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MEMORIAL DAY: Honor our nation’s warriors

Letter by Steve Vermillion, Puyallup on May 28, 2010 at 3:07 pm with 70 Comments »
June 1, 2010 9:34 am

Re: “Honor military, don’t glorify” (letter, 5-27).

This letter to the editor struck a tattered nerve deep in my soul. My service to our country began in 1967 as a pilot of an unarmed medical evacuation helicopter in Vietnam. I and those within my unit did our duty, and proudly so, not because we were inculcated or enslaved to our government, but because we believed it to be in the best interest of our nation.

I was delusional in my beliefs that upon returning home our service would be positively acknowledged. The writer appears to be of the faction that chose to spit upon us, protest us, jeer us and criminalize us as we returned our lives to a sense of normalcy. And apparently she still bears contempt for soldiers serving in today’s conflicts.

I, however, am thankful for the service of each and every soldier who has ever served in time of war. True combat veterans do not glorify war as they know the ugliness and misery found on the battlefield.

I honor all soldiers who gave their lives so that others may live in freedom. I honor those soldiers who returned and still bear the emotional and physical scars of battle. And I shun those who do otherwise.

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  1. beerBoy says:

    Steve – Decoration/Memorial Day isn’t for you – you made it back alive. Wait till Armistice/Veteran’s Day.

  2. Wow B… you tyook the cake on that one (I wonder what your hero JFKerry is doing this weekend)
    Did you even bother to read the letter that inspired this one? (That’s not a trick question.)
    beerBoy says:
    May 11, 2010 at 5:59 pm
    “Land of the Free”…..yah sure, ya betcha!

  3. Mr Vermillion, I’m with you brother!

    As a non combat, out of theater, Vietnam era vet, I felt the spit and the hatred too. Sadly I carried a disgust for my own generation of peers for many years. I became very content with the “us and them syndrome”.

    You and yours have my respect. Today AND on Veterans Day.

    and shame on you beerboy.

  4. Thank you for your service…..I read that other letter and it pis#ed me off too. People have no clue how many young men and women have given their lives so they can have their non-american, non-patriotic opinions. Ironic, but a true testament to our soldiers. God Bless you, and each of our soldiers that have given or risked their lives for our freedoms!

  5. beerBoy says:

    Shame on me for pointing out that Memorial Day is to honor the fallen…..


    Yes ij, I read the first letter.

  6. no beer boy, shame on you for ignoring what was a letter obviously venting frustration with decades old feelings and using it to nitpic.

  7. Roncella says:

    Steve, Thanks for your service to our Country. I too was in the service during the Viet Nam conflict but never had to go there. I was in a supply company and helped alot of returning soldiers with their paperwork and personal equipment as they came back to Ft Lewis to be reassigned to different companies.

    I heard many stories about their experiences in Viet Nam. If anyone should be ashame of there actions there its Jane Fonda, and John Kerry. Jane Fonda did alot for the North Viet Cong. She gave them confidence to just keep on fighting as the will of the American People for the War was wearing down. John Kerry came back and testified before the Congress and most of his remarks were found to be untrue. He told lies about our troops fighting there and discredited them in front of the Congress.

    Today we have a President who will not go to Arlington to show his respect for all the fallen Soldiers, he is too busy. Very Sad.

    Thanks again for your Service Steve and lots of good luck in your future.

  8. • beerBoy wrote on 05/15/2009 10:37:34 AM:
    enjoying your nit picking?

  9. I strongly suggest visiting the Veteran’s Cemetary in Orting on Memorial Day. Graves start from the Civil War on the far West section, moving East to the Spanish American War (a surprising number of graves) onto World War I & II,
    Korea, Vietnam and now Iraq and Afganastan. There are several Medal of Honor recipients who are buried at this site. Sacred ground.

  10. whitecap says:

    Great letter Steve. Thanks for your response to the letter of 5-27 and thank you for your service.

  11. Gee, you’re a class act, bBoy. Your credibility just plummeted, and I’m restraining myself from calling you a jerk which is what I would call you if I weren’t exercising restraint.

    Steve, fortunately many here appreciate what you’ve shared, and I appreciate too your openness about that “tattered nerve” as it must very painful for you to remember, and to see the impact that that era has had long term on this great country of ours.

