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POLICE: Easy way to avoid deadly force

Letter by William Hanko, Lakewood on Sep. 10, 2010 at 4:45 pm with 35 Comments »
September 10, 2010 4:45 pm

Re: “Some answers needed” (letter, 9-10).

Police shootings can quite easily become a thing of the past. In a confrontation with the police, do as the officer instructs!

We need more empowerment for our police force rather the more constraint. Ever hear of personal responsibility?

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  1. “Police shootings can quite easily become a thing of the past. In a confrontation with the police, do as the officer instructs!”

    Some folks have hearing problems and some mentally ill.

    So it’s open season on these folks.

  2. geeterpontiac says:

    My hearing is so bad, that even with my hearing aids in, it would be next to impossible for me to hear anyone talking to me unless they were standing next to me.

    So, I suppose I would be fair game if I turned around quickly with a police officer or tried to get close enough to hear what they were saying, especially in circumstances where visibility was poor?

    In the past, I have felt police officers have bent over backward to ensure the safety of the innocent. But, given the increase in shooting by police over the last year I am beginning to wonder what is going on.

    If this trend continues, there are going to be some innocent people killed by police officers due to misunderstanding instructions or circumstances that create doubts or uncertainties.

    And, it may have alread occured.

  3. nokoolaide says:

    In all honesty, I am not a big fan of police officers. I remember when they were “officers of the peace”, and worked for the people. However you don’t have to hear , nor speak english to know that when you are approached by “the man” with his weapon drawn, you might want to at the very least freeze in your tracks! If you do not agree with what is going down, cooperate, and take it up in court. Live to fight another day!

  4. WarmNfuzziOne says:

    I’d rather have the police take out a dangerous person, be he mentally ill, hard of hearing, a non english speaker, or developmentally disabled, then allow that person, be he mentally ill, hard of hearing, a non english speaker, or developmentally disabled harm others.

    Geez…don’t people realize that people who are retarded, crazy, deaf, and foreign kill people too?

    If they aren’t going to be stopped by the display of a firearm, a uniform, and a badge, then they need to be stopped by lethal force.

  5. geeterpontiac says:

    “Geez…don’t people realize that people who are retarded, crazy, deaf, and foreign kill people too?”

    True, but most don’t, just like the majority of the population do not.

    But, their disability makes them fair game in your book? That’s basically what you are saying. The fact that their disability can lead to misunderstandings means it’s a risk worth taking to simply shoot someone?.

    Sure glad you aren’t a police officer. Sounds like a blind person wouldn’t be safe around you.

  6. madmike272 says:

    Only the blatantly stupid or those that want to commit suicide by cop approach an officer with his weapon drawn, with anything that can do the officer harm in his/her hands. No sympathy.

  7. The same basic logic can be used anytime someone with a weapon and a homicidal bent approaches you – the difference being, of course, that when you are killed by a gangsta for not doing what he tells you to do there aren’t a bunch of folks writing to the paper saying that it was your fault.

    A First Nation take on the killing of a homeless woodcarver with a LEGAL knife
    http://www.indiancountrytoday.com/archive/Seattle-police-slay-Native-woodcarver-and-an-outraged-community-is-asking-why-102346199.html

  8. Just do as I say, and no one will get hurt.

  9. LibertyBell says:

    Then after you do not do what the officer instructs, like Crystal Brame, the Tacoma Police Chief’s wife, you can also pay our millions of taxdollars for hiring some of the most incompentant policemen the Nation has ever seen!

  10. ratujack says:

    In a western civilized society with a miracle like our Constitution and Bill of rights it is wrong to shoot a mentally ill man carry a pearing knife and has not hurt anyone. 7 shots. Killed him!!! The Constitution was created to protect us from Government…. not each other. Responsibility should apply to a very poorly trained Tacom Police Department as well as the rest of us. Question to the Police Chief: How many bullets should two cops use in taking down a mentally ill 64 year old man with a pearing knife? A fish goes rotten from the head down. Chief you should be fired and the City Manager fired. TRAIN EM

  11. The end of a life at the point of a police officer’s gun is only worth two short sentences.

    I don’t think I want to live in your world.

