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TEA PARTY: Now, for some facts

Letter by Billie Tilstra, Graham on Sep. 16, 2010 at 2:06 pm with 52 Comments »
September 16, 2010 2:19 pm

Wow! What a diatribe in the letter (9/15) regarding the tea party! Pork bellies, beer guts, fat jowls? In high school, our debate teacher told us “if you can’t argue with the facts, call them names.” Methinks our writer has resorted to that level.

The folks who attend the tea party rallies are ordinary citizens, speaking in a unanimous voice to say “Enough spending! Enough government take over! Enough loss of jobs, homes and retirement funds.” Their expenses are not paid by “billionaires.” They are struggling to maintain their homes, medical expenses etc, .The tea party’s success in the recent primaries speaks for itself.

And before you blame Bush, think of this: On Jan. 3, 2007, the Democrats took control. That was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee, and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee. The economic collapse that occurred 15 months later was in banking and financial services. Bush requested Congress 17 times to stop Freddie and Fannie (starting in 2001), because it was financially risky. And we all know what happened with that and is still costing us.

If there are some overweight tea party members, I don’t recall that they have a monopoly on that. Take a look at the Democrats in power – plenty of fat to go around, both in their bellies and in their pockets.

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  1. TEA: Taxed Enough Already

  2. Thanks Billie, I’m especially skeptical of those individuals and organizations who design “system overload” to enact an antithetical response ie Federal take-over of private responsibilities. Look to reasons behind origins, and then to eventual results. Qui Bono- who will benefit from ‘the fear’…

  3. BlaineCGarver says:

    Spot on, Billie…..

  4. TEA used to be slang for marijuana…….

    Apparently the TPers weren’t cognizant of what was going on until they were shocked out of their stupor by having Democrats to blame.

  5. Interesting. The other half hasn’t chimed in yet with page 42 of the 50 year old Democrat playbook.

  6. Sumner401 says:

    Another teawhiner letter spouting the same tired worn out false talking points?
    Man, thats just what we needed.

    Again, the Democrats took over Congress, but what did they DO to cause all the problems?
    Without cause and effect you whiners have nothing but…your whining.

    Next, you want to keep the tax cuts, but you don’t like debt and deficit spending.
    You do know you can’t have both….right?
    The tax cuts have already added 900 billion to the debt, that’s republican debt, and they will add 4 TRILLION over the next 10 years.
    So, you still want to keep them?

    Cake and eat it too people.

  7. iamjimbo says:

    2006 is the year to remember… when the democrat party took control of the purse strings and we find ourselves in this current situation…

  8. CrazyLibertarian says:

    Once again – red or blue, democrat or republican. Does it matter…

    Here you all sit arguing over who has done more damage to the economy. You argue over which one hurt it more. “Obama spent sixty billion on tuesday”. “So, Bush spent sixty billion last week”.

    So what? Who cares who spent more. The reality is they are both spending us into oblivion. Both sides of this political mess are draining away our independence, or livelihood, or future. Both Obama and Bush have (figuratively) pissed all over our Constitution. Starting with the “Patriot Act” and ending with wave after wave of bailouts and takeovers.

    Wake up people. You are playing the game they want by fighting each other, instead of fighting them. When you spend your energy fighting a straw man, you have no energy to fight the real enemy. Stop wasting your time trying to pick which of the two horrible alternatives is “better then the other”. Make it clear that you want a GOOD solution not the “Better of the Two”.

  9. lovethemountains says:

    AMEN, CrazyLibertarian

  10. newshound100 says:

    Great letter . The kids coming up will be known as the “Dog Food Generation” . That’s all they will be able to afford . We spent their money.

  11. pen_mightier_than_sword says:

    “Enough loss of jobs, homes and retirement funds.”