    I was a college student back in those days, and it was easy to get sucked into the anti-establishment culture. Some of the criticisms were valid, of course…but by and large, it was all based on raw feelings and very little fact.
    And of course the arrogance of youth, presuming to know more than their elders. Sadly, many of those folks are now advising the president of the United States.

    Bottom line, you served your country and you came home alive. Praise God.
    You understand what those who lost their lives actually gave, and I thank you for writing this letter.

    As for bBoy and his pals… never mind.

  12. LuckyCharm says:

    I got a completely different sense from the original letter, to which this one is a response. It seemed like that writer was simply saying we don’t have to glorify war, or any particular war, to honor those who serve. And I wholeheartedly agree. It’s important not to confuse “Support the Troops” with “Support the War.”

    You may recall that France opposed our involvement in Iraq, so when I returned from there, I was prepared for all manner of hostile reactions on my visit only two months afterward, based on ugly comments I’d received here about battery cables, rubber hoses, and lewd photos. But the French were uncommonly compassionate and hospitable, and finally, when, in a park, one woman and her daughter exclaimed, “We love Americans!” I couldn’t help myself. “Why???” I asked her, and began to describe all the ways they had treated me so well in spite of the fact…. She cut me off, saying, “We make a distinction — we know that the actions of your government do not always reflect the character of your people.” I was stunned, since so many Americans apparently haven’t learned the difference. We would do well to stop demonizing individuals based on their government’s policies and actions, whether it be a foreign government or our own.

  13. Volks253 says:

    Wow, tow the rightwing extremist view and wrap yourself in the flag or feel their wrath!
    Way to show your support for ‘freedom’ rightwingers!

  14. Roncella says:

    LCharm, You can’t support the troops and not support what they are trying to accomplish. How do you justify that in your thinking, how do you think that makes them feel about what their doing ??

    LCharm, France opposed our involvement in Iraq, big deal Like we needed France’s approval to do anything

    Yes Americans haven’t learned the difference they’re just stupid, Right LC ???

    LCharm, Did you approve of our involvement in World War two against Germany/Italy/Japan ?? If you did why ??

  15. LuckyCharm says:

    Ron, you do it by supporting organizations like IAVA, the USO, and IVAW. Troops in combat don’t care how you feel about what they’re doing, only that they will be treated with the respect and courtesy they deserve when they get back, and will have the resources they need to recover and reintegrate.

    My point about France was about how they treat former combatants in a war they may oppose, unlike how veterans are often treated by our own countrymen. You can support, welcome, and honor the troops without agreeing with the decisions of their commanders up the line.

    And, I wasn’t around during WWII, Ron, so I didn’t have an opinion.

  16. mattersnot1 says:

    Honoring those who have served or serve our country is not a one or two day event.
    The ones who fought for our freedom and those who have fought or are fighting to preserve that freedom are remembered and honored daily by those of us who appreciate their sacrifices.

  17. mattersnot1 says:

    Get over yourself. Your dragged out ‘self pity’ has really gotten boring.

  18. huffington says:

    Roncella, I seem to remember that many conservatives were against U.S. involvement in Bosnia and Kosovo back in the 90″s. Being how you consistently tow the party line, I’m guessing you were one of them. Does that mean that you did not support our troops then? No. It simply means you did not support the actions of our gov’t. It is possible to be against a war and still support our troops fighting it.

  19. Roncella says:

    When Congressmen and others who should know better, criticize an action where we have our servicemen fighting and dieing they are helping the enemy. How can you not see that ???

    When the enemy see’s the demonstraters and signs condeming the War on the Cable News Channels, that gives them hope that they are winning and they keep on fighting even harder.

    We all may not agree with all the decisions our Presidents make but when it comes to war and our troops fighting and dieing our soldiers need our full support.

  20. m9078jk3 says:

    I had an interesting experience.I just read on a forum about an aircrewman
    (tailgunner) who was just found (KIA) in Germany named Sgt Peter Newton Dudley who was shot down with the rest of his crew on Feb 14,1945.
    A few people pitched in and found out some more info about the recently discovered remains of the KIA crewman and the remains of the B-26.

    I just read the MACR (Missing Air Crew Report) 12352 for for 344th BG 497th BS 42-95914 “Shirley Ann” and this poor soul can finally be buried back home after 65 years.More about it below.


