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AFGHANISTAN: U.S. withdrawal would be irresponsible

Letter by Don Wilbur, University Place on July 6, 2010 at 1:02 pm with 23 Comments »
July 6, 2010 1:02 pm

Re: “Afghanistan: Vague words or vague thinking” (editorial, 7-1).

The administration is vague on the withdrawal date of July 2011. Apparently Vice President Joe Biden wants out now while our president is vague on the reality of the date.

Vague would be a good strategy if our terrorist enemies were told we are committed to defeating them. As the editorial noted, Biden and his followers on the left have forgotten 9/11.

The left seems to believe a Taliban return to power with militant Islamic law would be confined to Afghanistan. This logic defies modern history, especially as practiced by the current Iranian leaders’ religious fanaticism.

It is Islamic fanaticism that has supported terrorism throughout the world. Also, Iran is aggressively developing nuclear missiles.

In WWII the allies were weak militarily and philosophically and millions died as the result of Nazi and Japanese fanaticism. The fanatics almost overwhelmed the west with their military might. Although weak militarily, current fanatics can dominate the world with nuclear missiles.

he left believes the Afghanistan war is irresponsible as it wastes our warriors’ lives and American resources. On the contrary, it is irresponsible to lose Afghanistan to the Taliban until an honest analysis is made of the consequences. A real consequence is the West facing nuclear missiles in the hands of unstable fanatics.

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  1. socialismisgood says:

    the Fanatic are here amongst us, not some fictitious group out there! The real fanatic’s are suggesting that only the right wing conservatives are the only true americans. If we take a look at the real reason we got involved in Iraq, look at the vice Presidents connection to the “no bid contractor” that has bilked the taxpayer out of hundreds of billions of dollars. The previous administration rightly invaded Afghanistan however, they took their eye off the ball and invaded Iraq. WWII is a poor example of the dynamics in Afghanistan and the current situation with Iran. Due to the deception and Lies by cheney and company, I doubt that any future administration would consider going to war without exhausting every possable means of diplomacy. The Bush administration made a decision and worked backwards, Justifying their desire to go to War. The Obama administration was delt a pile of dung and is clearly doing the best job that can be expected under the circumstances.

  2. Sumner401 says:

    “This logic defies modern history”

    Really? Where was the Taliban in power outside of Afghanistan?
    The failure bush was pretty vague getting us into the war, why the need for absolutes? A few years ago the complaint was about issuing absolutes, it was bad for moral and it ‘emboldened’ the enemy, has that changed?

    Why does the right always try and compare these two wars of choice with WWII when they have nothing in common?

  3. How can you “win” a war when there is no front line? What does it mean to WIN? When we kill them all? How much blood must be spilled to make people feel warm and fuzzy inside when they raise their beers to celebrate official “victory”?

    What happens when people realize that you take one head, and two spring up in its place?

    What happens when people wake up and realize that many of those we are fighting are simply defending their homes?
    It’s so easy to label them Al Qaida or Taliban..but when we kill a son, their fathers and brothers and sisters and mothers and uncles and aunts will want to fight back.

    Would you fight back if someone invaded America, and attempted to occupy your town?
    Call yourself a patriot when defending this war, and tell me that you’d let a foreign country occupy your town…bomb your buildings…kill citizens…

  4. beerBoy says:

    Explain again how the Taliban were responsible for 9/11.

  5. socialismisgood : you say Obama is doing the best under the circumstances, well I believe he would be doing even better if he simply ordered a pull out now. Much better. The war is not winnable as the head of the RNC recently said . So why continue the destruction?

  6. Novelist3 says:

    “Explain again how the Taliban were responsible for 9/11″

    How absolutely shortsighted you are. I could say the same thing- to demand that one “explain again” how the Italians were responsible for Pearl Harbor’s thousands of deaths to justify our World War II European theater presence and assaults on Italian axis locales (rather than a simple Pacfic series of engagements), but the fact is that such a demand is simplistic and silly, because such a straw man relies on a myopic, small-centered view of world events. The Taliban (as were all Al-Q affiliated supporters) harbor, train, hide and support the Wahabbists who follow their twisted worldview. That worldview, and the murderous following of it, is not limited to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia or any other nation- its vile slime coats nations all across the globe, throughout Asia, Europe, South America, Africa and beyond. That’s why the Global War On Terror was labeled as such. Only a fool allows his memory to be so selective as to assume that retreat from the current front of said Global War On Terror would do anything except embolden them.

  7. beerBoy says:

    Interesting how the militarists always cite WWII examples – skipping more recent wars……

    Italy and Germany declared war on the US after the US declared war upon Japan.

    Please demonstrate how the Taliban have anything to do with 9/11 or any of the multiple terrorist activities that followed the declaration of the GWOT. Do not refer to any activities in Afghanistan or in Pakistan as they can be directly related to the attack upon AFghanistan.