    Billie, just wait until Republicans get control. The next Great Depression is imminent with tax cuts and and austerity measures put in place. Tens of millions of jobs will be lost (millions from the local, state and federal governments alone), the stock market will plummet wiping out what’s left of retirement accounts and home values will plummet even further. Credit will tighten further. Billie go read about the Great Depression and what the conservatives/tea partiers wish to foist upon us. In 1946 the deficit for that year alone was $10 trillion adjusted to today’s dollars. We hit 109% of GDP for the national debt. We paid all that off in a generation through gains in productivity, technological advances and fair taxes.

    What does it take to get a tea partier to actually learn history and then to learn from history

  12. nokoolaide says:

    What I like about the TEA party is they seem to have both parties concerned. Ya gotta love that.

  13. newshound100 — you can call it the Dog Food Generation if you like. I’ll call it the Grateful for Having What We Need Generation. The lesson I’m hoping my children get out of this mess is that giant houses, fancy cars, premium cable packages, 5 times as many clothes as you need, and already-prepared foods are LUXURIES that have driven our economy into the ground.

    There are some of us still grateful for the roof over our heads and a belly full of nutritious food. All of you people crying over the loss of your luxuries can just go cry somewhere else where I don’t have to hear you.

  14. aislander says:

    Re tax rates and deficits: It doesn’t matter, really, what the rates are; revenues always come out at around 18% of GDP. When rates are high, though, GDP is smaller. High rates do NOT translate to higher revenues, merely a smaller economy…

  15. Novelist3 says:

    “What does it take to get a tea partier to actually learn history and then to learn from history ”
    They’ve learned from history… that voting a Democrat into the Oval Office is a bad idea. That’s what frightens you lefties- that a huge portion of the country has learned from their mistakes, and are determined never to make that same one again… and thus ending the political careers of Dems across the nation.

  16. pen_mightier_than_sword says:

    Novelist, didn’t you read the link? 300 prominent economists say the tea party austerity goals of slashing local, state and national budgets and cutting taxes will drive us into a Great Depression. Please read the article.

  17. Sumner401 says:

    What we should have learned from history is that voting for republicans, in any office is bad for the country.

    This is a serious question,
    Name one thing the republicans have done to that has helped the working class in this country.

    Doesn’t it bother anyone that there is no answer of that question?
    The GOP has outspent even their previous record setting spending, how does anyone think they won’t do it again?
    75% of our debt is due to republican spending.

  18. fatbellieddragon says:

    Yeah, sure. Eight years of Bush, but blame the next administration for being unable to rectify it in two. Go ahead, vote for the teabaggers. Start a new war with Iran or North Korea. Cut taxes for the richest among us, again. Find another brain-dead politician to lead us down a black hole of financial irresponsibility.
    Again.
    Cut funding for education. Make health care something that only the rich can afford. Allow oil drilling in our national parks. Ignore this country’s aging infrastructure. Let the corporate lobby control the policy of the government.
    Again.
    Your children won’t thank you for it. But at least you’ll have something to complain about.

  19. Sumner401 says:

    BTW, Ispring, you being a very hard core partisan rightwinger, can you name anything the republicans that you blindly support have done that helps the middle class working man, the very core of the nation?
    Anything?

  20. ratujack says:

    Sumner would you like it if only one party …. DEMOCRATS ruled forever?

  21. ratujack says:

    Reagan pulled us out of the Jimmy Carter disastor which put middle class back to work. Even with a corrupt Democratic congress.

  22. NWflyfisher says:

    Sumner: Regarding your comment “Back to the 1700’s.”
    Yep, all the way back to September 17, 1787, the day the Constitution of the United States was signed. Today is September 17, Constitution Day, the day patriotic Americans celebrate that most significant event and it’s principles of individual freedom and limited government.