  21. Volks253 says:

    Why can’t you answer the question put to you ron?
    No cut and paste talking points?
    You ‘conservatives’ are as hypocritical as they get.

  22. USA!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!! usa!!

    There, that’ll tick off the libs, and obama.

  23. the3rdpigshouse says:

    When the U.S. military is asked to go into harms way it is done by the U.S. Congress and by both parties in that body!! It benefits noone but our enemies once that decision is made to express ridicule & doubts about the conflict publicly by attacking the government or the men & women who are asked to execute that decision! Those type of actions ONLY benefit the enemy and cause additional deaths within our ranks!

    The patriotic and most effective path is to support the government’s decision and particularly give the brave men & women who must execute that decision your support – the conflict will end sooner and our nation will suffer the loss of fewer of its most treasured resource!

    Thank You for your service Steve, from a fellow Viet Nam era serviceman.

  24. huffington says:

    “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.”
    ~Adolph Hitler

    “You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.”
    ~George Bush

    “I’m sorry, but I will not support lies in the name of patriotism.”

  25. I support our troops tomorrow as well as today. Pull out now, so in both cases they are blown apart.
    Bye the way the French were correct. Viva La France

  26. I typed abit too fast that time, the above should have read so they are NOT blown apart. pull out now.

  27. LuckyCharm says:

    3PH, please cite even one American death caused by the “enemy” being emboldened by anti-war sentiment here at home.

    The only stated enemy in our current wars is Al Qaeda, which has been driven from its base in Afghanistan. (It did have an offshoot spring up in Iraq after our invasion, ironically.) It is now operating mostly out of north Africa. But we’re not fighting there, and our opposition to the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan do not anger or embolden them one bit. In fact, I think they’re rather amused and smug, because their entire strategy was twofold: 1) to draw us into a prolonged war that would bleed us dry economically, and 2) to instill such a state of chronic fear that many of our systems would be virtually immobilized. We’re moving toward that now. When was the last time you could board a plane with a bottle of water?

    No, it’s not the opposition to the wars that fulfills their aims — it’s the wars themselves.

  28. LuckyCharm, you are precisely correct. It took me less than 3 minutes to find this November 2004 quote from Osama Bin Laden.

    ” We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah,” bin Laden said in the transcript.

    The extreme right are so preoccupied with militaristic patriotism and power, they ignore the health of our country overall.

  29. LuckyCharm says:

    And to add insult to injury, all the pious platitudes from the right about “supporting the troops,” when to them it’s nothing but a 3-day weekend and a chance to have a barbecue. Like one fellow veteran wrote tonight on our listserv, “And then your own family would rather go shopping than ask how you are!!! *&%^ all these holidays! Excuse my french!” Is it our opposition to the wars that emboldens the adversary, or the deep divisions within our society, and the knowledge that, no matter how much pain our troops might inflict on them, we’ll be reaping boatloads upon our return home? They don’t really even have to kill us, just keep us chasing them — we’re killing ourselves in record numbers as it is.

  30. beerBoy says:

    “Support our Troops” is a great slogan …….just how do all those flag-drapped, yellow ribbon decal toting folks do it?

    How about voting for Congress members who have a demonstrated record of supporting Vets instead of all that chest-thumping, sports chanting crud?

  31. Roncella says:

    Some very bitter American hating liberal posts on this three day holiday.

    beerBoy, as a liberal you are aware that most of the Democrats in Congress do not support our Miltary. The first thing in the budget that they could find to cut was Miltary spending.

    LCharm, You seem like such an unhappy soul. I suggested before you should consider moving to your beloved France. You could live in peace there and be happy and get way from the nasty U.S.A. , you don’t get second changes in life too often, LCharm you should act on your feelings and be happy.

    Thanks to all the Brave soldiers who gave their lifes, the supreme sacrafice, so America could stay strong and free, God Bless….

  32. beerBoy says:


    Veterans for Peace have listed several ways they are honoring Memorial Day.

    Ron – as a conservative you are aware that many Republicans don’t vote for funding for Veterans.

  33. Lucky Charm, youll never find the same treatment those of us who served during the early 1970s felt. Today its all rah rah rah for the troops.