  8. To all you finger pointers blaming Bush for getting us in the war, take the pipe out of your mouth and listen. The U.S. Congress voted overwhelmingly to fund that war and continues to do so. Who is in charge of the Congress, huh?? The U.N. supports the war, hence U.N. troops in- theatre . Clinton and his tribe all supported it as well. Obama applied for the job, now let’s see if he can do it.

  9. Amergain says:

    The problem on 9-11 was terrorism. The terrorists were mainly Saudis and a broad international network of Islamic terrorists. Afghanistan was a small almost negligible part of Al Qaeda. Islamic terrorism is not a nation. You do not fight it by attacking a country. I am one of the patriotic minority who from the first understood that going after Al Qaeda was our quest. Attacking countries like Afghanistan and Iraq (which had no connection to Al Qaeda) was more than a mistake. These wars were unnecessary, both launched by the moron George Bush at the orders of sinister Dick Cheney. The cost in American lives is impossible to repay. Those brave Americans were sacrificed for oil and GOP corruption backed by stupidity. The cost in billions of dollars played a major role in our economic collapse. Much of the money went to Corporation CEO traitors. I wish Biden was our President. Let us get the Hell out of Hell (i.e. Afghanistan/Iraq.) Set the withdrawal time for 4 O’clock PDT July 8, 2010. Let the turban wearing savages kill each other to their heart’s content. We can watch it on the news or the Comedy Channel.

  10. Sumner401 says:

    “To all you finger pointers blaming Bush for getting us in the war”

    The failure DID get us into both the wars that now have a tab at around 3 trillion.
    You can’t deny it.

  11. Sumner401 says:

    “Who is in charge of the Congress, huh??”

    at the time the failure started the wars, the republicans, why do you ask?

  12. “To all you finger pointers blaming Bush for getting us in the war, take the pipe out of your mouth and listen.”

    Hey Arrogant, take your blinders off and open your eyes! The Republican led U.S. Congress, the Clintons, and the American people were misled into supporting the war because of “cooked” evidence from Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld & Wolfowitz.

    Furthermore Arrogant, it’s an out-and-out lie to say the U.N. supported the war when we entered it.

  13. MarksonofDarwin says:

    There is a very good reason Afghanistan is called the “graveyard of empires”.

    We are fighting the Taliban, which many citizens of Afghanistan are terrified of, and would like to see gone.

    Bush started the war in response to 9/11 because Osama Bin Laden was IN Afghanistan, and he was the target. Somewhere along the way, we inexplicably forgot all about Bin Laden and it became a “nation building” effort, which means the goal posts are always changing.

    It seems to me that Obama is trying to at least leave that country secure from the extremists who could take total control.

    I know that he said we would leave Afghanistan soon after he took office.
    It appears that it may be easier said than done.
    It’s understandable to be disappointed in his back-tracking….but I’m actually inclined to give him a pass.

    At least it’s not the worst thing he’s done so far…….

  14. “The U.N. supports the war, hence U.N. troops in- theatre”

    On September 16, 2004 Kofi Annan, the Secretary General of the United Nations, said of the U.S. led invasion, “I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN Charter. From our point of view, from the Charter point of view, it was illegal.

  15. MarksonofDarwin says:

    Kofi Annan was speaking of the Iraq war, which is an entirely different subject.

    However, since you brought it up…..our laws do NOT take an inferior position to the **opinions** of outside political bodies like the UN.

    You may find Mr. Annan to be the embodiment of the perfect dictator to grovel before, but I hate to inform you that most of your countrymen definitely do not. Nor will you find wide support for your genuflection throughout all of the countries of the world.

  16. beerBoy says:

    An edit function would be a nice start!

  17. MarksonofDarwin says:

    Yep, bB.

    Or at the very least, a preview button….

  18. larsman says:

    The confusion is sadly understandable when our State Department did not even know the difference between a 12-er and a 5-er, much less a Sunni, Shiite, Saracen or Wahhabi. Spain had driven out the Saracens in 1490, Austria/Hungary (Battle of Vienna, Buda-Pest) turned back the Grand Vizier and Caliph in the battle that arguably saved Europe from Sharia Islam in 1684 and you think that if we leave well enough alone, ‘they ‘will do the same? Who flew the planes?

  19. All,

    Please keep the conversation on topic. Please also refrain from calling others “trolls,” “sock puppets” or whathaveyou. We are unable to verify such claims and therefore they amount to unsubstantiated personal attacks.

    Kim Bradford
    The News Tribune

  20. Sorry, Kim.

  21. Kim,

    My use of the term sock puppet was a critique of the accusations of people using alternate screen names that was being conducted by two posters using alternate screen names. (for definition see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_%28Internet%29)

    I did not wish to contribute to the thread drift rather, I was complaining about it.

    I have since looked up the term on Urban Dictionary and now realize that there are other definitions of the term and will not use it again.

    I apologize for any contribution I have made to the diversion of the thread.

  22. beerBoy:

    I object to the use of sock puppet in any form. We are unable to verify whether a single poster is commenting using alternate screen names. Therefore, we don’t allow other commenters to make such accusations.


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