  23. When will u people learn and wake -up to the left / right paradigm. and understand we have not had a real president since Kennedy. And you see what happened to him. our political system, is like 2 wolves and a sheep arguing over who’s for dinner. It does not matter whether you’re a Democrat or Republican. Washington D.C. is owned by globalist bankers. Who are destroying the economy and our sovereignty by design. Has anyone noticed the only people not hurt by this DEPRESSION is global banks, the politicians they bought and big Business. And when they fail, guess what!! you the people i.e sheep will be feed upon, in the form of bailouts and more higher taxes. lets stick with what made this country great, the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence. This is what made this Country great. not sold out politicians which need the people to feed off of for their own personal gain. lets start w/ accountability for the oath our politicians take. I.E. the Constitution. If we did that their would be no teaparty.

  24. geeterpontiac says:

    Nice letter.

  25. footballscaa says:

    As an Independent, I personally do not think President Obama has earned a second term. From his non-responce to the oil disaster in the gulf, to the inaction of his administration while his own party held a super majority in congress, has left the nation simply hoping for change. We expected more. We got politics as usual. That said, if the Tea Party continues to champion weak and quite simply laughable candidates, they will guarentee four more years for Mr. Obama. I only hope our in boxes can handle all of the right wing rantings for another four years.

  26. footballscaa says:

    Ratujack: The biggest problem with the GOP and the Tea Party is, they have forgotten Reagans doctrine and adopted Nancys in it’s place. Just say no, will not hold a country together.

  27. OldLefty says:

    “The folks who attend the tea party rallies are ordinary citizens, speaking in a unanimous voice to say “Enough spending! Enough government take over! Enough loss of jobs, homes and retirement funds.” Their expenses are not paid by “billionaires.” They are struggling to maintain their homes, medical expenses etc, .The tea party’s success in the recent primaries speaks for itself.”

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2010/09/16/nothing-but-the-facts/#comments#ixzz0zo8RGiSP

    I feel the need to respond to this paragraph:

    “Ordinary citizens” – which of us aren’t?
    “Enough Spending” – too late, we ran out of money in September 2008.
    “Loss of jobs, retirement, etc” – as if the government has control of this
    “expenses paid by billionaires” – that was travel expenses to Beck’s Party
    “success in primaries” – eliminated some strong GOPs the Dems say “thanks”

  28. OldLefty says:

    And to this comment:

    “As an Independent, I personally do not think President Obama has earned a second term. From his non-responce to the oil disaster in the gulf, to the inaction of his administration while his own party held a super majority in congress”

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2010/09/16/nothing-but-the-facts/comment-page-1/#comment-18771#ixzz0zo9thZho

    “Non-response” – I thought that was BPs responsibility. It’s their rig

    “Supermajority” – for how many days? Count the days from Franken actually getting sworn in to the day Ted Kennedy died (not accounting for the lack of his vote while dying)

  29. OldLefty says:

    Hint: Franken was sworn in July 2009, Kennedy died in August

  30. OldLefty says:

    “ratujack says:
    September 17, 2010 at 9:14 am
    Reagan pulled us out of the Jimmy Carter disastor which put middle class back to work. Even with a corrupt Democratic congress. ”

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2010/09/16/nothing-but-the-facts/comment-page-1/#comment-18773#ixzz0zoB5UP3u

    HUH????
    The “Reagan recession”, coupled with budget cuts (which were enacted in 1981 but began to take effect in 1982), led many voters to believe that Reagan was insensitive to the needs of average citizens. In January 1983, Reagan’s popularity rating fell to 35%.

  31. Sumner401 says:

    Reagan pulled us out of the Jimmy Carter disastor which put middle class back to work.

    Complete fabrication.
    reagan did more harm than good and it was Nixon’s economy, not Carters.
    reagan and the republicans have been waging war on the middle for the last 30 years.
    If they take control, we can kiss the middle class good bye for good and we will be a 3rd world caste system.

  32. Sumner401 says:

    Tea Party continues to champion weak and quite simply laughable candidates, they will guarentee four more years for Mr. Obama.

    From your mouth to gods ear!