    The public THIS TIME has fallen over itself backwards fussing and fawning over the troops, NOT in my opinion because they really care, but because they don’t want the guilt of treating the troops like crap this time.

    This whole yellow ribbon thing ( for the most part..there ARE those who are sincere) is just a band aid to relieve the guilt of last time.

    Its as if they think..”we’ll really do a great bang up job of “support” this time to make up for last time”.

    Just my honest opinion.

  34. I’m sure you’re on to something dcr.

    To say I support the troops but not their objective is pretty ridiculous. It’s like saying “I really respect YOU but I have no respect at all for what you do or what you stand for.” The first “respect” statement is cancelled out by the last.

    And Lucky, truly, your love affair with France is almost embarrassing. I mean I’m not generally a “Love it or Leave it” type, but clearly you found your real home there. Perhaps it IS time to think about a change.

    For the record, when the French citizen proclaimed love for Americans, your response reflected one of the things that saddens me most these days.
    You didn’t understand how it was possible, you asked why?

    Perhaps you, like the First Lady, had never been proud of America until that fateful day that her husband made his way to the front of the line?!

    These comments reflect an sorry state of affairs in the U.S.A. on a day that we are asked to remember the price so many paid that we might carry on.

  35. beerBoy says:

    Since WWI civilian deaths have vastly outnumbered those of our servicemen and women……..perhaps we should also remember the “collateral damage” of our wars on this Memorial Day.

    War U.S. Military Deaths Civilian Deaths

    Revolutionary 25,174 (unavailable)
    1812 20,000 (unavailable)
    Civil War 620,000 50,000
    WWI 116,516 6,458,886
    WWII 405,399 36,372,900*
    Korean 54,246 1,847,240
    Vietnam 58,177 2,000,000**
    Iraq 4,254 1,366,350
    Afghanistan 1,036 32,969

    TOTAL 1,304,802 48,128,345

    * Number includes the 9,000,000 that died in the Nazi concentration camps.

    ** The Vietnamese government in 1995 estimated that 2,000,000 Vietnamese civilians on both sides died in the war.

  36. beerBoy says:

    Sorry about the formatting on the previous post. If I knew it would truncate my spacing I would have done it differently

    After each war is listed US Military Deaths followed by Civilian Deaths.

  37. Volks253 says:

    I’ve said it before and it remains true,
    I’m glad I’m not a rightwinger.

  38. beerBoy says:

    sozo – the troops don’t decide to go to war – that is done by politicians. To say one has to support the politician’s decisions to go to war in order to support the troops is what is truly ridiculous.

  39. Pray4Peace says:

    How about we all just Pray For Peace then shut . . . . . . . up!

  40. Roncella says:

    beerBoy, Would you rather America stayed out of World War Two ?

    I guess we would all be speaking German now, right ?

    Volks253, I believe most conservatives who post here are just as glad as you are that you “Not A Conservative”.

  41. Volks253 says:

    Thanks for the talking points ron, I knew we could count on you for that.
    Now, grow up and stand on your own two feet like your father taught you to.

  42. LuckyCharm says:

    Yes, sozo, it was quite curious to me that my own fellow Americans, most of whom supported the war at that time (before all the lies started coming to light), could be so rude and dismissive (and still are, as we see right here), and yet I could visit a nation where most of the people opposed the war, yet received me like a long-lost friend. One incident remains unforgettable — I was browsing the bookstore in the Notre Dame de la Garde in Marseille, where I had shopped on my previous visit two years before. Since I already had most of the books that interested me from that trip, I spent quite a while combing the shelves looking for anything that might jump out at me. Finally, at the register, I mentioned that the reason I wasn’t getting more was that I’d already bought most of what I wanted the last time. The elderly lady asked where I was from, and I told her I was an American, in France to fulfill a promise I made to myself throughout my tour in Iraq. She asked if I was a soldier, and I said yes. Pausing a moment, she then said quietly, “You’ve been through a lot.” All I could do was nod silently as I paid and left. I sensed more understanding in that woman’s soul, knowing that she had most likely known the horrors of war on her own soil, than in any American who slapped me on the back and congratulated me on a job well done.

