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IMMIGRATION: No new illegal alien laws

Letter by Edward A. Starbird, Steilacoom on May 4, 2010 at 4:44 pm with 25 Comments »
May 4, 2010 4:44 pm

Do NOT create any new illegal alien laws until all such existing laws have been fully enforced and clearly work.

If as is obvious, our government isn’t willing to do that, then new laws wont work either. And the media should quit the spinning and tell the truth.

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  1. possum1 says:

    Oh, you will see some action on this !

    Right before the 2012 elections !

  2. AZ’s law just reiniforced what Federal Law requires, if you’re here legally as an immigrant, you carry your documents on your person. If you’re here legally, you have nothing to worry about. We do need to enforce what’s already on the books.

    I hope this is a wake up call for the Feds for something they’ve ignored for way too long.

  3. beerBoy says:

    So…..by this logic…..should states pass laws to enforce gun control laws?

  4. the3rdpigshouse says:

    Illegal immigration is a national issue lowering the standard of living for all Americans – the feds must fix the problem by closing the border or the States will have to do the job for them!!!!

  5. hansgruber says:

    Arizona Govenor Jan Brewer said. “Our law mirrors federal law. So, why is it bad for Arizona to mirror federal law? No one was crying out in the wilderness about the federal law being wrong or racial profiling. I don’t get it. It’s spin.”

    Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2010/04/30/20100430arizona-immigration-law-governor-signs-revised-bill.html#ixzz0n48gHZ24

    Just ask yourself this,

    If the Arizona law mirrors the Federal law, why did Arizona pass this law?

    Why doesn’t the Obama Admin enforce the immigration law? Why hasn’t President Obama’s auntie been deported yet?

    You know, Zeituni Onyango, the half-sister of Obama’s late father, moved to the United States in 2000. Her first asylum request was rejected, and she was ordered deported in 2004. But she didn’t leave the country and continued to live in public housing. She is still living in Boston today in 2010.

  6. beerBoy says:

    pig – any fact-based evidence to support your contention that illegal immigration lowers the standard of living for all Americans?

  7. Roncella says:

    Arizona has to finish building the walls and re-inforcing them across their entire border. Once the walls are completed then the job of finding out who is there legally and who is there illegally can begin.

    The Govenor of Arizona has showed alot of courage in standing up to the demostraters and Al Sharpton and other trouble makers, I would like to know how many of the Mexicans demonstrating are illegal.

    beerBoy, all the addtional funds being given to support illegal Mexicans in their health care, schooling, housing, food assistance on and on is being paid for by the Tax payers in the states the illegals are living and working in.

    This is a huge drain on all the taxpayers in those states. California is bankrupt from it, and its taking a toll on all the southwest states economies.
    I would say thats just one way its lowing all our standard of living, wouldn’t you ?

  8. By Beerboy’s logic, states should not enforce gun control laws and neither should the feds. If a driver gets pulled over and the cops have reasonable suspicion there is a conceiled weapon, they should not be allowed to investigate…

  9. beerBoy says:

    ij – nice attempt at spinning the meaning of my post but it is a spit ball rather than a curve.

    If the argument against new gun control laws (that we should enforce the laws that are already on the books) is valid then it should hold for immigration laws – and thus there is no need for the AZ law.

  10. beerBoy says:

    ron……show me the numbers of a true cost/benefit analysis.

    I remember when they shut down that Kosher beef packing plant in Iowa and the citizens of the small town complained that their legal economy was hurt by the loss of illegal jobs creating a loss of income for legitimate businesses. Clearly there are some benefits to this illegal trade.

  11. beerBoy says:

    Bush’s proposal for a guest worker program (which cost him a lot of support from the right) demonstrated that, from a strict business ledger approach, there are benefits to having cheap labor imported from other countries.

    When making statements as to the costs of undocumented labor you must consider the benefits in order to make a fully informed and honest appraisal.

  12. Beerboy, I happy to know the next time more restrictive laws pertaining to the right to bear arms are proposed you will stand with us in opposition.

  13. mattersnot1 says:

    Actually, what federal gun control Bills are you talking about?

  14. larsman says:

    So, if one (person, city, country) allows continued expansion of profits based on illegal origin, that’s o.k. with you bB? Benefits of illegal trade? Would you describe that attitude as more “rule-of-law” or moral-relativistic”(situation ‘ethics’) and could that continue unabated until it would cross Your front door?

  15. beerBoy says:

    larsman – read up thread to see that my response was to 3rdpigshouse’s claim that illegal immigration is lowering the standard of living of all Americans.

    I asked for evidence to support his claim.

    Others piped in with statements of costs. I responded with evidence of benefits.

    Try to not read more into my statements than were written.

  16. difficulty with comment

  17. the new format has prevented me from commenting for a few days. I see there’s nothing new under the sun at the trib

  18. beerBoy says:

    Turns out that the author of AZ’s law is the lawyer for a hate group being monitored by the SPLA. And….the legislator who proposed it has posed for pictures with a leader of a neo-Nazi group.



  19. Roncella says:

    beerBoy, I don’t have the numbers to show you on what cost illegals are adding to American taxpayers. When you consider that they are getting medical, food cards, schooling, shelter, so much more, who do you think is paying for all that.

    California no doubt has the most illegal Mexicans, and its bankrupt.
    A long time parish in the Chicago area had to close its Catholic school and stop most of its assistance to its members because of a flood of Mexicans into it. This is happening all over the big metro Areas in the Mid-west and east.

    beerBoy, Just how many illegal Mexicans do you think America can take before the whole Country is bankrupt ?

  20. beerBoy says:

    Ron……oh please…..California’s problems stem from the illegal activities of corporations that bilked the state – not from fruit pickers.

  21. Roncella says:

    beerBoy, How about answering my question, how many illegal Mexicans should be allowed to enter America illegally.

    Those fruit pickers as you describe them, especially when they bring their families with them are costing Calif, New Mexico, Texas, Arizona, Florida, and other states millions of dollars and those state budgets are reflecting that for all to see.

  22. beerBoy says:

    Again…..citations to support your claims?

  23. Beerboy, interesting links (no bias of course ;) )
    One of the photos looks photoshop-ed (I wonder why the lame stream media hasn’t picked it up?)

    I do find it very interesting how B is suddenly concerned about “connections” considering the “connections” associated with Barry and Co.

    (selective outrage?)

  24. the3rdpigshouse says:

    bB – just FYI summaries from a GAO report

    FAIR research suggests that “between 40 and 50 percent of wage-loss among low-skilled Americans is due to the immigration of low-skilled workers. Some native workers lose not just wages but their jobs through immigrant competition. An estimated 1,880,000 American workers are displaced from their jobs every year by immigration; the cost for providing welfare and assistance to these Americans is over $15 billion a year.”

    Immigration is a net drain on the economy; corporate interests reap the benefits of cheap labor, while taxpayers pay the infrastructural cost.

    80% of cocaine and 50% of heroin in the U.S. is smuggled across the border by Mexican nationals.

    Our Congressional wimps and that mistake occupying the White House need to fix the problem or find other work!!!!

  25. Roncella says:

    The3rdPigsHouse, Lets not give too many facts here, to most liberals, facts are only used when they back up “their arguments”.

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