  12. ratujack says:

    BBoy I read the Seattle carver story. MURDER by the cop. POLICE STATE. Just because you are a cop does’nt mean you can kill whomever you wish…… insane.,

  13. WarmNfuzziOne says:
    September 10, 2010 at 11:39 pm
    I’d rather have the police take out a dangerous person, be he mentally ill, hard of hearing, a non english speaker, or developmentally disabled, then allow that person, be he mentally ill, hard of hearing, a non english speaker, or developmentally disabled harm others.

    Geez…don’t people realize that people who are retarded, crazy, deaf, and foreign kill people too?

    If they aren’t going to be stopped by the display of a firearm, a uniform, and a badge, then they need to be stopped by lethal force.

    Please tell us why you are reporting this comment:

    I would report it if the ‘flag comment’ link actually worked. So I will report it here. The comment from ‘WarmNfuzzione’ above is extremely offensive.

    .

  14. So… what do you guys think the cops SHOULD have done about the guy with the knife instead of shooting him?

    They couldn’t get near him because of the knife, which means they couldn’t taze him or tackle him. (If they tazed him people would still be complaining anyway.) He wasn’t responding to verbal commands, so they couldn’t talk him down.

    He wasn’t just standing there calmly with the knife, otherwise the people nearby wouldn’t have called 911. He must have been scaring people.

    So how do you think they could have gotten this guy under control without anybody getting hurt? Maybe evacuate everyone within a one-mile radius and wait a day or so for him to fall asleep?

    I didn’t hear about any citizens actually on site who stepped in to physically disarm this crazed lunatic, just a whole bunch of people who weren’t there saying somebody should have.

  15. beccib — I get what WarmNfuzzione is saying. I think we all agree if a guy is crazy we can’t hold him responsible for his behavior. However, with all the sensitivity possible regarding his unfortunate condition, we still cannot permit him to hurt other people. If the only way to keep him from hurting others is to shoot him, then that’s what has to be done.

  16. WarmNfuzziOne says:

    In the past they had variations of ‘man catchers’.

    They brought in long poles with a two pronged ‘fork’ with small clothing snagging hooks on it, and from the distance they simply trapped and controlled drunks with swords. They used these in Europe and Japan when common folks needed to stop nobles, knights, or in Japan’s case, samauri and they didn’t want to kill them. Some translated as ‘shirt tanglers’.

    In a modern way we could use sectioned graphite poles with rubber coated numbs and from a distance two teams with two poles could move in on a person with knives and literally pin a mentally ill person with a knife in a safe manner with someone standing by with a taser.

    The problem is time of deployment and the fact that if they brought this back, we’d expect them to use it every time, with people in the public too dim to understand urgency.

    Or we can keep shooting the nuts with knives.

    Think about it, what have we lost when this happens? Are those people productive tax payers, hard workers and contributors to society?

    The people they victimize frequently are.

  17. DubyaFTW says:

    I love it. Now all the creeps getting shot by cops are hearing impaired? Well, here’s a tip for the hearing impaired: Don’t wave knives around like a crazy person and you won’t get shot!

  18. DubyaFTW says:

    By the way, we do not all agree on letting crazy people off the hook. Anyone who murders is insane. We punish for the crime, not for the person!

  19. spotted1 says:

    Please explain to me why a “crazy” person should not be responsible for their actions?

    Some of these comments are bordering on ludicrous. This is why the police have such issues. If they take down a person who is threatening, they are either called a hero or publicly abused for the same level of force. If you truly believe that they are so bad, DON’T EVER CALL THEM!!! You don’t need them anyways.

    I have yet to meet a police officer who went out of his or her way to harm another. They are doing a tough job that we want them to do. Yet all we do is complain because we don’t think that they are doing it in the right way.

