourty years punishing (read – killing) everyone who did not follow their beliefs, and eventually take over a completely different country, to form a government in that country based on their own religious beliefs.

    Come on man – dont speak if you dont have something real to say. If you dont talk, people dont know how smart you are. When you open your mouth, you take away any doubt.

  15. bobcat1a says:

    Colorist—perhaps you can explain what a child touching a hot stove has to do with my comment. I commented on punishment directed at people who were yet to be born when the sin occurred. I don’t believe anyone in America today was a participant in the American Revolution.

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