  33. Citizens should have really been concerned during the Bush presidency, when the off the balance sheet financing of the wars was developing into a major debacle and deficit spending reached record levels.

    Likewise, we should have been more concerned with financial reforms under Clinton that led to an out of control financial system and incredibly arrogant and risky corporate behavior.

    Between these two presidents, Obama and congress have few good options. It is sort of ridiculous to me, now that a democrat is in office, to rally against “big government” and deficit spending when really, the floodgates opened under the former so called “small government” president.

    So I blame both Bush and Clinton for our current mess.

    In general, however, I find the Tea Party to be somewhat intellectually untethered from reality and as some comments have noted, offering worse solutions to a bad problem. And it will hurt the Republican party.

  34. Great letter Billie! The libs are doing their predictable lying and knashing of teeth. That means you hit them where it hurts. This is great entertainment!

  35. Roncella says:

    Billie, A super letter. The Liberal Democrats and establishment Republicans are all scared to fo the Tea Party Movement, and Conservatives taking the House and maybe the senate this November.

  36. headedsouth says:

    If Bush wasnt such a puppet he may have been able to really to something for the middle class who is really the ones hurting.

  37. footballscaa says:

    Old Lefty, take a look at who was actually filling the senate and house seats for the last two years. Are you implying Mr Obama didn’t have enough support to do anything? Your right. His lack of leadership has alienated many of his own party from supporting his agenda. And you may have thought the oil spill was BPs problem, but it was/is a national crisis and our goverment did practically nothing for a month while oil was spewing unchecked, into the gulf. I’m sure you buy BPs rhetoric about the oil being gone as well. Hint: check your facts, then pick apart other peoples posts.

  38. OldLefty says:

    “Are you implying Mr Obama didn’t have enough support to do anything? Your right. His lack of leadership has alienated many of his own party from supporting his agenda.”
    WRONG. The only time he didn’t get “his party’s support” was when the insurance companies bought off Lieberman and Nelson.

    And you may have thought the oil spill was BPs problem, but it was/is a national crisis and our goverment did practically nothing for a month while oil was spewing unchecked, into the gulf.
    WRONG. BP’s Disaster is BP’s solution. The Federal Government has no business changing their diapers. Look how much good it has done. BP hasn’t paid the people who lost businesses, as they promised

  39. OldLefty says:

    “The libs are doing their predictable lying and knashing of teeth. That means you hit them where it hurts. This is great entertainment!”

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2010/09/16/nothing-but-the-facts/comment-page-1/#comment-18803#ixzz0zorPAVxJ

    Typical right wing claptrap rhetoric. Try to submit something of substance

  40. OldLefty says:

    football – I might add that my original point – THE SENATE HAS NOT HAD A TRUE SUPER MAJORITY – stands pat.

    Other than July to August 2009, there were not 60 votes on the Democratic side of the Senate. Fact.

    Prior to Obama’s election, the Senate was a 49-49 draw with 2 “independents”

    These are just plain historical facts.

  41. aislander says:

    It seems that the DNC has provided LC with reinforcements…

  42. A common supply-side interpretation of the 80s goes something like this: “Carter’s tax-and-spend policies ruined the economy, and sent America into the worst recession since World War II. Reagan inherited many of those economic problems, but once he cut taxes, America’s entrepreneurial spirit was unshackled. We experienced the greatest peacetime expansion in postwar history – the so-called ‘Seven Fat Years’ from 1983 to 1989. Then George Bush broke his ‘Read my lips: no new taxes’ pledge, and sent the economy back into recession.”