  20. Whoops, I’ll try to phrase that better about the crazy guy not being responsible for his actions. I didn’t mean he should be let off the hook and not face any consequences for his behavior. I meant that he can’t help his behavior. How he acts is out of his control if his brain is broken.

    So to re-phrase, even if the crazy guy doesn’t understand what he is doing because he is truly mentally ill, we can’t let him hurt other people.

  21. Too bad all those mental health services got shut down in the Reagan era so there isn’t a system in place to help those crazy folks in a safe place…….

  22. geeterpontiac says:

    Yes bB,

    That was one of those decisions Reagan regretted. In fact, he often said such was the case.

    He regretted having gone along with the liberals.

    But, for a liberal, counts. They have to be free to vote. :)

  23. How long is this two sentence masterpiece going to be featured on the home page?

  24. geeterpontiac says:

    Forever jenyum.

    Hehehe

  25. William- Thanks for getting it. I have been advising people of this for years. Herein fail not at your peril.

  26. UncleBobby says:

    spotted1 wrote “I have yet to meet a police officer who went out of his or her way to harm another”. You obviously have not met the infamous master of disaster PCSD Deputy DP, aka Deputy “I am God” Dummer!

    He is one of the dimmest and most vile, mean Spirited & vindictive deputies in recorded history, This coward of a poor excuse for a man, has more complaints filed against him than all of you others combined.

    He is even reputed to have bragged he Is God! and PC covers up for his sadism and psychopathic tendencies. It is amazing he can continue bragging around town the vile things he does to young girls he pulls over! Police yourselves is a good start and start with Deputy Dimwit DP Bummer. You guys walk around talking about social responsibility and pat each other on the back, yet some of you are doing things the Nazi’s would be proud of. Get yourselves under control.

    As always, Uncle Bobby

  27. george82331 says:

    I recall an instance of a person being shot and killed while reaching for a card that explained that he was both deaf and mute. A little more time to evaluate the circumstance would have saved a life.

  28. Novelist3 says:

    Something I don’t get from one of the posters here-
    “They couldn’t get near him because of the knife, which means they couldn’t taze him”
    Why the heck couldn’t they use a taser instead of a gun in this situation? The the X26 can tase at a range of almost 40 feet away, and the XRep Taser cartridge can hit a target at a range of a hundred feet.
    And yet the poster above claims they couldn’t tase him. Why couldn’t they? Or are we now in an era where the Taser is passe and the police just go around shooting anyone they feel like?

  29. Cops are government officials, and as we all know Obomba is in charge so they must be obeyed. Save your disobedience for when the conservatives are in charge because dissent is not good citizenship when fascists are in charge.

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  31. live4fish says:

    And it’s quiet remarkable that nobody on here mentions that maybe the police have a right to be a little jittery. Or maybe everybody has forgotten all of the officers and deputy’s that have been killed within the last year alone.

    Get a grip people. The police didn’t just appear. It’s common knowledge on what to do when approached by an officer.

  32. ratujack says:

    What happened to “PROTECT AND SERVE”

  33. I’m sure I once read that the police are trained to shoot to kill under certain circumstances.
    Certainly if several are shooting at once one is sure to be a fatal bullet.
    Why can’t they shoot the people in the legs if they are not right on them.

  34. BlaineCGarver says:

    Very few here are willing to talk or reason in shades of grey. The answer is rarely Black or White. Personally, I feel that wood carver was innocent of any wrongdoing. Having said that, the incidences of violence against LEOs are way up, as well. I legally carry a handgun and always have a useful sized folder in my pocket. I would be an idiot to brandish either one in public and if I did, I’d dang sure drop it if I was challanged by a cop.

  35. gonefishin69690 says:

    Funny. The same people crying out for the defense of the mentally ill, are probably the same ones who cry out when a cold blooded killer gets off on an insanity plee.

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