    It’s a grave mistake to assume that all those who serve in the military necessarily support all of its missions and actions. Some have joined up in a bygone era, naïvely believing our government would never send us into harm’s way unprepared and without a clear reason, and when the call came, decided to live up to their oath, come what may. Others get caught up in the “economic draft,” unable to find any other means of supporting their family. Many, having served one tour, are unable to fully reintegrate into civilian life, so they re-up to go back to what has become their “new normal.” So, it is not simply a matter of saying “I really respect YOU but I have no respect at all for what you do or what you stand for.” You can say, “I respect you, and your decision to serve our country, even if I don’t agree with the way our country is using you right now.” Because not all military members “stand for” everything that happens in war.

  43. Let me ask you this LC, what sort of army or navy would we have if every soldier and sailor got to decide if he/she “concurred” with the action?

    Do you presume that there were no soldiers in the European Theater who questioned whether we should have gone into that conflict?

    The Pacific theater was different; the Japanese made it pretty easy by committing a cowarldly sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, awaking the sleeping giant as they say.

    Self appointed media experts, armchair generals, and for that matter, armchair politicians like many who post here on these threads … people with very little knowledge but who think they have all the data needed…have made us a nation of cynics who presume the worst and generally don’t have a clue about what’s actually going on.

    I don’t even know how we manage to have an army at all. Between the cynicism and our generalized lack of respect for authority these days (just look at the teens if you doubt the observation)this country is coming apart from the inside out if you ask me,. Disunity and lack of respect for authority will be our undoing. Check back with me if I’m still alive in 20 years and see where we are then. If things have turned around, I will gladly eat my words.

  44. I wonder what country has been to war more than any other in the past 50 to 60 years?

  45. A321196 says:

    I hope all of you decide to get off you rumps tomorrow and go to a memorial service or at least place a flag at a memorial for the fallen.

  46. the3rdpigshouse says:

    LC & other leftist anti-American whack jobs – you disgust me!! Many of you are absolute frauds and only show up to see what chaos you can instill in others. Your posts are a reflection of your poor education and poor upbringing!!

  47. LuckyCharm says:

    sozo, your words here have a decidedly defeatist tone. While I won’t argue that it’s often tempting to adopt such a stance, it is hopefully a temporary lapse from which we eventually recover and regain the strength and courage to keep working for something better.

    And I’m not at all arguing that each and every servicemember agree completely with every single thing he or she is ordered to do. In fact, that was the thrust of my previous post — that oftentimes, we DON’T. But balancing the weight of our oath and commitment against the possibility of participating in a morally questionable action is usually best done in hindsight. At the time I deployed, none of us had even a tiny fraction of the information we have now about the Iraq war — heck, we didn’t even know for sure that’s where we were going! Our chaplain, a very devout and thoughtful man, admitted that even to him, a preemptive strike on a country that posed us no clear, imminent danger was questionable, but in the end he seemed to come down more on the side of shifting the moral responsibility to those calling the shots, and limiting ours to fulfilling our sworn promises to our nation.

    That’s why I say it’s more than possible to support a troop or “the troops” — who are often acting with limited knowledge and resources — and still not support the cause their country calls them to, to which they say yes based on their honor and commitment and not necessarily to their belief in that cause.

    And yes, I do agree that we should be more about honoring the fallen on this holiday than about barbecuing and sailing. I don’t know how to make that happen, though, on an overall scale.

    3PH…. no comment.

  48. I do not feel defeated LC but I AM weary.

    Have you read the comments of former CO Gov. Dick Lamm-D on how America can and will commit suicide? The link here is from one of the sites that checked it out, like Snopes did, for validity.


    Interesting coming from one who was viewed as a liberal.

  49. In view of 3ph’s incredible opinion on your comments, I’d like you to know that I appreciate the knowledge and insight you share here. I also appreciate the research you do and the references that you most often provide before posting comments. Assuming that we as readers here, have not become political or ideological stooges, there is an opportunity for those of us who are less politically astute, to learn from people such as yourself, regardless of which side of the political spectrum your comments, or another’s comments, favor.

    Thanks also, for your service to our country.

