Could it be possible that the recording is accurate? Yes. Can I make an informed opinion? No. I just say these things are possible. As you stated, admitting the obvious is like swallowing a bitter pill. Some will go ahead and swallow it, others will not.

I do have to say, the manifesto is interesting. I recommend reading it, will give you his side of the story / motives. Seems to be a lot more than a gripe.

I don’t think Dorner allegedly will rot, it appears he was burned to a crisp.

When you’re on the inside of a police incident (or for that matter, any type of significant incident), you see and hear the flow of communications first hand. Things usually progress from pre-established doctrine, and what happened in the mountains east of LA seems to be straight from the SWAT script. When the media sifts through commications after the fact, their excerpts might be from cops (or other emergency responders) far from the scene. That type of jocularity is unprofessional, of course, but while it does happen it is very uncommon. That would be my assumption in this case because SWAT frequencies often skip around, are purposefully scrambled or are extremely localized. Getting “inside the bubble” to find out what happened is often very difficult. Again, my experience tells me that it went according to plan.

However, the cabin did burn down, so maybe the plan needs to be updated.

As for the manifesto, I honestly don’t have time to read it in its entirety. Let’s face it, if you were to ask any cop if their chain of command is royally screwed up you will typically get the following answer: Hell yes. Anytime you throw a bunch of Type A personalities together, add in fractious work rules and some no-win enforcement scenarios, things are gonna get testy.

So what. No workplace gripe exists that justifies violence, especially murder. For his alleged crimes, I hope Dorner allegdly rots.

As for Dorner being a “Rogue Cop”, I would have to say one would have to be a cop at the time, his actions were straight up criminal.

If there was anything Rogue, I would have to say it was the cops, who were not identifying targets and shooting at people in their cars. Or maybe when they said it was tear gas or CS that started the fire. Then Smokey984 link appears to say otherwise.

However (of course there is a “however”), police training has always taken this factor into account. Repetitive training for critical situations can cancel out instinctual responses (Indexing, the term used for holding one’s trigger finger alongside the barrel until the decision to fire is made, is a good example).

The human factor – which includes fear, anger and all the other emotions that can alter our behavior – is a part of our programming. So is the ability to train ourselves out of bad habits and into more professional ones.

While the scanner audio may contain very unfortunate and unprofessional conversations, that absolutely does not mean the police action was carried out in that manner. Assuming that would be equally as unfair as prohibiting someone their right to a fair trial.

If mistakes were made during Dorner’s standoff, either accidentally or purposefully, let’s air those out and deal with them at the appropriate time.

First, we need to bury our dead.