    There are several problems with this story. First, Carter actually began many of the policies that Reagan would later become known for; Carter gave the rich a capital gains tax cut, massively deregulated key industries like trucking and airlines, and even increased defense spending. This was also the period that corporate PACs began compelling Congress to pass pro-business legislation. According to supply-side theory, these actions should have nudged the economy in the right direction, not plunged it into the worst recession in 40 years. Other problems involve timing: Reagan’s first tax cuts went into effect in 1982, but this was also the summer that the Federal Reserve Board slashed interest rates and expanded the money supply. Most economists believe the Fed, not Reagan, was responsible for the following recovery. Finally, the recession of 1990 began four months before Bush broke his “no new taxes” pledge. The recession began in July 1990; Bush signed his tax increases into law in November 1990.

    And supply-siders are careful to note that Reagan’s was the longest peacetime expansion since World War II. In truth, the Kennedy-Johnson expansion was longer: 106 months compared to Reagan’s 92.1 Of course, there was a war in Vietnam, which gives supply-siders an excuse to dismiss it because wars are beneficial to the economy. But they are beneficial because governments engage in Keynesian borrowing and spending during them (which could be directed to social services as well as war). Unfortunately for supply-siders, it was really Keynesianism that produced the longest economic boom since World War II.

    And this observation is even more of a victory for Keynesianism than it sounds. For all his public promotion of supply-side economics, Reagan actually practiced a massive form of Keynesian borrowing and spending. Almost $2 trillion worth, to be exact. (Although most liberals would point out this was excessive even by Keynesian standards.)

    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/6Economy.htm

  43. Real Growth of Gross Domestic Product2

    1973 5.2
    1974 -0.5
    1975 -1.3
    1976 4.9
    1977 4.7
    1978 5.3
    1979 2.5
    1980 -0.5
    1981 1.8
    1982 -2.2
    1983 3.9
    1984 6.2
    1985 3.2
    1986 2.9
    1987 3.1
    1988 3.9
    1989 2.5
    1990 1.2
    1991 -0.6
    1992 2.3
    1993 3.1
    1994 4.1

    As you can see, economic growth varies considerably from year to year. This allows political spin doctors to prove anything they want to prove, by choosing the most convenient comparison dates and indulging in clever rhetoric. Economists have a way of getting around this. They arrive at an accurate assessment by measuring potential growth instead of actual growth. (More) The result of such a measurement shows that Reagan did no better or worse than Ford, Carter or Bush. Potential growth under all four presidents remained pretty much the same: about 2.5 percent.
    ibid

  44. Job Growth Per Year Under Most Recent Presidents (Johnson – Bush I)

    Johnson 3.8%
    Carter 3.1
    Clinton 2.4
    Kennedy 2.3
    Nixon 2.3
    Reagan 2.1
    Bush 0.6

    ibid

  45. So, not only did Reagan save American jobs from that “disaster” Carter…..he did worse than Johnson, Carter, Clinton, Kennedy, and Nixon.

  46. iamjimbo says:

    “Who is the real Barack Obama?”
    Submitted by LuckyCharm on October 21, 2008 – 8:11am.
    This is 2008, and we want answers now. What will McCain do for ME? I’ve asked that question several times now on these threads, and so far nobody has ventured even an attempt at a reply.
    …. Just for you Tmell. ;)

    “Entitlement driven mentality” on display.

  47. As an interim measure, taxing the rich to create job stimulus sounds reasonable. We could call it “involuntary investing” and they’d probably think its okay.

  48. Sumner401 says:

    Conservatives taking the House and maybe the senate this November.

    Comedy gold man, comedy gold!
    What are you going to do when you don’t do this roncella?
    Polls are not in your favor right now.
    Get your crying towel ready.

  49. Sumner401 says:

    Great posts beerboy! Facts are strange things to republicans, they always tend to dismiss them for the party line, which is always wrong.
    It’s good to set history right for them!

  50. I don’t think either side has any reason to be overly smug about the upcoming election.

    Snarky remarks don’t win elections, getting the voters out does.

    It ain’t over, till the fat lady sings.

  51. Methinks our writer has resorted to that level.

    “Methinks”!!!!

    Shakespeare is a teapartier!

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