  50. My previous comment should have been addressed to Lucky Charm.

  51. LuckyCharm says:

    Thank you so much, cirrus, for your kind comments. I wanted to respond via private message, but this new system doesn’t allow that. I wish you a meaningful Memorial Day.

    sozo, is former Gov. Lamm now your ultimate authority on multiculturalism? He cites Canada (presumably referring to its disputes with Québecois secessionists), among other nations. What he fails to mention is that French settlers colonized Québec first, and the rest of Canada grew up around that. To characterize Québec as some kind of unwelcome interloper is really to turn history upside-down — kind of like what we do with our Native American and Mexican populations.

    Also, his premise that multiculturalism leads inexorably to national “suicide” is disproved easily by a single example: Switzerland, which has existed comfortably with French, German, and Italian languages and cultural influences for centuries. Today, Switzerland is known for its stable banking sector and boasts 89 PC’s per 100 citizens. It “is in the top 10 for the highest R&D expenditure, indicating a strong innovation-based economy,” and is in the top 10 in terms of “number of doctors and nurses per capita.” Also, perhaps even more significantly:

    “Terror and political violence are essentially non-existent, and there have been no casualties due to civil or war or ethnic violence. The Swiss also enjoy very high levels of personal security. The homicide rate is very low, with only two deaths per 100,000 people per year.* A low 14% of respondents reported having personal or household property stolen, and only 3% reported that they were victims of an assault or mugging.* Overall, 80% of Swiss citizens report feeling safe walking alone at night.*”

    Hardly the picture, I would say, of a country in the throes of national suicide. Interestingly enough, “Switzerland is not a highly religious country, as only 44% of the population feels that religion is important in daily life.”

    You, who claim to be so “educated” and objective, should be the last to swallow such pap delivered by a former state governor to a partisan “immigration-overpopulation conference” (sponsor unnamed) six years ago.

    Facts are your friends — really they are.

  52. pazzo242 says:

    Steve–thanks for your service and I was there also, Task Force 14 on PBR’s in the Delta–12/69 to 01/71. Had some wild times, just like you, I’m sure.

    There is no doubt that BeerBoy was out of line with his comments but I will have to agree with this one point (I usually don’t agree with anything he writes)–Memorial Day is for those who were killed in action, not for us who survived. I lost 3 good friends on the Delta and I am honoring them today. I expect nothing and live today because of their sacrafice.

    For the orginal letter writer that sparked this letter by Steve I will only say that you are terribly misguided and hope someday you will see your error. We who fought for what we thought was right and just; forgive your pathetic narrow mind and hope you understand how important this day is for us who continue to live with those memories. I think of my buddies pretty routinely and it’s always the good times we spent together.

    Oh, for those who do not know what the “Delta” is, it is the Mekong River Delta. We were called “Brown Water Navy” or “Mekong River Yacht Club” (just for fun). To know what a PBR is, watch the movie Apocalypse Now. The movie was hokie but gives you an idea of what we did.

  53. Roncella says:

    cirrus, Don’t be so gullible, do your own research. LCharms sources are all from very Progressive/Liberal/Socialistic groups or blogs.

    LCharm beliefs are very far left and extremely Liberal. Thats fine with me, just realize that when you read her references or opinions.

    God Bless all the Troops who gave their lifes for all of us to live in Peace. Thank You ……

  54. “Research” ??? ROFLMAO!

  55. Volks253 says:

    Yes unless it comes from a very far right/conservative/rightiest/fascist group o blog it can’t possibly be true or accurate.
    One must always tow the party line, the GOP party.
    Not marching in lock step with the far right extremists may result in being placed in consintration camps someday and they are keeping track.
    The revolution is coming!

    Right ron?

  56. As usual LC, you have made a gigantic leap of presumption. I said absolutely nothing to suggest that Gov Lamm was my hero (hardly!) or an authority on multiculturalism. I simply asked if you’d read his commentary. Period. Are you interested in real dialogue or just interested in winning your argument?

    That said, if Switzerland is in fact your utopia, we probably will never look at the world through a common lens. I also wonder what your precious Europe would be like today were it not for stopping Adolph Hitler. Thank God for the men and women who joined others in stopping his utopian dream.

    I would like to see the U.S. reclaim the values and principles that made her great. This is in no way a blind patriotism, as I give thanks for those things about our society that have been made right, such as the abolition of slavery, the elevation of women to their rightful place alongside men…things that have happened BECAUSE of the kind of society we are, not despite it.

    I will say without apology, that I am sick to death of those of you who let slip your disdain for this country virtually every time you speak…just as Michelle Obama did the day she spoke her true feelings about America.

    Today I give thanks for every single person who lost his/her life to preserve our liberties and to preserve what is, in my opinion, the best place, flaws and all, that anyone could hope to live out their earthly life.

    As for Switzerland being a-religious, that’s their loss, and nothing to boast about When you value the wisdom of man over the wisdom of God, it’s your choice. Folly in my opinion, but ultimately a fool’s decision.

  57. She’s a real strawman bully…

  58. Wasn’t Switzerland complicit with the extermination of Jews???

  59. Volks253 says:

    “Wasn’t Switzerland complicit with the extermination of Jews???”

    No, but the Vatican sure was.

  60. LuckyCharm says:

    sozo, I never said anything about “hero,” I said “authority on multiculturalism.” And I never said “utopia,” only provided evidence to disprove Gov. Lamm’s premise that multiculturalism, ethnic diversity, and tolerance lead inexorably to national destruction. Unlike Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and their followers, I can recognize what works in a given place or situation without declaring that place ideal in all respects. I can also appreciate and care for a country, a group, or an institution without pretending it is flawless. The world is not black and white to me, and every person, body, and institution has its good and bad points. Even China is to be admired for its ability to sense and capitalize on market trends — it doesn’t mean I’d want to go work in their sweatshops.

  61. Wow ij….quite a stretch there to get a Holocaust reference..

    Speaking of…….Nothing quite like the IDF invading 5 ships in international waters and killing 10 to rouse your Israel sympathies! Imagine that! people on ships having the audacity to try to defend themselves with knives and axes from fully armed invaders – the poor IDF had to defend themselves…..

  62. “A stretch” B? (no, that would be your hackneyed posting of the IDF incident)… Somebody was bragging up Switzerland and since we know “Facts are your friends” it seemed appropriate to point it out…

    while we’re on the Switerland subtopic… what is Switerland known as being a safe haven for? Hiding money? Pedophiles? How much of the estimated $3.9 billion (in todays value) that the Swiss stole from the Jews after the war has been returned?

  63. Beerboy is correct as usual. From the US Department of Veterans Affairs website: Memorial Day, which is observed on the last Monday of May, commemorates the men and women who DIED while in the military service. (Emphasis mine)
    All the letter writer was saying on 5-27 was to please not glorify war because anyone with half a brain knows that it means everything objectionable we have seen in Iraq and elsewhere. Honoring those who served and those who died is in no way diminished by those who also abhor war. It simply means we understand there is more to patriotism than simple flag waving.

  64. LuckyCharm says:

    Thanks for proving my point, jim. Nobody’s holding Switzerland out as a model to be emulated in every respect — only using it as an example of an economically vibrant, vital nation that embraces multiculturalism. In other words, disproving the theory that diversity inevitably leads to societal decay.

  65. LC, you are confusing them with facts and you know they cannot handle that. Don’t give up, but don’t expect any sort of understanding either.

  66. Roncella says:

    Some of the Liberal/Progressives who post here are way off topic. They sound like a bunch of self-righteous Socialists snobs.

    Lets get back to the letter writters original comments. Lets honor the fallen Soldiers who have given their lifes for their Families/Country.

    Maybe some who post here could find a little pride in their Country” today”, do it for the Soldiers who lost their lifes for America.

  67. Liberals should all thank the military as well, because without the best military in the universe, they would not have the freedom to be liberal and hate this country as they do. There would be no railing for them to do because the entire world would be enslaved. Their mission would be complete.

  68. Anybody catch the presidents memorial day address plan B? That was sumthin.

  69. ” economically vibrant ” … and what they stole from the Jews while Hitler was killing the Jews had nothing to do w/that? Kooky…

  70. Steve, Thanks for your service, it’s possible that I was a passenger in your Huey, I see a lot of comments coming from some who wouldn’t know a Huey from a Loch or a Bell H-13. One in particular should be taken with a grain of salt, I won’t mention her name but it starts with “L.C. She’s all over the map with her comments as usual, she claims to be retired Army but talks as if she right out of an re-education camp in Hanoi. Publico and beerboy wouldn’t know a Fleshette round from a HEAT round their comments are also nebulous at best and as reliable as a “Jesus’ bolt on a AH-1.

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